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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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assumptions of what might be true..

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If you disagree, post a link

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I am sorry that you have to live with utter nonsense of your opponents.

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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assumptions of what might be true..

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If you disagree, post a link

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I am sorry that you have to live with utter nonsense of your opponents.

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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assumptions of what might be true..

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If you disagree, post a link

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I am sorry that you have to live with utter nonsense of your opponents.

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4th isn't an opponent. A disagreement over a matter of opinion doesn't make opponents

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Anti-vaxxers scoffed when the models predicted a million deaths. You have no standing to critique models at this point.

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2.2 million deaths by 2021 if we didn't do multiple mitigation efforts not involving vaccines. So yeah, they were pretty bad. Even the Lancet admitted they were off by a million/50-60% in the US and UK.

Obese diabetics largely and overwhelmingly over the age of 65 murdered by remdemsivir in the hospital account for a very large number of the deaths

Yet some of you fools vaxed your kiddos.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Anti-vaxxers scoffed when the models predicted a million deaths. You have no standing to critique models at this point.

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2.2 million deaths by 2021 if we didn't do multiple mitigation efforts not involving vaccines. So yeah, they were pretty bad. Even the Lancet admitted they were off by a million/50-60% in the US and UK.

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What mitigation efforts? Some here think masks and social distancing are the tools of Satan

I have reasonably intelligent friends who are COVID vaccinated. I have reasonably intelligent friends who are not.

To act like vaccines are some voodoo science is crazy. To act like these vaccines were not rushed much faster to market than normal is crazy.

There are solid reasons substantiating both positions.

But when folks use terminology like "the jab" or "anti-Vaxxers" they lose all credibility.
Use nutjob phrases, win Nutjob prizes.

Let's go! https://t.co/XwuuWFEdNH

— Justin Hart (@justin_hart) December 26, 2022

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Let's go! https://t.co/XwuuWFEdNH

— Justin Hart (@justin_hart) December 26, 2022

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It wasnt just twitter but all social media. I had a post zapped off nextdoor for recommending people take 5k iu of vitamin D daily to help their immune system. Imagine censoring posts advising people to take vitamins for health. The post was removed for Covid misinfo when 90% of all people are vitamin D deficient.

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I have reasonably intelligent friends who are COVID vaccinated. I have reasonably intelligent friends who are not.

To act like vaccines are some voodoo science is crazy. To act like these vaccines were not rushed much faster to market than normal is crazy.

There are solid reasons substantiating both positions.

But when folks use terminology like "the jab" or "anti-Vaxxers" they lose all credibility.
Use nutjob phrases, win Nutjob prizes.

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Good idea

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Jacques Strap said:

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Let's go! https://t.co/XwuuWFEdNH

— Justin Hart (@justin_hart) December 26, 2022

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It wasnt just twitter but all social media. I had a post zapped off nextdoor for recommending people take 5k iu of vitamin D daily to help their immune system. Imagine censoring posts advising people to take vitamins for health. The post was removed for Covid misinfo when 90% of all people are vitamin D deficient.

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That's a shame. Plenty of studies pointed to people that were Vitamin D deficient doing worse with covid. I took D and also zinc thinking best case it will help and worst case it won't hurt. My RN wife and my MD both gave their blessing.

I took D, zinc and my my normal multi vitamin. When I got covid I took ivermectin and didn't miss any work and felt fine (worked remote). Did ivermectin help? IDK but others that got covid at the same dinner party where I got it did not fare as well and they did not take ivermectin. So I'll take it again. Had congestion and 100.5 temp but felt pretty normal and good enough to work. I've felt much worse with the flu than with covid. Anyway that's my experience.

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muddybrazos said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Let's go! https://t.co/XwuuWFEdNH

— Justin Hart (@justin_hart) December 26, 2022

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It wasnt just twitter but all social media. I had a post zapped off nextdoor for recommending people take 5k iu of vitamin D daily to help their immune system. Imagine censoring posts advising people to take vitamins for health. The post was removed for Covid misinfo when 90% of all people are vitamin D deficient.

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That's a shame. Plenty of studies pointed to people that were Vitamin D deficient doing worse with covid. I took D and also zinc thinking best case it will help and worst case it won't hurt. My RN wife and my MD both gave their blessing.

I took D, zinc and my my normal multi vitamin. When I got covid I took ivermectin and didn't miss any work and felt fine (worked remote). Did ivermectin help? IDK but others that got covid at the same dinner party where I got it did not fare as well and they did not take ivermectin. So I'll take it again. Had congestion and 100.5 temp but felt pretty normal and good enough to work. I've felt much worse with the flu than with covid. Anyway that's my experience.Yes, your experience And this is proof of nothing "but others that got covid at the same dinner part where I got it did not fare as well and they did not take ivermectin." You completely ignore that you have no knowledge of their medical history.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Anti-vaxxers scoffed when the models predicted a million deaths. You have no standing to critique models at this point.

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2.2 million deaths by 2021 if we didn't do multiple mitigation efforts not involving vaccines. So yeah, they were pretty bad. Even the Lancet admitted they were off by a million/50-60% in the US and UK.

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Again, that was assuming no vaccine and no mandatory or voluntary behavior changes at all…which the model made clear was unlikely.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Anti-vaxxers scoffed when the models predicted a million deaths. You have no standing to critique models at this point.

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2.2 million deaths by 2021 if we didn't do multiple mitigation efforts not involving vaccines. So yeah, they were pretty bad. Even the Lancet admitted they were off by a million/50-60% in the US and UK.

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Again, that was assuming no vaccine and no mandatory or voluntary behavior changes at all…which the model made clear was unlikely.

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And there wasn't a vaccine (widespread) during their window and mitigation was modest at best, yet they predicted nearly 5x the deaths. In other words, a bad model.

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Anti-vaxxers scoffed when the models predicted a million deaths. You have no standing to critique models at this point.

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2.2 million deaths by 2021 if we didn't do multiple mitigation efforts not involving vaccines. So yeah, they were pretty bad. Even the Lancet admitted they were off by a million/50-60% in the US and UK.

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What mitigation efforts? Some here think masks and social distancing are the tools of Satan

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I don't think they're tools of Satan, just not very effective. I mean containing people in apartment buildings with shared air flow systems during a highly infectious respiratory pandemic probably wasn't the best mitigation advice. At least they eventually started telling those poor souls to keep their windows open.

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Anti-vaxxers scoffed when the models predicted a million deaths. You have no standing to critique models at this point.

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2.2 million deaths by 2021 if we didn't do multiple mitigation efforts not involving vaccines. So yeah, they were pretty bad. Even the Lancet admitted they were off by a million/50-60% in the US and UK.

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Again, that was assuming no vaccine and no mandatory or voluntary behavior changes at all…which the model made clear was unlikely.

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And there wasn't a vaccine (widespread) during their window and mitigation was modest at best, yet they predicted nearly 5x the deaths. In other words, a bad model.

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The window was changeable based on the level of mitigation. With none whatsoever, the pandemic was expected to peak within a few months and subside quickly. The more likely scenario was a longer window with fewer (albeit substantial) deaths, i.e. the whole point of flattening the curve.

Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Anti-vaxxers scoffed when the models predicted a million deaths. You have no standing to critique models at this point.

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2.2 million deaths by 2021 if we didn't do multiple mitigation efforts not involving vaccines. So yeah, they were pretty bad. Even the Lancet admitted they were off by a million/50-60% in the US and UK.

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Again, that was assuming no vaccine and no mandatory or voluntary behavior changes at all…which the model made clear was unlikely.

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And there wasn't a vaccine (widespread) during their window and mitigation was modest at best, yet they predicted nearly 5x the deaths. In other words, a bad model.

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The window was changeable based on the level of mitigation. With none whatsoever, the pandemic was expected to peak within a few months and subside quickly. The more likely scenario was a longer window with fewer (albeit substantial) deaths, i.e. the whole point of flattening the curve.

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The four letter acronym, SADS, is very fitting. Sad.

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Jacques Strap said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Let's go! https://t.co/XwuuWFEdNH

— Justin Hart (@justin_hart) December 26, 2022

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It wasnt just twitter but all social media. I had a post zapped off nextdoor for recommending people take 5k iu of vitamin D daily to help their immune system. Imagine censoring posts advising people to take vitamins for health. The post was removed for Covid misinfo when 90% of all people are vitamin D deficient.

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That's a shame. Plenty of studies pointed to people that were Vitamin D deficient doing worse with covid. I took D and also zinc thinking best case it will help and worst case it won't hurt. My RN wife and my MD both gave their blessing.

I took D, zinc and my my normal multi vitamin. When I got covid I took ivermectin and didn't miss any work and felt fine (worked remote). Did ivermectin help? IDK but others that got covid at the same dinner party where I got it did not fare as well and they did not take ivermectin. So I'll take it again. Had congestion and 100.5 temp but felt pretty normal and good enough to work. I've felt much worse with the flu than with covid. Anyway that's my experience.Yes, your experience And this is proof of nothing "but others that got covid at the same dinner part where I got it did not fare as well and they did not take ivermectin." You completely ignore that you have no knowledge of their medical history.

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I also took ivermectin, glutathione and vitamin D. My covid lasted 3 days. Ivermectin works and it couldve saved 1000s of lives if the govt didnt do a smear campaign against using it at the first sign of covid but the govt never wanted to save lives they just wanted to force vaccines on people for profit.

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Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Anti-vaxxers scoffed when the models predicted a million deaths. You have no standing to critique models at this point.

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2.2 million deaths by 2021 if we didn't do multiple mitigation efforts not involving vaccines. So yeah, they were pretty bad. Even the Lancet admitted they were off by a million/50-60% in the US and UK.

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What mitigation efforts? Some here think masks and social distancing are the tools of Satan

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I mean containing people in apartment buildings with shared air flow systems during a highly infectious respiratory pandemic probably wasn't the best mitigation advice.

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It may be the best advice if you're trying to contain the outbreak to that building, notwithstanding risk to the residents. That's always been part of the rationale for quarantines.

muddybrazos said:

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Waco1947 said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Let's go! https://t.co/XwuuWFEdNH

— Justin Hart (@justin_hart) December 26, 2022

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It wasnt just twitter but all social media. I had a post zapped off nextdoor for recommending people take 5k iu of vitamin D daily to help their immune system. Imagine censoring posts advising people to take vitamins for health. The post was removed for Covid misinfo when 90% of all people are vitamin D deficient.

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That's a shame. Plenty of studies pointed to people that were Vitamin D deficient doing worse with covid. I took D and also zinc thinking best case it will help and worst case it won't hurt. My RN wife and my MD both gave their blessing.

I took D, zinc and my my normal multi vitamin. When I got covid I took ivermectin and didn't miss any work and felt fine (worked remote). Did ivermectin help? IDK but others that got covid at the same dinner party where I got it did not fare as well and they did not take ivermectin. So I'll take it again. Had congestion and 100.5 temp but felt pretty normal and good enough to work. I've felt much worse with the flu than with covid. Anyway that's my experience.Yes, your experience And this is proof of nothing "but others that got covid at the same dinner part where I got it did not fare as well and they did not take ivermectin." You completely ignore that you have no knowledge of their medical history.

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I also took ivermectin, glutathione and vitamin D. My covid lasted 3 days. Ivermectin works and it couldve saved 1000s of lives if the govt didnt do a smear campaign against using it at the first sign of covid but the govt never wanted to save lives they just wanted to force vaccines on people for profit.

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Except that it doesn't actually work.

Sam Lowry said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Let's go! https://t.co/XwuuWFEdNH

— Justin Hart (@justin_hart) December 26, 2022

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It wasnt just twitter but all social media. I had a post zapped off nextdoor for recommending people take 5k iu of vitamin D daily to help their immune system. Imagine censoring posts advising people to take vitamins for health. The post was removed for Covid misinfo when 90% of all people are vitamin D deficient.

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That's a shame. Plenty of studies pointed to people that were Vitamin D deficient doing worse with covid. I took D and also zinc thinking best case it will help and worst case it won't hurt. My RN wife and my MD both gave their blessing.

I took D, zinc and my my normal multi vitamin. When I got covid I took ivermectin and didn't miss any work and felt fine (worked remote). Did ivermectin help? IDK but others that got covid at the same dinner party where I got it did not fare as well and they did not take ivermectin. So I'll take it again. Had congestion and 100.5 temp but felt pretty normal and good enough to work. I've felt much worse with the flu than with covid. Anyway that's my experience.Yes, your experience And this is proof of nothing "but others that got covid at the same dinner part where I got it did not fare as well and they did not take ivermectin." You completely ignore that you have no knowledge of their medical history.

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I also took ivermectin, glutathione and vitamin D. My covid lasted 3 days. Ivermectin works and it couldve saved 1000s of lives if the govt didnt do a smear campaign against using it at the first sign of covid but the govt never wanted to save lives they just wanted to force vaccines on people for profit.

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Except that it doesn't actually work.

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Of course it doesnt work. Only the vaccines work and the more mrna you take the better they work.

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Osodecentx said:

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.

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There are more deaths since the jab than before the jab. That is quantifiable. The "prevented" deaths and hospitalizations are simply guesses and more propaganda from the side responsible for this sorry episode in our nation's history.

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Is there evidence of causation?

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If you have to ask, you know the answer. The "vaccine" didn't work as a "vaccine."

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What does that have to do with baseless claims of random sudden deaths caused by the vaccine?

Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Anti-vaxxers scoffed when the models predicted a million deaths. You have no standing to critique models at this point.

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2.2 million deaths by 2021 if we didn't do multiple mitigation efforts not involving vaccines. So yeah, they were pretty bad. Even the Lancet admitted they were off by a million/50-60% in the US and UK.

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What mitigation efforts? Some here think masks and social distancing are the tools of Satan

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I mean containing people in apartment buildings with shared air flow systems during a highly infectious respiratory pandemic probably wasn't the best mitigation advice.

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It may be the best advice if you're trying to contain the outbreak to that building, notwithstanding risk to the residents. That's always been part of the rationale for quarantines.

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Fascinating (or scary) that you went to quarantine. That was exactly China's zero COVID approach once a positive test was discovered. But stay at home orders aren't quarantines. They were intended to stop spread by creating social distance. Instead they wallowed in group housing breathing each others air.

Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Anti-vaxxers scoffed when the models predicted a million deaths. You have no standing to critique models at this point.

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2.2 million deaths by 2021 if we didn't do multiple mitigation efforts not involving vaccines. So yeah, they were pretty bad. Even the Lancet admitted they were off by a million/50-60% in the US and UK.

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Again, that was assuming no vaccine and no mandatory or voluntary behavior changes at all…which the model made clear was unlikely.

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And there wasn't a vaccine (widespread) during their window and mitigation was modest at best, yet they predicted nearly 5x the deaths. In other words, a bad model.

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The window was changeable based on the level of mitigation. With none whatsoever, the pandemic was expected to peak within a few months and subside quickly. The more likely scenario was a longer window with fewer (albeit substantial) deaths, i.e. the whole point of flattening the curve.

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The assumptions were wrong, thus the model turned out to be very wrong.

muddybrazos said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Let's go! https://t.co/XwuuWFEdNH

— Justin Hart (@justin_hart) December 26, 2022

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It wasnt just twitter but all social media. I had a post zapped off nextdoor for recommending people take 5k iu of vitamin D daily to help their immune system. Imagine censoring posts advising people to take vitamins for health. The post was removed for Covid misinfo when 90% of all people are vitamin D deficient.

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That's a shame. Plenty of studies pointed to people that were Vitamin D deficient doing worse with covid. I took D and also zinc thinking best case it will help and worst case it won't hurt. My RN wife and my MD both gave their blessing.

I took D, zinc and my my normal multi vitamin. When I got covid I took ivermectin and didn't miss any work and felt fine (worked remote). Did ivermectin help? IDK but others that got covid at the same dinner party where I got it did not fare as well and they did not take ivermectin. So I'll take it again. Had congestion and 100.5 temp but felt pretty normal and good enough to work. I've felt much worse with the flu than with covid. Anyway that's my experience.Yes, your experience And this is proof of nothing "but others that got covid at the same dinner part where I got it did not fare as well and they did not take ivermectin." You completely ignore that you have no knowledge of their medical history.

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I also took ivermectin, glutathione and vitamin D. My covid lasted 3 days. Ivermectin works and it couldve saved 1000s of lives if the govt didnt do a smear campaign against using it at the first sign of covid but the govt never wanted to save lives they just wanted to force vaccines on people for profit.

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Except that it doesn't actually work.

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Of course it doesnt work. Only the vaccines work and the more mrna you take the better they work.

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Chaos in China where they don't allow mRNA vaccines.

Slumped in wheelchairs and lying on gurneys, the sickened patients crowd every nook and cranny of the emergency department at the hospital in northern China. They cram into the narrow spaces between elevator doors. They surround an idle walk-through metal detector. And they line the walls of a corridor ringing with the sounds of coughing.
China's hospitals were already overcrowded, underfunded and inadequately staffed in the best of times. But now with Covid spreading freely for the first time in China, the medical system is being pushed to its limits.
The scenes of desperation and misery at the Tianjin Medical University General Hospital, captured on one of several videos examined by The New York Times, reflects the growing crisis. Even as Covid cases rise, health workers on the front lines are also battling rampant infections within their own ranks. So many have tested positive for the virus in some hospitals that the remaining few say they are forced to do the job of five or more co-workers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/27/world/asia/china-covid-hospital-crisis.html

Well, **** 70% of the population was vaxed. So, all deaths by vaxed people is the fault of the vaccine? Seems an awfully large net...

muddybrazos said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Let's go! https://t.co/XwuuWFEdNH

— Justin Hart (@justin_hart) December 26, 2022

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It wasnt just twitter but all social media. I had a post zapped off nextdoor for recommending people take 5k iu of vitamin D daily to help their immune system. Imagine censoring posts advising people to take vitamins for health. The post was removed for Covid misinfo when 90% of all people are vitamin D deficient.

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That's a shame. Plenty of studies pointed to people that were Vitamin D deficient doing worse with covid. I took D and also zinc thinking best case it will help and worst case it won't hurt. My RN wife and my MD both gave their blessing.

I took D, zinc and my my normal multi vitamin. When I got covid I took ivermectin and didn't miss any work and felt fine (worked remote). Did ivermectin help? IDK but others that got covid at the same dinner party where I got it did not fare as well and they did not take ivermectin. So I'll take it again. Had congestion and 100.5 temp but felt pretty normal and good enough to work. I've felt much worse with the flu than with covid. Anyway that's my experience.Yes, your experience And this is proof of nothing "but others that got covid at the same dinner part where I got it did not fare as well and they did not take ivermectin." You completely ignore that you have no knowledge of their medical history.

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I also took ivermectin, glutathione and vitamin D. My covid lasted 3 days. Ivermectin works and it couldve saved 1000s of lives if the govt didnt do a smear campaign against using it at the first sign of covid but the govt never wanted to save lives they just wanted to force vaccines on people for profit.

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That is a big leap. I had a very minor case, my neighbor was on his back. Neither were vaccinated at the time. We both took D3, the only difference is that I am on VALTRAX (anti-viral) for Meineres. There is no evidence that VALTRAX does anything. Maybe weightlifting helped? Do more Dead Lifts (actually sound advice for any situaiton!)

Your logic would be that I should be touting VALTRAX as a preventive. Big jump.

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Anti-vaxxers scoffed when the models predicted a million deaths. You have no standing to critique models at this point.

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2.2 million deaths by 2021 if we didn't do multiple mitigation efforts not involving vaccines. So yeah, they were pretty bad. Even the Lancet admitted they were off by a million/50-60% in the US and UK.

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What mitigation efforts? Some here think masks and social distancing are the tools of Satan

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I mean containing people in apartment buildings with shared air flow systems during a highly infectious respiratory pandemic probably wasn't the best mitigation advice.

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It may be the best advice if you're trying to contain the outbreak to that building, notwithstanding risk to the residents. That's always been part of the rationale for quarantines.

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Fascinating (or scary) that you went to quarantine. That was exactly China's zero COVID approach once a positive test was discovered. But stay at home orders aren't quarantines. They were intended to stop spread by creating social distance. Instead they wallowed in group housing breathing each others air.

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I'm just saying it's the same concept.

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Anti-vaxxers scoffed when the models predicted a million deaths. You have no standing to critique models at this point.

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2.2 million deaths by 2021 if we didn't do multiple mitigation efforts not involving vaccines. So yeah, they were pretty bad. Even the Lancet admitted they were off by a million/50-60% in the US and UK.

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Again, that was assuming no vaccine and no mandatory or voluntary behavior changes at all…which the model made clear was unlikely.

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And there wasn't a vaccine (widespread) during their window and mitigation was modest at best, yet they predicted nearly 5x the deaths. In other words, a bad model.

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The window was changeable based on the level of mitigation. With none whatsoever, the pandemic was expected to peak within a few months and subside quickly. The more likely scenario was a longer window with fewer (albeit substantial) deaths, i.e. the whole point of flattening the curve.

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The assumptions were wrong, thus the model turned out to be very wrong.

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They predicted about a million deaths, assuming short term mitigation, and we got almost exactly that. In my world that's not very wrong.

Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Anti-vaxxers scoffed when the models predicted a million deaths. You have no standing to critique models at this point.

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2.2 million deaths by 2021 if we didn't do multiple mitigation efforts not involving vaccines. So yeah, they were pretty bad. Even the Lancet admitted they were off by a million/50-60% in the US and UK.

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Again, that was assuming no vaccine and no mandatory or voluntary behavior changes at all…which the model made clear was unlikely.

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And there wasn't a vaccine (widespread) during their window and mitigation was modest at best, yet they predicted nearly 5x the deaths. In other words, a bad model.

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The window was changeable based on the level of mitigation. With none whatsoever, the pandemic was expected to peak within a few months and subside quickly. The more likely scenario was a longer window with fewer (albeit substantial) deaths, i.e. the whole point of flattening the curve.

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The assumptions were wrong, thus the model turned out to be very wrong.

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They predicted about a million deaths, assuming short term mitigation, and we got almost exactly that. In my world that's not very wrong.

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Except we did long term mitigation and did worse than they predicted. Much. It's a bad model going back to their predictive R factors. This discussion was had over a year or maybe two ago. You can't seem to contemplate that mitigation had very little impact, but they scared us into absurd measures by these over the top death outcome models if we did nothing

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Anti-vaxxers scoffed when the models predicted a million deaths. You have no standing to critique models at this point.

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2.2 million deaths by 2021 if we didn't do multiple mitigation efforts not involving vaccines. So yeah, they were pretty bad. Even the Lancet admitted they were off by a million/50-60% in the US and UK.

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Again, that was assuming no vaccine and no mandatory or voluntary behavior changes at all…which the model made clear was unlikely.

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And there wasn't a vaccine (widespread) during their window and mitigation was modest at best, yet they predicted nearly 5x the deaths. In other words, a bad model.

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The window was changeable based on the level of mitigation. With none whatsoever, the pandemic was expected to peak within a few months and subside quickly. The more likely scenario was a longer window with fewer (albeit substantial) deaths, i.e. the whole point of flattening the curve.

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The assumptions were wrong, thus the model turned out to be very wrong.

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They predicted about a million deaths, assuming short term mitigation, and we got almost exactly that. In my world that's not very wrong.

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Except we did long term mitigation and did worse than they predicted. Much. It's a bad model going back to their predictive R factors. This discussion was had over a year or maybe two ago. You can't seem to contemplate that mitigation had very little impact, but they scared us into absurd measures by these over the top death outcome models if we did nothing

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Mitigation was inconsistent. I don't know how you calculate that one million is much worse than one million. I believe their R0 estimates were in the range of 1.5 to 3.5, which is typical.

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Anti-vaxxers scoffed when the models predicted a million deaths. You have no standing to critique models at this point.

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2.2 million deaths by 2021 if we didn't do multiple mitigation efforts not involving vaccines. So yeah, they were pretty bad. Even the Lancet admitted they were off by a million/50-60% in the US and UK.

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Again, that was assuming no vaccine and no mandatory or voluntary behavior changes at all…which the model made clear was unlikely.

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And there wasn't a vaccine (widespread) during their window and mitigation was modest at best, yet they predicted nearly 5x the deaths. In other words, a bad model.

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The window was changeable based on the level of mitigation. With none whatsoever, the pandemic was expected to peak within a few months and subside quickly. The more likely scenario was a longer window with fewer (albeit substantial) deaths, i.e. the whole point of flattening the curve.

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The assumptions were wrong, thus the model turned out to be very wrong.

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They predicted about a million deaths, assuming short term mitigation, and we got almost exactly that. In my world that's not very wrong.

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Except we did long term mitigation and did worse than they predicted. Much. It's a bad model going back to their predictive R factors. This discussion was had over a year or maybe two ago. You can't seem to contemplate that mitigation had very little impact, but they scared us into absurd measures by these over the top death outcome models if we did nothing

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Mitigation was inconsistent. I don't know how you calculate that one million is much worse than one million. I believe their R0 estimates were in the range of 1.5 to 3.5, which is typical.

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Every time we get here. You don't even have the courtesy to read the study. You pump an article intended to justify the model, whose primary point was to say, "even though this isn't a great model, it motivated governments into action". Good grief. Read a chart or even the study at least. Deaths were projected to be 10% or less of the worst scenario with the same mitigation/suppression efforts they modeled, and we actually did. The 50% reduction related to only isolating/quarantining the infected and elderly.

And the R factor was 2-2.6, which you'd have seen in the study.

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Anti-vaxxers scoffed when the models predicted a million deaths. You have no standing to critique models at this point.

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2.2 million deaths by 2021 if we didn't do multiple mitigation efforts not involving vaccines. So yeah, they were pretty bad. Even the Lancet admitted they were off by a million/50-60% in the US and UK.

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Again, that was assuming no vaccine and no mandatory or voluntary behavior changes at all…which the model made clear was unlikely.

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And there wasn't a vaccine (widespread) during their window and mitigation was modest at best, yet they predicted nearly 5x the deaths. In other words, a bad model.

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The window was changeable based on the level of mitigation. With none whatsoever, the pandemic was expected to peak within a few months and subside quickly. The more likely scenario was a longer window with fewer (albeit substantial) deaths, i.e. the whole point of flattening the curve.

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The assumptions were wrong, thus the model turned out to be very wrong.

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They predicted about a million deaths, assuming short term mitigation, and we got almost exactly that. In my world that's not very wrong.

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Except we did long term mitigation and did worse than they predicted. Much. It's a bad model going back to their predictive R factors. This discussion was had over a year or maybe two ago. You can't seem to contemplate that mitigation had very little impact, but they scared us into absurd measures by these over the top death outcome models if we did nothing

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Mitigation was inconsistent. I don't know how you calculate that one million is much worse than one million. I believe their R0 estimates were in the range of 1.5 to 3.5, which is typical.

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Every time we get here. You don't even have the courtesy to read the study. You pump an article intended to justify the model, whose primary point was to say, "even though this isn't a great model, it motivated governments into action". Good grief. Read a chart or even the study at least. Deaths were projected to be 10% or less of the worst scenario with the same mitigation/suppression efforts they modeled, and we actually did. The 50% reduction related to only isolating/quarantining the infected and elderly.

And the R factor was 2-2.6, which you'd have seen in the study.

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I've read (and explained) the report plenty of times. I don't know where you got the idea that we adopted their best-case suppression measures, but we weren't even close. They were talking about literal quarantines for the duration of the pandemic.

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Let's go! https://t.co/XwuuWFEdNH

— Justin Hart (@justin_hart) December 26, 2022

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It wasnt just twitter but all social media. I had a post zapped off nextdoor for recommending people take 5k iu of vitamin D daily to help their immune system. Imagine censoring posts advising people to take vitamins for health. The post was removed for Covid misinfo when 90% of all people are vitamin D deficient.

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That's a shame. Plenty of studies pointed to people that were Vitamin D deficient doing worse with covid. I took D and also zinc thinking best case it will help and worst case it won't hurt. My RN wife and my MD both gave their blessing.

I took D, zinc and my my normal multi vitamin. When I got covid I took ivermectin and didn't miss any work and felt fine (worked remote). Did ivermectin help? IDK but others that got covid at the same dinner party where I got it did not fare as well and they did not take ivermectin. So I'll take it again. Had congestion and 100.5 temp but felt pretty normal and good enough to work. I've felt much worse with the flu than with covid. Anyway that's my experience.Yes, your experience And this is proof of nothing "but others that got covid at the same dinner part where I got it did not fare as well and they did not take ivermectin." You completely ignore that you have no knowledge of their medical history.

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I also took ivermectin, glutathione and vitamin D. My covid lasted 3 days. Ivermectin works and it couldve saved 1000s of lives if the govt didnt do a smear campaign against using it at the first sign of covid but the govt never wanted to save lives they just wanted to force vaccines on people for profit.

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Except that it doesn't actually work.

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Except it does. Was better for earlier variants, truthfully. Now HCQ (and nitazoxanide, not really available in the us) along with the other suppliments seem to be better for current varients. Don't forget black seed oil and aspirin. Covid is a disease of inflammation and clots, so it is important to be anticoagulated and decrease inflammation. Vaxxed or no. Take asa for several months after either disease or vaccination, please. If you have not treated covid, please be considerate of those who have. Peace all!

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