Mothra said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Mothra said:

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quash said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I was unaware the governor of Texas could ban TikTok or social medial

I learn something every day from the Einsteins on this site.

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The Einstein you refer to is your governor, genius

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So you misleadingly package your thread as Abbott banning TT from the State of Texas, when in truth he's banning it from state-issued devices, and have the audacity to question others' intelligence?

You are a dumb ass.

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He also doesn't know what the word censorship means.

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Add that to the list, along with "Libertarian."

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You look stupid every time you make that argument, mainly for you inability to craft one.

quash said:

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Mothra said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Mothra said:

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quash said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I was unaware the governor of Texas could ban TikTok or social medial

I learn something every day from the Einsteins on this site.

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The Einstein you refer to is your governor, genius

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So you misleadingly package your thread as Abbott banning TT from the State of Texas, when in truth he's banning it from state-issued devices, and have the audacity to question others' intelligence?

You are a dumb ass.

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He also doesn't know what the word censorship means.

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Add that to the list, along with "Libertarian."

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You look stupid every time you make that argument, mainly for you inability to craft one.

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I am not sure if you'd know one if it bit you in the ass.

OsoCoreyell said:

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I thought the argument Abbott was making was that TikTok is either CCP spyware, or could easily be amenable to that purpose. In other words, it is an actual security issue. I'm not a fan of prior restraints, but do think that banning for adequate security reasons makes sense. FYI, I note that no one is calling to ban YouTube Shorts, which is basically the same thing.

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I think that is exactly the argument he is making (and Senators in Congress are making).

I think it is CCP spyware...but that it is also mentally damaging to young people as well.

He should ban dating apps while he is at it….

Time for a thread.

A lot of people have trouble viscerally understanding what a "collective action problem" is, especially one that gets worse with scale. You read the words, but you don't understand how people get trapped.

Modern dating apps are a good example. pic.twitter.com/sQecw5iJH7

— Roko.Eth (@RokoMijic) February 9, 2023

Obviously these type of apps are broken. So why don't the apps fix the problem?

Ah.

The apps are also winning here.

Those low value men who aren't matching? They're paying the app! pic.twitter.com/Hd4EZKqmz0

— Roko.Eth (@RokoMijic) February 9, 2023

OsoCoreyell said:

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I thought the argument Abbott was making was that TikTok is either CCP spyware, or could easily be amenable to that purpose. In other words, it is an actual security issue. I'm not a fan of prior restraints, but do think that banning for adequate security reasons makes sense. FYI, I note that no one is calling to ban YouTube Shorts, which is basically the same thing.

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That is his assertion. I'm waiting for the evidence.

quash said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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I thought the argument Abbott was making was that TikTok is either CCP spyware, or could easily be amenable to that purpose. In other words, it is an actual security issue. I'm not a fan of prior restraints, but do think that banning for adequate security reasons makes sense. FYI, I note that no one is calling to ban YouTube Shorts, which is basically the same thing.

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That is his assertion. I'm waiting for the evidence.

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Well, I don't have anything I can post, but I did sit in on a security assessment from the Verizon Security guys (pretty much acknowledged as the best in the biz outside of the NSA). They said that, in its original iteration, TikTok was nakedly state spyware with some very suspicious data streams going back to the mother ship. There was lots of humanint that the CCP was very present at the mothership and playing an active role in fishing in the data streams. Since that time, TikTok has tried several steps to assure folks that the CCP no longer has that kind of access, but there is no way to confirm that. And the Verizon guys said that nothing of substance has really changed in TikTok's approach - i.e. the "firewalling" they set up is easily passable by CCP insiders if they want to. Their assessment overall was that it remained a very credible threat and that businesses would be well-advised to not allow the app to be installed on devices that accessed company networks. This was from a few months ago.

Here's a good sum-up of the recent security assessment by Internet 2-0, a pretty solid private sector security group: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/tik-tok-report-07282022110225.html

I am just curious why the OP has never started threads like this about Dem governor who ban travel to other states?

Or why he did not start one on the governor of Kansas, a Dem, who has also banned TT from state devices?????

OR that Congress has done the same for US government devices?

OR that the Dem governor of Louisiana has done the same.

Or Wisconsin )dem governor).


Why is he so upset about just this one doing it and ignoring the rest????

What do you think is causing this? pic.twitter.com/Bu9nZHxzN3

— Mehdi Yacoubi (@Mehdiyac) February 9, 2023

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I am just curious why the OP has never started threads like this about Dem governor who ban travel to other states?

Or why he did not start one on the governor of Kansas, a Dem, who has also banned TT from state devices?????

OR that Congress has done the same for US government devices?

OR that the Dem governor of Louisiana has done the same.

Or Wisconsin )dem governor).


Why is he so upset about just this one doing it and ignoring the rest????

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I don't live in those states. Duh.

OsoCoreyell said:

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quash said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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I thought the argument Abbott was making was that TikTok is either CCP spyware, or could easily be amenable to that purpose. In other words, it is an actual security issue. I'm not a fan of prior restraints, but do think that banning for adequate security reasons makes sense. FYI, I note that no one is calling to ban YouTube Shorts, which is basically the same thing.

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That is his assertion. I'm waiting for the evidence.

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Well, I don't have anything I can post, but I did sit in on a security assessment from the Verizon Security guys (pretty much acknowledged as the best in the biz outside of the NSA). They said that, in its original iteration, TikTok was nakedly state spyware with some very suspicious data streams going back to the mother ship. There was lots of humanint that the CCP was very present at the mothership and playing an active role in fishing in the data streams. Since that time, TikTok has tried several steps to assure folks that the CCP no longer has that kind of access, but there is no way to confirm that. And the Verizon guys said that nothing of substance has really changed in TikTok's approach - i.e. the "firewalling" they set up is easily passable by CCP insiders if they want to. Their assessment overall was that it remained a very credible threat and that businesses would be well-advised to not allow the app to be installed on devices that accessed company networks. This was from a few months ago.

Here's a good sum-up of the recent security assessment by Internet 2-0, a pretty solid private sector security group: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/tik-tok-report-07282022110225.html

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I don't know why state issued devices even need TikTok, but as I said there are other apps that are exploitable, just without the Red baiting value.

When is the governor going to ban TikTok? We were talking about the dangers of social media on another thread - once he bans it, he gets me off the hook from taking it away from my son, and all the kids lose it.

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cowboycwr said:

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I am just curious why the OP has never started threads like this about Dem governor who ban travel to other states?

Or why he did not start one on the governor of Kansas, a Dem, who has also banned TT from state devices?????

OR that Congress has done the same for US government devices?

OR that the Dem governor of Louisiana has done the same.

Or Wisconsin )dem governor).


Why is he so upset about just this one doing it and ignoring the rest????

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I don't live in those states. Duh.

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You don't live in TN:

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/116025

You don't live in CA

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/107575

You don't live in MA

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/107226

You don't live in FL

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/106064/replies/2687932

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cowboycwr said:

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I am just curious why the OP has never started threads like this about Dem governor who ban travel to other states?

Or why he did not start one on the governor of Kansas, a Dem, who has also banned TT from state devices?????

OR that Congress has done the same for US government devices?

OR that the Dem governor of Louisiana has done the same.

Or Wisconsin )dem governor).


Why is he so upset about just this one doing it and ignoring the rest????

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I don't live in those states. Duh.

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That has never stopped you from talking about things in other states before.

cowboycwr said:

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quash said:

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cowboycwr said:

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I am just curious why the OP has never started threads like this about Dem governor who ban travel to other states?

Or why he did not start one on the governor of Kansas, a Dem, who has also banned TT from state devices?????

OR that Congress has done the same for US government devices?

OR that the Dem governor of Louisiana has done the same.

Or Wisconsin )dem governor).


Why is he so upset about just this one doing it and ignoring the rest????

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I don't live in those states. Duh.

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That has never stopped you from talking about things in other states before.

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Oh thanks. Now he's gonna find some inexplicable way to work in "no true Scotsman" or one of his other catch phrases.

quash said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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quash said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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I thought the argument Abbott was making was that TikTok is either CCP spyware, or could easily be amenable to that purpose. In other words, it is an actual security issue. I'm not a fan of prior restraints, but do think that banning for adequate security reasons makes sense. FYI, I note that no one is calling to ban YouTube Shorts, which is basically the same thing.

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That is his assertion. I'm waiting for the evidence.

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Well, I don't have anything I can post, but I did sit in on a security assessment from the Verizon Security guys (pretty much acknowledged as the best in the biz outside of the NSA). They said that, in its original iteration, TikTok was nakedly state spyware with some very suspicious data streams going back to the mother ship. There was lots of humanint that the CCP was very present at the mothership and playing an active role in fishing in the data streams. Since that time, TikTok has tried several steps to assure folks that the CCP no longer has that kind of access, but there is no way to confirm that. And the Verizon guys said that nothing of substance has really changed in TikTok's approach - i.e. the "firewalling" they set up is easily passable by CCP insiders if they want to. Their assessment overall was that it remained a very credible threat and that businesses would be well-advised to not allow the app to be installed on devices that accessed company networks. This was from a few months ago.

Here's a good sum-up of the recent security assessment by Internet 2-0, a pretty solid private sector security group: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/tik-tok-report-07282022110225.html

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I don't know why state issued devices even need TikTok, but as I said there are other apps that are exploitable, just without the Red baiting value.

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Why should state devices allow Tik Tok?

Obviously—OBVIOUSLY—the correct thing to do. https://t.co/7KNgaynZLm

— Justin Lee (@justindeanlee) February 16, 2023

Scattershooting while wondering when is the Texas governor going to ban Tik Tok? My son still has it ... can anyone advise? This seemed like some imminent threat to freedom and censorship. Was the OP lying?

Redbrickbear said:

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Obviously—OBVIOUSLY—the correct thing to do. https://t.co/7KNgaynZLm

— Justin Lee (@justindeanlee) February 16, 2023

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I'm starting to agree. I'm more libertarian but at some point we have to make decisions for the public good.

Osodecentx said:

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quash said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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quash said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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I thought the argument Abbott was making was that TikTok is either CCP spyware, or could easily be amenable to that purpose. In other words, it is an actual security issue. I'm not a fan of prior restraints, but do think that banning for adequate security reasons makes sense. FYI, I note that no one is calling to ban YouTube Shorts, which is basically the same thing.

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That is his assertion. I'm waiting for the evidence.

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Well, I don't have anything I can post, but I did sit in on a security assessment from the Verizon Security guys (pretty much acknowledged as the best in the biz outside of the NSA). They said that, in its original iteration, TikTok was nakedly state spyware with some very suspicious data streams going back to the mother ship. There was lots of humanint that the CCP was very present at the mothership and playing an active role in fishing in the data streams. Since that time, TikTok has tried several steps to assure folks that the CCP no longer has that kind of access, but there is no way to confirm that. And the Verizon guys said that nothing of substance has really changed in TikTok's approach - i.e. the "firewalling" they set up is easily passable by CCP insiders if they want to. Their assessment overall was that it remained a very credible threat and that businesses would be well-advised to not allow the app to be installed on devices that accessed company networks. This was from a few months ago.

Here's a good sum-up of the recent security assessment by Internet 2-0, a pretty solid private sector security group: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/tik-tok-report-07282022110225.html

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I don't know why state issued devices even need TikTok, but as I said there are other apps that are exploitable, just without the Red baiting value.

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Why should state devices allow Tik Tok?

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That's what I said in the post you replied to.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Obviously—OBVIOUSLY—the correct thing to do. https://t.co/7KNgaynZLm

— Justin Lee (@justindeanlee) February 16, 2023

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I'm starting to agree. I'm more libertarian but at some point we have to make decisions for the public good.

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Keep your "we" away from my freedoms.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Obviously—OBVIOUSLY—the correct thing to do. https://t.co/7KNgaynZLm

— Justin Lee (@justindeanlee) February 16, 2023

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I'm starting to agree. I'm more libertarian but at some point we have to make decisions for the public good.

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Certainly if we have already decided to but age limits on tobacco and booze we can have age limits on social media.

quash said:

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Osodecentx said:

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quash said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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quash said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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I thought the argument Abbott was making was that TikTok is either CCP spyware, or could easily be amenable to that purpose. In other words, it is an actual security issue. I'm not a fan of prior restraints, but do think that banning for adequate security reasons makes sense. FYI, I note that no one is calling to ban YouTube Shorts, which is basically the same thing.

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That is his assertion. I'm waiting for the evidence.

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Well, I don't have anything I can post, but I did sit in on a security assessment from the Verizon Security guys (pretty much acknowledged as the best in the biz outside of the NSA). They said that, in its original iteration, TikTok was nakedly state spyware with some very suspicious data streams going back to the mother ship. There was lots of humanint that the CCP was very present at the mothership and playing an active role in fishing in the data streams. Since that time, TikTok has tried several steps to assure folks that the CCP no longer has that kind of access, but there is no way to confirm that. And the Verizon guys said that nothing of substance has really changed in TikTok's approach - i.e. the "firewalling" they set up is easily passable by CCP insiders if they want to. Their assessment overall was that it remained a very credible threat and that businesses would be well-advised to not allow the app to be installed on devices that accessed company networks. This was from a few months ago.

Here's a good sum-up of the recent security assessment by Internet 2-0, a pretty solid private sector security group: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/tik-tok-report-07282022110225.html

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I don't know why state issued devices even need TikTok, but as I said there are other apps that are exploitable, just without the Red baiting value.

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Why should state devices allow Tik Tok?

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That's what I said in the post you replied to.

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Agreement is allowed

Social media CAUSES mental illness, especially heavy use, especially in girls. I lay out the longitudinal and experimental evidence for causality in my latest post at the After Babel Substack: https://t.co/wR3n08h4lN

— Jonathan Haidt (@JonHaidt) February 22, 2023

quash said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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quash said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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I thought the argument Abbott was making was that TikTok is either CCP spyware, or could easily be amenable to that purpose. In other words, it is an actual security issue. I'm not a fan of prior restraints, but do think that banning for adequate security reasons makes sense. FYI, I note that no one is calling to ban YouTube Shorts, which is basically the same thing.

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That is his assertion. I'm waiting for the evidence.

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Well, I don't have anything I can post, but I did sit in on a security assessment from the Verizon Security guys (pretty much acknowledged as the best in the biz outside of the NSA). They said that, in its original iteration, TikTok was nakedly state spyware with some very suspicious data streams going back to the mother ship. There was lots of humanint that the CCP was very present at the mothership and playing an active role in fishing in the data streams. Since that time, TikTok has tried several steps to assure folks that the CCP no longer has that kind of access, but there is no way to confirm that. And the Verizon guys said that nothing of substance has really changed in TikTok's approach - i.e. the "firewalling" they set up is easily passable by CCP insiders if they want to. Their assessment overall was that it remained a very credible threat and that businesses would be well-advised to not allow the app to be installed on devices that accessed company networks. This was from a few months ago.

Here's a good sum-up of the recent security assessment by Internet 2-0, a pretty solid private sector security group: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/tik-tok-report-07282022110225.html

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I don't know why state issued devices even need TikTok, but as I said there are other apps that are exploitable, just without the Red baiting value.

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Well, since its pretty undeniable that the CCP did and likely does use TikTok to engage in data mining for sensitive/competitive information, I don't know that this really qualifies as red-bating.

When Anthony Bliken castigated the CCP for flying baloons over the US, was that red-baiting?

Young women simply cannot handle social media. It's too far outside the social environment to which they are evolutionarily adapted. It destroys them, body and soulhttps://t.co/svHqlomKWp

— Zero H.P. Lovecraft 🦅🐍 (@0x49fa98) February 27, 2023

I'm confused as to how this is censorship. Can someone explain?

OsoCoreyell said:

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quash said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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quash said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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I thought the argument Abbott was making was that TikTok is either CCP spyware, or could easily be amenable to that purpose. In other words, it is an actual security issue. I'm not a fan of prior restraints, but do think that banning for adequate security reasons makes sense. FYI, I note that no one is calling to ban YouTube Shorts, which is basically the same thing.

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That is his assertion. I'm waiting for the evidence.

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Well, I don't have anything I can post, but I did sit in on a security assessment from the Verizon Security guys (pretty much acknowledged as the best in the biz outside of the NSA). They said that, in its original iteration, TikTok was nakedly state spyware with some very suspicious data streams going back to the mother ship. There was lots of humanint that the CCP was very present at the mothership and playing an active role in fishing in the data streams. Since that time, TikTok has tried several steps to assure folks that the CCP no longer has that kind of access, but there is no way to confirm that. And the Verizon guys said that nothing of substance has really changed in TikTok's approach - i.e. the "firewalling" they set up is easily passable by CCP insiders if they want to. Their assessment overall was that it remained a very credible threat and that businesses would be well-advised to not allow the app to be installed on devices that accessed company networks. This was from a few months ago.

Here's a good sum-up of the recent security assessment by Internet 2-0, a pretty solid private sector security group: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/tik-tok-report-07282022110225.html

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I don't know why state issued devices even need TikTok, but as I said there are other apps that are exploitable, just without the Red baiting value.

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Well, since its pretty undeniable that the CCP did and likely does use TikTok to engage in data mining for sensitive/competitive information, I don't know that this really qualifies as red-bating.

When Anthony Bliken castigated the CCP for flying baloons over the US, was that red-baiting?

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Looks like the Reds caught something with their bait. And it didn't involve TikTok.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/02/27/texas-drivers-license-theft-dps/

There was no sign of a teen mental illness epidemic until around 2012. Then liberal girls' rates started increasing. Then everyone else. Why? @glukianoff nailed it: Reverse CBT, as I explain here:https://t.co/mLdsjkgpv7

— Jonathan Haidt (@JonHaidt) March 9, 2023

Redbrickbear said:

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There was no sign of a teen mental illness epidemic until around 2012. Then liberal girls' rates started increasing. Then everyone else. Why? @glukianoff nailed it: Reverse CBT, as I explain here:https://t.co/mLdsjkgpv7

— Jonathan Haidt (@JonHaidt) March 9, 2023

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Liberal girls?