sombear said:Right now, it's a bloodbath. Trump and RNC numbers still getting worse by the day.boognish_bear said:
From what we've been seeing about Republicans leading the way in registering voters that could counterbalance a slight KH lead....if the polls are even accurate to begin with....#New @MonmouthPoll (With Leaners)
— Political Polls (@PpollingNumbers) August 14, 2024
🔵 Harris 48% (+5)
đź”´ Trump 43%
Monmouth #A+ - RV - 8/12
The worst data points for Trump: His negatives are getting worse, despite basically being cemented for a year. And the last week's aggregate shows 48-50% "definitely will not vote for Trump." That is an all-time high.
It will take a major dynamic to change the race. Not sure what that is at this point, except maybe a hellish Dem convention where the pro-Hamas crowd makes '68 look like a high school prep rally.
Trump squandered the convention and everything since, and it has been a disaster.
Harris is up nationally according to the polling aggregate. She was up by a little more than a point in our national poll. However, I can tell you with a lot of certainty she's not killing it either. She'll need better numbers across the board to give herself better than even…
— Quantus Polls and News (@QPollsandnews) August 13, 2024
boognish_bear said:
It may not all be kumbaya on the Dem sideJoe Biden will reportedly miss Barack Obama’s speech to the DNC, fueling speculation that the president “harbors some resentment” that Obama didn’t stand up for him when the knives came out. https://t.co/ZbxeeKuXHh
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) August 14, 2024
BUDOS said:
Just how reliable a source is kyleanbecker?
4th and Inches said:sombear said:Right now, it's a bloodbath. Trump and RNC numbers still getting worse by the day.boognish_bear said:
From what we've been seeing about Republicans leading the way in registering voters that could counterbalance a slight KH lead....if the polls are even accurate to begin with....#New @MonmouthPoll (With Leaners)
— Political Polls (@PpollingNumbers) August 14, 2024
🔵 Harris 48% (+5)
đź”´ Trump 43%
Monmouth #A+ - RV - 8/12
The worst data points for Trump: His negatives are getting worse, despite basically being cemented for a year. And the last week's aggregate shows 48-50% "definitely will not vote for Trump." That is an all-time high.
It will take a major dynamic to change the race. Not sure what that is at this point, except maybe a hellish Dem convention where the pro-Hamas crowd makes '68 look like a high school prep rally.
Trump squandered the convention and everything since, and it has been a disaster.
One of the best in the businessHarris is up nationally according to the polling aggregate. She was up by a little more than a point in our national poll. However, I can tell you with a lot of certainty she's not killing it either. She'll need better numbers across the board to give herself better than even…
— Quantus Polls and News (@QPollsandnews) August 13, 2024
Just not seeing the continued sinking
Seeing the polling being crazy skewed on the sample though.. saw a 40 and a 47 Dem sample this morning. Anything over 36 is off and 47 is alternate reality
Reporter: You said Harris’ crowds were AI and that there weren’t people there. There’s video evidence that proves that false
— Acyn (@Acyn) August 14, 2024
Trump: I can’t say what was there, who was there. I can only tell you about ours. We have the biggest crowds ever in the history of politics pic.twitter.com/DtpApSE8EI
Why does it have to be the biggest in the history of politics?boognish_bear said:Reporter: You said Harris’ crowds were AI and that there weren’t people there. There’s video evidence that proves that false
— Acyn (@Acyn) August 14, 2024
Trump: I can’t say what was there, who was there. I can only tell you about ours. We have the biggest crowds ever in the history of politics pic.twitter.com/DtpApSE8EI
To feed his massive, albeit, fragile ego.FLBear5630 said:Why does it have to be the biggest in the history of politics?boognish_bear said:Reporter: You said Harris’ crowds were AI and that there weren’t people there. There’s video evidence that proves that false
— Acyn (@Acyn) August 14, 2024
Trump: I can’t say what was there, who was there. I can only tell you about ours. We have the biggest crowds ever in the history of politics pic.twitter.com/DtpApSE8EI
To scare off any Independent who might have reservations about putting a delusional narcissist back into the WHFLBear5630 said:Why does it have to be the biggest in the history of politics?boognish_bear said:Reporter: You said Harris’ crowds were AI and that there weren’t people there. There’s video evidence that proves that false
— Acyn (@Acyn) August 14, 2024
Trump: I can’t say what was there, who was there. I can only tell you about ours. We have the biggest crowds ever in the history of politics pic.twitter.com/DtpApSE8EI
#New General Election poll @QuinnipiacPoll - Pennsylvania
— Political Polls (@PpollingNumbers) August 14, 2024
🔵 Harris 50% (+3)
đź”´ Trump 47%
Quinnipiac #B+ - 1738 LV - 8/12
sombear said:4th and Inches said:sombear said:Right now, it's a bloodbath. Trump and RNC numbers still getting worse by the day.boognish_bear said:
From what we've been seeing about Republicans leading the way in registering voters that could counterbalance a slight KH lead....if the polls are even accurate to begin with....#New @MonmouthPoll (With Leaners)
— Political Polls (@PpollingNumbers) August 14, 2024
🔵 Harris 48% (+5)
đź”´ Trump 43%
Monmouth #A+ - RV - 8/12
The worst data points for Trump: His negatives are getting worse, despite basically being cemented for a year. And the last week's aggregate shows 48-50% "definitely will not vote for Trump." That is an all-time high.
It will take a major dynamic to change the race. Not sure what that is at this point, except maybe a hellish Dem convention where the pro-Hamas crowd makes '68 look like a high school prep rally.
Trump squandered the convention and everything since, and it has been a disaster.
One of the best in the businessHarris is up nationally according to the polling aggregate. She was up by a little more than a point in our national poll. However, I can tell you with a lot of certainty she's not killing it either. She'll need better numbers across the board to give herself better than even…
— Quantus Polls and News (@QPollsandnews) August 13, 2024
Just not seeing the continued sinking
Seeing the polling being crazy skewed on the sample though.. saw a 40 and a 47 Dem sample this morning. Anything over 36 is off and 47 is alternate reality
I'm not familiar with them but the Trump campaign disagrees it's that close at this time. Again, that does not mean it can't change, and there are still some on the Trump team who are supremely confident, though fewer than two weeks ago
BREAKING: Conflict of interest concerns emerge as new records reveal that Dana Walden, the host of the ABC News debate between Trump and Harris on September 10, has contributed $11,250 to Harris's attorney general race, $11,000 to her Senate campaign, and $13,900 to her 2020…
— Patrick Webb (@RealPatrickWebb) August 14, 2024
Aliceinbubbleland said:Yes everyone knows CNN has a slant but he makes it so easy for them. I personally am happy with any network that exposes his lies and ridiculous campaign to lose the election. When Trump makes a claim and CNN broadcasts the real truth why is that so hard to accept. The man constantly lies.4th and Inches said:
CNN would fact check everything Trump says as false
I bet if Trump said it was raining, they would fact check it as false and call it drizzle or mist instead.
So he doesnt know the difference between impressions and watching live.. most dont know the difference
Viral Tik Tok: I Used to Be a Far-Left Extremist. This is Why I Am Voting for Donald Trump.
— Kyle Becker (@kylenabecker) August 14, 2024
"I used to be a far left extremist and now I'm going to vote for Donald Trump."
"First thing that started to make me want to leave the left was I watched a Trump press conference and I… pic.twitter.com/rgXAjJnjRe
JD Vance attacks the tone of Kamala Harris’ “fake” campaign:
— The Recount (@therecount) August 14, 2024
"When she laughs during a speech, remember that there are American families crying this very day because they cannot afford groceries." pic.twitter.com/82FBN4EK0t
Republicans out registering the Democrats 6 to 1, but the polls have Dems with a +6 in Arizona? Hahaha
— MAGS (@TAftermath2020) August 14, 2024
ATL Bear said:The majority of Americans vote on emotion and not policy. Literally how they feel about a candidate or maybe a particular issue. Rally crowd size doesn't move the political needle, but oblivious lying and the unhinged appearance of something like this does. To use the word the Democrats have glommed onto, it looks weird.whiterock said:it's politics, buddy. and as it is in war, the first casualty is the truth. If you aren't saying what you need to say to win, you are going to lose.ATL Bear said:You're smarter than this as well. He and his supporters are looking like idiots circulating this, which compounds his already high unlike-ability, and just when he was moving it in the other direction. This crap only rallies his die hards, and exacerbates the low bar of truth he feeds to and encourages in his supporters.whiterock said:whiterock said:ATL Bear said:He literally said it was a "fake" rally and no one was there. It's an unforced error on something completely irrelevant other than to his ego.whiterock said:I cannot understand why Trump's post would bother anyone not on Team Kamala - calling into doubt the accomplishments of one's opponents is hardly bad politics, even if all it does is stiffen the spine of one's supporters.ATL Bear said:You'll complain if I don't do the research for you, but don't ask again for dumb **** like this.Oldbear83 said:
Source? I ask because other sites have questioned the image from Harris, not just Trump.
Here's the link to the live streamed event.
https://www.youtube.com/live/AvVbLW6Xfbc?si=TncELI5OMRbktDmr
Go to about 28 mins if you need the photo angle segment
Just look at FL's post above. Trump is hardly "floundering." But FL is rattled by the Harris campaign's equally outlandish narrative that it is surging a grassroots wave of support into a wide lead.
His comments have enthused his supporters, who are out posting on social media about fake rallies. That muddies the waters for a lot of voters. It causes them to shrug off the whole issue as just more nonsense. That's a win.
Trump didn't say Nazis at Charlottesville were fine people, but a LOT of people believe it.
False stuff can get you a LOT of votes. You are smarter than this……
Harris is out there campaigning on Trump's platform, as if the prior 4 years never happened. And you get upset at Trump trying to discredit the veracity of her support? For getting millions of people out there to push a narrative that the Harris campaign is a lie?
It is amazing how obtuse the smart people can be when they confuse virtue with politics.
How about pointing out the weird policies of the opponents instead of stupid distractions? How about attacking the opponents and quit truth socialing or tweeting about your own party people? I'm not looking for virtue. I'm looking for strategy and sanity, and it's been missing for the past several weeks from the Trump campaign.
FLBear5630 said:Trump said there were 60 to 70 million listening, it was actually 1.3 million at its peak. It does not matter. 1.3 million is a lot, the focus on this detracts from the race. He does this constantly. He will be nit-picked constantly, yet he keeps throwing stuff around with no supporting data. He turns positives to negatives. He needs to be doing it better as the wind is not at his back until November now.4th and Inches said:one, look at time stamps. Two, the two tweets are not talking about the same thing.FLBear5630 said:Well, we all know Musk doesn't fudge numbers and Trump is very precise in his relating of data...4th and Inches said:FLBear5630 said:boognish_bear said:Redbrickbear said:boognish_bear said:Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:
If Trump was not an idiot, he should act like an adult and talk about issues. The problem is that Brown will just bet quiet, and every thing Trump argues will be coached as "Republicans pounce."
Let's be honest…Trump talks plenty about the issues
Inflation, the economy, mass immigration…
But that does not seem to get through to you since the media does not want to focus on those issues (since the all make the Biden-Harris administration look bad)
Go pull up the text of one of his full stump speeches and you will see that.
My guess is that you just focus on the clips the media shows you (30-50 second clips) of hour to two our hour speeches
He can't control that....but he has full control of his Truth Social and Twitter. He can shape the focus on issues completely on there if he can learn to resist the rage tweeting.
Buddy he just did a long one on one interview with Elon Musk that was watched by 60-80 million people.
And he talked plenty about the issues.
At some point you have to realize your perception is not reality…but it's a understandable perception if viewed through a certain media lens
He is engaging on the issues and before a lot of viewers
He throws out insults at his political opponents but it's not what he does the majority of the day or what he talks about the majority of the time.
Where is that 60 to 80 million figure coming from? Trump or Elon?
The TV interview with the biggest viewership of all time was Michael Jackson on Oprah in 1993 that drew 63 million viewers.
Fact Check put the number at closer to a million watched. He gets caught up in this number size pissing contest crap. He has an opportunity to talk issues and he waste it with dick size crap. A million on X, Reuters reported 1.3M, is a big number, which gets lost in his exaggerations.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/elon-musk-interview-trump-x-social-media-network-2024-08-12/Combined views of the conversation with @realDonaldTrump and subsequent discussion by other accounts now ~1 billion https://t.co/s8x8QmdmnY
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 13, 20241.3 Million LIVE listeners. 67 million impressions.
— Kyle Becker (@kylenabecker) August 13, 2024
Donald Trump just proved in his Spaces with @ElonMusk why he needs to be back on @X. Starting TONIGHT pic.twitter.com/HUO1Rp77gR
It does not matter, I don't get Trump's infatuation with inflating everything. All it does is get him in trouble and divert the conversation to irrelevant minutia from real points he makes. It is counterproductive.
Musk is saying that people watched and that lead to interactions which totaled 1billion impressions about the conversation.
Becker said initial impressions just on the conversation was 63million.
Its whatever but it shows people were listening and talkng aboiut it
Fact check: Trump made at least 20 false claims in his conversation with Elon Musk | CNN Politics
explain this one.. make it make senseOldbear83 said:
I will happy to explain the numbers to anyone interested, but for now it's important to understand that since 1944 only one incumbent party candidate has won re-election with more than 1.8% minor-party share (Clinton in 1996).
The minor-vote share has been tracking between 5 and 9 percent ever since Harris claimed the nomination, and right now it's at 5.5%. That's bad news for Harris, but most people don't understand the numbers at work here.
4th and Inches said:Aliceinbubbleland said:Yes everyone knows CNN has a slant but he makes it so easy for them. I personally am happy with any network that exposes his lies and ridiculous campaign to lose the election. When Trump makes a claim and CNN broadcasts the real truth why is that so hard to accept. The man constantly lies.4th and Inches said:
CNN would fact check everything Trump says as false
I bet if Trump said it was raining, they would fact check it as false and call it drizzle or mist instead.
So he doesnt know the difference between impressions and watching live.. most dont know the difference
81% of Democrats said ABC is credible.
80% of Democrats said NBC is credible.
79% of Democrats said CBS is credible.
74% of Democrats said CNN is credible.
72% of Democrats said The New York Times is credible.
67% of Democrats said MSNBC is credible.
Dems struggle to find them credible.. why do you think they broadcast the "real truth"?“Whatever the Party holds to be the truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of the Party.”
— The Rabbit Hole (@TheRabbitHole84) August 14, 2024
— O'Brien (1984 by George Orwell)
Misinformation experts largely lean in a single direction politically. This skew can, will, and does impact… pic.twitter.com/f8343NntNv
FLBear5630 said:Why does it have to be the biggest in the history of politics?boognish_bear said:Reporter: You said Harris’ crowds were AI and that there weren’t people there. There’s video evidence that proves that false
— Acyn (@Acyn) August 14, 2024
Trump: I can’t say what was there, who was there. I can only tell you about ours. We have the biggest crowds ever in the history of politics pic.twitter.com/DtpApSE8EI
boognish_bear said:JD Vance attacks the tone of Kamala Harris’ “fake” campaign:
— The Recount (@therecount) August 14, 2024
"When she laughs during a speech, remember that there are American families crying this very day because they cannot afford groceries." pic.twitter.com/82FBN4EK0t
Maricopa County, AZ, which updates daily now, shows the GOP+161,332 over Ds. This is a bigger lead in the COUNTY than the Rs had in the whole state in 2020 (130,000). Statewide the Rs lead by just under 260,000.
— Larry Schweikart (@LarrySchweikart) August 14, 2024
4th and Inches said:Aliceinbubbleland said:Yes everyone knows CNN has a slant but he makes it so easy for them. I personally am happy with any network that exposes his lies and ridiculous campaign to lose the election. When Trump makes a claim and CNN broadcasts the real truth why is that so hard to accept. The man constantly lies.4th and Inches said:
CNN would fact check everything Trump says as false
I bet if Trump said it was raining, they would fact check it as false and call it drizzle or mist instead.
So he doesnt know the difference between impressions and watching live.. most dont know the differenceViral Tik Tok: I Used to Be a Far-Left Extremist. This is Why I Am Voting for Donald Trump.
— Kyle Becker (@kylenabecker) August 14, 2024
"I used to be a far left extremist and now I'm going to vote for Donald Trump."
"First thing that started to make me want to leave the left was I watched a Trump press conference and I… pic.twitter.com/rgXAjJnjRe
4th and Inches said:explain this one.. make it make senseOldbear83 said:
I will happy to explain the numbers to anyone interested, but for now it's important to understand that since 1944 only one incumbent party candidate has won re-election with more than 1.8% minor-party share (Clinton in 1996).
The minor-vote share has been tracking between 5 and 9 percent ever since Harris claimed the nomination, and right now it's at 5.5%. That's bad news for Harris, but most people don't understand the numbers at work here.
Aliceinbubbleland said:Vibes. https://t.co/2dZphMv9a0
— Alexi Lalas (@AlexiLalas) August 14, 2024
i think it is being done to rattle Trump and it IS workingwhiterock said:4th and Inches said:explain this one.. make it make senseOldbear83 said:
I will happy to explain the numbers to anyone interested, but for now it's important to understand that since 1944 only one incumbent party candidate has won re-election with more than 1.8% minor-party share (Clinton in 1996).
The minor-vote share has been tracking between 5 and 9 percent ever since Harris claimed the nomination, and right now it's at 5.5%. That's bad news for Harris, but most people don't understand the numbers at work here.
One factor: RFKJR. His support is waning. When that happens, it's mostly anti-Biden Dems going home. So it does explain a 3-5 pt increase in Harris support versus where Biden was. But no way does it turn the electorate into 40% Democrat.
Polls are being cooked to dispirit GOP. From the commentary here, it's clearly working.
Meh to that. He can claim whatever he wants. The problem with these types of silly bombastic claims is it's all b.s. and everyone knows it.whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Why does it have to be the biggest in the history of politics?boognish_bear said:Reporter: You said Harris’ crowds were AI and that there weren’t people there. There’s video evidence that proves that false
— Acyn (@Acyn) August 14, 2024
Trump: I can’t say what was there, who was there. I can only tell you about ours. We have the biggest crowds ever in the history of politics pic.twitter.com/DtpApSE8EI
Ok Eeyore….if you're running for POTUS and drawing massive crowds and NOT claiming they're the greatest ever, you are not doing it right.
đź‘€ Bernie Sanders on How the Democratic 'Establishment' Took Him Out of the Presidential Race
— Chief Nerd (@TheChiefNerd) August 14, 2024
"That's what happens when you take on the establishments. What happened is we won the first three primaries, and then the establishment got very, very nervous...and they said, 'Hey, it… pic.twitter.com/d9Z2OGAuuH
Mothra said:Must have hit a nerve. An anti-Christian conservative-hating dolt such as yourself shouldn't be calling anyone stupid.Waco1947 said:Mothra said:No, pro-Hamas is more accurate. That's your stupid fantasy. Nowhere among progressives are there pro-hamas. The is your stupid uninformed opinionWaco1947 said:
Not pro hamas but pro Palestinian
Your party is pro-Hamas. Hell, even the Squad voted against a resolution condemning Hamas.
Deal with it, "preacher." I heard that HEB "Deal with it'. It sounds entitled and cliched
Entitled and cliched would describe the majority of your posts on this board.Waco1947 said:Mothra said:Must have hit a nerve. An anti-Christian conservative-hating dolt such as yourself shouldn't be calling anyone stupid.Waco1947 said:Mothra said:No, pro-Hamas is more accurate. That's your stupid fantasy. Nowhere among progressives are there pro-hamas. The is your stupid uninformed opinionWaco1947 said:
Not pro hamas but pro Palestinian
Your party is pro-Hamas. Hell, even the Squad voted against a resolution condemning Hamas.
Deal with it, "preacher." I heard that HEB "Deal with it'. It sounds entitled and cliched
NEW Fox News National Poll
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) August 14, 2024
AUGUST: Trump +1 over Kamala 50% to 49%
JULY: Trump +1 over Biden 49% to 48%https://t.co/S1PEsj9LO0 pic.twitter.com/V39ci0wK6Q