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Look, I understand that the success of the show Fallout has made 50's retro seem cool again, but these aren't the days of 'government serving the public'. It's much more a flood of overreach and abuse by people who are completely immune to consequences.
No one is saying don't use qualified people in appropriate support roles. But unelected goons should not be making policy, and I can't think of even one department which does not need some deep budget cuts.
Come on, you have to know there is no 1 answer. We need a much larger Govt than most MAGA are comfortable with to protect US interests in 2024.
Your second point is much more reasonable, of course EVERY Department can use reform and possibly funding reallocation. But, it depends on the mission and our priorities. Now is not the time to be reducing air safety, infrastructure, border, intel and defense. Should Education, Health & Human Services, Labor and some others go to the States? I agree it needs looking at even justification. No problem. Going in with a pre-conceived number not based on data and needs, no way.
I think you should look at it in a different manner. We don't need a larger government, we need an efficient, frugal and not bought and paid for government.
They've become racketeering outfits. Our tax dollars are a piggy bank or cookie jar to well connected people and they demand more taxes. The strings of bureaucracy are pulled to the tune of banks and corporations, not the people these services are supposed to be for.
We all supply enough tax dollars and wealth to the government to have more than enough welfare. It's a blend of incompetence, mismanagement, corruption and greed.
But, yes. There are those that are counting to retirement from the day they are hired. There are the zealots that are trying to push an agenda. There are the political players. No different than any other business. But to say a Nation of 365 million's elected offices don't need the expertise of these people is naive. Can we do it better? I am all for it.
The experts in the alphabets need to provide factual information, submit their analysis of it and make recommendations to congress. Congress is tasked for writing laws that affect the citizens and the country.
Really, it's true. Even says so in Article1 Section 1 of the United State Constitution
That is a different issue.
I agree. If they are not doing their jobs and not providing factual information they should be replaced. Public sector needs same level of performance as private.
Congress DOES pass laws. Executive Branch has regulatory authority, not laws. Can't tell you it is illegal to build a car, but can tell you the performance standards to use it on the roads. There will always be push and shove on those standards. Let me be clear, the standards have to be for everyone. Ford can't operate under a different set of rules as GM.
Problem is though that these regulations and rules are all too often treated like law. These administrations have become too powerful and too big for their britches (see CDC thinking they have authority over private property rights). Too many of these bureaucrats have become lazy, agenda driven and powerful. They've become lifelong D.C.ers that are out of touch, live in a bubble full of lobbyists and special interest.
Too many of our politicians are too comfortable with letting the alphabets issue rules and regulations so they don't need to put their name on a vote.
Rules and regulations should be (at least) approved by Congress. But like I said, our political "leaders" are way too comfortable with authorizing these agencies to have the power to create rules and regs, it's easier that way. The electeds don't have to put their name on a vote that way.
CDC is tough. Disease and its spread makes it difficult. Supreme Court has ruled in the Govt's favor on health and welfare. These are usually backed by law. I am on the fence. I get it of why they have those powers, but watching COVID play out was frustrating. In FL we were lucky. DeSantis had common sense. MA where my daughter lives was devastated by the restrictions. She has still not recovered health-wise. Not COVID, the live style she had to live and its effects.
I get that we need standards on how clean water should be. How planes should operate and be maintained. Those things. Some of the others, we are not far off...
We can not have a country where unelected bureaucrats can make rules and regulations without first getting approval from elected representatives. You can not have a country by the people and for the people when the people are unable to hold bureaucrats accountable for their actions.
Add to that, so many of the Dregs of DC are given their jobs, not because they're an expert, but because they have the right political connections. Many are also bought and paid for by special interest groups and lobbyists.
Are you for a gov't that's not accountable to its people or something?
Geez, they are accountable. Who do you think approves the budgets and sets the laws? The Executive Branch is accountable to who is elected. The Executive Branch controls a lot of Agencies, which is Constitutional. Rules and Regs are ALWAYS challenged by the Courts. You make it sound like they can take your property by Eminent Domain on a whim. There are only 2 types of cases in the State of Florida that requires a full Jury - Capital Murder and Eminent Domain. It is serious and taken very seriously.
What do you think gets approved with no oversight? I am curious.
Non-elected bureaucrats issuing edicts that are then treated like law are not accountable to the people.
When was the last time you voted for the head of the FTC or the ATF or the CDC or what the hell ever?
Just admit that you a big gov't fan, that you think more gov't is the answer to everything
Big fan? I am not a fan or against Government. It serves a purpose and requires expertise that is beyond the average elected official. What you seem to want is a Banana Republic, no law or regs. You can go to the Caribbean, Africa, Central or South America and find that. Have at it. Just keep in mind that what you want is a 2 way street, be prepared to defend yourself...
You seriously lack comprehension skill. I NEVER said I was against rule or regulations. Once again, you're reading something that isn't there.
I've said REPEATEDLY that rules and regulations should come from Congress (or at least approved by Congress), not from unelected bureaucrats that have zero accountability from the public.
So once again, let me spell this out for you one last time
RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT ARE OFTEN TREATED LIKE LAW SHOULD NEVER COME FROM UNELECTED BUREAUCRATS THAT ARE NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE BY THE VOTER.
Yes, I was yelling. I'm thinking you're just an idiot, but maybe you're just deaf.
Yell all you like, no matter to me.
You don't seem to get that Congress can't do what you want. They have neither the time, the expertise or the mandate to do so. Read the Federal Register sometime to get an idea. That is just Federal, States have their own. What you ask is impossible. All rules and regulations are based in is law, but implemented through Agencies and Departments. It is just too much for Congress. But either you are trolling or you just don't care about reality.
We'll never see eye to eye on this. Seems you focus on the infinitesimal regulations regarding operation or standards in an industry when you argue that Congress doesn't have time to deal with it.
And I'm focusing the larger rules and regulations like the CDC's attempt to unsurp private property rights, or when the CSPC wants to ban gas stoves or when EPA goes after power plants due to a climate "crisis" - which got batted down by the Supreme Court.
But alas, you've said that these agencies and bureaucrats are only doing what they're told to do by politicians anyway. So if, our elected "leaders" have time to listen to lobbyists and special interest groups then tell corresponding agencies what to do, surely they have time to vote on it approve it. I mean, they have time to hang out on twitter, summon major league baseball players like Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, and Rafael Palmeiro to testify about steroids in the MLB, spend time writing books and going on tv interviews hawking their latest write, etc....
We have too many unelected bureaucrats calling too many shots that affects too many Americans with no accountability to the public. That's never a good thing.
Like I said, how would you feel if Trump won then called the FTC and told them issue a new regulation that companies can't sell products in America unless they were manufactured in America?
He actually did.
Presidential Executive Order on Buy American and Hire American The White House (archives.gov)"We have too many unelected bureaucrats calling too many shots that affects too many Americans with no accountability to the public. That's never a good thing."
It is naive to think that there is anyway in the modern world that you are going to operate at any level of consistent Standard relying totally on elected officials to set and pass all rules and regulations. Many of the potential outcomes are catastrophic. Elected Representatives with 2, 4 and 6 year election cycles are the last people you want to rely on to make difficult technical decisions and stick by them.
The system is in place is there for a reason. But, you guys seem to think that the world outside your window just happens. Literally everything you see outside your window there are thousands of Govt employees involved with ensuring it is done to the appropriate Standards so that you can flip the switch and the lights come on. It doesn't just happen, nor does it happen because Congress passes a bill.
There is a hell of a lot of effort and resources to provide the lifestyle you take for granted. It is a combination of Govt and Private Sector, the US happens to have the best mix in the world. Always can be tweaked and changed to deal with changing environments, but overall the US has done a damn good job providing a safe, high quality of life and security.
Sad thing is that there is not a good choice. We have Trump wanting to gut the system and moves us to a spoils system that rewards relationships. And Biden, that has moved all decisions to the Political level.
Actually, Biden has done what you want in the Executive Branch. ALL decisions are now made at that Secretary level, direct appointees by the President. All the grants, contracts and rules are being run at that level. You should love Biden. It is a nightmare to deal with, but there is elected accountability.
