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In reply to 4th and Inches • 11:58a, 3/20/23
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
For a very large and still growing part of the electorate, the divide isn't really Republicans vs Democrats. It's Us vs Them.

Will Trump endorse the Republican nominee for president in 2024?
Everything we've seen in his approach to party politics indicates he would, should it come to that.

the 3rd party thing, the "he'll blow it up if he doesn't control it" thing......that's neverTrumper projection, pure & simple. The Sheriff Bart routine is all they got, all day, every day....


It's remarkable how confident you are that Trump will play nice if he loses the primary. It's almost as if you're ignoring all evidence to the contrary. After he lost the 2020 election, he didn't do much of anything to help Georgian Republicans get elected. And since that time he regularly attacks republicans he has deems disloyal. And of course we have the 2020 election denial nonsense. The idea that he'll play nice if he loses the primary is very much in doubt.
He was asked not to help, remember?
You (and many others here & elsewhere) wanted him to disappear, remember?

Facts are facts. While President, his support for party operations and candidates was strong. As a result, his support within the party is strong. He's played very good team ball, including with opposing factions, to include staying away when asked and playing nicely with establishment types and others who had harshly criticized him in the past. Reality is, there is nothing in his record to suggest that he will burn down the party or run third-party should he lose the nomination. Such would cost him influence and gain him nothing. Actually would increase the power of the people harassing him with lawfare.

Just pointing out the obvious = he's pragmatic and plays the party game well. No evidence at all that he will do what you fear, so perhaps your fears have more to do with campaign memes than reality.....


Trump pragmatic? My god man you've told some whoppers on this board before but that's got to be the biggest. His actions demonstrate the opposite of someone willing to deal with a matter reasonably and sensibly. He's a loose canon - the opposite of pragmatism.

As for being asked to stay away, he was not asked to stay away in GA in 2020. He was asked to help the candidates and he did pretty much nothing.

There's a reason people keep asking whether he will run third party. It's because there's plenty of evidence he could do so if he loses. He doesn't go down quietly as 2020 demonstrated and isn't willing to play nice when he loses. He'll burn it down if he loses. Wait and see.
The list of examples of his pragmatism in party politics is long. He played will with people who by your assessment he should have ground to dust - Cruz and Graham and etc.......appointed Mitch's wife to the cabinet, supported Romney's niece as party chair, endorsed McCarthy (an establishmentarian), etc.....

You (and many others) are imputing your own negative assessments about his character into an assertion which is flatly at odds with his time in office. If that is not the case, then show us. Show us where he slashed & burned just to slash & burn. Show us where someone inside the party willing to work cooperatively with him was roughed up for the sake of the blood & gore.

Ah, of course. No one gets hurt as long we "cooperate."
Quote:
In fact, according to sources close to the campaigns, people in and around the White House, including the president's lawyer former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, put near-constant pressure on the two Georgia Republicans, David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, to shape their runoff campaigns around his demands.

"It was a hostage situation every day," said one Republican strategist familiar with the campaigns who only agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity.

"We were always trying to guard against the tweet [from Trump]," the strategist said.

"Every week we had some new sort of demand," said another strategist involved with the campaigns. "Calling for the hand recount. The signature match. A special session. $2,000 [coronavirus relief] checks. Objecting to the electors."

"It was, 'If you do not do this, the president will actively work against you and you will lose,' " he recalled.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/29/961837774/a-hostage-situation-every-day-strategists-blame-trump-for-georgia-senate-losses
You've never been involved in politics, apparently. Hint: Part in bold is how everybody plays it.
But Trump will actually do it.
As will they all. He roughed up Ted Cruz as the primary wound down, but spun on a dime and played nicely when Ted came on board. And he never held prior comments against most of the GOP elected class. Worked very well with them.....supported them, etc.....

Perhaps no attack on Trump is more at odds with his actual record than this particular question.
Trump ran people out of office even though it cost Republicans several senate seats, see AZ, GA, and NH
nope.. Trump doesnt vote in any of those states. The voters did that, just like the voters elected Joe Biden.

The republicans cost those seats thru internal fighting during a time of ground swell towards replublicans. Unitl there is unity, the Dems will rule washington, its that simple. A split Dem party brought you Trump and now a split GOP brought you the current congress and Biden.
You die hard Trump guys are incredible.
  • He only delivers wins, if they lose it is the internal GOP. Damn RINOs...
  • His speech right before the mob stormed Congress for the 1st time since the War of 1812 had nothing to do with him.
  • Ryan/McConnell was why he couldn't get anything passed.
  • Mattis was a communist wimp
  • Bolden is a communist hating warhawk (ok true)
  • Pence did not do his duty on January 6th
  • The legal cases against him are unfair and unjust.
  • The election was stolen.
  • Cohen was lying.
  • Daniels made it up
  • The illegal classified documents in Ft Lauderdale was a set up

Come on, at some point you have to look in the mirror and say this may be a "Donald" problem. This is reading like the Caine Mutiny starring Donald Trump as CPT Quiqq sold out by treasonous and disloyal crew...
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In reply to whiterock • 2:10p, 3/20/23
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
For a very large and still growing part of the electorate, the divide isn't really Republicans vs Democrats. It's Us vs Them.

Will Trump endorse the Republican nominee for president in 2024?
Everything we've seen in his approach to party politics indicates he would, should it come to that.

the 3rd party thing, the "he'll blow it up if he doesn't control it" thing......that's neverTrumper projection, pure & simple. The Sheriff Bart routine is all they got, all day, every day....


It's remarkable how confident you are that Trump will play nice if he loses the primary. It's almost as if you're ignoring all evidence to the contrary. After he lost the 2020 election, he didn't do much of anything to help Georgian Republicans get elected. And since that time he regularly attacks republicans he has deems disloyal. And of course we have the 2020 election denial nonsense. The idea that he'll play nice if he loses the primary is very much in doubt.
He was asked not to help, remember?
You (and many others here & elsewhere) wanted him to disappear, remember?

Facts are facts. While President, his support for party operations and candidates was strong. As a result, his support within the party is strong. He's played very good team ball, including with opposing factions, to include staying away when asked and playing nicely with establishment types and others who had harshly criticized him in the past. Reality is, there is nothing in his record to suggest that he will burn down the party or run third-party should he lose the nomination. Such would cost him influence and gain him nothing. Actually would increase the power of the people harassing him with lawfare.

Just pointing out the obvious = he's pragmatic and plays the party game well. No evidence at all that he will do what you fear, so perhaps your fears have more to do with campaign memes than reality.....


Trump pragmatic? My god man you've told some whoppers on this board before but that's got to be the biggest. His actions demonstrate the opposite of someone willing to deal with a matter reasonably and sensibly. He's a loose canon - the opposite of pragmatism.

As for being asked to stay away, he was not asked to stay away in GA in 2020. He was asked to help the candidates and he did pretty much nothing.

There's a reason people keep asking whether he will run third party. It's because there's plenty of evidence he could do so if he loses. He doesn't go down quietly as 2020 demonstrated and isn't willing to play nice when he loses. He'll burn it down if he loses. Wait and see.
The list of examples of his pragmatism in party politics is long. He played will with people who by your assessment he should have ground to dust - Cruz and Graham and etc.......appointed Mitch's wife to the cabinet, supported Romney's niece as party chair, endorsed McCarthy (an establishmentarian), etc.....

You (and many others) are imputing your own negative assessments about his character into an assertion which is flatly at odds with his time in office. If that is not the case, then show us. Show us where he slashed & burned just to slash & burn. Show us where someone inside the party willing to work cooperatively with him was roughed up for the sake of the blood & gore.

Ah, of course. No one gets hurt as long we "cooperate."
Quote:
In fact, according to sources close to the campaigns, people in and around the White House, including the president's lawyer former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, put near-constant pressure on the two Georgia Republicans, David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, to shape their runoff campaigns around his demands.

"It was a hostage situation every day," said one Republican strategist familiar with the campaigns who only agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity.

"We were always trying to guard against the tweet [from Trump]," the strategist said.

"Every week we had some new sort of demand," said another strategist involved with the campaigns. "Calling for the hand recount. The signature match. A special session. $2,000 [coronavirus relief] checks. Objecting to the electors."

"It was, 'If you do not do this, the president will actively work against you and you will lose,' " he recalled.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/29/961837774/a-hostage-situation-every-day-strategists-blame-trump-for-georgia-senate-losses
You've never been involved in politics, apparently. Hint: Part in bold is how everybody plays it.
But Trump will actually do it.
As will they all. He roughed up Ted Cruz as the primary wound down, but spun on a dime and played nicely when Ted came on board. And he never held prior comments against most of the GOP elected class. Worked very well with them.....supported them, etc.....

Perhaps no attack on Trump is more at odds with his actual record than this particular question.

Why would he go scorched earth after the primary? He won. It's when he doesn't get what he wants that people worry about him. And they do worry. I think you're in a bit of denial about that.

Here we see Sam implying that party loyalty happens organically, with no carrot & stick play at all.

Sigh%85.
I don't care what he said about Cruz or DeSantis. I understand that's part of the game. But when the Senate's at stake and he tells people not to vote, you're telling me that's par for the course?

Sigh. He didn't say that.

"If we don't solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in '22 or '24. It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do.."

He's making the obvious conclusion: if Republican leaders do not support election reforms, Republican voters (who do by wide margins distrust blue state election shenanigans) will give up on elections. That's not a request. It's reality.


Looks like I misremembered. It was Sidney Powell and Lin Wood who told people not to vote. You have to remember, though, that when Trump talks about solving 2020 he's not talking only, or even primarily, about legislative reforms going forward. He was demanding a special session to overturn the results and give Georgia a "do over," something he knew or should have known was never going to happen. He later admitted that his message was unclear because of his anger over 2020, but instead of changing it he doubled down in 2022--with predictable results. I still maintain this is not normal behavior. Even with every benefit of the doubt, it's unhinged at best. And let's not gloss over the most important fact here. If his prediction is accurate and Republicans don't vote in 2024, it will be in large part because of the fear and resentment that he insists on spreading.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 2:30p, 3/20/23
RMF5630 said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
For a very large and still growing part of the electorate, the divide isn't really Republicans vs Democrats. It's Us vs Them.

Will Trump endorse the Republican nominee for president in 2024?
Everything we've seen in his approach to party politics indicates he would, should it come to that.

the 3rd party thing, the "he'll blow it up if he doesn't control it" thing......that's neverTrumper projection, pure & simple. The Sheriff Bart routine is all they got, all day, every day....


It's remarkable how confident you are that Trump will play nice if he loses the primary. It's almost as if you're ignoring all evidence to the contrary. After he lost the 2020 election, he didn't do much of anything to help Georgian Republicans get elected. And since that time he regularly attacks republicans he has deems disloyal. And of course we have the 2020 election denial nonsense. The idea that he'll play nice if he loses the primary is very much in doubt.
He was asked not to help, remember?
You (and many others here & elsewhere) wanted him to disappear, remember?

Facts are facts. While President, his support for party operations and candidates was strong. As a result, his support within the party is strong. He's played very good team ball, including with opposing factions, to include staying away when asked and playing nicely with establishment types and others who had harshly criticized him in the past. Reality is, there is nothing in his record to suggest that he will burn down the party or run third-party should he lose the nomination. Such would cost him influence and gain him nothing. Actually would increase the power of the people harassing him with lawfare.

Just pointing out the obvious = he's pragmatic and plays the party game well. No evidence at all that he will do what you fear, so perhaps your fears have more to do with campaign memes than reality.....


Trump pragmatic? My god man you've told some whoppers on this board before but that's got to be the biggest. His actions demonstrate the opposite of someone willing to deal with a matter reasonably and sensibly. He's a loose canon - the opposite of pragmatism.

As for being asked to stay away, he was not asked to stay away in GA in 2020. He was asked to help the candidates and he did pretty much nothing.

There's a reason people keep asking whether he will run third party. It's because there's plenty of evidence he could do so if he loses. He doesn't go down quietly as 2020 demonstrated and isn't willing to play nice when he loses. He'll burn it down if he loses. Wait and see.
The list of examples of his pragmatism in party politics is long. He played will with people who by your assessment he should have ground to dust - Cruz and Graham and etc.......appointed Mitch's wife to the cabinet, supported Romney's niece as party chair, endorsed McCarthy (an establishmentarian), etc.....

You (and many others) are imputing your own negative assessments about his character into an assertion which is flatly at odds with his time in office. If that is not the case, then show us. Show us where he slashed & burned just to slash & burn. Show us where someone inside the party willing to work cooperatively with him was roughed up for the sake of the blood & gore.

Ah, of course. No one gets hurt as long we "cooperate."
Quote:
In fact, according to sources close to the campaigns, people in and around the White House, including the president's lawyer former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, put near-constant pressure on the two Georgia Republicans, David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, to shape their runoff campaigns around his demands.

"It was a hostage situation every day," said one Republican strategist familiar with the campaigns who only agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity.

"We were always trying to guard against the tweet [from Trump]," the strategist said.

"Every week we had some new sort of demand," said another strategist involved with the campaigns. "Calling for the hand recount. The signature match. A special session. $2,000 [coronavirus relief] checks. Objecting to the electors."

"It was, 'If you do not do this, the president will actively work against you and you will lose,' " he recalled.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/29/961837774/a-hostage-situation-every-day-strategists-blame-trump-for-georgia-senate-losses
You've never been involved in politics, apparently. Hint: Part in bold is how everybody plays it.
But Trump will actually do it.
As will they all. He roughed up Ted Cruz as the primary wound down, but spun on a dime and played nicely when Ted came on board. And he never held prior comments against most of the GOP elected class. Worked very well with them.....supported them, etc.....

Perhaps no attack on Trump is more at odds with his actual record than this particular question.
Trump ran people out of office even though it cost Republicans several senate seats, see AZ, GA, and NH
nope.. Trump doesnt vote in any of those states. The voters did that, just like the voters elected Joe Biden.

The republicans cost those seats thru internal fighting during a time of ground swell towards replublicans. Unitl there is unity, the Dems will rule washington, its that simple. A split Dem party brought you Trump and now a split GOP brought you the current congress and Biden.
You die hard Trump guys are incredible.
  • He only delivers wins, if they lose it is the internal GOP. Damn RINOs...
  • His speech right before the mob stormed Congress for the 1st time since the War of 1812 had nothing to do with him.
  • Ryan/McConnell was why he couldn't get anything passed.
  • Mattis was a communist wimp
  • Bolden is a communist hating warhawk (ok true)
  • Pence did not do his duty on January 6th
  • The legal cases against him are unfair and unjust.
  • The election was stolen.
  • Cohen was lying.
  • Daniels made it up
  • The illegal classified documents in Ft Lauderdale was a set up

Come on, at some point you have to look in the mirror and say this may be a "Donald" problem. This is reading like the Caine Mutiny starring Donald Trump as CPT Quiqq sold out by treasonous and disloyal crew...
Next people will criticize Trump for having sex with a porn star while his 3rd wife was pregnant, and then paid her off to keep silent.
What's the Republican Party coming to?
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In reply to Osodecentx • 2:53p, 3/20/23
Osodecentx said:
RMF5630 said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
For a very large and still growing part of the electorate, the divide isn't really Republicans vs Democrats. It's Us vs Them.

Will Trump endorse the Republican nominee for president in 2024?
Everything we've seen in his approach to party politics indicates he would, should it come to that.

the 3rd party thing, the "he'll blow it up if he doesn't control it" thing......that's neverTrumper projection, pure & simple. The Sheriff Bart routine is all they got, all day, every day....


It's remarkable how confident you are that Trump will play nice if he loses the primary. It's almost as if you're ignoring all evidence to the contrary. After he lost the 2020 election, he didn't do much of anything to help Georgian Republicans get elected. And since that time he regularly attacks republicans he has deems disloyal. And of course we have the 2020 election denial nonsense. The idea that he'll play nice if he loses the primary is very much in doubt.
He was asked not to help, remember?
You (and many others here & elsewhere) wanted him to disappear, remember?

Facts are facts. While President, his support for party operations and candidates was strong. As a result, his support within the party is strong. He's played very good team ball, including with opposing factions, to include staying away when asked and playing nicely with establishment types and others who had harshly criticized him in the past. Reality is, there is nothing in his record to suggest that he will burn down the party or run third-party should he lose the nomination. Such would cost him influence and gain him nothing. Actually would increase the power of the people harassing him with lawfare.

Just pointing out the obvious = he's pragmatic and plays the party game well. No evidence at all that he will do what you fear, so perhaps your fears have more to do with campaign memes than reality.....


Trump pragmatic? My god man you've told some whoppers on this board before but that's got to be the biggest. His actions demonstrate the opposite of someone willing to deal with a matter reasonably and sensibly. He's a loose canon - the opposite of pragmatism.

As for being asked to stay away, he was not asked to stay away in GA in 2020. He was asked to help the candidates and he did pretty much nothing.

There's a reason people keep asking whether he will run third party. It's because there's plenty of evidence he could do so if he loses. He doesn't go down quietly as 2020 demonstrated and isn't willing to play nice when he loses. He'll burn it down if he loses. Wait and see.
The list of examples of his pragmatism in party politics is long. He played will with people who by your assessment he should have ground to dust - Cruz and Graham and etc.......appointed Mitch's wife to the cabinet, supported Romney's niece as party chair, endorsed McCarthy (an establishmentarian), etc.....

You (and many others) are imputing your own negative assessments about his character into an assertion which is flatly at odds with his time in office. If that is not the case, then show us. Show us where he slashed & burned just to slash & burn. Show us where someone inside the party willing to work cooperatively with him was roughed up for the sake of the blood & gore.

Ah, of course. No one gets hurt as long we "cooperate."
Quote:
In fact, according to sources close to the campaigns, people in and around the White House, including the president's lawyer former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, put near-constant pressure on the two Georgia Republicans, David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, to shape their runoff campaigns around his demands.

"It was a hostage situation every day," said one Republican strategist familiar with the campaigns who only agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity.

"We were always trying to guard against the tweet [from Trump]," the strategist said.

"Every week we had some new sort of demand," said another strategist involved with the campaigns. "Calling for the hand recount. The signature match. A special session. $2,000 [coronavirus relief] checks. Objecting to the electors."

"It was, 'If you do not do this, the president will actively work against you and you will lose,' " he recalled.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/29/961837774/a-hostage-situation-every-day-strategists-blame-trump-for-georgia-senate-losses
You've never been involved in politics, apparently. Hint: Part in bold is how everybody plays it.
But Trump will actually do it.
As will they all. He roughed up Ted Cruz as the primary wound down, but spun on a dime and played nicely when Ted came on board. And he never held prior comments against most of the GOP elected class. Worked very well with them.....supported them, etc.....

Perhaps no attack on Trump is more at odds with his actual record than this particular question.
Trump ran people out of office even though it cost Republicans several senate seats, see AZ, GA, and NH
nope.. Trump doesnt vote in any of those states. The voters did that, just like the voters elected Joe Biden.

The republicans cost those seats thru internal fighting during a time of ground swell towards replublicans. Unitl there is unity, the Dems will rule washington, its that simple. A split Dem party brought you Trump and now a split GOP brought you the current congress and Biden.
You die hard Trump guys are incredible.
  • He only delivers wins, if they lose it is the internal GOP. Damn RINOs...
  • His speech right before the mob stormed Congress for the 1st time since the War of 1812 had nothing to do with him.
  • Ryan/McConnell was why he couldn't get anything passed.
  • Mattis was a communist wimp
  • Bolden is a communist hating warhawk (ok true)
  • Pence did not do his duty on January 6th
  • The legal cases against him are unfair and unjust.
  • The election was stolen.
  • Cohen was lying.
  • Daniels made it up
  • The illegal classified documents in Ft Lauderdale was a set up

Come on, at some point you have to look in the mirror and say this may be a "Donald" problem. This is reading like the Caine Mutiny starring Donald Trump as CPT Quiqq sold out by treasonous and disloyal crew...
Next people will criticize Trump for having sex with a porn star while his 3rd wife was pregnant, and then paid her off to keep silent.
What's the Republican Party coming to?
No one is supposed to know...
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 3:07p, 3/20/23
RMF5630 said:
Osodecentx said:
RMF5630 said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
For a very large and still growing part of the electorate, the divide isn't really Republicans vs Democrats. It's Us vs Them.

Will Trump endorse the Republican nominee for president in 2024?
Everything we've seen in his approach to party politics indicates he would, should it come to that.

the 3rd party thing, the "he'll blow it up if he doesn't control it" thing......that's neverTrumper projection, pure & simple. The Sheriff Bart routine is all they got, all day, every day....


It's remarkable how confident you are that Trump will play nice if he loses the primary. It's almost as if you're ignoring all evidence to the contrary. After he lost the 2020 election, he didn't do much of anything to help Georgian Republicans get elected. And since that time he regularly attacks republicans he has deems disloyal. And of course we have the 2020 election denial nonsense. The idea that he'll play nice if he loses the primary is very much in doubt.
He was asked not to help, remember?
You (and many others here & elsewhere) wanted him to disappear, remember?

Facts are facts. While President, his support for party operations and candidates was strong. As a result, his support within the party is strong. He's played very good team ball, including with opposing factions, to include staying away when asked and playing nicely with establishment types and others who had harshly criticized him in the past. Reality is, there is nothing in his record to suggest that he will burn down the party or run third-party should he lose the nomination. Such would cost him influence and gain him nothing. Actually would increase the power of the people harassing him with lawfare.

Just pointing out the obvious = he's pragmatic and plays the party game well. No evidence at all that he will do what you fear, so perhaps your fears have more to do with campaign memes than reality.....


Trump pragmatic? My god man you've told some whoppers on this board before but that's got to be the biggest. His actions demonstrate the opposite of someone willing to deal with a matter reasonably and sensibly. He's a loose canon - the opposite of pragmatism.

As for being asked to stay away, he was not asked to stay away in GA in 2020. He was asked to help the candidates and he did pretty much nothing.

There's a reason people keep asking whether he will run third party. It's because there's plenty of evidence he could do so if he loses. He doesn't go down quietly as 2020 demonstrated and isn't willing to play nice when he loses. He'll burn it down if he loses. Wait and see.
The list of examples of his pragmatism in party politics is long. He played will with people who by your assessment he should have ground to dust - Cruz and Graham and etc.......appointed Mitch's wife to the cabinet, supported Romney's niece as party chair, endorsed McCarthy (an establishmentarian), etc.....

You (and many others) are imputing your own negative assessments about his character into an assertion which is flatly at odds with his time in office. If that is not the case, then show us. Show us where he slashed & burned just to slash & burn. Show us where someone inside the party willing to work cooperatively with him was roughed up for the sake of the blood & gore.

Ah, of course. No one gets hurt as long we "cooperate."
Quote:
In fact, according to sources close to the campaigns, people in and around the White House, including the president's lawyer former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, put near-constant pressure on the two Georgia Republicans, David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, to shape their runoff campaigns around his demands.

"It was a hostage situation every day," said one Republican strategist familiar with the campaigns who only agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity.

"We were always trying to guard against the tweet [from Trump]," the strategist said.

"Every week we had some new sort of demand," said another strategist involved with the campaigns. "Calling for the hand recount. The signature match. A special session. $2,000 [coronavirus relief] checks. Objecting to the electors."

"It was, 'If you do not do this, the president will actively work against you and you will lose,' " he recalled.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/29/961837774/a-hostage-situation-every-day-strategists-blame-trump-for-georgia-senate-losses
You've never been involved in politics, apparently. Hint: Part in bold is how everybody plays it.
But Trump will actually do it.
As will they all. He roughed up Ted Cruz as the primary wound down, but spun on a dime and played nicely when Ted came on board. And he never held prior comments against most of the GOP elected class. Worked very well with them.....supported them, etc.....

Perhaps no attack on Trump is more at odds with his actual record than this particular question.
Trump ran people out of office even though it cost Republicans several senate seats, see AZ, GA, and NH
nope.. Trump doesnt vote in any of those states. The voters did that, just like the voters elected Joe Biden.

The republicans cost those seats thru internal fighting during a time of ground swell towards replublicans. Unitl there is unity, the Dems will rule washington, its that simple. A split Dem party brought you Trump and now a split GOP brought you the current congress and Biden.
You die hard Trump guys are incredible.
  • He only delivers wins, if they lose it is the internal GOP. Damn RINOs...
  • His speech right before the mob stormed Congress for the 1st time since the War of 1812 had nothing to do with him.
  • Ryan/McConnell was why he couldn't get anything passed.
  • Mattis was a communist wimp
  • Bolden is a communist hating warhawk (ok true)
  • Pence did not do his duty on January 6th
  • The legal cases against him are unfair and unjust.
  • The election was stolen.
  • Cohen was lying.
  • Daniels made it up
  • The illegal classified documents in Ft Lauderdale was a set up

Come on, at some point you have to look in the mirror and say this may be a "Donald" problem. This is reading like the Caine Mutiny starring Donald Trump as CPT Quiqq sold out by treasonous and disloyal crew...
Next people will criticize Trump for having sex with a porn star while his 3rd wife was pregnant, and then paid her off to keep silent.
What's the Republican Party coming to?
No one is supposed to know...
Oh right, the hush money ....
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Osodecentx said:
RMF5630 said:
Osodecentx said:
RMF5630 said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
For a very large and still growing part of the electorate, the divide isn't really Republicans vs Democrats. It's Us vs Them.

Will Trump endorse the Republican nominee for president in 2024?
Everything we've seen in his approach to party politics indicates he would, should it come to that.

the 3rd party thing, the "he'll blow it up if he doesn't control it" thing......that's neverTrumper projection, pure & simple. The Sheriff Bart routine is all they got, all day, every day....


It's remarkable how confident you are that Trump will play nice if he loses the primary. It's almost as if you're ignoring all evidence to the contrary. After he lost the 2020 election, he didn't do much of anything to help Georgian Republicans get elected. And since that time he regularly attacks republicans he has deems disloyal. And of course we have the 2020 election denial nonsense. The idea that he'll play nice if he loses the primary is very much in doubt.
He was asked not to help, remember?
You (and many others here & elsewhere) wanted him to disappear, remember?

Facts are facts. While President, his support for party operations and candidates was strong. As a result, his support within the party is strong. He's played very good team ball, including with opposing factions, to include staying away when asked and playing nicely with establishment types and others who had harshly criticized him in the past. Reality is, there is nothing in his record to suggest that he will burn down the party or run third-party should he lose the nomination. Such would cost him influence and gain him nothing. Actually would increase the power of the people harassing him with lawfare.

Just pointing out the obvious = he's pragmatic and plays the party game well. No evidence at all that he will do what you fear, so perhaps your fears have more to do with campaign memes than reality.....


Trump pragmatic? My god man you've told some whoppers on this board before but that's got to be the biggest. His actions demonstrate the opposite of someone willing to deal with a matter reasonably and sensibly. He's a loose canon - the opposite of pragmatism.

As for being asked to stay away, he was not asked to stay away in GA in 2020. He was asked to help the candidates and he did pretty much nothing.

There's a reason people keep asking whether he will run third party. It's because there's plenty of evidence he could do so if he loses. He doesn't go down quietly as 2020 demonstrated and isn't willing to play nice when he loses. He'll burn it down if he loses. Wait and see.
The list of examples of his pragmatism in party politics is long. He played will with people who by your assessment he should have ground to dust - Cruz and Graham and etc.......appointed Mitch's wife to the cabinet, supported Romney's niece as party chair, endorsed McCarthy (an establishmentarian), etc.....

You (and many others) are imputing your own negative assessments about his character into an assertion which is flatly at odds with his time in office. If that is not the case, then show us. Show us where he slashed & burned just to slash & burn. Show us where someone inside the party willing to work cooperatively with him was roughed up for the sake of the blood & gore.

Ah, of course. No one gets hurt as long we "cooperate."
Quote:
In fact, according to sources close to the campaigns, people in and around the White House, including the president's lawyer former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, put near-constant pressure on the two Georgia Republicans, David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, to shape their runoff campaigns around his demands.

"It was a hostage situation every day," said one Republican strategist familiar with the campaigns who only agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity.

"We were always trying to guard against the tweet [from Trump]," the strategist said.

"Every week we had some new sort of demand," said another strategist involved with the campaigns. "Calling for the hand recount. The signature match. A special session. $2,000 [coronavirus relief] checks. Objecting to the electors."

"It was, 'If you do not do this, the president will actively work against you and you will lose,' " he recalled.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/29/961837774/a-hostage-situation-every-day-strategists-blame-trump-for-georgia-senate-losses
You've never been involved in politics, apparently. Hint: Part in bold is how everybody plays it.
But Trump will actually do it.
As will they all. He roughed up Ted Cruz as the primary wound down, but spun on a dime and played nicely when Ted came on board. And he never held prior comments against most of the GOP elected class. Worked very well with them.....supported them, etc.....

Perhaps no attack on Trump is more at odds with his actual record than this particular question.
Trump ran people out of office even though it cost Republicans several senate seats, see AZ, GA, and NH
nope.. Trump doesnt vote in any of those states. The voters did that, just like the voters elected Joe Biden.

The republicans cost those seats thru internal fighting during a time of ground swell towards replublicans. Unitl there is unity, the Dems will rule washington, its that simple. A split Dem party brought you Trump and now a split GOP brought you the current congress and Biden.
You die hard Trump guys are incredible.
  • He only delivers wins, if they lose it is the internal GOP. Damn RINOs...
  • His speech right before the mob stormed Congress for the 1st time since the War of 1812 had nothing to do with him.
  • Ryan/McConnell was why he couldn't get anything passed.
  • Mattis was a communist wimp
  • Bolden is a communist hating warhawk (ok true)
  • Pence did not do his duty on January 6th
  • The legal cases against him are unfair and unjust.
  • The election was stolen.
  • Cohen was lying.
  • Daniels made it up
  • The illegal classified documents in Ft Lauderdale was a set up

Come on, at some point you have to look in the mirror and say this may be a "Donald" problem. This is reading like the Caine Mutiny starring Donald Trump as CPT Quiqq sold out by treasonous and disloyal crew...
Next people will criticize Trump for having sex with a porn star while his 3rd wife was pregnant, and then paid her off to keep silent.
What's the Republican Party coming to?
No one is supposed to know...
Oh right, the hush money ....
That this clown is the front runner for the GOP Nomination says all you need to know about the state of US politics. He shouldn't be able to get on a City Council, never mind President.
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I see the Pharisees are in full bloom today ...
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In reply to whiterock • 5:08p, 3/20/23
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
For a very large and still growing part of the electorate, the divide isn't really Republicans vs Democrats. It's Us vs Them.

Will Trump endorse the Republican nominee for president in 2024?
Everything we've seen in his approach to party politics indicates he would, should it come to that.

the 3rd party thing, the "he'll blow it up if he doesn't control it" thing......that's neverTrumper projection, pure & simple. The Sheriff Bart routine is all they got, all day, every day....


It's remarkable how confident you are that Trump will play nice if he loses the primary. It's almost as if you're ignoring all evidence to the contrary. After he lost the 2020 election, he didn't do much of anything to help Georgian Republicans get elected. And since that time he regularly attacks republicans he has deems disloyal. And of course we have the 2020 election denial nonsense. The idea that he'll play nice if he loses the primary is very much in doubt.
He was asked not to help, remember?
You (and many others here & elsewhere) wanted him to disappear, remember?

Facts are facts. While President, his support for party operations and candidates was strong. As a result, his support within the party is strong. He's played very good team ball, including with opposing factions, to include staying away when asked and playing nicely with establishment types and others who had harshly criticized him in the past. Reality is, there is nothing in his record to suggest that he will burn down the party or run third-party should he lose the nomination. Such would cost him influence and gain him nothing. Actually would increase the power of the people harassing him with lawfare.

Just pointing out the obvious = he's pragmatic and plays the party game well. No evidence at all that he will do what you fear, so perhaps your fears have more to do with campaign memes than reality.....


Trump pragmatic? My god man you've told some whoppers on this board before but that's got to be the biggest. His actions demonstrate the opposite of someone willing to deal with a matter reasonably and sensibly. He's a loose canon - the opposite of pragmatism.

As for being asked to stay away, he was not asked to stay away in GA in 2020. He was asked to help the candidates and he did pretty much nothing.

There's a reason people keep asking whether he will run third party. It's because there's plenty of evidence he could do so if he loses. He doesn't go down quietly as 2020 demonstrated and isn't willing to play nice when he loses. He'll burn it down if he loses. Wait and see.
The list of examples of his pragmatism in party politics is long. He played will with people who by your assessment he should have ground to dust - Cruz and Graham and etc.......appointed Mitch's wife to the cabinet, supported Romney's niece as party chair, endorsed McCarthy (an establishmentarian), etc.....

You (and many others) are imputing your own negative assessments about his character into an assertion which is flatly at odds with his time in office. If that is not the case, then show us. Show us where he slashed & burned just to slash & burn. Show us where someone inside the party willing to work cooperatively with him was roughed up for the sake of the blood & gore.



You mean he played nice with people who sucked up to him after he won the election? Who would've thunk it?

The fact you had to answer "probably" regarding whether he would endorse the Republican nominee says all one needs to know about Trump. If he loses, he will turn quickly on his own. Watch.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 7:29p, 3/20/23
"This is reading like the Caine Mutiny starring Donald Trump as CPT Quiqq sold out by treasonous and disloyal crew..."

This sounds like you missed the last ten minutes of the movie ...

Btw, do you even know what the specific charge is, and how much wriggling the DA would have to do to satisfy the Statute of Limitations, let alone the defined charge?

And just a reminder, the FEC reviewed this matter years ago and said there was no criminal offense.

But you'll say they are 'Trumpists', I guess ...
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 8:43p, 3/20/23
Oldbear83 said:
"This is reading like the Caine Mutiny starring Donald Trump as CPT Quiqq sold out by treasonous and disloyal crew..."

This sounds like you missed the last ten minutes of the movie ...

Btw, do you even know what the specific charge is, and how much wriggling the DA would have to do to satisfy the Statute of Limitations, let alone the defined charge?

And just a reminder, the FEC reviewed this matter years ago and said there was no criminal offense.

But you'll say they are 'Trumpists', I guess ...


No, seen several times. Read book too... In 2016-19 when people could have helped him and he would have listened, they didn't and worked against him.

The 2023 mess of paranoia, hate and distrust the Trump is now, was not all of his making. That doesn't change fact in the end Quig/Trump is not competent enough to ru the ship.Quigg in the end was broken, just like Trump. I think it is sad. Doesn't change the monster he is now, but still sad.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 8:55p, 3/20/23
RMF5630 said:
Oldbear83 said:
"This is reading like the Caine Mutiny starring Donald Trump as CPT Quiqq sold out by treasonous and disloyal crew..."

This sounds like you missed the last ten minutes of the movie ...

Btw, do you even know what the specific charge is, and how much wriggling the DA would have to do to satisfy the Statute of Limitations, let alone the defined charge?

And just a reminder, the FEC reviewed this matter years ago and said there was no criminal offense.

But you'll say they are 'Trumpists', I guess ...


No, seen several times. Read book too... In 2016-19 when people could have helped him and he would have listened, they didn't and worked against him.

The 2023 mess of paranoia, hate and distrust the Trump is now, was not all of his making. That doesn't change fact in the end Quig/Trump is not competent enough to ru the ship.Quigg in the end was broken, just like Trump. I think it is sad. Doesn't change the monster he is now, but still sad.
Yep.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 8:56p, 3/20/23
"No, seen several times. "

In the movie, Queeg was the victim of disloyal officers who refused to help and support him when they should have. The defense lawyer made that plain. He also made clear that each of those officers were in the Navy for personal gain, while Queeg served when it was unfashionable and offered no personal gain. Queeg hurt himself at the court-martial, but the truth was not served and in the end that was made clear.

You chose a poor analogy, sir.

It is telling how the Trump haters ignore the poor morals of Democrats but go after Trump to the point of exaggerating his sins and embracing every claim against him, even the lies, in hopes he will cow to them and go away.

I don't want Trump to win the GOP nomination for 2024. But the deliberate disrespect for his work and the sheer spite shown his base by the Republicans, is damnable.


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In reply to Oldbear83 • 9:44p, 3/20/23
Oldbear83 said:
"No, seen several times. "

In the movie, Queeg was the victim of disloyal officers who refused to help and support him when they should have. The defense lawyer made that plain. He also made clear that each of those officers were in the Navy for personal gain, while Queeg served when it was unfashionable and offered no personal gain. Queeg hurt himself at the court-martial, but the truth was not served and in the end that was made clear.

You chose a poor analogy, sir.

It is telling how the Trump haters ignore the poor morals of Democrats but go after Trump to the point of exaggerating his sins and embracing every claim against him, even the lies, in hopes he will cow to them and go away.

I don't want Trump to win the GOP nomination for 2024. But the deliberate disrespect for his work and the sheer spite shown his base by the Republicans, is damnable.


All of this is true, yet I am still perplexed by one major omission.....Who ate the Strawberries?
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 7:44a, 3/21/23
RMF5630 said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:

You've never been involved in politics, apparently. Hint: Part in bold is how everybody plays it.
But Trump will actually do it.
As will they all. He roughed up Ted Cruz as the primary wound down, but spun on a dime and played nicely when Ted came on board. And he never held prior comments against most of the GOP elected class. Worked very well with them.....supported them, etc.....

Perhaps no attack on Trump is more at odds with his actual record than this particular question.
Trump ran people out of office even though it cost Republicans several senate seats, see AZ, GA, and NH
nope.. Trump doesnt vote in any of those states. The voters did that, just like the voters elected Joe Biden.

The republicans cost those seats thru internal fighting during a time of ground swell towards replublicans. Unitl there is unity, the Dems will rule washington, its that simple. A split Dem party brought you Trump and now a split GOP brought you the current congress and Biden.
You die hard Trump guys are incredible.
  • He only delivers wins, if they lose it is the internal GOP. Damn RINOs...
  • His speech right before the mob stormed Congress for the 1st time since the War of 1812 had nothing to do with him.
  • Ryan/McConnell was why he couldn't get anything passed.
  • Mattis was a communist wimp
  • Bolden is a communist hating warhawk (ok true)
  • Pence did not do his duty on January 6th
  • The legal cases against him are unfair and unjust.
  • The election was stolen.
  • Cohen was lying.
  • Daniels made it up
  • The illegal classified documents in Ft Lauderdale was a set up

Come on, at some point you have to look in the mirror and say this may be a "Donald" problem. This is reading like the Caine Mutiny starring Donald Trump as CPT Quiqq sold out by treasonous and disloyal crew...
4th is hardly a "die hard Trump" guy. Neither am I.

Don't fall into the Mothra trap. Pointing out that (at this point), the nomination is an uphill climb for RDS is not support or opposition. It's just a sound reading of the landscape.

Trump is not going to step away. He's not going to fade away. He's going to have to be defeated. And that will not be easy. Knocking off an incumbent is never easy.
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In reply to Mothra • 7:47a, 3/21/23
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
For a very large and still growing part of the electorate, the divide isn't really Republicans vs Democrats. It's Us vs Them.

Will Trump endorse the Republican nominee for president in 2024?
Everything we've seen in his approach to party politics indicates he would, should it come to that.

the 3rd party thing, the "he'll blow it up if he doesn't control it" thing......that's neverTrumper projection, pure & simple. The Sheriff Bart routine is all they got, all day, every day....


It's remarkable how confident you are that Trump will play nice if he loses the primary. It's almost as if you're ignoring all evidence to the contrary. After he lost the 2020 election, he didn't do much of anything to help Georgian Republicans get elected. And since that time he regularly attacks republicans he has deems disloyal. And of course we have the 2020 election denial nonsense. The idea that he'll play nice if he loses the primary is very much in doubt.
He was asked not to help, remember?
You (and many others here & elsewhere) wanted him to disappear, remember?

Facts are facts. While President, his support for party operations and candidates was strong. As a result, his support within the party is strong. He's played very good team ball, including with opposing factions, to include staying away when asked and playing nicely with establishment types and others who had harshly criticized him in the past. Reality is, there is nothing in his record to suggest that he will burn down the party or run third-party should he lose the nomination. Such would cost him influence and gain him nothing. Actually would increase the power of the people harassing him with lawfare.

Just pointing out the obvious = he's pragmatic and plays the party game well. No evidence at all that he will do what you fear, so perhaps your fears have more to do with campaign memes than reality.....


Trump pragmatic? My god man you've told some whoppers on this board before but that's got to be the biggest. His actions demonstrate the opposite of someone willing to deal with a matter reasonably and sensibly. He's a loose canon - the opposite of pragmatism.

As for being asked to stay away, he was not asked to stay away in GA in 2020. He was asked to help the candidates and he did pretty much nothing.

There's a reason people keep asking whether he will run third party. It's because there's plenty of evidence he could do so if he loses. He doesn't go down quietly as 2020 demonstrated and isn't willing to play nice when he loses. He'll burn it down if he loses. Wait and see.
The list of examples of his pragmatism in party politics is long. He played will with people who by your assessment he should have ground to dust - Cruz and Graham and etc.......appointed Mitch's wife to the cabinet, supported Romney's niece as party chair, endorsed McCarthy (an establishmentarian), etc.....

You (and many others) are imputing your own negative assessments about his character into an assertion which is flatly at odds with his time in office. If that is not the case, then show us. Show us where he slashed & burned just to slash & burn. Show us where someone inside the party willing to work cooperatively with him was roughed up for the sake of the blood & gore.



You mean he played nice with people who sucked up to him after he won the election? Who would've thunk it?
you know, there is a reason we have elections......we fight like hell over nominees, then we get behind the winner. (idea)

The fact you had to answer "probably" regarding whether he would endorse the Republican nominee says all one needs to know about Trump. If he loses, he will turn quickly on his own. Watch.
You know, we will know conclusively if that happens or not in about 12 months.

And team Trump hopes you keep making that statement. It will likely drive more votes to him than away from him. (very self defeating point to be making, Mothra......)
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 8:19a, 3/21/23
Oldbear83 said:
"No, seen several times. "

In the movie, Queeg was the victim of disloyal officers who refused to help and support him when they should have. The defense lawyer made that plain. He also made clear that each of those officers were in the Navy for personal gain, while Queeg served when it was unfashionable and offered no personal gain. Queeg hurt himself at the court-martial, but the truth was not served and in the end that was made clear.

You chose a poor analogy, sir.

It is telling how the Trump haters ignore the poor morals of Democrats but go after Trump to the point of exaggerating his sins and embracing every claim against him, even the lies, in hopes he will cow to them and go away.

I don't want Trump to win the GOP nomination for 2024. But the deliberate disrespect for his work and the sheer spite shown his base by the Republicans, is damnable.


I disagree.

Trump is also a victim. Of a Democrat Congressional Leadership that would not work with him. Ryan and his crowd not willing to work with him. The media attacking him constantly. And, Foreign Leaders that treated him as a not being worthy of being there. In the end, it fed Trump's paranoia and ego to create what we see today. At the end of the day or book, both Trump and Quigg were broken and incompetent.

If you want to dig further into the Wouk book. Trump also served when not fashionable and got little credit, look at his investments and developments in the 70's and 80's. Even Atlantic City was a Quixote like attempt to bring life back to the Boardwalk. The Wollman Skating Park in Central Park. Riverside South. 40 Wall Street. All were instrumental developments that he gets little credit. There was a time, similar to Quigg, when Donald was the only one betting on NY and taking the time, money and risk to develop it. Before he became a Cartoon character. So, yeah he put in his time.

And as for Quigg hurting himself. Trump NEVER did that. Not from Election Day until January 6th. He was the standard bearer for not hurting himself in the media!!! Trump has done nothing BUT hurt himself with his tweets, speeches, and frivolous accusations that can't be proved. As for the truth being served, I agree the truth was not served for either because their personality flaws came out under pressure.

As for your last points, we are 100% in agreement. It is damnable and it is sad. Both Quigg and Trump had the makings to do well, if they had the support. Neither got it. This is not the 2015 Quixote-ish Trump, this is the Trump looking for who stole the strawberries.

No, it is a very good analogy, sir. Trump is broken. Whether it is all his fault or a victim doesn't matter. Like Quigg he needs to retire, not be put in charge. You are a bit blind when looking at Trump, not a big deal as we all have our biases.

Read a little about his past. He was a great developer. Wish he stuck to it...

https://nypost.com/2016/02/07/how-donald-trump-helped-save-new-york-city/
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In reply to whiterock • 9:58a, 3/21/23
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
For a very large and still growing part of the electorate, the divide isn't really Republicans vs Democrats. It's Us vs Them.

Will Trump endorse the Republican nominee for president in 2024?
Everything we've seen in his approach to party politics indicates he would, should it come to that.

the 3rd party thing, the "he'll blow it up if he doesn't control it" thing......that's neverTrumper projection, pure & simple. The Sheriff Bart routine is all they got, all day, every day....


It's remarkable how confident you are that Trump will play nice if he loses the primary. It's almost as if you're ignoring all evidence to the contrary. After he lost the 2020 election, he didn't do much of anything to help Georgian Republicans get elected. And since that time he regularly attacks republicans he has deems disloyal. And of course we have the 2020 election denial nonsense. The idea that he'll play nice if he loses the primary is very much in doubt.
He was asked not to help, remember?
You (and many others here & elsewhere) wanted him to disappear, remember?

Facts are facts. While President, his support for party operations and candidates was strong. As a result, his support within the party is strong. He's played very good team ball, including with opposing factions, to include staying away when asked and playing nicely with establishment types and others who had harshly criticized him in the past. Reality is, there is nothing in his record to suggest that he will burn down the party or run third-party should he lose the nomination. Such would cost him influence and gain him nothing. Actually would increase the power of the people harassing him with lawfare.

Just pointing out the obvious = he's pragmatic and plays the party game well. No evidence at all that he will do what you fear, so perhaps your fears have more to do with campaign memes than reality.....


Trump pragmatic? My god man you've told some whoppers on this board before but that's got to be the biggest. His actions demonstrate the opposite of someone willing to deal with a matter reasonably and sensibly. He's a loose canon - the opposite of pragmatism.

As for being asked to stay away, he was not asked to stay away in GA in 2020. He was asked to help the candidates and he did pretty much nothing.

There's a reason people keep asking whether he will run third party. It's because there's plenty of evidence he could do so if he loses. He doesn't go down quietly as 2020 demonstrated and isn't willing to play nice when he loses. He'll burn it down if he loses. Wait and see.
The list of examples of his pragmatism in party politics is long. He played will with people who by your assessment he should have ground to dust - Cruz and Graham and etc.......appointed Mitch's wife to the cabinet, supported Romney's niece as party chair, endorsed McCarthy (an establishmentarian), etc.....

You (and many others) are imputing your own negative assessments about his character into an assertion which is flatly at odds with his time in office. If that is not the case, then show us. Show us where he slashed & burned just to slash & burn. Show us where someone inside the party willing to work cooperatively with him was roughed up for the sake of the blood & gore.



You mean he played nice with people who sucked up to him after he won the election? Who would've thunk it?
you know, there is a reason we have elections......we fight like hell over nominees, then we get behind the winner. (idea)

The fact you had to answer "probably" regarding whether he would endorse the Republican nominee says all one needs to know about Trump. If he loses, he will turn quickly on his own. Watch.
You know, we will know conclusively if that happens or not in about 12 months.

And team Trump hopes you keep making that statement. It will likely drive more votes to him than away from him. (very self defeating point to be making, Mothra......)
You seem to have forgotten that fighting like hell over nominees didn't use to entail personal attacks regarding fellow Republicans' wives' looks, or suggesting they were guilty of sexual assault based on a photo with purported high school girls. It's interesting that the Dems have been able to remain out of the gutter and above such dysfunction when trying to differentiate themselves from other candidates. Trump might want to try it.

Of course, it's hard to remember a Republican candidate who paid off a porn star and then lied about it to the American people. He is indeed a different breed.

I am not stating anything everyone doesn't already know. Trump is a sore loser. That's no secret.
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It is telling how the Trump haters ignore the poor morals of Democrats but go after Trump to the point of exaggerating his sins and embracing every claim against him, even the lies, in hopes he will cow to them and go away.
Who on this thread has done that? Answer: nobody. Everyone knows the Dems have poor morals. Nobody here has exaggerated Trump's sins.

Just be honest and admit ANY criticism of Trump is off-limits in your book.
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whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
For a very large and still growing part of the electorate, the divide isn't really Republicans vs Democrats. It's Us vs Them.

Will Trump endorse the Republican nominee for president in 2024?
Everything we've seen in his approach to party politics indicates he would, should it come to that.

the 3rd party thing, the "he'll blow it up if he doesn't control it" thing......that's neverTrumper projection, pure & simple. The Sheriff Bart routine is all they got, all day, every day....


It's remarkable how confident you are that Trump will play nice if he loses the primary. It's almost as if you're ignoring all evidence to the contrary. After he lost the 2020 election, he didn't do much of anything to help Georgian Republicans get elected. And since that time he regularly attacks republicans he has deems disloyal. And of course we have the 2020 election denial nonsense. The idea that he'll play nice if he loses the primary is very much in doubt.
He was asked not to help, remember?
You (and many others here & elsewhere) wanted him to disappear, remember?

Facts are facts. While President, his support for party operations and candidates was strong. As a result, his support within the party is strong. He's played very good team ball, including with opposing factions, to include staying away when asked and playing nicely with establishment types and others who had harshly criticized him in the past. Reality is, there is nothing in his record to suggest that he will burn down the party or run third-party should he lose the nomination. Such would cost him influence and gain him nothing. Actually would increase the power of the people harassing him with lawfare.

Just pointing out the obvious = he's pragmatic and plays the party game well. No evidence at all that he will do what you fear, so perhaps your fears have more to do with campaign memes than reality.....


Trump pragmatic? My god man you've told some whoppers on this board before but that's got to be the biggest. His actions demonstrate the opposite of someone willing to deal with a matter reasonably and sensibly. He's a loose canon - the opposite of pragmatism.

As for being asked to stay away, he was not asked to stay away in GA in 2020. He was asked to help the candidates and he did pretty much nothing.

There's a reason people keep asking whether he will run third party. It's because there's plenty of evidence he could do so if he loses. He doesn't go down quietly as 2020 demonstrated and isn't willing to play nice when he loses. He'll burn it down if he loses. Wait and see.
The list of examples of his pragmatism in party politics is long. He played will with people who by your assessment he should have ground to dust - Cruz and Graham and etc.......appointed Mitch's wife to the cabinet, supported Romney's niece as party chair, endorsed McCarthy (an establishmentarian), etc.....

You (and many others) are imputing your own negative assessments about his character into an assertion which is flatly at odds with his time in office. If that is not the case, then show us. Show us where he slashed & burned just to slash & burn. Show us where someone inside the party willing to work cooperatively with him was roughed up for the sake of the blood & gore.

Ah, of course. No one gets hurt as long we "cooperate."
Quote:
In fact, according to sources close to the campaigns, people in and around the White House, including the president's lawyer former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, put near-constant pressure on the two Georgia Republicans, David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, to shape their runoff campaigns around his demands.

"It was a hostage situation every day," said one Republican strategist familiar with the campaigns who only agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity.

"We were always trying to guard against the tweet [from Trump]," the strategist said.

"Every week we had some new sort of demand," said another strategist involved with the campaigns. "Calling for the hand recount. The signature match. A special session. $2,000 [coronavirus relief] checks. Objecting to the electors."

"It was, 'If you do not do this, the president will actively work against you and you will lose,' " he recalled.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/29/961837774/a-hostage-situation-every-day-strategists-blame-trump-for-georgia-senate-losses
You've never been involved in politics, apparently. Hint: Part in bold is how everybody plays it.
But Trump will actually do it.
As will they all. He roughed up Ted Cruz as the primary wound down, but spun on a dime and played nicely when Ted came on board. And he never held prior comments against most of the GOP elected class. Worked very well with them.....supported them, etc.....

Perhaps no attack on Trump is more at odds with his actual record than this particular question.

because of that (calling ole Ted's wife ugly), is infantile and ole Ted came back to suck at the teet of of big, fat, orange, liar bs. What an effing coward. If someone said that about my wife, it would be on and I'm going scorched earth on that mfer. Ted is nothing but a meow!
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J.R. said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
For a very large and still growing part of the electorate, the divide isn't really Republicans vs Democrats. It's Us vs Them.

Will Trump endorse the Republican nominee for president in 2024?
Everything we've seen in his approach to party politics indicates he would, should it come to that.

the 3rd party thing, the "he'll blow it up if he doesn't control it" thing......that's neverTrumper projection, pure & simple. The Sheriff Bart routine is all they got, all day, every day....


It's remarkable how confident you are that Trump will play nice if he loses the primary. It's almost as if you're ignoring all evidence to the contrary. After he lost the 2020 election, he didn't do much of anything to help Georgian Republicans get elected. And since that time he regularly attacks republicans he has deems disloyal. And of course we have the 2020 election denial nonsense. The idea that he'll play nice if he loses the primary is very much in doubt.
He was asked not to help, remember?
You (and many others here & elsewhere) wanted him to disappear, remember?

Facts are facts. While President, his support for party operations and candidates was strong. As a result, his support within the party is strong. He's played very good team ball, including with opposing factions, to include staying away when asked and playing nicely with establishment types and others who had harshly criticized him in the past. Reality is, there is nothing in his record to suggest that he will burn down the party or run third-party should he lose the nomination. Such would cost him influence and gain him nothing. Actually would increase the power of the people harassing him with lawfare.

Just pointing out the obvious = he's pragmatic and plays the party game well. No evidence at all that he will do what you fear, so perhaps your fears have more to do with campaign memes than reality.....


Trump pragmatic? My god man you've told some whoppers on this board before but that's got to be the biggest. His actions demonstrate the opposite of someone willing to deal with a matter reasonably and sensibly. He's a loose canon - the opposite of pragmatism.

As for being asked to stay away, he was not asked to stay away in GA in 2020. He was asked to help the candidates and he did pretty much nothing.

There's a reason people keep asking whether he will run third party. It's because there's plenty of evidence he could do so if he loses. He doesn't go down quietly as 2020 demonstrated and isn't willing to play nice when he loses. He'll burn it down if he loses. Wait and see.
The list of examples of his pragmatism in party politics is long. He played will with people who by your assessment he should have ground to dust - Cruz and Graham and etc.......appointed Mitch's wife to the cabinet, supported Romney's niece as party chair, endorsed McCarthy (an establishmentarian), etc.....

You (and many others) are imputing your own negative assessments about his character into an assertion which is flatly at odds with his time in office. If that is not the case, then show us. Show us where he slashed & burned just to slash & burn. Show us where someone inside the party willing to work cooperatively with him was roughed up for the sake of the blood & gore.

Ah, of course. No one gets hurt as long we "cooperate."
Quote:
In fact, according to sources close to the campaigns, people in and around the White House, including the president's lawyer former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, put near-constant pressure on the two Georgia Republicans, David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, to shape their runoff campaigns around his demands.

"It was a hostage situation every day," said one Republican strategist familiar with the campaigns who only agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity.

"We were always trying to guard against the tweet [from Trump]," the strategist said.

"Every week we had some new sort of demand," said another strategist involved with the campaigns. "Calling for the hand recount. The signature match. A special session. $2,000 [coronavirus relief] checks. Objecting to the electors."

"It was, 'If you do not do this, the president will actively work against you and you will lose,' " he recalled.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/29/961837774/a-hostage-situation-every-day-strategists-blame-trump-for-georgia-senate-losses
You've never been involved in politics, apparently. Hint: Part in bold is how everybody plays it.
But Trump will actually do it.
As will they all. He roughed up Ted Cruz as the primary wound down, but spun on a dime and played nicely when Ted came on board. And he never held prior comments against most of the GOP elected class. Worked very well with them.....supported them, etc.....

Perhaps no attack on Trump is more at odds with his actual record than this particular question.

because of that (calling ole Ted's wife ugly), is infantile and ole Ted came back to suck at the test of of big, fat, orange, liar bs. What an effing coward. If someone said that about my wife (or ex wife), it would be on and I'm going scorched earth on that mfer. Ted is nothing but a meow!
no you wouldnt have if you wanted to keep your job. The dude that almost lost to Beto will win re election no problem if he was up in 24. He has aligned with straddling the GOP fence between the MAGA and traditionalists.

Neither side of the currently fractired GOP can win against the Dems without the other side. To say otherwise is clueless.
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4th and Inches said:
J.R. said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
For a very large and still growing part of the electorate, the divide isn't really Republicans vs Democrats. It's Us vs Them.

Will Trump endorse the Republican nominee for president in 2024?
Everything we've seen in his approach to party politics indicates he would, should it come to that.

the 3rd party thing, the "he'll blow it up if he doesn't control it" thing......that's neverTrumper projection, pure & simple. The Sheriff Bart routine is all they got, all day, every day....


It's remarkable how confident you are that Trump will play nice if he loses the primary. It's almost as if you're ignoring all evidence to the contrary. After he lost the 2020 election, he didn't do much of anything to help Georgian Republicans get elected. And since that time he regularly attacks republicans he has deems disloyal. And of course we have the 2020 election denial nonsense. The idea that he'll play nice if he loses the primary is very much in doubt.
He was asked not to help, remember?
You (and many others here & elsewhere) wanted him to disappear, remember?

Facts are facts. While President, his support for party operations and candidates was strong. As a result, his support within the party is strong. He's played very good team ball, including with opposing factions, to include staying away when asked and playing nicely with establishment types and others who had harshly criticized him in the past. Reality is, there is nothing in his record to suggest that he will burn down the party or run third-party should he lose the nomination. Such would cost him influence and gain him nothing. Actually would increase the power of the people harassing him with lawfare.

Just pointing out the obvious = he's pragmatic and plays the party game well. No evidence at all that he will do what you fear, so perhaps your fears have more to do with campaign memes than reality.....


Trump pragmatic? My god man you've told some whoppers on this board before but that's got to be the biggest. His actions demonstrate the opposite of someone willing to deal with a matter reasonably and sensibly. He's a loose canon - the opposite of pragmatism.

As for being asked to stay away, he was not asked to stay away in GA in 2020. He was asked to help the candidates and he did pretty much nothing.

There's a reason people keep asking whether he will run third party. It's because there's plenty of evidence he could do so if he loses. He doesn't go down quietly as 2020 demonstrated and isn't willing to play nice when he loses. He'll burn it down if he loses. Wait and see.
The list of examples of his pragmatism in party politics is long. He played will with people who by your assessment he should have ground to dust - Cruz and Graham and etc.......appointed Mitch's wife to the cabinet, supported Romney's niece as party chair, endorsed McCarthy (an establishmentarian), etc.....

You (and many others) are imputing your own negative assessments about his character into an assertion which is flatly at odds with his time in office. If that is not the case, then show us. Show us where he slashed & burned just to slash & burn. Show us where someone inside the party willing to work cooperatively with him was roughed up for the sake of the blood & gore.

Ah, of course. No one gets hurt as long we "cooperate."
Quote:
In fact, according to sources close to the campaigns, people in and around the White House, including the president's lawyer former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, put near-constant pressure on the two Georgia Republicans, David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, to shape their runoff campaigns around his demands.

"It was a hostage situation every day," said one Republican strategist familiar with the campaigns who only agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity.

"We were always trying to guard against the tweet [from Trump]," the strategist said.

"Every week we had some new sort of demand," said another strategist involved with the campaigns. "Calling for the hand recount. The signature match. A special session. $2,000 [coronavirus relief] checks. Objecting to the electors."

"It was, 'If you do not do this, the president will actively work against you and you will lose,' " he recalled.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/29/961837774/a-hostage-situation-every-day-strategists-blame-trump-for-georgia-senate-losses
You've never been involved in politics, apparently. Hint: Part in bold is how everybody plays it.
But Trump will actually do it.
As will they all. He roughed up Ted Cruz as the primary wound down, but spun on a dime and played nicely when Ted came on board. And he never held prior comments against most of the GOP elected class. Worked very well with them.....supported them, etc.....

Perhaps no attack on Trump is more at odds with his actual record than this particular question.

because of that (calling ole Ted's wife ugly), is infantile and ole Ted came back to suck at the test of of big, fat, orange, liar bs. What an effing coward. If someone said that about my wife (or ex wife), it would be on and I'm going scorched earth on that mfer. Ted is nothing but a meow!
no you wouldnt have if you wanted to keep your job. The dude that almost lost to Beto will win re election no problem if he was up in 24. He has aligned with straddling the GOP fence between the MAGA and traditionalists.

Neither side of the currently fractired GOP can win against the Dems without the other side. To say otherwise is clueless.
yes, I would have. Govt job or no. have some balls ted, you freaking cat! This why I just have disdain for politicians of this ilk. both sides. Disgusting
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Oldbear83 said:
It is telling how the Trump haters ignore the poor morals of Democrats but go after Trump to the point of exaggerating his sins and embracing every claim against him, even the lies, in hopes he will cow to them and go away.
Who on this thread has done that? Answer: nobody. Everyone knows the Dems have poor morals. Nobody here has exaggerated Trump's sins.

Just be honest and admit ANY criticism of Trump is off-limits in your book.
How about YOU 'just be honest' and respond to what I actually say, instead of constantly trying to twist it to something else?
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4th-and-Inches: "Neither side of the currently fractured GOP can win against the Dems without the other side. To say otherwise is clueless."

Thank you, absolutely true.

Democrats who disagree on their goals and targets will nonetheless stick together to make sure Democrats get elected.

Republicans cannot afford to play holier-than-thou and still win national elections.

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Mothra said:
Oldbear83 said:
It is telling how the Trump haters ignore the poor morals of Democrats but go after Trump to the point of exaggerating his sins and embracing every claim against him, even the lies, in hopes he will cow to them and go away.
Who on this thread has done that? Answer: nobody. Everyone knows the Dems have poor morals. Nobody here has exaggerated Trump's sins.

Just be honest and admit ANY criticism of Trump is off-limits in your book.
How about YOU 'just be honest' and respond to what I actually say, instead of constantly trying to twist it to something else?
You have an odd habit of accusing people not responding to what you said when they have in fact done so.

Once again, just in case you missed it: The conservatives on this thread know the Dems have poor morals. Nobody here has exaggerated Trump's sins.

My point asking you to admit any criticism of Trump is off-limits wasn't a twisting of anyone's words. It was a separate point entirely. And I wish you would.
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4th-and-Inches: "Neither side of the currently fractured GOP can win against the Dems without the other side. To say otherwise is clueless."

Thank you, absolutely true.

Democrats who disagree on their goals and targets will nonetheless stick together to make sure Democrats get elected.

Republicans cannot afford to play holier-than-thou and still win national elections.

Don't disagree with this. But that maxim applies equally to the Always Trumpers, and not just the Never Trumpers.
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4th-and-Inches: "Neither side of the currently fractured GOP can win against the Dems without the other side. To say otherwise is clueless."

Thank you, absolutely true.

Democrats who disagree on their goals and targets will nonetheless stick together to make sure Democrats get elected.

Republicans cannot afford to play holier-than-thou and still win national elections.

Agree. Dems do that very well. They will vote for someone they don't like to get a Dem in power.
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In reply to J.R. • 10:48a, 3/21/23
J.R. said:
4th and Inches said:
J.R. said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
For a very large and still growing part of the electorate, the divide isn't really Republicans vs Democrats. It's Us vs Them.

Will Trump endorse the Republican nominee for president in 2024?
Everything we've seen in his approach to party politics indicates he would, should it come to that.

the 3rd party thing, the "he'll blow it up if he doesn't control it" thing......that's neverTrumper projection, pure & simple. The Sheriff Bart routine is all they got, all day, every day....


It's remarkable how confident you are that Trump will play nice if he loses the primary. It's almost as if you're ignoring all evidence to the contrary. After he lost the 2020 election, he didn't do much of anything to help Georgian Republicans get elected. And since that time he regularly attacks republicans he has deems disloyal. And of course we have the 2020 election denial nonsense. The idea that he'll play nice if he loses the primary is very much in doubt.
He was asked not to help, remember?
You (and many others here & elsewhere) wanted him to disappear, remember?

Facts are facts. While President, his support for party operations and candidates was strong. As a result, his support within the party is strong. He's played very good team ball, including with opposing factions, to include staying away when asked and playing nicely with establishment types and others who had harshly criticized him in the past. Reality is, there is nothing in his record to suggest that he will burn down the party or run third-party should he lose the nomination. Such would cost him influence and gain him nothing. Actually would increase the power of the people harassing him with lawfare.

Just pointing out the obvious = he's pragmatic and plays the party game well. No evidence at all that he will do what you fear, so perhaps your fears have more to do with campaign memes than reality.....


Trump pragmatic? My god man you've told some whoppers on this board before but that's got to be the biggest. His actions demonstrate the opposite of someone willing to deal with a matter reasonably and sensibly. He's a loose canon - the opposite of pragmatism.

As for being asked to stay away, he was not asked to stay away in GA in 2020. He was asked to help the candidates and he did pretty much nothing.

There's a reason people keep asking whether he will run third party. It's because there's plenty of evidence he could do so if he loses. He doesn't go down quietly as 2020 demonstrated and isn't willing to play nice when he loses. He'll burn it down if he loses. Wait and see.
The list of examples of his pragmatism in party politics is long. He played will with people who by your assessment he should have ground to dust - Cruz and Graham and etc.......appointed Mitch's wife to the cabinet, supported Romney's niece as party chair, endorsed McCarthy (an establishmentarian), etc.....

You (and many others) are imputing your own negative assessments about his character into an assertion which is flatly at odds with his time in office. If that is not the case, then show us. Show us where he slashed & burned just to slash & burn. Show us where someone inside the party willing to work cooperatively with him was roughed up for the sake of the blood & gore.

Ah, of course. No one gets hurt as long we "cooperate."
Quote:
In fact, according to sources close to the campaigns, people in and around the White House, including the president's lawyer former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, put near-constant pressure on the two Georgia Republicans, David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, to shape their runoff campaigns around his demands.

"It was a hostage situation every day," said one Republican strategist familiar with the campaigns who only agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity.

"We were always trying to guard against the tweet [from Trump]," the strategist said.

"Every week we had some new sort of demand," said another strategist involved with the campaigns. "Calling for the hand recount. The signature match. A special session. $2,000 [coronavirus relief] checks. Objecting to the electors."

"It was, 'If you do not do this, the president will actively work against you and you will lose,' " he recalled.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/29/961837774/a-hostage-situation-every-day-strategists-blame-trump-for-georgia-senate-losses
You've never been involved in politics, apparently. Hint: Part in bold is how everybody plays it.
But Trump will actually do it.
As will they all. He roughed up Ted Cruz as the primary wound down, but spun on a dime and played nicely when Ted came on board. And he never held prior comments against most of the GOP elected class. Worked very well with them.....supported them, etc.....

Perhaps no attack on Trump is more at odds with his actual record than this particular question.

because of that (calling ole Ted's wife ugly), is infantile and ole Ted came back to suck at the test of of big, fat, orange, liar bs. What an effing coward. If someone said that about my wife (or ex wife), it would be on and I'm going scorched earth on that mfer. Ted is nothing but a meow!
no you wouldnt have if you wanted to keep your job. The dude that almost lost to Beto will win re election no problem if he was up in 24. He has aligned with straddling the GOP fence between the MAGA and traditionalists.

Neither side of the currently fractired GOP can win against the Dems without the other side. To say otherwise is clueless.
yes, I would have. Govt job or no. have some balls ted, you freaking cat! This why I just have disdain for politicians of this ilk. both sides. Disgusting
successful politicians dont rise to bait, they compromise. Ideaistic politicians like you would be get burnt out or disgusted and quit because they are unbending to their ideals.

In a country that is almost equally divided and slightly to the left, you would have no chance in Washington. Best thing you could do is throw a bunch of money at washington through lobbying your ideals and let the slimey ploiticians go to work.
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4th and Inches said:
J.R. said:
4th and Inches said:
J.R. said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
For a very large and still growing part of the electorate, the divide isn't really Republicans vs Democrats. It's Us vs Them.

Will Trump endorse the Republican nominee for president in 2024?
Everything we've seen in his approach to party politics indicates he would, should it come to that.

the 3rd party thing, the "he'll blow it up if he doesn't control it" thing......that's neverTrumper projection, pure & simple. The Sheriff Bart routine is all they got, all day, every day....


It's remarkable how confident you are that Trump will play nice if he loses the primary. It's almost as if you're ignoring all evidence to the contrary. After he lost the 2020 election, he didn't do much of anything to help Georgian Republicans get elected. And since that time he regularly attacks republicans he has deems disloyal. And of course we have the 2020 election denial nonsense. The idea that he'll play nice if he loses the primary is very much in doubt.
He was asked not to help, remember?
You (and many others here & elsewhere) wanted him to disappear, remember?

Facts are facts. While President, his support for party operations and candidates was strong. As a result, his support within the party is strong. He's played very good team ball, including with opposing factions, to include staying away when asked and playing nicely with establishment types and others who had harshly criticized him in the past. Reality is, there is nothing in his record to suggest that he will burn down the party or run third-party should he lose the nomination. Such would cost him influence and gain him nothing. Actually would increase the power of the people harassing him with lawfare.

Just pointing out the obvious = he's pragmatic and plays the party game well. No evidence at all that he will do what you fear, so perhaps your fears have more to do with campaign memes than reality.....


Trump pragmatic? My god man you've told some whoppers on this board before but that's got to be the biggest. His actions demonstrate the opposite of someone willing to deal with a matter reasonably and sensibly. He's a loose canon - the opposite of pragmatism.

As for being asked to stay away, he was not asked to stay away in GA in 2020. He was asked to help the candidates and he did pretty much nothing.

There's a reason people keep asking whether he will run third party. It's because there's plenty of evidence he could do so if he loses. He doesn't go down quietly as 2020 demonstrated and isn't willing to play nice when he loses. He'll burn it down if he loses. Wait and see.
The list of examples of his pragmatism in party politics is long. He played will with people who by your assessment he should have ground to dust - Cruz and Graham and etc.......appointed Mitch's wife to the cabinet, supported Romney's niece as party chair, endorsed McCarthy (an establishmentarian), etc.....

You (and many others) are imputing your own negative assessments about his character into an assertion which is flatly at odds with his time in office. If that is not the case, then show us. Show us where he slashed & burned just to slash & burn. Show us where someone inside the party willing to work cooperatively with him was roughed up for the sake of the blood & gore.

Ah, of course. No one gets hurt as long we "cooperate."
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In fact, according to sources close to the campaigns, people in and around the White House, including the president's lawyer former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, put near-constant pressure on the two Georgia Republicans, David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, to shape their runoff campaigns around his demands.

"It was a hostage situation every day," said one Republican strategist familiar with the campaigns who only agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity.

"We were always trying to guard against the tweet [from Trump]," the strategist said.

"Every week we had some new sort of demand," said another strategist involved with the campaigns. "Calling for the hand recount. The signature match. A special session. $2,000 [coronavirus relief] checks. Objecting to the electors."

"It was, 'If you do not do this, the president will actively work against you and you will lose,' " he recalled.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/29/961837774/a-hostage-situation-every-day-strategists-blame-trump-for-georgia-senate-losses
You've never been involved in politics, apparently. Hint: Part in bold is how everybody plays it.
But Trump will actually do it.
As will they all. He roughed up Ted Cruz as the primary wound down, but spun on a dime and played nicely when Ted came on board. And he never held prior comments against most of the GOP elected class. Worked very well with them.....supported them, etc.....

Perhaps no attack on Trump is more at odds with his actual record than this particular question.

because of that (calling ole Ted's wife ugly), is infantile and ole Ted came back to suck at the test of of big, fat, orange, liar bs. What an effing coward. If someone said that about my wife (or ex wife), it would be on and I'm going scorched earth on that mfer. Ted is nothing but a meow!
no you wouldnt have if you wanted to keep your job. The dude that almost lost to Beto will win re election no problem if he was up in 24. He has aligned with straddling the GOP fence between the MAGA and traditionalists.

Neither side of the currently fractired GOP can win against the Dems without the other side. To say otherwise is clueless.
yes, I would have. Govt job or no. have some balls ted, you freaking cat! This why I just have disdain for politicians of this ilk. both sides. Disgusting
successful politicians dont rise to bait, they compromise. Ideaistic politicians like you would be get burnt out or disgusted and quit because they are unbending to their ideals.

In a country that is almost equally divided and slightly to the left, you would have no chance in Washington. Best thing you could do is throw a bunch of money at washington through lobbying your ideals and let the slimey ploiticians go to work.
you are correct on one thing. Qualified people, don't need or want this crap. They have already made it and don't feel the need to grift.
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In reply to whiterock • 11:49a, 3/21/23
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Sam Lowry said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
BornAgain said:
would trump go Independent without Republican nomination?
Ross Perot 2.0

Would have the same result and give Dems the White House. Trump just may do it out of arrogance and spite.
Very unfair to assume he would only do it out of arrogance and spite. You're completely overlooking greed (the chance to bleed more money from his followers) and desperation (the hope it will keep him out of prison a while longer).
Hard to delineate all the fallacies woven in that. Reality is, he can't legally profit from political fundraising, and it's not at all clear how he personally benefits more from 3rd party spite that would make his brand smaller rather than larger.

The 3rd party play only makes sense if he's actually trying to win the WH and/or build a true 3rd party.

Trump is losing money with the public office gig and pursuit. This is a bad business decision for him. He went fro 3.6 billion to 2.5 billion. He is bleeding money.

This is ALL about vengence, spite and revenge. If he was only interested in money, he would get out and start making money again.
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In reply to Mothra • 12:23p, 3/21/23
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:

Everything we've seen in his approach to party politics indicates he would, should it come to that.

the 3rd party thing, the "he'll blow it up if he doesn't control it" thing......that's neverTrumper projection, pure & simple. The Sheriff Bart routine is all they got, all day, every day....


It's remarkable how confident you are that Trump will play nice if he loses the primary. It's almost as if you're ignoring all evidence to the contrary. After he lost the 2020 election, he didn't do much of anything to help Georgian Republicans get elected. And since that time he regularly attacks republicans he has deems disloyal. And of course we have the 2020 election denial nonsense. The idea that he'll play nice if he loses the primary is very much in doubt.
He was asked not to help, remember?
You (and many others here & elsewhere) wanted him to disappear, remember?

Facts are facts. While President, his support for party operations and candidates was strong. As a result, his support within the party is strong. He's played very good team ball, including with opposing factions, to include staying away when asked and playing nicely with establishment types and others who had harshly criticized him in the past. Reality is, there is nothing in his record to suggest that he will burn down the party or run third-party should he lose the nomination. Such would cost him influence and gain him nothing. Actually would increase the power of the people harassing him with lawfare.

Just pointing out the obvious = he's pragmatic and plays the party game well. No evidence at all that he will do what you fear, so perhaps your fears have more to do with campaign memes than reality.....


Trump pragmatic? My god man you've told some whoppers on this board before but that's got to be the biggest. His actions demonstrate the opposite of someone willing to deal with a matter reasonably and sensibly. He's a loose canon - the opposite of pragmatism.

As for being asked to stay away, he was not asked to stay away in GA in 2020. He was asked to help the candidates and he did pretty much nothing.

There's a reason people keep asking whether he will run third party. It's because there's plenty of evidence he could do so if he loses. He doesn't go down quietly as 2020 demonstrated and isn't willing to play nice when he loses. He'll burn it down if he loses. Wait and see.
The list of examples of his pragmatism in party politics is long. He played will with people who by your assessment he should have ground to dust - Cruz and Graham and etc.......appointed Mitch's wife to the cabinet, supported Romney's niece as party chair, endorsed McCarthy (an establishmentarian), etc.....

You (and many others) are imputing your own negative assessments about his character into an assertion which is flatly at odds with his time in office. If that is not the case, then show us. Show us where he slashed & burned just to slash & burn. Show us where someone inside the party willing to work cooperatively with him was roughed up for the sake of the blood & gore.



You mean he played nice with people who sucked up to him after he won the election? Who would've thunk it?
you know, there is a reason we have elections......we fight like hell over nominees, then we get behind the winner. (idea)

The fact you had to answer "probably" regarding whether he would endorse the Republican nominee says all one needs to know about Trump. If he loses, he will turn quickly on his own. Watch.
You know, we will know conclusively if that happens or not in about 12 months.

And team Trump hopes you keep making that statement. It will likely drive more votes to him than away from him. (very self defeating point to be making, Mothra......)
You seem to have forgotten that fighting like hell over nominees didn't use to entail personal attacks regarding fellow Republicans' wives' looks, or suggesting they were guilty of sexual assault based on a photo with purported high school girls. It's interesting that the Dems have been able to remain out of the gutter and above such dysfunction when trying to differentiate themselves from other candidates. Trump might want to try it.

Of course, it's hard to remember a Republican candidate who paid off a porn star and then lied about it to the American people. He is indeed a different breed.

I am not stating anything everyone doesn't already know. Trump is a sore loser. That's no secret.
you must not be terribly old. Ever heard of Lee Atwater? Do a little research and get back to us.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 12:27p, 3/21/23
RMF5630 said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
BornAgain said:
would trump go Independent without Republican nomination?
Ross Perot 2.0

Would have the same result and give Dems the White House. Trump just may do it out of arrogance and spite.
Very unfair to assume he would only do it out of arrogance and spite. You're completely overlooking greed (the chance to bleed more money from his followers) and desperation (the hope it will keep him out of prison a while longer).
Hard to delineate all the fallacies woven in that. Reality is, he can't legally profit from political fundraising, and it's not at all clear how he personally benefits more from 3rd party spite that would make his brand smaller rather than larger.

The 3rd party play only makes sense if he's actually trying to win the WH and/or build a true 3rd party.

Trump is losing money with the public office gig and pursuit. This is a bad business decision for him. He went fro 3.6 billion to 2.5 billion. He is bleeding money.

This is ALL about vengence, spite and revenge. If he was only interested in money, he would get out and start making money again.
Nothing wrong with being angry at losing an unfair election and making things right by winning a rematch.

we do agree that there is no money to be made in a third party bid. Only thing such would accomplish is to deny the GOP a shot to win the WH. There is no upside to that.....monetarily, emotionally, or in brand equity (which is what really drives his thinking).
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In reply to J.R. • 12:29p, 3/21/23
J.R. said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
For a very large and still growing part of the electorate, the divide isn't really Republicans vs Democrats. It's Us vs Them.

Will Trump endorse the Republican nominee for president in 2024?
Everything we've seen in his approach to party politics indicates he would, should it come to that.

the 3rd party thing, the "he'll blow it up if he doesn't control it" thing......that's neverTrumper projection, pure & simple. The Sheriff Bart routine is all they got, all day, every day....


It's remarkable how confident you are that Trump will play nice if he loses the primary. It's almost as if you're ignoring all evidence to the contrary. After he lost the 2020 election, he didn't do much of anything to help Georgian Republicans get elected. And since that time he regularly attacks republicans he has deems disloyal. And of course we have the 2020 election denial nonsense. The idea that he'll play nice if he loses the primary is very much in doubt.
He was asked not to help, remember?
You (and many others here & elsewhere) wanted him to disappear, remember?

Facts are facts. While President, his support for party operations and candidates was strong. As a result, his support within the party is strong. He's played very good team ball, including with opposing factions, to include staying away when asked and playing nicely with establishment types and others who had harshly criticized him in the past. Reality is, there is nothing in his record to suggest that he will burn down the party or run third-party should he lose the nomination. Such would cost him influence and gain him nothing. Actually would increase the power of the people harassing him with lawfare.

Just pointing out the obvious = he's pragmatic and plays the party game well. No evidence at all that he will do what you fear, so perhaps your fears have more to do with campaign memes than reality.....


Trump pragmatic? My god man you've told some whoppers on this board before but that's got to be the biggest. His actions demonstrate the opposite of someone willing to deal with a matter reasonably and sensibly. He's a loose canon - the opposite of pragmatism.

As for being asked to stay away, he was not asked to stay away in GA in 2020. He was asked to help the candidates and he did pretty much nothing.

There's a reason people keep asking whether he will run third party. It's because there's plenty of evidence he could do so if he loses. He doesn't go down quietly as 2020 demonstrated and isn't willing to play nice when he loses. He'll burn it down if he loses. Wait and see.
The list of examples of his pragmatism in party politics is long. He played will with people who by your assessment he should have ground to dust - Cruz and Graham and etc.......appointed Mitch's wife to the cabinet, supported Romney's niece as party chair, endorsed McCarthy (an establishmentarian), etc.....

You (and many others) are imputing your own negative assessments about his character into an assertion which is flatly at odds with his time in office. If that is not the case, then show us. Show us where he slashed & burned just to slash & burn. Show us where someone inside the party willing to work cooperatively with him was roughed up for the sake of the blood & gore.

Ah, of course. No one gets hurt as long we "cooperate."
Quote:
In fact, according to sources close to the campaigns, people in and around the White House, including the president's lawyer former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, put near-constant pressure on the two Georgia Republicans, David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, to shape their runoff campaigns around his demands.

"It was a hostage situation every day," said one Republican strategist familiar with the campaigns who only agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity.

"We were always trying to guard against the tweet [from Trump]," the strategist said.

"Every week we had some new sort of demand," said another strategist involved with the campaigns. "Calling for the hand recount. The signature match. A special session. $2,000 [coronavirus relief] checks. Objecting to the electors."

"It was, 'If you do not do this, the president will actively work against you and you will lose,' " he recalled.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/29/961837774/a-hostage-situation-every-day-strategists-blame-trump-for-georgia-senate-losses
You've never been involved in politics, apparently. Hint: Part in bold is how everybody plays it.
But Trump will actually do it.
As will they all. He roughed up Ted Cruz as the primary wound down, but spun on a dime and played nicely when Ted came on board. And he never held prior comments against most of the GOP elected class. Worked very well with them.....supported them, etc.....

Perhaps no attack on Trump is more at odds with his actual record than this particular question.

because of that (calling ole Ted's wife ugly), is infantile and ole Ted came back to suck at the teet of of big, fat, orange, liar bs. What an effing coward. If someone said that about my wife, it would be on and I'm going scorched earth on that mfer. Ted is nothing but a meow!
Ted's gotten a lot done by playing team ball.
Smart guy, Ted.

If you play in politics, you are going to make eneimies. And every day, you will have to play nice with your enemies.

You have all the wrong instincts for politics. No surprise, given your posts here....
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In reply to whiterock • 1:37p, 3/21/23
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:
Mothra said:
whiterock said:

Everything we've seen in his approach to party politics indicates he would, should it come to that.

the 3rd party thing, the "he'll blow it up if he doesn't control it" thing......that's neverTrumper projection, pure & simple. The Sheriff Bart routine is all they got, all day, every day....


It's remarkable how confident you are that Trump will play nice if he loses the primary. It's almost as if you're ignoring all evidence to the contrary. After he lost the 2020 election, he didn't do much of anything to help Georgian Republicans get elected. And since that time he regularly attacks republicans he has deems disloyal. And of course we have the 2020 election denial nonsense. The idea that he'll play nice if he loses the primary is very much in doubt.
He was asked not to help, remember?
You (and many others here & elsewhere) wanted him to disappear, remember?

Facts are facts. While President, his support for party operations and candidates was strong. As a result, his support within the party is strong. He's played very good team ball, including with opposing factions, to include staying away when asked and playing nicely with establishment types and others who had harshly criticized him in the past. Reality is, there is nothing in his record to suggest that he will burn down the party or run third-party should he lose the nomination. Such would cost him influence and gain him nothing. Actually would increase the power of the people harassing him with lawfare.

Just pointing out the obvious = he's pragmatic and plays the party game well. No evidence at all that he will do what you fear, so perhaps your fears have more to do with campaign memes than reality.....


Trump pragmatic? My god man you've told some whoppers on this board before but that's got to be the biggest. His actions demonstrate the opposite of someone willing to deal with a matter reasonably and sensibly. He's a loose canon - the opposite of pragmatism.

As for being asked to stay away, he was not asked to stay away in GA in 2020. He was asked to help the candidates and he did pretty much nothing.

There's a reason people keep asking whether he will run third party. It's because there's plenty of evidence he could do so if he loses. He doesn't go down quietly as 2020 demonstrated and isn't willing to play nice when he loses. He'll burn it down if he loses. Wait and see.
The list of examples of his pragmatism in party politics is long. He played will with people who by your assessment he should have ground to dust - Cruz and Graham and etc.......appointed Mitch's wife to the cabinet, supported Romney's niece as party chair, endorsed McCarthy (an establishmentarian), etc.....

You (and many others) are imputing your own negative assessments about his character into an assertion which is flatly at odds with his time in office. If that is not the case, then show us. Show us where he slashed & burned just to slash & burn. Show us where someone inside the party willing to work cooperatively with him was roughed up for the sake of the blood & gore.



You mean he played nice with people who sucked up to him after he won the election? Who would've thunk it?
you know, there is a reason we have elections......we fight like hell over nominees, then we get behind the winner. (idea)

The fact you had to answer "probably" regarding whether he would endorse the Republican nominee says all one needs to know about Trump. If he loses, he will turn quickly on his own. Watch.
You know, we will know conclusively if that happens or not in about 12 months.

And team Trump hopes you keep making that statement. It will likely drive more votes to him than away from him. (very self defeating point to be making, Mothra......)
You seem to have forgotten that fighting like hell over nominees didn't use to entail personal attacks regarding fellow Republicans' wives' looks, or suggesting they were guilty of sexual assault based on a photo with purported high school girls. It's interesting that the Dems have been able to remain out of the gutter and above such dysfunction when trying to differentiate themselves from other candidates. Trump might want to try it.

Of course, it's hard to remember a Republican candidate who paid off a porn star and then lied about it to the American people. He is indeed a different breed.

I am not stating anything everyone doesn't already know. Trump is a sore loser. That's no secret.
you must not be terribly old. Ever heard of Lee Atwater? Do a little research and get back to us.
I don't recall Reagan and Bush engaging in scathing personal attacks (at Atwater's advice) on each other's spouses or suggesting they were responsible for the sexual assault of teens, but perhaps you know something I don't about that?
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In reply to whiterock • 1:39p, 3/21/23
whiterock said:
RMF5630 said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
BornAgain said:
would trump go Independent without Republican nomination?
Ross Perot 2.0

Would have the same result and give Dems the White House. Trump just may do it out of arrogance and spite.
Very unfair to assume he would only do it out of arrogance and spite. You're completely overlooking greed (the chance to bleed more money from his followers) and desperation (the hope it will keep him out of prison a while longer).
Hard to delineate all the fallacies woven in that. Reality is, he can't legally profit from political fundraising, and it's not at all clear how he personally benefits more from 3rd party spite that would make his brand smaller rather than larger.

The 3rd party play only makes sense if he's actually trying to win the WH and/or build a true 3rd party.

Trump is losing money with the public office gig and pursuit. This is a bad business decision for him. He went fro 3.6 billion to 2.5 billion. He is bleeding money.

This is ALL about vengence, spite and revenge. If he was only interested in money, he would get out and start making money again.
Nothing wrong with being angry at losing an unfair election and making things right by winning a rematch.
Don't disagree. You think that's what Trump did?
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RMF5630 said:
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
BornAgain said:
would trump go Independent without Republican nomination?
Ross Perot 2.0

Would have the same result and give Dems the White House. Trump just may do it out of arrogance and spite.
Very unfair to assume he would only do it out of arrogance and spite. You're completely overlooking greed (the chance to bleed more money from his followers) and desperation (the hope it will keep him out of prison a while longer).
Hard to delineate all the fallacies woven in that. Reality is, he can't legally profit from political fundraising, and it's not at all clear how he personally benefits more from 3rd party spite that would make his brand smaller rather than larger.

The 3rd party play only makes sense if he's actually trying to win the WH and/or build a true 3rd party.

Trump is losing money with the public office gig and pursuit. This is a bad business decision for him. He went fro 3.6 billion to 2.5 billion. He is bleeding money.

This is ALL about vengence, spite and revenge. If he was only interested in money, he would get out and start making money again.
I'd argue from what I know....he ain't a Billionaire . just sayin
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