https://nypost.com/2022/12/24/abc-news-this-week-producer-dax-tejera-dead-at-37/

RIP

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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There are more deaths since the jab than before the jab. That is quantifiable. The "prevented" deaths and hospitalizations are simply guesses and more propaganda from the side responsible for this sorry episode in our nation's history.

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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There are more deaths since the jab than before the jab. That is quantifiable. The "prevented" deaths and hospitalizations are simply guesses and more propaganda from the side responsible for this sorry episode in our nation's history.

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Is there evidence of causation?

https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/opinion/covid-what-explains-the-sudden-deaths

What in the world is this thread about? The article in the op literally said nothing about his vaccination status or whether that contributed to his death at all.

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What in the world is this thread about? The article in the op literally said nothing about his vaccination status or whether that contributed to his death at all.

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Google and the Full Mooners say it, but no evidence

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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There are more deaths since the jab than before the jab. That is quantifiable. The "prevented" deaths and hospitalizations are simply guesses and more propaganda from the side responsible for this sorry episode in our nation's history.

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Is there evidence of causation?

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Yes, Covid deaths cause the surge.

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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There are more deaths since the jab than before the jab. That is quantifiable. The "prevented" deaths and hospitalizations are simply guesses and more propaganda from the side responsible for this sorry episode in our nation's history.

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Yep. Like Obamas old "saved jobs" nonsense during the last Democrat recession

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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There are more deaths since the jab than before the jab. That is quantifiable. The "prevented" deaths and hospitalizations are simply guesses and more propaganda from the side responsible for this sorry episode in our nation's history.

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Is there evidence of causation?

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There is enough circumstancial evidence of otherwise healthy people dying of mysterious heart issues to convince me not to take any Mrna shots. I had to bury a close friend two weeks ago that went to baylor with me. He had no known health issues and cause of death was seizures caused by possible heart inflammation. Seems odd to me and I will pass on any covid vaccines just in case.

Sudden Adult Death Syndrome. Nothing to see here. Trust your government. They would never lie to you!

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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There are more deaths since the jab than before the jab. That is quantifiable. The "prevented" deaths and hospitalizations are simply guesses and more propaganda from the side responsible for this sorry episode in our nation's history.

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Is there evidence of causation?

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Assuming we are using the same numbers as pre-savior-shot, it is an apple to apple comparison. Surely our government would not jerk the numbers around for political purposes. So, same question to you for pre covid deaths.

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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There are more deaths since the jab than before the jab. That is quantifiable. The "prevented" deaths and hospitalizations are simply guesses and more propaganda from the side responsible for this sorry episode in our nation's history.

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Is there evidence of causation?

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Assuming we are using the same numbers as pre-savior-shot, it is an apple to apple comparison. Surely our government would not jerk the numbers around for political purposes. So, same question to you for pre covid deaths.

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Remember all the rona deaths from car wrecks and gunshots.

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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There are more deaths since the jab than before the jab. That is quantifiable. The "prevented" deaths and hospitalizations are simply guesses and more propaganda from the side responsible for this sorry episode in our nation's history.

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Is there evidence of causation?

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Assuming we are using the same numbers as pre-savior-shot, it is an apple to apple comparison. Surely our government would not jerk the numbers around for political purposes. So, same question to you for pre covid deaths.

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Remember all the rona deaths from car wrecks and gunshots.

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85 to 100 year old men in care facilities for multiple comorbities but reported as covy deaths. The side that argues the shot is effective can wear these numbers. They own them when asking for causation.

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https://nypost.com/2022/12/24/abc-news-this-week-producer-dax-tejera-dead-at-37/

RIP

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Almost 250 million Americans are vaxed. Some of those will die. Some will die young. What is your point?

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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assumptions of what might be true..

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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assumptions of what might be true..

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If you disagree, post a link

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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assumptions of what might be true..

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If you disagree, post a link

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an opinion is an opinion. Modeling is an opinion and often wrong. Merry Christmas!

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-heart-attack-797817229179

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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What was this compared against? How many deaths and hospitalizations occurred due to the vaccines inability to slow spread? Vaccines came out in December 2020.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/weekly-hospital-admissions-covid

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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assumptions of what might be true..

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If you disagree, post a link

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an opinion is an opinion. Modeling is an opinion and often wrong. Merry Christmas!

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Glad we're on the same page

yes, because seemingly healthy people never died suddenly from a heart attack before the Covid Vaccine existed.........

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yes, because seemingly healthy people never died suddenly from a heart attack before the Covid Vaccine existed.........

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Died suddenly. 2022 phrase of the year.

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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assumptions of what might be true..

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If you disagree, post a link

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an opinion is an opinion. Modeling is an opinion and often wrong. Merry Christmas!

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Don't I even get a gif?

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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What was this compared against? How many deaths and hospitalizations occurred due to the vaccines inability to slow spread? Vaccines came out in December 2020.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/weekly-hospital-admissions-covid

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2 things:
1. There is a discussion on the link I posted which may shed some light
2. Your post doesn't contradict or call into question the conclusion that many deaths and hospitalizations were avoided because of the Covid vaccine. I can argue that your post supports the assertion

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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There are more deaths since the jab than before the jab. That is quantifiable. The "prevented" deaths and hospitalizations are simply guesses and more propaganda from the side responsible for this sorry episode in our nation's history.

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Is there evidence of causation?

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If you have to ask, you know the answer. The "vaccine" didn't work as a "vaccine."

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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There are more deaths since the jab than before the jab. That is quantifiable. The "prevented" deaths and hospitalizations are simply guesses and more propaganda from the side responsible for this sorry episode in our nation's history.

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Is there evidence of causation?

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If you have to ask, you know the answer. The "vaccine" didn't work as a "vaccine."

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It just saved 1,000s of lives. Thank you Donald Trump

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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There are more deaths since the jab than before the jab. That is quantifiable. The "prevented" deaths and hospitalizations are simply guesses and more propaganda from the side responsible for this sorry episode in our nation's history.

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Is there evidence of causation?

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If you have to ask, you know the answer. The "vaccine" didn't work as a "vaccine."

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It just saved 1,000s of lives. Thank you Donald Trump

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Yes, Donald Trump and Joe Biden should both be held accountable for this debacle. This is what happens when companies are immune from litigation from damages caused by their products. It is amazing to me how many proles still believe the vaccine has been a huge success. It has not.

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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There are more deaths since the jab than before the jab. That is quantifiable. The "prevented" deaths and hospitalizations are simply guesses and more propaganda from the side responsible for this sorry episode in our nation's history.

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Is there evidence of causation?

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If you have to ask, you know the answer. The "vaccine" didn't work as a "vaccine."

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It just saved 1,000s of lives. Thank you Donald Trump

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Yes, Donald Trump and Joe Biden should both be held accountable for this debacle. This is what happens when companies are immune from litigation from damages caused by their products. It is amazing to me how many proles still believe the vaccine has been a huge success. It has not.

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Vaccine has been a huge success. I give Trump a lot of credit. He saved lives

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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What was this compared against? How many deaths and hospitalizations occurred due to the vaccines inability to slow spread? Vaccines came out in December 2020.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/weekly-hospital-admissions-covid

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2 things:
1. There is a discussion on the link I posted which may shed some light
2. Your post doesn't contradict or call into question the conclusion that many deaths and hospitalizations were avoided because of the Covid vaccine. I can argue that your post supports the assertion

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Their model is trash, and the discussion is simply saying they used published efficacies, which have been all over the place, and a factual error assumption that Omicron is "mild" because of vaccinations. Meanwhile, actual data shows that unvaccinated people are not getting severe COVID anywhere close to initial variants, in fact the vaccinated and unvaccinated are very close in outcome ratios (hospitalization and death) for most of 2022.

They did this same exercise a year ago, but that model failed to meet reality. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2021/dec/us-covid-19-vaccination-program-one-year-how-many-deaths-and
This is the same type of junk modeling you see with climate models. Take an extremely complicated multi variable process, boil it down to a few data points, and create your outcome.

Here's one data point that shows the absurdity. The hospitalizations and deaths under the No vaccine model are over 4 times greater than the ratios that actually occurred prior to wide spread vaccine availability. In fact their model reached 18,000 deaths in a day late 2021, when the worst we ever had was just over 4,000 during delta and prior to full vaccination roll out (Jan 2021). They carried those absurd ratios into 2022 in this latest model.

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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What was this compared against? How many deaths and hospitalizations occurred due to the vaccines inability to slow spread? Vaccines came out in December 2020.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/weekly-hospital-admissions-covid

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2 things:
1. There is a discussion on the link I posted which may shed some light
2. Your post doesn't contradict or call into question the conclusion that many deaths and hospitalizations were avoided because of the Covid vaccine. I can argue that your post supports the assertion

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Their model is trash, and the discussion is simply saying they used published efficacies, which have been all over the place, and a factual error assumption that Omicron is "mild" because of vaccinations. Meanwhile, actual data shows that unvaccinated people are not getting severe COVID anywhere close to initial variants, in fact the vaccinated and unvaccinated are very close in outcome ratios (hospitalization and death) for most of 2022.

They did this same exercise a year ago, but that model failed to meet reality. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2021/dec/us-covid-19-vaccination-program-one-year-how-many-deaths-and
This is the same type of junk modeling you see with climate models. Take an extremely complicated multi variable process, boil it down to a few data points, and create your outcome.

Here's one data point that shows the absurdity. The hospitalizations and deaths under the No vaccine model are over 4 times greater than the ratios that actually occurred prior to wide spread vaccine availability. In fact their model reached 18,000 deaths in a day late 2021, when the worst we ever had was just over 4,000 during delta and prior to full vaccination roll out (Jan 2021). They carried those absurd ratios into 2022 in this latest model.

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Thanks. I'm looking
Do you believe the vaccines helped, hurt, or made no difference?

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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What was this compared against? How many deaths and hospitalizations occurred due to the vaccines inability to slow spread? Vaccines came out in December 2020.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/weekly-hospital-admissions-covid

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2 things:
1. There is a discussion on the link I posted which may shed some light
2. Your post doesn't contradict or call into question the conclusion that many deaths and hospitalizations were avoided because of the Covid vaccine. I can argue that your post supports the assertion

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Their model is trash, and the discussion is simply saying they used published efficacies, which have been all over the place, and a factual error assumption that Omicron is "mild" because of vaccinations. Meanwhile, actual data shows that unvaccinated people are not getting severe COVID anywhere close to initial variants, in fact the vaccinated and unvaccinated are very close in outcome ratios (hospitalization and death) for most of 2022.

They did this same exercise a year ago, but that model failed to meet reality. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2021/dec/us-covid-19-vaccination-program-one-year-how-many-deaths-and
This is the same type of junk modeling you see with climate models. Take an extremely complicated multi variable process, boil it down to a few data points, and create your outcome.

Here's one data point that shows the absurdity. The hospitalizations and deaths under the No vaccine model are over 4 times greater than the ratios that actually occurred prior to wide spread vaccine availability. In fact their model reached 18,000 deaths in a day late 2021, when the worst we ever had was just over 4,000 during delta and prior to full vaccination roll out (Jan 2021). They carried those absurd ratios into 2022 in this latest model.

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Thanks. I'm looking
Do you believe the vaccines helped, hurt, or made no difference?

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I believe they stimulated the immune system in vulnerable groups reducing at some level severe outcome. I believe this was a pandemic of the immuno-compromised. So in that way I believe they did help reduce death and hospitalizations.

I don't believe it had any meaningful impact on the reduction of spread (outside of Alpha), therefore making utilization in groups not at risk for severe outcome less necessary, I also believe the mRNA approach did not turn out to be the answer as anticipated, and believe we need other solutions. I'm hopeful COVID is more endemic now, and therapeutics can be the answer for the vast majority. I think how we've handled children through this process has been a travesty. I'm not anti-vaxx at all, I'm anti dogmatic approach to this vaccine built on the foundation of irrational fear and government rigidity to it. I want a better solution, not an artificial propping up of this one. Models like this are instruments in that propping up.

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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What was this compared against? How many deaths and hospitalizations occurred due to the vaccines inability to slow spread? Vaccines came out in December 2020.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/weekly-hospital-admissions-covid

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2 things:
1. There is a discussion on the link I posted which may shed some light
2. Your post doesn't contradict or call into question the conclusion that many deaths and hospitalizations were avoided because of the Covid vaccine. I can argue that your post supports the assertion

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Their model is trash, and the discussion is simply saying they used published efficacies, which have been all over the place, and a factual error assumption that Omicron is "mild" because of vaccinations. Meanwhile, actual data shows that unvaccinated people are not getting severe COVID anywhere close to initial variants, in fact the vaccinated and unvaccinated are very close in outcome ratios (hospitalization and death) for most of 2022.

They did this same exercise a year ago, but that model failed to meet reality. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2021/dec/us-covid-19-vaccination-program-one-year-how-many-deaths-and
This is the same type of junk modeling you see with climate models. Take an extremely complicated multi variable process, boil it down to a few data points, and create your outcome.

Here's one data point that shows the absurdity. The hospitalizations and deaths under the No vaccine model are over 4 times greater than the ratios that actually occurred prior to wide spread vaccine availability. In fact their model reached 18,000 deaths in a day late 2021, when the worst we ever had was just over 4,000 during delta and prior to full vaccination roll out (Jan 2021). They carried those absurd ratios into 2022 in this latest model.

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Thanks. I'm looking
Do you believe the vaccines helped, hurt, or made no difference?

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I believe they stimulated the immune system in vulnerable groups reducing at some level severe outcome. I believe this was a pandemic of the immuno-compromised. So in that way I believe they did help reduce death and hospitalizations.

I don't believe it had any meaningful impact on the reduction of spread (outside of Alpha), therefore making utilization in groups not at risk for severe outcome less necessary, I also believe the mRNA approach did not turn out to be the answer as anticipated, and believe we need other solutions. I'm hopeful COVID is more endemic now, and therapeutics can be the answer for the vast majority. I think how we've handled children through this process has been a travesty. I'm not anti-vaxx at all, I'm anti dogmatic approach to this vaccine built on the foundation of irrational fear and government rigidity to it. I want a better solution, not an artificial propping up of this one. Models like this are instruments in that propping up.

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It does appear that children don't benefit like the older groups.

Based on the reports I read, I remain convinced that the vaccines reduced deaths and hospitalizations (it appears we agree on this)

Maybe that reconciles our positions.
These studies indicate. The vaccine is effective against death and hospitalizations.
https://kingcounty.gov/depts/health/covid-19/data/vaccination-outcomes.aspx

https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/covid-19/home/vaccine-effectiveness.html

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0715-COVID-VE.html

Anti-vaxxers scoffed when the models predicted a million deaths. You have no standing to critique models at this point.