cowboycwr said:

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I thought 47 was a preacher???

So he does not believe god created everything?

What kind of preacher is he?

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A false preacher.

He is the fulfillment of the prophecy in Matthew 24:
4 Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Messiah,' and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.


and again in 2 Peter 2:
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought thembringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

And in 1 John 4 we see how to recognize the false teachers like Waco47 (bold added by me)

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

Waco47 clearly speaks with the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to him. He is constantly trying to pull people away from the clear message of the Bible, and is trying to lead people away from faith in God.

His words sound good and enticing to those who are in love with modern culture and the desires of the flesh. He is opposed to the teachings of the Bible, which is why he leans upon the modern interpretations of "science" to disprove the Bible.

cowboycwr said:

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cowboycwr said:

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I thought 47 was a preacher???

So he does not believe god created everything?

What kind of preacher is he?

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He is a good hearted individual that is now misguided due to a very tragic incident that happened during his ministry. It is his story to share, so I won't.

Sadly, this incident has misshaped his beliefs to a version of the false Process theology.

I pray for him every night.

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So he is a former preacher? Like he had something tragic happened that turned him into a non believer?

I don't need details just I don't follow how he is a preacher but doesn't believe God created everything.

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He still preaches; however, I believe that he does not have a regular home church where his is the head pastor of record.

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cowboycwr said:

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Coke Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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I thought 47 was a preacher???

So he does not believe god created everything?

What kind of preacher is he?

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He is a good hearted individual that is now misguided due to a very tragic incident that happened during his ministry. It is his story to share, so I won't.

Sadly, this incident has misshaped his beliefs to a version of the false Process theology.

I pray for him every night.

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So he is a former preacher? Like he had something tragic happened that turned him into a non believer?

I don't need details just I don't follow how he is a preacher but doesn't believe God created everything.

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He still preaches; however, I believe that he does not have a regular home church where his is the head pastor of record.

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So Waco is the B-Fans version of Hillary?

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Coke Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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I thought 47 was a preacher???

So he does not believe god created everything?

What kind of preacher is he?

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He is a good hearted individual that is now misguided due to a very tragic incident that happened during his ministry. It is his story to share, so I won't.

Sadly, this incident has misshaped his beliefs to a version of the false Process theology.

I pray for him every night.

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So he is a former preacher? Like he had something tragic happened that turned him into a non believer?

I don't need details just I don't follow how he is a preacher but doesn't believe God created everything.

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He still preaches; however, I believe that he does not have a regular home church where his is the head pastor of record.

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I don't know his story but it seems he needs to stop preaching if he is not a believer.

To me he has become a fake preacher and I have called him out on that many times.

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

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Where is your proof?

I'll make it easy for you. There is no proof so, where is your evidence?

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My proof is the witness of faith in the OT and the NT.

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cowboycwr said:

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I thought 47 was a preacher???

So he does not believe god created everything?

What kind of preacher is he?

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He is a good hearted individual that is now misguided due to a very tragic incident that happened during his ministry. It is his story to share, so I won't.

Sadly, this incident has misshaped his beliefs to a version of the false Process theology.

I pray for him every night.

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So he is a former preacher? Like he had something tragic happened that turned him into a non believer?

I don't need details just I don't follow how he is a preacher but doesn't believe God created everything.

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He still preaches; however, I believe that he does not have a regular. home church where his is the head pastor of record.

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I am retired and preach occasionally. Sometimes I take assignments of a month or two.

i will go out on a limb and say God can do anything He wants when He wants...so there is that

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cowboycwr said:

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I thought 47 was a preacher???

So he does not believe god created everything?

What kind of preacher is he?

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A false preacher.

He is the fulfillment of the prophecy in Matthew 24:
4 Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Messiah,' and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.


and again in 2 Peter 2:
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought thembringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

And in 1 John 4 we see how to recognize the false teachers like Waco47 (bold added by me)

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

Waco47 clearly speaks with the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to him. He is constantly trying to pull people away from the clear message of the Bible, and is trying to lead people away from faith in God.

His words sound good and enticing to those who are in love with modern culture and the desires of the flesh. He is opposed to the teachings of the Bible, which is why he leans upon the modern interpretations of "science" to disprove the Bible.

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Shooter as a Christian and pastor you have no authority over me to declare me a false prophet.
Falseness is all dependent on where one stands. You stand in a traditionalist theology so you see progressives as false. I am a progressive and cannot know if you are a false prophet but I assume you believe Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior and so do I. You're not false but I would challenge your theology but not your faith. I ask the same of you.

Always interesting to see you guys attack me and not my theology. I attack your theology not your person or your faith
As a Christian and pastor you have no authority over me to declare me a false prophet.
Falseness is all dependent on where one stands. You stand in a traditionalist theology so you see progressives as false. I am a progressive and cannot know if you are a false prophet but I assume you believe Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior and so do I. You're not false but I would challenge your theology but not your faith. I ask the same of you.

cowboycwr said:

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Coke Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Coke Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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I thought 47 was a preacher???

So he does not believe god created everything?

What kind of preacher is he?

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He is a good hearted individual that is now misguided due to a very tragic incident that happened during his ministry. It is his story to share, so I won't.

Sadly, this incident has misshaped his beliefs to a version of the false Process theology.

I pray for him every night.

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So he is a former preacher? Like he had something tragic happened that turned him into a non believer?

I don't need details just I don't follow how he is a preacher but doesn't believe God created everything.

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He still preaches; however, I believe that he does not have a regular home church where his is the head pastor of record.

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I don't know his story but it seems he needs to stop preaching if he is not a believer.

To me he has become a fake preacher and I have called him out on that many times.

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As a Christian and pastor you have no authority over me to declare me a false prophet.
Falseness is all dependent on where one stands. You stand in a traditionalist theology so you see progressives as false. I am a progressive and cannot know if you are a false prophet but I assume you believe Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior and so do I. You're not false but I would challenge your theology but not your faith. I ask the same of you.

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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God as understood as able to overcome physics, chemistry or biology is indeed nonsensical to science, to secular people and Christians.
Christian's of deep faith cannot abide a God is love and allows the innocent to suffer. No theodicy can assuage them.

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Waco is not a Christian.
He is a blasphemous, false teacher.

His purpose is to foster doubt and confusion. To lead people away from faith in God.

Best to have nothing to do with him.

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If his purpose is to foster doubt and confusion (probably not his purpose in his mind, but I digress) all the more reason to engage him with clarity and order.

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Thank you

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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God created a Hurricane and can't stop it?

There's your .005

Glad I could help

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You beg the question. Can God create a hurricane? The answer is not "The Bible says so." Science says no.God cannot.

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So is your faith in what science says this week or, in what God has always said?

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Physics, chemistry and biology are the stuff of the universe. Gravity is gravity to the ends of the universe and to time. That's eternal. Pure science in and of itself is eternal and our human understanding of it may change this week but the stuff of science does not change.
God is also eternal. Like gravity God as unconditional love was present at the start of the universe and is present now and eternally. Neither science nor God's can be denied.

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Waco1947 said:

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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every earthly hurricane has always stopped before, even Ian.

Your next topic should be about how you think God's timing sucks.

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Every hurricane stops but God does control the stopping. If you believe otherwise prove.

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Only a fool thinks science can explain everything that happens in the universe.

Jesus spoke to the storm and it stopped.

God parted the Red Sea.

and, ahem…

God created the Heavens and the Earth

But OP doesn't believe the Bible, because he is his own god.

Here is more from the Almighty:



Job 38

Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:

2 "Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?
8 "Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, 'This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt'?
12 "Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
16 "Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 "What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
22 "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
26 to water a land where no one lives,
an uninhabited desert,
27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31 "Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades?
Can you loosen Orion's Belt?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons
or lead out the Bear with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God's dominion over the earth?
34 "Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, 'Here we are'?
36 Who gives the ibis wisdom
or gives the rooster understanding?
37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
39 "Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?

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This does not prove God has the power. It is simply a belief statement not grounded in science. Hurricanes are science pure and simple.
One does not look in a science book for Job and the possible origins of hurricanes. One goes to the Horn of Africa and looks for plausible scientific evidence.

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edited and you are correct, one doesnt look in science books to explain Gods power.

Another answer from Silence.. there is no proof God has the power in science so he doesnt.

If science can not measure Gods power then science is not the right source for answering this question.

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Why should science measure God's power.
We measure God's power by faith at work in us. That's our discipleship

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Waco1947 said:

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

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But "spirituality" is an impossibility, according to your logic, unless of course by spirituality you merely mean one's emotions instead of the spirituality described in scripture. Spirituality, as described by Jesus and his apostles, requires belief in a actual spirit or soul - a supernatural being or presence that exists in each of us. That is the spirt described in scripture.

If, on the other hand, you are referring to the seat of one's emotions when you use the word "spirituality," well you're merely taking about feeling and emotions, not spirituality as described in scripture. You are talking about Jesus as an idea or belief we should strive to emulate, not an actual being that is alive today (outside of our minds, anyway).

And let's be honest - that it the Jesus you believe in - an idea we should strive to emulate, not an actual person as described in scripture who existed, and continues to exist, in the spirit world. For you, Jesus is merely a belief, and you can claim he is "alive" as long as the idea of Jesus is alive, but you don't actually subscribe to what scripture actually says about him - that he lived, died for our sins, rose again, performed miracles, and physically exists in spirit form today.

I am sure you will take great issue with what I am saying, because you use enough Christian code words to try and make others - and perhaps even yourself - believe you are actually "Christian" in your views. You attempt to use enough of Christian vernacular to keep others guessing, but let's be honest - the only way a "God" exists is if the supernatural exists. God is not merely an idea or thought, as you would make him. Scripture is clear he is not only alive as an idea in our minds, but an actual physical presence. That you don't believe.

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Your first premise "spirituality according to you means one's emotion." You put the words in my mouth. By love I mean love on the cross in all it's suffering and dehumanizing Way's. Love is more than "mere emotions ". I have consistently made this point. You others consistently disparage your supposed definition of what I mean by love.
I Corinthians 13 has a great definition of love and it is that love I try to live out. Love is also the power of God in our lives. My proof of God's love is the overwhelming witness of Scripture and the faith at work in love I see in disciple of Jesus who are all around me.
So stop trying to tell me what I believe but listen to what actually say.

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

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You are so big on proof and evidence, so where is your proof and evidence for the bolded statement above?

Only an idiot tries to use rules that are based upon the created world, to prove or disprove the one who created it all.

The other day, my kids and I made a pizza. Can you use that pizza to prove or disprove my existence? Or maybe use the laws of cooking to prove or disprove my existence? This is how futile and stupid it is to try and explain the Creator of the universe, by using the "laws of nature" or natural science.

God is above and beyond the natural world. You cannot use the restraints of the natural world to prove or disprove God.

Another example: Use the laws of science to prove or disprove the existence of love. Good luck with that.

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yes, I am big on evidence. If one says "God can overcome physics" then ought to be able to defend it.
I can defend "God is love" and "the first greatest commandment to love." I defend these easily.
Can you defend God overcomes physics

Waco47 -

I'm not sure if you saw my questions to you, so I'll repost them.

What is your definition of God?
What are His attributes?
How did you come about this theology?

If I have ever attacked you personally, then I certainly apologize. That is never my goal. I merely wish to discuss theology or philosophy.

Waco: "you have no authority "

If what I say is true, yes I do.

As a minister you know that.

Waco: "I defend these easily."

No, you don't "defend" anything. You throw vague words and hide from serious debate.

You are dishonest and a poor sophist, and by no means have you established even a single point of your claims.

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

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You are so big on proof and evidence, so where is your proof and evidence for the bolded statement above?

Only an idiot tries to use rules that are based upon the created world, to prove or disprove the one who created it all.

The other day, my kids and I made a pizza. Can you use that pizza to prove or disprove my existence? Or maybe use the laws of cooking to prove or disprove my existence? This is how futile and stupid it is to try and explain the Creator of the universe, by using the "laws of nature" or natural science.

God is above and beyond the natural world. You cannot use the restraints of the natural world to prove or disprove God.

Another example: Use the laws of science to prove or disprove the existence of love. Good luck with that.

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yes, I am big on evidence. If one says "God can overcome physics" then ought to be able to defend it.
I can defend "God is love" and "the first greatest commandment to love." I defend these easily.
Can you defend God overcomes physics

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No, you can't defend "God is love" because someone else can claim "God isn't love, Buddha is" and you can't prove him wrong.

Neither can you defend "the first greatest commandment to love" because you got that from the bible, and you deny the bible as recording actual historical events, so you can't defend that statement as having ever been made.

If you are so big on evidence, why do you claim to have free will, but can't prove it, by explaining how you are able to move the molecules in your brain according to your choice, rather than it being controlled by physics? You have repeatedly avoided this question many, many times. Since you can't and won't answer it, you are in no position to claim that God can't overcome physics. If you can do it, why can't He?

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

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Where is your proof?

I'll make it easy for you. There is no proof so, where is your evidence?

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My proof is the witness of faith in the OT and the NT.

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Word salad. No meat.

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

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You are so big on proof and evidence, so where is your proof and evidence for the bolded statement above?

Only an idiot tries to use rules that are based upon the created world, to prove or disprove the one who created it all.

The other day, my kids and I made a pizza. Can you use that pizza to prove or disprove my existence? Or maybe use the laws of cooking to prove or disprove my existence? This is how futile and stupid it is to try and explain the Creator of the universe, by using the "laws of nature" or natural science.

God is above and beyond the natural world. You cannot use the restraints of the natural world to prove or disprove God.

Another example: Use the laws of science to prove or disprove the existence of love. Good luck with that.

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yes, I am big on evidence. If one says "God can overcome physics" then ought to be able to defend it.
I can defend "God is love" and "the first greatest commandment to love." I defend these easily.
Can you defend God overcomes physics

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No, you can't defend "God is love" because someone else can claim "God isn't love, Buddha is" and you can't prove him wrong.

Neither can you defend "the first greatest commandment to love" because you got that from the bible, and you deny the bible as recording actual historical events, so you can't defend that statement as having ever been made.

If you are so big on evidence, why do you claim to have free will, but can't prove it, by explaining how you are able to move the molecules in your brain according to your choice, rather than it being controlled by physics? You have repeatedly avoided this question many, many times. Since you can't and won't answer it, you are in no position to claim that God can't overcome physics. If you can do it, why can't He?

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My parameters were holy scripture not Buddhistism. Let them defend their faith. I defend the God as last v the n th scriptures. Do you understand?

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

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You are so big on proof and evidence, so where is your proof and evidence for the bolded statement above?

Only an idiot tries to use rules that are based upon the created world, to prove or disprove the one who created it all.

The other day, my kids and I made a pizza. Can you use that pizza to prove or disprove my existence? Or maybe use the laws of cooking to prove or disprove my existence? This is how futile and stupid it is to try and explain the Creator of the universe, by using the "laws of nature" or natural science.

God is above and beyond the natural world. You cannot use the restraints of the natural world to prove or disprove God.

Another example: Use the laws of science to prove or disprove the existence of love. Good luck with that.

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yes, I am big on evidence. If one says "God can overcome physics" then ought to be able to defend it.
I can defend "God is love" and "the first greatest commandment to love." I defend these easily.
Can you defend God overcomes physics

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No, you can't defend "God is love" because someone else can claim "God isn't love, Buddha is" and you can't prove him wrong.

Neither can you defend "the first greatest commandment to love" because you got that from the bible, and you deny the bible as recording actual historical events, so you can't defend that statement as having ever been made.

If you are so big on evidence, why do you claim to have free will, but can't prove it, by explaining how you are able to move the molecules in your brain according to your choice, rather than it being controlled by physics? You have repeatedly avoided this question many, many times. Since you can't and won't answer it, you are in no position to claim that God can't overcome physics. If you can do it, why can't He?

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My parameters were holy scripture not Buddhistism. Let them defend their faith. I defend the God as last v the n th scriptures. Do you understand?

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Here you go again.
You claim that your theology is based upon the scripture, yet you deny entire sections of biblically based theology.
The Bible says that "God is love"... and you agree with it so it must be true. The Bible also says that "God is all powerful" and you declare it to be false.
You have placed yourself in authority over scripture, and yet you claim your beliefs come from scripture.
This is text book false theology and false teaching.
I do not claim authority over you, the Bible has that authority and it is by the scriptures that you are found to be false.

One cannot claim to follow Christ and yet also claim that God is lying about Himself. These are mutually exclusive.

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Shooter as a Christian and pastor you have no authority over me to declare me a false prophet.
Falseness is all dependent on where one stands. You stand in a traditionalist theology so you see progressives as false. I am a progressive and cannot know if you are a false prophet but I assume you believe Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior and so do I. You're not false but I would challenge your theology but not your faith. I ask the same of you.

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Falseness is NOT dependent on "where one stands". There is such a thing as truth.

As I stated in another post, I am not the authority that declares you to be a false prophet or false teacher... that authority is the scripture itself. You don't have a problem with me, you have a problem with God and the Bible.

I am very sad for you personally, and I hope that you will turn away from these false theologies. Until you do, I will continue to confront these attempts to deceive and lead others away from God. I am sure you have some kind of faith in something, but it is not the God of the Bible and it is certainly not the Jesus of the Bible. It isn't possible to believe in Jesus, and then call him a liar when he says that "all authority over heaven and earth has been given to me". That statement includes hurricanes.. or maybe Jesus is only able to calm a smaller storm on the waters, but not a category 5 hurricane? When you deny that God is all powerful, then you are calling God a liar. I'm very sorry for you, but you are deeply deceived and your teachings are very much false according to the Word of God.

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Always interesting to see you guys attack me and not my theology. I attack your theology not your person or your faith
As a Christian and pastor you have no authority over me to declare me a false prophet.
Falseness is all dependent on where one stands. You stand in a traditionalist theology so you see progressives as false. I am a progressive and cannot know if you are a false prophet but I assume you believe Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior and so do I. You're not false but I would challenge your theology but not your faith. I ask the same of you.

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In the past you boasted about the number of times you counseled young women about having abortions .
Lately you have attempted to re invent history claiming that was not the case....good luck with that .

In addition you have often attempted to project your obvious self loathing onto all white people ...all conservatives.

Again....good luck with that .

Have constantly claimed to be a 'minister' . Yet despite many requests to say where you supposedly attended theology school.......you have always avoided the question . As no doubt you will continue to do. Obviously for a good reason .

If what you have alluded to in the past is even half way accurate.....you have damaged many people .

Good luck with that .

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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God as understood as able to overcome physics, chemistry or biology is indeed nonsensical to science, to secular people and Christians.
Christian's of deep faith cannot abide a God is love and allows the innocent to suffer. No theodicy can assuage them.

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This is where your science, and your theology, fails.

First, science does not deal with anything other than the natural world. It does not deal with that which is outside of the natural world and cannot address, by its methods, anything outside the natural world.

Second, Christians of deep faith can most certainly abide that God is love and there is suffering in the world. Do not claim that others are attacking you and you are not attacking them when you tell Christians who disagree with you that if they had "deep faith" they would agree with you. You are basically telling those Christians who do not agree with you that their faith is worthless and yours is not, and if that is not an attack on them as people, I am not sure what would meet that definition.

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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I am using 47's own reasoning and view of the world. He believes science disproves the existence of the supernatural. By extension, that would disprove the existence of the God he purports to believe in.

In short, there is a reason my post was directed to him and not you.

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I believe God is spiritual as in love, prayer, communion, fellowship of disciples who share common life together and seek to be faithful. The supernatural is hocus pocus but God is real in the spiritual world as we follow Jesus.

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Where is your proof?

I'll make it easy for you. There is no proof so, where is your evidence?

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My proof is the witness of faith in the OT and the NT.

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The witness of the OT and NT is that God intervened directly and powerfully in the physical world in ways that were, by definition, supernatural. You don't get to ignore what the Bible says while claiming that it supports your position, because it most assuredly does not.

Waco: "My parameters were holy scripture"

False. To do that you would need to cite specific Scripture, in alignment with other works and words of Christ.

Stating it plainly, you do not come close to passing that test.

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Shooter as a Christian and pastor you have no authority over me to declare me a false prophet.
Falseness is all dependent on where one stands. You stand in a traditionalist theology so you see progressives as false. I am a progressive and cannot know if you are a false prophet but I assume you believe Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior and so do I. You're not false but I would challenge your theology but not your faith. I ask the same of you.

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By the way, I am sad that your feelings are hurt by this thread. You should be aware that challenging people on their faith and theology is very personal. Your opening post was a challenge towards the theology of others (in a very mocking tone), and it seems natural that a challenge would be returned. Perhaps you thought everyone would just agree with you?

For the record, I do not really concern myself with your opinions on my faith or my theology. I know the truth, and am very secure in my relationship with God. If you wish to claim that I am false or my faith is false or whatever... go ahead. It doesn't matter to me. You can claim that I am a false prophet, but I would suggest that you back up those claims with Biblical passages to support your claims, as I have done. Years ago, I dealt with that issue. The truth is that no one on this earth will ever perfectly judge me, my actions or my character. There is only one person who will do that, and his name is Jesus. His opinion is the only one that truly matters to me. You can state incorrect opinions or straight up lies about me, and it really won't matter. Of course, I will always counter with the truth but it won't hurt my feelings or upset me. I hope someday you can experience the true love & full acceptance of Jesus... it is quite freeing.

I will pray for you, that you will find your way to Jesus who is the truth. Until that time, I will counter your false claims about God with the truth. If that offends you, then I suggest you keep your false ideas to yourself. As long as you attempt to lead others astray, you should get used to being challenged and offended.

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I thought 47 was a preacher???

So he does not believe god created everything?

What kind of preacher is he?

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He is a good hearted individual that is now misguided due to a very tragic incident that happened during his ministry. It is his story to share, so I won't.

Sadly, this incident has misshaped his beliefs to a version of the false Process theology.

I pray for him every night.

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So he is a former preacher? Like he had something tragic happened that turned him into a non believer?

I don't need details just I don't follow how he is a preacher but doesn't believe God created everything.

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He still preaches; however, I believe that he does not have a regular home church where his is the head pastor of record.

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I don't know his story but it seems he needs to stop preaching if he is not a believer.

To me he has become a fake preacher and I have called him out on that many times.

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As a Christian and pastor you have no authority over me to declare me a false prophet.
Falseness is all dependent on where one stands. You stand in a traditionalist theology so you see progressives as false. I am a progressive and cannot know if you are a false prophet but I assume you believe Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior and so do I. You're not false but I would challenge your theology but not your faith. I ask the same of you.

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Did God create everything?

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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God created a Hurricane and can't stop it?

There's your .005

Glad I could help

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You beg the question. Can God create a hurricane? The answer is not "The Bible says so." Science says no.God cannot.

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So is your faith in what science says this week or, in what God has always said?

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Physics, chemistry and biology are the stuff of the universe. Gravity is gravity to the ends of the universe and to time. That's eternal. Pure science in and of itself is eternal and our human understanding of it may change this week but the stuff of science does not change.
God is also eternal. Like gravity God as unconditional love was present at the start of the universe and is present now and eternally. Neither science nor God's can be denied.

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Actually gravity varies all over the universe and even within our solar system.

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For you literalists Can God stop a hurricane? If so why does God have that power over physics? Make your case.

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What is a "literalist?" I don't want to answer your question is it was not intended for me.

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A literalist believes the God of the Bible believes that can create or stop a hurricane. Science believes that idea is nonsensical

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Science says the idea of god in general is nonsensical. So why do you purport to believe in that which science says is nonsensical?

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Science says no such thing, and can say no such thing and still be science.

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God as understood as able to overcome physics, chemistry or biology is indeed nonsensical to science, to secular people and Christians.
Christian's of deep faith cannot abide a God is love and allows the innocent to suffer. No theodicy can assuage them.

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Your premises are incorrect. 99 percent of Christians would find it nonsensical to say that God *lacks* authority over the natural world. If you want some reading on the interplay between Christianity and science, you could try The Science of God, by MIT-trained physicist Dr Gerald Schroeder, or The Language of God by Dr Francis Collins.

As for God "allowing the innocent to suffer," we should point out that no form of Christian theology has ever taught that God guarantees everyone a worry-free, pain-free, stress-free life.