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nein51 said:

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ScottS said:

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I'd rather Elon run things then the libtard politicians.

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No. That's not how this works. We have a process and that process should be followed by both parties. While I certainly prefer Musk's newest political opinions to a lot of other people's all parties involved need to follow the process.

It's like people are goldfish in here.

In a few years whatever you're "doing to them" will be done back to you only they are much better at that game.

Both parties need to reigned in…a lot…and brought back to the middle, where 95% of people exist.

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We've had congress run up $35T or $36T in debt in a very short time. Elon is picked by Trump (who was elected in Nov BTW) to provide a framework so that we don't end up $100T in debt in the near future. Elon has no votes in congress. Congress must do their job. Elon is just there to help. And I trust him way more than those that ran up all this debt.

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FLBear5630 said:

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ScottS said:

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nein51 said:

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ScottS said:

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I'd rather Elon run things then the libtard politicians.

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No. That's not how this works. We have a process and that process should be followed by both parties. While I certainly prefer Musk's newest political opinions to a lot of other people's all parties involved need to follow the process.

It's like people are goldfish in here.

In a few years whatever you're "doing to them" will be done back to you only they are much better at that game.

Both parties need to reigned in…a lot…and brought back to the middle, where 95% of people exist.

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We've had congress run up $35T or $36T in debt in a very short time. Elon is picked by Trump (who was elected in Nov BTW) to provide a framework so that we don't end up $100T in debt in the near future. Elon has no votes in congress. Congress must do their job. Elon is just there to help. And I trust him way more than those that ran up all this debt.

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Baaa...


But, let's give you the benefit of the doubt. The revenue potential is incredible.

Maybe a subscription service for you to give Elon your opinion, American Idol style. Elon can model the lated fashion wear as he makes has decision. 10% dedicated to paying off the debt (Elon will get 45% and Trump the other 45%)

Or, a "Running Man" style Congress show. Think about it, Congress makes its case Richard Dawson-ish host has the audience vote and then Elon gives a Thumbs up or down. Ad revenue would be through the roof. Again, 10% toward debt, etc...

Or, we could just go full blown Idiocracy and have Monster Trucks fight it out. Elon will do what he wants, but we will all be distracted and get our electrolytes.

This is gonna be big!

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ScottS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ScottS said:

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nein51 said:

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ScottS said:

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I'd rather Elon run things then the libtard politicians.

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No. That's not how this works. We have a process and that process should be followed by both parties. While I certainly prefer Musk's newest political opinions to a lot of other people's all parties involved need to follow the process.

It's like people are goldfish in here.

In a few years whatever you're "doing to them" will be done back to you only they are much better at that game.

Both parties need to reigned in…a lot…and brought back to the middle, where 95% of people exist.

---

We've had congress run up $35T or $36T in debt in a very short time. Elon is picked by Trump (who was elected in Nov BTW) to provide a framework so that we don't end up $100T in debt in the near future. Elon has no votes in congress. Congress must do their job. Elon is just there to help. And I trust him way more than those that ran up all this debt.

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Baaa...


But, let's give you the benefit of the doubt. The revenue potential is incredible.

Maybe a subscription service for you to give Elon your opinion, American Idol style. Elon can model the lated fashion wear as he makes has decision. 10% dedicated to paying off the debt (Elon will get 45% and Trump the other 45%)

Or, a "Running Man" style Congress show. Think about it, Congress makes its case Richard Dawson-ish host has the audience vote and then Elon gives a Thumbs up or down. Ad revenue would be through the roof. Again, 10% toward debt, etc...

Or, we could just go full blown Idiocracy and have Monster Trucks fight it out. Elon will do what he wants, but we will all be distracted and get our electrolytes.

This is gonna be big!

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Baaa = you voting for The Big Guy that actually got 10%. You like libtard politicians that run up the debt. Elon aint getting nothing out of this. He wants to get the debt under control unlike the politicians that are there now. But maybe you like the status quo. Maybe you like huge levels of debt.

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ScottS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ScottS said:

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nein51 said:

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ScottS said:

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I'd rather Elon run things then the libtard politicians.

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No. That's not how this works. We have a process and that process should be followed by both parties. While I certainly prefer Musk's newest political opinions to a lot of other people's all parties involved need to follow the process.

It's like people are goldfish in here.

In a few years whatever you're "doing to them" will be done back to you only they are much better at that game.

Both parties need to reigned in…a lot…and brought back to the middle, where 95% of people exist.

---

We've had congress run up $35T or $36T in debt in a very short time. Elon is picked by Trump (who was elected in Nov BTW) to provide a framework so that we don't end up $100T in debt in the near future. Elon has no votes in congress. Congress must do their job. Elon is just there to help. And I trust him way more than those that ran up all this debt.

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Baaa...


But, let's give you the benefit of the doubt. The revenue potential is incredible.

Maybe a subscription service for you to give Elon your opinion, American Idol style. Elon can model the lated fashion wear as he makes has decision. 10% dedicated to paying off the debt (Elon will get 45% and Trump the other 45%)

Or, a "Running Man" style Congress show. Think about it, Congress makes its case Richard Dawson-ish host has the audience vote and then Elon gives a Thumbs up or down. Ad revenue would be through the roof. Again, 10% toward debt, etc...

Or, we could just go full blown Idiocracy and have Monster Trucks fight it out. Elon will do what he wants, but we will all be distracted and get our electrolytes.

This is gonna be big!

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Baaa = you voting for The Big Guy that actually got 10%. You like libtard politicians that run up the debt. Elon aint getting nothing out of this. He wants to get the debt under control unlike the politicians that are there now. But maybe you like the status quo. Maybe you like huge levels of debt.

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boognish_bear said:

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I agree that Elon is a smart dude and his accomplishments speak for themselves. We need smart people at the highest levels. Having a department exclusively focused on finding government waste and reducing spending is a good idea.

My fear with Elon is the potential for him to make decisions in his best self interest and not necessarily the best decisions for "every day" Americans.

He is in a seat with his new position, in addition to his closeness to Trump, to really tilt things in his personal economic favor. Then the question becomes would those decisions that benefit his companies and him personally also benefit all of us....especially those below the wealthy class?

We will have to wait and see.

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Donald Trump picks Houston billionaire Tilman Fertitta as ambassador to Italy. https://t.co/VXAo7Fx1q7

— Texas Tribune (@TexasTribune) December 22, 2024

boognish_bear said:

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Trump summoning the billionaire Avengers

Donald Trump picks Houston billionaire Tilman Fertitta as ambassador to Italy. https://t.co/VXAo7Fx1q7

— Texas Tribune (@TexasTribune) December 22, 2024

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whitetrash said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Trump summoning the billionaire Avengers

Donald Trump picks Houston billionaire Tilman Fertitta as ambassador to Italy. https://t.co/VXAo7Fx1q7

— Texas Tribune (@TexasTribune) December 22, 2024

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He's going to be disappointed when he has trouble finding overpriced mediocre seafood restaurants in Rome.

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BREAKING: Donald Trump has said that "we will demand that the Panama Canal be returned to [the] US." pic.twitter.com/9y2fu1PyLq

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) December 21, 2024

JUST IN: 🇺🇸 President-elect Trump says he will deliver the "largest tax cuts in the history of our country" next year. pic.twitter.com/kVMLBQl9G9

— Watcher.Guru (@WatcherGuru) December 22, 2024

Believe it or not, but it’s true. The Panama government accused Trump properties there of tax evasion so Trump wants them to give him the Panama Canal. pic.twitter.com/NMYUL8eior

— John Oberlin (@OMGno2trump) December 22, 2024

boognish_bear said:

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Believe it or not, but it’s true. The Panama government accused Trump properties there of tax evasion so Trump wants them to give him the Panama Canal. pic.twitter.com/NMYUL8eior

— John Oberlin (@OMGno2trump) December 22, 2024

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We’ll see about that!

Donald Trump Truth Social 05:12 PM EST 12/22/24 pic.twitter.com/Vkp8r3iwJg

— Donald J. Trump Posts From His Truth Social (@TrumpDailyPosts) December 22, 2024

pic.twitter.com/3xaubgZcrO

— Donald J. Trump Posts From His Truth Social (@TrumpDailyPosts) December 22, 2024

The Mayor of Panama City Mayer Mizrachi @Mayer answers Trump:

The Mayor of Panama City @Mayer :

"Dear @realDonaldTrump ,

In my time as Mayor of Panama City, I have learned that collaboration is key to economic development and prosperity.

Panama is one of the few countries… pic.twitter.com/3lLEDAv7cn

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) December 23, 2024

whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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nein51 said:

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ScottS said:

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I'd rather Elon run things then the libtard politicians.

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No. That's not how this works. We have a process and that process should be followed by both parties. While I certainly prefer Musk's newest political opinions to a lot of other people's all parties involved need to follow the process.

It's like people are goldfish in here.

In a few years whatever you're "doing to them" will be done back to you only they are much better at that game.

Both parties need to reigned in…a lot…and brought back to the middle, where 95% of people exist.

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THANK YOU!

We cannot have the Nation being run from "X" waiting for Elon to give thumbs up or down...

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What a great example of the intolerance of the moderate. Somehow, they never find it appropriate to say the left is crazy (open borders, modern monetary theory, wokeness, etc....) It's always middle ground fallacy - "both sides have gone nuts." (even though it's leftist insanity that created our current difficulty).

Chip is constantly portrayed as a right wing nut, but what exactly is crazy about wanting to stop deficit spending?
Isn't trillions of dollars of deficit spending an enormous problem?
Why is it that anyone who opposes trillions of dollars in annual deficits is a part of the problem?
Aren't the people demanding trillions of dollars in annual deficits THE problem?

No. Conservatives are not the problem here. Not one national emergency has been caused by conservative resistance the policies causing the problem.

Geez, the positioning bias...... Could it be that the real problem is the moderates? who are too willing to cut deals with leftists? who constantly cite voices of reason as worse than bad policy?

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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nein51 said:

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ScottS said:

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I'd rather Elon run things then the libtard politicians.

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No. That's not how this works. We have a process and that process should be followed by both parties. While I certainly prefer Musk's newest political opinions to a lot of other people's all parties involved need to follow the process.

It's like people are goldfish in here.

In a few years whatever you're "doing to them" will be done back to you only they are much better at that game.

Both parties need to reigned in…a lot…and brought back to the middle, where 95% of people exist.

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THANK YOU!

We cannot have the Nation being run from "X" waiting for Elon to give thumbs up or down...

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What a great example of the intolerance of the moderate. Somehow, they never find it appropriate to say the left is crazy (open borders, modern monetary theory, wokeness, etc....) It's always middle ground fallacy - "both sides have gone nuts." (even though it's leftist insanity that created our current difficulty).

Chip is constantly portrayed as a right wing nut, but what exactly is crazy about wanting to stop deficit spending?
Isn't trillions of dollars of deficit spending an enormous problem?
Why is it that anyone who opposes trillions of dollars in annual deficits is a part of the problem?
Aren't the people demanding trillions of dollars in annual deficits THE problem?

No. Conservatives are not the problem here. Not one national emergency has been caused by conservative resistance the policies causing the problem.

Geez, the positioning bias...... Could it be that the real problem is the moderates? who are too willing to cut deals with leftists? who constantly cite voices of reason as worse than bad policy?

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Talk about positioning. None of what you said has anything to do with a Billionaire directing Congress what can pass or not on social media. Whether it is Soros, Musk, or Bezos it is dead-wrong.
Democrats have done it forever, to move their party left, so why no critique of those guys?
Isn't the proper way to achieve balance to match what the Democrats are doing?

Please explain how this tantrum on Moderates has anything to do with Musk threatening to Primary anyone that disagrees with him using unlimited funds?
What is wrong with a donor pledging to fund a primary challenger against someone who does not play team ball?
It's been highly effective for Democrats. Why would we not want it to be highly effective for us?

The Post talked about both Parties and following process. You really think that Musk coming out and saying how to vote is good?
YES. If the policy is good, then pressure to vote for it is good.
What part of using a debt limit approval to force spending cuts (in an overall context of trillion-dollar deficits) is deleterious to the Republic?


I forget you are ex-CIA this is probably a dream op come true! : )

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I see what Musk is doing as a long-overdue counter-balance to what Democrats have done.

So who's being pragmatic and who's being idealistic?

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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nein51 said:

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ScottS said:

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I'd rather Elon run things then the libtard politicians.

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No. That's not how this works. We have a process and that process should be followed by both parties. While I certainly prefer Musk's newest political opinions to a lot of other people's all parties involved need to follow the process.

It's like people are goldfish in here.

In a few years whatever you're "doing to them" will be done back to you only they are much better at that game.

Both parties need to reigned in…a lot…and brought back to the middle, where 95% of people exist.

---

THANK YOU!

We cannot have the Nation being run from "X" waiting for Elon to give thumbs up or down...

---

What a great example of the intolerance of the moderate. Somehow, they never find it appropriate to say the left is crazy (open borders, modern monetary theory, wokeness, etc....) It's always middle ground fallacy - "both sides have gone nuts." (even though it's leftist insanity that created our current difficulty).

Chip is constantly portrayed as a right wing nut, but what exactly is crazy about wanting to stop deficit spending?
Isn't trillions of dollars of deficit spending an enormous problem?
Why is it that anyone who opposes trillions of dollars in annual deficits is a part of the problem?
Aren't the people demanding trillions of dollars in annual deficits THE problem?

No. Conservatives are not the problem here. Not one national emergency has been caused by conservative resistance the policies causing the problem.

Geez, the positioning bias...... Could it be that the real problem is the moderates? who are too willing to cut deals with leftists? who constantly cite voices of reason as worse than bad policy?

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Talk about positioning. None of what you said has anything to do with a Billionaire directing Congress what can pass or not on social media. Whether it is Soros, Musk, or Bezos it is dead-wrong.
Democrats have done it forever, to move their party left, so why no critique of those guys?
Isn't the proper way to achieve balance to match what the Democrats are doing?

Please explain how this tantrum on Moderates has anything to do with Musk threatening to Primary anyone that disagrees with him using unlimited funds?
What is wrong with a donor pledging to fund a primary challenger against someone who does not play team ball?
It's been highly effective for Democrats. Why would we not want it to be highly effective for us?

The Post talked about both Parties and following process. You really think that Musk coming out and saying how to vote is good?
YES. If the policy is good, then pressure to vote for it is good.
What part of using a debt limit approval to force spending cuts (in an overall context of trillion-dollar deficits) is deleterious to the Republic?


I forget you are ex-CIA this is probably a dream op come true! : )

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I see what Musk is doing as a long-overdue counter-balance to what Democrats have done.

So who's being pragmatic and who's being idealistic?

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We are talking about it because Trump won and is doing this. We talked and railed on Biden for 4 years.

What's wrong? He is influencing policy, one person using money to get what he wants. That is not how the system is supposed to work. He wants to contribute, fine go ahead. The quid quo pro is the problem. I don't care if it is Soros or Musk, right now they are showing to be the same.

This time you like it. Slippery slope. But, like most of the others we will worry about down the road. Sick of having to deal with the down the roads.

Finally, all of this is not putting Trump in a stronger position. He is creating animosity, people don't like being extorted, this is no different than protection money to the mafia.

You guys are setting up for 2016 all over. He is appointing his Apprentice production staff to diplomatic positions! This is the worst cronyism since before Teddy Roosevelt who was dead against this type of government.

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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nein51 said:

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ScottS said:

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I'd rather Elon run things then the libtard politicians.

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No. That's not how this works. We have a process and that process should be followed by both parties. While I certainly prefer Musk's newest political opinions to a lot of other people's all parties involved need to follow the process.

It's like people are goldfish in here.

In a few years whatever you're "doing to them" will be done back to you only they are much better at that game.

Both parties need to reigned in…a lot…and brought back to the middle, where 95% of people exist.

---

THANK YOU!

We cannot have the Nation being run from "X" waiting for Elon to give thumbs up or down...

---

What a great example of the intolerance of the moderate. Somehow, they never find it appropriate to say the left is crazy (open borders, modern monetary theory, wokeness, etc....) It's always middle ground fallacy - "both sides have gone nuts." (even though it's leftist insanity that created our current difficulty).

Chip is constantly portrayed as a right wing nut, but what exactly is crazy about wanting to stop deficit spending?
Isn't trillions of dollars of deficit spending an enormous problem?
Why is it that anyone who opposes trillions of dollars in annual deficits is a part of the problem?
Aren't the people demanding trillions of dollars in annual deficits THE problem?

No. Conservatives are not the problem here. Not one national emergency has been caused by conservative resistance the policies causing the problem.

Geez, the positioning bias...... Could it be that the real problem is the moderates? who are too willing to cut deals with leftists? who constantly cite voices of reason as worse than bad policy?

---

Talk about positioning. None of what you said has anything to do with a Billionaire directing Congress what can pass or not on social media. Whether it is Soros, Musk, or Bezos it is dead-wrong.
Democrats have done it forever, to move their party left, so why no critique of those guys?
Isn't the proper way to achieve balance to match what the Democrats are doing?

Please explain how this tantrum on Moderates has anything to do with Musk threatening to Primary anyone that disagrees with him using unlimited funds?
What is wrong with a donor pledging to fund a primary challenger against someone who does not play team ball?
It's been highly effective for Democrats. Why would we not want it to be highly effective for us?

The Post talked about both Parties and following process. You really think that Musk coming out and saying how to vote is good?
YES. If the policy is good, then pressure to vote for it is good.
What part of using a debt limit approval to force spending cuts (in an overall context of trillion-dollar deficits) is deleterious to the Republic?


I forget you are ex-CIA this is probably a dream op come true! :I see what Musk is doing as a long-overdue counter-balance to what Democrats have done.

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So who's being pragmatic and who's being idealistic?

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We are talking about it because Trump won and is doing this. We talked and railed on Biden for 4 years.

What's wrong? He is influencing policy, one person using money to get what he wants. That is not how the system is supposed to work. He wants to contribute, fine go ahead. The quid quo pro is the problem. I don't care if it is Soros or Musk, right now they are showing to be the same.

This time you like it. Slippery slope. But, like most of the others we will worry about down the road. Sick of having to deal with the down the roads.

Finally, all of this is not putting Trump in a stronger position. He is creating animosity, people don't like being extorted, this is no different than protection money to the mafia.

You guys are setting up for 2016 all over. He is appointing his Apprentice production staff to diplomatic positions! This is the worst cronyism since before Teddy Roosevelt who was dead against this type of government.

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As long as what Soros is doing is legal, there will need to be a counterbalance to thwart bad policy. Another difference between Musk and Soros is that Musk is being transparent about what he is doing. Soros is certainly not.

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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nein51 said:

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ScottS said:

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I'd rather Elon run things then the libtard politicians.

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No. That's not how this works. We have a process and that process should be followed by both parties. While I certainly prefer Musk's newest political opinions to a lot of other people's all parties involved need to follow the process.

It's like people are goldfish in here.

In a few years whatever you're "doing to them" will be done back to you only they are much better at that game.

Both parties need to reigned in…a lot…and brought back to the middle, where 95% of people exist.

---

THANK YOU!

We cannot have the Nation being run from "X" waiting for Elon to give thumbs up or down...

---

What a great example of the intolerance of the moderate. Somehow, they never find it appropriate to say the left is crazy (open borders, modern monetary theory, wokeness, etc....) It's always middle ground fallacy - "both sides have gone nuts." (even though it's leftist insanity that created our current difficulty).

Chip is constantly portrayed as a right wing nut, but what exactly is crazy about wanting to stop deficit spending?
Isn't trillions of dollars of deficit spending an enormous problem?
Why is it that anyone who opposes trillions of dollars in annual deficits is a part of the problem?
Aren't the people demanding trillions of dollars in annual deficits THE problem?

No. Conservatives are not the problem here. Not one national emergency has been caused by conservative resistance the policies causing the problem.

Geez, the positioning bias...... Could it be that the real problem is the moderates? who are too willing to cut deals with leftists? who constantly cite voices of reason as worse than bad policy?

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Talk about positioning. None of what you said has anything to do with a Billionaire directing Congress what can pass or not on social media. Whether it is Soros, Musk, or Bezos it is dead-wrong.
Democrats have done it forever, to move their party left, so why no critique of those guys?
Isn't the proper way to achieve balance to match what the Democrats are doing?

Please explain how this tantrum on Moderates has anything to do with Musk threatening to Primary anyone that disagrees with him using unlimited funds?
What is wrong with a donor pledging to fund a primary challenger against someone who does not play team ball?
It's been highly effective for Democrats. Why would we not want it to be highly effective for us?

The Post talked about both Parties and following process. You really think that Musk coming out and saying how to vote is good?
YES. If the policy is good, then pressure to vote for it is good.
What part of using a debt limit approval to force spending cuts (in an overall context of trillion-dollar deficits) is deleterious to the Republic?


I forget you are ex-CIA this is probably a dream op come true! : )

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I see what Musk is doing as a long-overdue counter-balance to what Democrats have done.

So who's being pragmatic and who's being idealistic?

---

We are talking about it because Trump won and is doing this. We talked and railed on Biden for 4 years.
I railed on Biden for 4 years, but you attacked Trump more often than you attacked Biden.

What's wrong? He is influencing policy, one person using money to get what he wants. That is not how the system is supposed to work. He wants to contribute, fine go ahead.
No, it's exactly how the system is supposed to work. Always. Everywhere. (in both place and time). Donors get access. Donors get influence. We've just never had a donor of Musk's stature weigh in so publicly to push a conservative cause like the left has done for decades. Curiously, you never complained about the wild-eyed leftism of Democrat donors, yet can't find a nice thing to say about a major Republican donor.

The quid quo pro is the problem. I don't care if it is Soros or Musk, right now they are showing to be the same.
Troll-esque idealism. Donors exist. In a truly free society, they have the right to do what a Soros/Musk and the like have done. There is no eliminating them from the process which does not undermine liberty itself. The lawfare by Soros-paid prosecutors against Trump (which you cheered on) is an example. Donors move needles. Takes an awful lot of assembly & speech by the masses to counteract it all. Usually, there is; and mostly, it does.

This time you like it. Slippery slope. But, like most of the others we will worry about down the road. Sick of having to deal with the down the roads.
Again, you are being uncharacteristically idealistic. Politics is about teaming up with others to make progress on your own agenda. If you really do hate what Biden did to the country and want to fix it, the absolute stupidest thing you could do is cancel a Musk type ally from the equation. He's a positive force for what you say you want.

Finally, all of this is not putting Trump in a stronger position. He is creating animosity, people don't like being extorted, this is no different than protection money to the mafia.
LOL "...Donald Trump creates animosity in politics..." as if there was never any animosity before he arrived. LOL. The LACK of animosity should be more alarming.

You guys are setting up for 2016 all over. He is appointing his Apprentice production staff to diplomatic positions! This is the worst cronyism since before Teddy Roosevelt who was dead against this type of government.
LOL like no president before him appointed trusted people who agreed with him?

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Man, quit watching MSNBC. That's pure propaganda over there and it's warping your perception of reality.

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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THANK YOU!

We cannot have the Nation being run from "X" waiting for Elon to give thumbs up or down...

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What a great example of the intolerance of the moderate. Somehow, they never find it appropriate to say the left is crazy (open borders, modern monetary theory, wokeness, etc....) It's always middle ground fallacy - "both sides have gone nuts." (even though it's leftist insanity that created our current difficulty).

Chip is constantly portrayed as a right wing nut, but what exactly is crazy about wanting to stop deficit spending?
Isn't trillions of dollars of deficit spending an enormous problem?
Why is it that anyone who opposes trillions of dollars in annual deficits is a part of the problem?
Aren't the people demanding trillions of dollars in annual deficits THE problem?

No. Conservatives are not the problem here. Not one national emergency has been caused by conservative resistance the policies causing the problem.

Geez, the positioning bias...... Could it be that the real problem is the moderates? who are too willing to cut deals with leftists? who constantly cite voices of reason as worse than bad policy?

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Talk about positioning. None of what you said has anything to do with a Billionaire directing Congress what can pass or not on social media. Whether it is Soros, Musk, or Bezos it is dead-wrong.
Democrats have done it forever, to move their party left, so why no critique of those guys?
Isn't the proper way to achieve balance to match what the Democrats are doing?

Please explain how this tantrum on Moderates has anything to do with Musk threatening to Primary anyone that disagrees with him using unlimited funds?
What is wrong with a donor pledging to fund a primary challenger against someone who does not play team ball?
It's been highly effective for Democrats. Why would we not want it to be highly effective for us?

The Post talked about both Parties and following process. You really think that Musk coming out and saying how to vote is good?
YES. If the policy is good, then pressure to vote for it is good.
What part of using a debt limit approval to force spending cuts (in an overall context of trillion-dollar deficits) is deleterious to the Republic?


I forget you are ex-CIA this is probably a dream op come true! : )

---

I see what Musk is doing as a long-overdue counter-balance to what Democrats have done.

So who's being pragmatic and who's being idealistic?

---

We are talking about it because Trump won and is doing this. We talked and railed on Biden for 4 years.
I railed on Biden for 4 years, but you attacked Trump more often than you attacked Biden.

What's wrong? He is influencing policy, one person using money to get what he wants. That is not how the system is supposed to work. He wants to contribute, fine go ahead.
No, it's exactly how the system is supposed to work. Always. Everywhere. (in both place and time). Donors get access. Donors get influence. We've just never had a donor of Musk's stature weigh in so publicly to push a conservative cause like the left has done for decades. Curiously, you never complained about the wild-eyed leftism of Democrat donors, yet can't find a nice thing to say about a major Republican donor.

The quid quo pro is the problem. I don't care if it is Soros or Musk, right now they are showing to be the same.
Troll-esque idealism. Donors exist. In a truly free society, they have the right to do what a Soros/Musk and the like have done. There is no eliminating them from the process which does not undermine liberty itself. The lawfare by Soros-paid prosecutors against Trump (which you cheered on) is an example. Donors move needles. Takes an awful lot of assembly & speech by the masses to counteract it all. Usually, there is; and mostly, it does.

This time you like it. Slippery slope. But, like most of the others we will worry about down the road. Sick of having to deal with the down the roads.
Again, you are being uncharacteristically idealistic. Politics is about teaming up with others to make progress on your own agenda. If you really do hate what Biden did to the country and want to fix it, the absolute stupidest thing you could do is cancel a Musk type ally from the equation. He's a positive force for what you say you want.

Finally, all of this is not putting Trump in a stronger position. He is creating animosity, people don't like being extorted, this is no different than protection money to the mafia.
LOL "...Donald Trump creates animosity in politics..." as if there was never any animosity before he arrived. LOL. The LACK of animosity should be more alarming.

You guys are setting up for 2016 all over. He is appointing his Apprentice production staff to diplomatic positions! This is the worst cronyism since before Teddy Roosevelt who was dead against this type of government.
LOL like no president before him appointed trusted people who agreed with him?

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Man, quit watching MSNBC. That's pure propaganda over there and it's warping your perception of reality.

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Do not have to watch MSNBC, this is playing out on all channels and social media sort of hard not to miss it.

You are characteristically, at least when it comes to Trump, ignoring pretty much anything he does. Hawking products,
Fundraising never ends in politics. He's different in the way he does it, perhaps in no small part because he CAN do it the way he does it and nobody else can. Either way, he can sell away for all I care. I will judge him on policy accomplishments. He has a good track record on that, too.
the CR fiasco,
it's not a fiasco. It's a process. The process would be a lot easier if Democrats were trying to solve problems rather than undermine him, ya know, or if the GOP moderates would join with their own caucus and do some serious fiscal responsibility exercises.
appointing Apprentice production staff to diplomatic posts, there is a lot here.
Typically superficial. Read up just a little bit on the guy you criticize and you'll see how foolish your comments are, on multiple levels. The guy's resume literally undermines your entire argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Burnett
If it is Trump, you will find some way to rationalize. If not, it is reason to do away with Govt. You honestly with a straight face say that what Trump is doing is the way it should be done? Or if Obama did it you would be good with it?
With Trump, you will make up ways to savage his every action.

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Seems to me like he's appointing people who are committed to the agendas I support. Some of them, like Musk and Burnett, actually are not terribly partisan sources.

Dude. Trump is living in the middle here. I'm ok with it, because experience tells me he's not doing it to sideline conservatives. He's doing it to help me achieve more conservative policies than we have today. Pragmatism dictates I support that.

Your analysis has devolved into chaos, to the point where you are turning a guy who is a poster-boy for the kind of cross-the-aisle doer-creator public figures you advocate into garden variety Trump toadies.

Seriously. You are detached from reality.

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BREAKING: Australia has introduced a new bill that will limit the total spending on a party by billionaires like Elon Musk to Just $20,000

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— PoliticsVideoChannel (@politvidchannel) December 23, 2024

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BREAKING: Australia has introduced a new bill that will limit the total spending on a party by billionaires like Elon Musk to Just $20,000

This will ban billionaires from single-handedly buying Elections in Australia. pic.twitter.com/3ecBUuDGAj

— PoliticsVideoChannel (@politvidchannel) December 23, 2024

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