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Interesting choice. I wonder if this is Trump's choice.

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Osodecentx said:

Whiskey Pete said:

Osodecentx said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Dems- Trump hates women

Trump - nominates women for chief of staff and UN ambassador

Dems - THOSE women don't count!!!


Well, MAGA is going to get a shot to show they can Govern. He is going straight Right Wing, no Centrist at all. Gonna be interesting. Even Pompeo who was loyal. I can see Haley, she took him on. Is he putting anyone that can talk across the aisle?



People are saying Trump is trying to protect Vance in 2028 primary. Pompeo & Haley would be competition
lol. Are these the same people that said Kamala was going to win in a landslide?
No, but point taken, they are the people who said Trump won in 2020
2020 is old news

It's hilarious that Trump will enter the White House in 2025 a hell of a lot stronger than he would've been had he walked back into the Oval Office in 2021

Winning
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whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Dems- Trump hates women

Trump - nominates women for chief of staff and UN ambassador

Dems - THOSE women don't count!!!


Well, MAGA is going to get a shot to show they can Govern. He is going straight Right Wing, no Centrist at all. Gonna be interesting. Even Pompeo who was loyal. I can see Haley, she took him on. Is he putting anyone that can talk across the aisle?

"....straight Right Wing, no Centrist at all...." You might want to check Stefanik's voting record in Congress.

Same for Susie Wiles. Go read her wiki page - Kemp, Reagan, Huntsman....even DeSantis......

Recalibrate your perspective: MAGA is no fringe group. It's mainstream GOP. It's a governing majority. It's a broad coalition of middle/working class people of all races.

Democrats don't appoint centrists to important positions.
Neither should we.

It was said as a matter of fact, not a value judgement. As I said, they are going to get the opportunity to Govern. Let's see if they can deliver.

As for MAGA, if they Govern well I will be positive in my comments. If they are like many revolutionary groups wanting to disrupt and can't govern, my comments will be negative. They have 2 years to make stuff happen.
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historian said:

Jacques Strap said:



In other words, 12 of the best.
The more reprehensible to the left, the better for America
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whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Dems- Trump hates women

Trump - nominates women for chief of staff and UN ambassador

Dems - THOSE women don't count!!!


Well, MAGA is going to get a shot to show they can Govern. He is going straight Right Wing, no Centrist at all. Gonna be interesting. Even Pompeo who was loyal. I can see Haley, she took him on. Is he putting anyone that can talk across the aisle?

"....straight Right Wing, no Centrist at all...." You might want to check Stefanik's voting record in Congress.

Same for Susie Wiles. Go read her wiki page - Kemp, Reagan, Huntsman....even DeSantis......

Recalibrate your perspective: MAGA is no fringe group. It's mainstream GOP. It's a governing majority. It's a broad coalition of middle/working class people of all races.

Democrats don't appoint centrists to important positions.
Neither should we.



Receiving the endorsement from the leader of the largest anti-white hate group is not a good sign...
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Whiskey Pete said:

Osodecentx said:

Whiskey Pete said:

Osodecentx said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Dems- Trump hates women

Trump - nominates women for chief of staff and UN ambassador

Dems - THOSE women don't count!!!


Well, MAGA is going to get a shot to show they can Govern. He is going straight Right Wing, no Centrist at all. Gonna be interesting. Even Pompeo who was loyal. I can see Haley, she took him on. Is he putting anyone that can talk across the aisle?



People are saying Trump is trying to protect Vance in 2028 primary. Pompeo & Haley would be competition
lol. Are these the same people that said Kamala was going to win in a landslide?
No, but point taken, they are the people who said Trump won in 2020
2020 is old news

It's hilarious that Trump will enter the White House in 2025 a hell of a lot stronger than he would've been had he walked back into the Oval Office in 2021

Winning

That's a sanguine view of things. After the country was obliterated over the last 4 years.... I would have rather had him in 2021.
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The_barBEARian said:

Whiskey Pete said:

Osodecentx said:

Whiskey Pete said:

Osodecentx said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Dems- Trump hates women

Trump - nominates women for chief of staff and UN ambassador

Dems - THOSE women don't count!!!


Well, MAGA is going to get a shot to show they can Govern. He is going straight Right Wing, no Centrist at all. Gonna be interesting. Even Pompeo who was loyal. I can see Haley, she took him on. Is he putting anyone that can talk across the aisle?



People are saying Trump is trying to protect Vance in 2028 primary. Pompeo & Haley would be competition
lol. Are these the same people that said Kamala was going to win in a landslide?
No, but point taken, they are the people who said Trump won in 2020
2020 is old news

It's hilarious that Trump will enter the White House in 2025 a hell of a lot stronger than he would've been had he walked back into the Oval Office in 2021

Winning

That's a sanguine view of things. After the country was obliterated over the last 4 years.... I would have rather had him in 2021.
You guys are arguing ideology. I could care less, I want to see progress, bridges re-build, energy, stronger defense, more modern/better trained work force, going to Mars, mining asteroids, etc... The other stuff is politics.
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FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Whiskey Pete said:

Osodecentx said:

Whiskey Pete said:

Osodecentx said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Dems- Trump hates women

Trump - nominates women for chief of staff and UN ambassador

Dems - THOSE women don't count!!!


Well, MAGA is going to get a shot to show they can Govern. He is going straight Right Wing, no Centrist at all. Gonna be interesting. Even Pompeo who was loyal. I can see Haley, she took him on. Is he putting anyone that can talk across the aisle?



People are saying Trump is trying to protect Vance in 2028 primary. Pompeo & Haley would be competition
lol. Are these the same people that said Kamala was going to win in a landslide?
No, but point taken, they are the people who said Trump won in 2020
2020 is old news

It's hilarious that Trump will enter the White House in 2025 a hell of a lot stronger than he would've been had he walked back into the Oval Office in 2021

Winning

That's a sanguine view of things. After the country was obliterated over the last 4 years.... I would have rather had him in 2021.
The other stuff is politics.
Welcome to a politics thread
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FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Whiskey Pete said:

Osodecentx said:

Whiskey Pete said:

Osodecentx said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jack Bauer said:

Dems- Trump hates women

Trump - nominates women for chief of staff and UN ambassador

Dems - THOSE women don't count!!!


Well, MAGA is going to get a shot to show they can Govern. He is going straight Right Wing, no Centrist at all. Gonna be interesting. Even Pompeo who was loyal. I can see Haley, she took him on. Is he putting anyone that can talk across the aisle?



People are saying Trump is trying to protect Vance in 2028 primary. Pompeo & Haley would be competition
lol. Are these the same people that said Kamala was going to win in a landslide?
No, but point taken, they are the people who said Trump won in 2020
2020 is old news

It's hilarious that Trump will enter the White House in 2025 a hell of a lot stronger than he would've been had he walked back into the Oval Office in 2021

Winning

That's a sanguine view of things. After the country was obliterated over the last 4 years.... I would have rather had him in 2021.
You guys are arguing ideology. I could care less, I want to see progress, bridges re-build, energy, stronger defense, more modern/better trained work force, going to Mars, mining asteroids, etc... The other stuff is politics.


Ideology is ultra important: it determines how those problems are resolved and whether or not they actually get fixed. Or if the "solution" creates more problems. Generally, the more the govt tries to fix things, the more things it will mess up. Never forget, the #1 priority for politicians & bureaucrats is to keep their jobs & lucrative perks. Usually, the last thing they want to do is cut spending because they & their cronies ard the main beneficiaries of all the govt spending. That's one reason govt are always so expensive & inefficient. I honestly believe that most of them are huge money laundering scams & the federal government resembles the mafia.


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We need to stop suing people. It's not a good look and it just ends up the same way every time…and endless string of lawsuits.

What we NEED to do is overhaul campaign finance. Government backed. Limited funding. NO outside contributions.
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Usually, yes. But that's easier said than done. Sometimes it takes a lawsuit, or the threat of one, to get justice. Also, the other side loves to sue for anything & everything so it's good to have fought some of those battles in advance. Lastly, campaign finance law is tricky and they cannot simply ban something because of the way it works in practice. The first amendment goes both ways & the courts have ruled that campaign contributions are protected speech.
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historian said:


Gallego voters voted for Trump..

She was that unlikable
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historian said:

Use add ply, yes. But that's easier said than done. Sometimes it takes a lawsuit, or the threat of one, to get justice. Also, the other said loved to sue for anything & everything so it's good to have caught fond of those battles in advance. Lastly, campaign finance law is tricky and they cannot simply ban something because of the way it works in practice. The first amendment goes both ways & the courts have ruled that campaign contributions ard protected speech.

The courts also ruled abortion was legal.

Trump can ask the supreme court to look at campaign finance and actually a large bipartisan consensus would support reform
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historian said:


It's not hard to figure out.

First, Abortion measure was on the ballot, probably driving out more democrat voters. Those democrat voters when faced if they wanted to pull the lever for Kamala Harris chose either:

1) Not to pull the lever for her, but instead Trump
2) Decided to cast a vote for anyone in the Presidential race.

Really people, is it this friggin' hard to understand?

There are democrats that did not vote for Kamala Harris, just like there were Republicans that didn't vote for Trump.

Just at my office, I know of two democrats that voted for Colin Allred, but voted for Trump. They didn't like Kamala Harris and they didn't like Ted Cruz.

Simple.

Republicans need to dump that that crazy ass skank, MTG
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historian said:

Use add ply, yes. But that's easier said than done. Sometimes it takes a lawsuit, or the threat of one, to get justice. Also, the other said loved to sue for anything & everything so it's good to have caught fond of those battles in advance. Lastly, campaign finance law is tricky and they cannot simply ban something because of the way it works in practice. The first amendment goes both ways & the courts have ruled that campaign contributions ard protected speech.

I'm not talking about current state. I'm talking about future state. The future state needs to be a limited pool of money, equal on both sides, with advertising limited to X number of spots. You would find OVERWHELMING support for that.

Just because the court rules a certain way doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it permanent.

There is, literally, no reason a campaign should funnel 10 MILLION DOLLARS to Beyonc or Joe Rogan. It shouldn't be a race to see who can spend more money.

And "they did it" is not justification. That's escalation. Probably 50% of the reason things cost so GD much in the country is litigation related. Let me help you; sharp edges will cut you, hot items will burn you, it's possible that your 82 yr old grandmother will die in surgery because it's very invasive. We don't need to sue each other over petty **** all the time.
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The_barBEARian said:

historian said:

Use add ply, yes. But that's easier said than done. Sometimes it takes a lawsuit, or the threat of one, to get justice. Also, the other said loved to sue for anything & everything so it's good to have caught fond of those battles in advance. Lastly, campaign finance law is tricky and they cannot simply ban something because of the way it works in practice. The first amendment goes both ways & the courts have ruled that campaign contributions ard protected speech.

The courts also ruled abortion was legal.

Trump can ask the supreme court to look at campaign finance and actually a large bipartisan consensus would support reform

Yes, well they lied in that one. It's the difference between a tight that's is explicitly guaranteed in the constitution & a fake "right" made up by corrupt politicians in black robes contradicting what our founding documents actually do say. The Declaration proclaims that we all have an "unalienable" right to life & the due process right of the 5th & 14th amendment gives it formal legal status in the "supreme law of the land."

It's an abomination that it took the court almost 50 years to correct that evil, one worse than Dred Scott v Sanford or Plessy v Ferguson.

Note: several errors corrected in original
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nein51 said:

historian said:

Use add ply, yes. But that's easier said than done. Sometimes it takes a lawsuit, or the threat of one, to get justice. Also, the other said loved to sue for anything & everything so it's good to have caught fond of those battles in advance. Lastly, campaign finance law is tricky and they cannot simply ban something because of the way it works in practice. The first amendment goes both ways & the courts have ruled that campaign contributions ard protected speech.

I'm not talking about current state. I'm talking about future state. The future state needs to be a limited pool of money, equal on both sides, with advertising limited to X number of spots. You would find OVERWHELMING support for that.

Just because the court rules a certain way doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it permanent.

There is, literally, no reason a campaign should funnel 10 MILLION DOLLARS to Beyonc or Joe Rogan. It shouldn't be a race to see who can spend more money.

And "they did it" is not justification. That's escalation. Probably 50% of the reason things cost so GD much in the country is litigation related. Let me help you; sharp edges will cut you, hot items will burn you, it's possible that your 82 yr old grandmother will die in surgery because it's very invasive. We don't need to sue each other over petty **** all the time.

Agreed. But it's very difficult to accomplish & they are likely to make a mess of it. Think of McCain Feingold.

The U.S. definitely is an overly litigious society. Some lawyers need to get a real job, preferably something more honest like selling used cars!!
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Americans ard not watching as much msnbc:

https://notthebee.com/article/msnbc-ratings-have-utterly-collapsed-after-trumps-election-landslide
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historian said:

Americans ard not watching as much msnbc:

https://notthebee.com/article/msnbc-ratings-have-utterly-collapsed-after-trumps-election-landslide
crazy to think they were ever watching it

They need to fire everybody and start telling the truth
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True but of course they won't do that. There's little that's rational about the Leftists, their ideas, or their actions.
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4th and Inches said:

historian said:


Gallego voters voted for Trump..

She was that unlikable

Same thing in NC - Dems won governor but voted for Trump.

Kari Lake is Trump w/o the charisma or likability.
She is better suited behind the scenes.
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