LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Coke Bear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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We do agree that abortion is a horrible thing. Rape and incest are worse, in my opinion.

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I would disagree. While rape and incest are horrible acts, murdering an innocent is much worse.

A rape or incest victim can heal (with extensive therapy, counseling, and time.) There is no healing from being murdered.

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following rd2's logic, if I witness a rape, stopping the crime by shooting both the attacker and the victim stops an evil and prevents an even worse evil.

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fadskier said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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If you believe an acorn is a tree then you cant justify killing the product of a rape or incest etc. Its not the acorns fault.

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If you believe an unborn baby is a baby, you can't justify an abortion.

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Disagree

There are situations were the mothers life is at risk .

Have known 2 women who were told they would die giving birth .

They both chose to give birth anyway and survived . But it was their option .

Rape …..the mother should have the option as well .

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Not one state bans abortion if the mother's life is a stake

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KaiBear said:

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fadskier said:

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KaiBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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If you believe an acorn is a tree then you cant justify killing the product of a rape or incest etc. Its not the acorns fault.

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If you believe an unborn baby is a baby, you can't justify an abortion.

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Disagree

There are situations were the mothers life is at risk .

Have known 2 women who were told they would die giving birth .

They both chose to give birth anyway and survived . But it was their option .

Rape …..the mother should have the option as well .

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Not one state bans abortion if the mother's life is a stake

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Thank you for this information .

Not sure many people realise this.

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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This is a topic that shouldn't be addressed anywhere but between the man, woman and their doctor. If there is no dad involved then between woman and her doctor.

Stop this idiotic discussion everywhere. It's not your business.

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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This is a topic that shouldn't be addressed anywhere but between the man, woman and their doctor. If there is no dad involved then between woman and her doctor.

Stop this idiotic discussion everywhere. It's not your business.

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I agree.

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Pro life? Does the priest acting for God, ask the innocent baby if its ok?

Numbers 5:11-16

Hosea 13:16


The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword;
their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
their pregnant women ripped open.


Making laws based on a few select verses seems wrong to me. There are over 300 Mosiac laws. Guess how many of them are about abortion?

Genesis says Adam became a living soul when he took his first breath, not when God started creating him.

Ancient law says life begins with breath.

Exodus 21 :21-23 The penalty for causing miscarriage is not the same as thr penalty for causing death. I wonder why?

I am not pro abortion. I did not choose it in my personal life. I do not want to live in a theocracy.. The one time the Bible mentions abortion is when a priest carries it out to punish a woman.

Live your life. Pray for others. Stop trying to pass laws based on you religious convictions.

If you are going to punish women, punush men too. If a man throws a baby on a women he should be forced to provide. The laws on paternital responsabilty are pitiful and largly unenforced.

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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fadskier said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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if they expect to win in 2024. I abhor abortion. But I still think a woman should be allowed to have one before 15 weeks. And later if rape, incest, or danger to the mother is a factor.

My stance has changed on abortion. Based on what I have seen these last 2 1/2 years, any registered Democrat voter or anyone that claims they voted for Joe Biden should be given an exemption, regardless of their state law. They should be granted an abortion, no questions asked up to full gestation. It is in the best interest of our country to limit the number of Liberal Democrats in the future. We are talking about the long-term survival of our country. This is a win/ win except for the unborn that will give their lives for a better future for all of us.

What say you Liberal Democrats? Isn't this what you want? Let's light this candle. Common ground.

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Here's my feeling on that. I am unapologetically prolife. The problem is that many prolifers are open to compromise but many, if not most, prochoicers are not. They will not agree to outlawing abortion except for the situations you mention SO...if they are not willing to compromise, why should I?

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Actually I agree with Aliceinbubbleland. Abortion (at 15 weeks or sooner) should be a decision between the mother and father and ultimately the mother. It is not our place to speak for every woman in the world and her individual circumstances. It is a decision between her and God.

My daughter recently gave birth to a beautiful baby boy. We cannot imagine life without him.

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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fadskier said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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if they expect to win in 2024. I abhor abortion. But I still think a woman should be allowed to have one before 15 weeks. And later if rape, incest, or danger to the mother is a factor.

My stance has changed on abortion. Based on what I have seen these last 2 1/2 years, any registered Democrat voter or anyone that claims they voted for Joe Biden should be given an exemption, regardless of their state law. They should be granted an abortion, no questions asked up to full gestation. It is in the best interest of our country to limit the number of Liberal Democrats in the future. We are talking about the long-term survival of our country. This is a win/ win except for the unborn that will give their lives for a better future for all of us.

What say you Liberal Democrats? Isn't this what you want? Let's light this candle. Common ground.

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Here's my feeling on that. I am unapologetically prolife. The problem is that many prolifers are open to compromise but many, if not most, prochoicers are not. They will not agree to outlawing abortion except for the situations you mention SO...if they are not willing to compromise, why should I?

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Actually I agree with Aliceinbubbleland. Abortion (at 15 weeks or sooner) should be a decision between the mother and father and ultimately the mother. It is not our place to speak for every woman in the world and her individual circumstances. It is a decision between her and God.

My daughter recently gave birth to a beautiful baby boy. We cannot imagine life without him.

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Your thoughts on this matter seem a bit incongruous. You are delighted with your beautiful baby grandson and can't imagine life without him......yet you would have supported your daughter's decision to tear him limb by limb as he is ripped away from the safe environment of the womb he was healthily developing in, even if it was for mere convenience?

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When our daughter came to us in tears after learning she was pregnant, she was unsure if her and her fianc were ready to be parents. My daughter had advanced endometriosis, so her even getting pregnant was a longshot. She knew my stance on abortion. I hugged and held her and told no matter what her decision, I would still love her. I am her father and will always love her no matter what.

Once she heard the baby's heartbeat after the sonogram, she said there was no way she was giving up that baby.
My liberal, indoctrinated daughter gave birth to an angel from Heaven. My daughter did not tear him limb from limb. She did the right thing.

Yes, abortion is a HORRIBLE thing!

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Pro life? Does the priest acting for God, ask the innocent baby if its ok?

Numbers 5:11-16

Hosea 13:16


The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword;
their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
their pregnant women ripped open.


Making laws based on a few select verses seems wrong to me. There are over 300 Mosiac laws. Guess how many of them are about abortion?

Genesis says Adam became a living soul when he took his first breath, not when God started creating him.

Ancient law says life begins with breath.

Exodus 21 :21-23 The penalty for causing miscarriage is not the same as thr penalty for causing death. I wonder why?

I am not pro abortion. I did not choose it in my personal life. I do not want to live in a theocracy.. The one time the Bible mentions abortion is when a priest carries it out to punish a woman.

Live your life. Pray for others. Stop trying to pass laws based on you religious convictions.

If you are going to punish women, punush men too. If a man throws a baby on a women he should be forced to provide. The laws on paternital responsabilty are pitiful and largly unenforced.

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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fadskier said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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if they expect to win in 2024. I abhor abortion. But I still think a woman should be allowed to have one before 15 weeks. And later if rape, incest, or danger to the mother is a factor.

My stance has changed on abortion. Based on what I have seen these last 2 1/2 years, any registered Democrat voter or anyone that claims they voted for Joe Biden should be given an exemption, regardless of their state law. They should be granted an abortion, no questions asked up to full gestation. It is in the best interest of our country to limit the number of Liberal Democrats in the future. We are talking about the long-term survival of our country. This is a win/ win except for the unborn that will give their lives for a better future for all of us.

What say you Liberal Democrats? Isn't this what you want? Let's light this candle. Common ground.

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Here's my feeling on that. I am unapologetically prolife. The problem is that many prolifers are open to compromise but many, if not most, prochoicers are not. They will not agree to outlawing abortion except for the situations you mention SO...if they are not willing to compromise, why should I?

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Actually I agree with Aliceinbubbleland. Abortion (at 15 weeks or sooner) should be a decision between the mother and father and ultimately the mother. It is not our place to speak for every woman in the world and her individual circumstances. It is a decision between her and God.

My daughter recently gave birth to a beautiful baby boy. We cannot imagine life without him.

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Your thoughts on this matter seem a bit incongruous. You are delighted with your beautiful baby grandson and can't imagine life without him......yet you would have supported your daughter's decision to tear him limb by limb as he is ripped away from the safe environment of the womb he was healthily developing in, even if it was for mere convenience?

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When our daughter came to us in tears after learning she was pregnant, she was unsure if her and her fianc were ready to be parents. My daughter had advanced endometriosis, so her even getting pregnant was a longshot. She knew my stance on abortion. I hugged and held her and told no matter what her decision, I would still love her. I am her father and will always love her no matter what.

Once she heard the baby's heartbeat after the sonogram, she said there was no way she was giving up that baby.
My liberal, indoctrinated daughter gave birth to an angel from Heaven. My daughter did not tear him limb from limb. She did the right thing.

Yes, abortion is a HORRIBLE thing!

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....but you would have supported her "right" to tear him limb from limb, correct? That's the incongruous part.

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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fadskier said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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if they expect to win in 2024. I abhor abortion. But I still think a woman should be allowed to have one before 15 weeks. And later if rape, incest, or danger to the mother is a factor.

My stance has changed on abortion. Based on what I have seen these last 2 1/2 years, any registered Democrat voter or anyone that claims they voted for Joe Biden should be given an exemption, regardless of their state law. They should be granted an abortion, no questions asked up to full gestation. It is in the best interest of our country to limit the number of Liberal Democrats in the future. We are talking about the long-term survival of our country. This is a win/ win except for the unborn that will give their lives for a better future for all of us.

What say you Liberal Democrats? Isn't this what you want? Let's light this candle. Common ground.

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Here's my feeling on that. I am unapologetically prolife. The problem is that many prolifers are open to compromise but many, if not most, prochoicers are not. They will not agree to outlawing abortion except for the situations you mention SO...if they are not willing to compromise, why should I?

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Actually I agree with Aliceinbubbleland. Abortion (at 15 weeks or sooner) should be a decision between the mother and father and ultimately the mother. It is not our place to speak for every woman in the world and her individual circumstances. It is a decision between her and God.

My daughter recently gave birth to a beautiful baby boy. We cannot imagine life without him.

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Your thoughts on this matter seem a bit incongruous. You are delighted with your beautiful baby grandson and can't imagine life without him......yet you would have supported your daughter's decision to tear him limb by limb as he is ripped away from the safe environment of the womb he was healthily developing in, even if it was for mere convenience?

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When our daughter came to us in tears after learning she was pregnant, she was unsure if her and her fianc were ready to be parents. My daughter had advanced endometriosis, so her even getting pregnant was a longshot. She knew my stance on abortion. I hugged and held her and told no matter what her decision, I would still love her. I am her father and will always love her no matter what.

Once she heard the baby's heartbeat after the sonogram, she said there was no way she was giving up that baby.
My liberal, indoctrinated daughter gave birth to an angel from Heaven. My daughter did not tear him limb from limb. She did the right thing.

Yes, abortion is a HORRIBLE thing!

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....but you would have supported her "right" to tear him limb from limb, correct? That's the incongruous part.

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So how many unwanted children have you adopted, fed, housed, and clothed through the age of eighteen? Yeah, that's what I thought. You remind me of a blue state sanctuary city.

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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The question is when life begins. Many people think life begins at birth with the first breath. You calling people names because they dont belief exatly like you is the reason most people dont want a theocracy.

The Bible can be used to argue it either way. My Bible says that God formed Adam out of dust of the ground. So Adam was formed. Then God blew the breath of life and Adam became a living being.

God told a priest to give a woman a test to she if she was unfaithful. If she were guilty it would cause a miscarriage. Nobody asked the innocent unborn.

Most people do not want America turned into a theocracy.

I dont like abortion. Its not my role to condemn those that dont believe like me.

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If it is "not your role to condemn those that don't believe like you", then how in the world are you to condemn murder, rape, etc? As I said before, it is troubling how you view this as a virtue, instead of it as the anti-civilizational nonsense that it really is.

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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At 14 and 15 B and I found out she was pregnant. We looked at options, I told her I would work my ass off and take care of her and our baby. She considered abortion but we got married, Daughter is now 47. Abortion was legal in 1976 so she had options. We made the right decision for us. It was her (and to a certain extent my) decision. There was no need to the state of Texas or the governor or the feds to get involved. Isnt that the way its supposed to be?

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So because you chose not to murder your baby, we should give women the option of murdering their baby. There's that LIQR logic we all know and love.

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Who gives you the right to give any options? Why do you have the power to force your believes on others?

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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The question is when life begins. Many people think life begins at birth with the first breath. You calling people names because they dont belief exatly like you is the reason most people dont want a theocracy.

The Bible can be used to argue it either way. My Bible says that God formed Adam out of dust of the ground. So Adam was formed. Then God blew the breath of life and Adam became a living being.

God told a priest to give a woman a test to she if she was unfaithful. If she were guilty it would cause a miscarriage. Nobody asked the innocent unborn.

Most people do not want America turned into a theocracy.

I dont like abortion. Its not my role to condemn those that dont believe like me.

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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" Their parents chose to make them in 99.999% of all cases, when they chose to have sex."

Really?

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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The question is when life begins. Many people think life begins at birth with the first breath. You calling people names because they dont belief exatly like you is the reason most people dont want a theocracy.

The Bible can be used to argue it either way. My Bible says that God formed Adam out of dust of the ground. So Adam was formed. Then God blew the breath of life and Adam became a living being.

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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God told a priest to give a woman a test to she if she was unfaithful. If she were guilty it would cause a miscarriage. Nobody asked the innocent unborn.

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Wangchung said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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" Their parents chose to make them in 99.999% of all cases, when they chose to have sex."

Really?

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Yep. That's how babies are made. It's no hidden secret.

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Wangchung said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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" Their parents chose to make them in 99.999% of all cases, when they chose to have sex."

Really?

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Yep. That's how babies are made. It's no hidden secret.

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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This is a topic that shouldn't be addressed anywhere but between the man, woman and their doctor. If there is no dad involved then between woman and her doctor.

Stop this idiotic discussion everywhere. It's not your business.

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He Hate Me said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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This is a topic that shouldn't be addressed anywhere but between the man, woman and their doctor. If there is no dad involved then between woman and her doctor.

Stop this idiotic discussion everywhere. It's not your business.

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And if a man doesn't want to pay child support, then that is between himself and the mother. And if he has abandoned the mother and child, then it is up to him only.

Stop this idiotic discussion everywhere. It's not your business.

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Wangchung said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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" Their parents chose to make them in 99.999% of all cases, when they chose to have sex."

Really?

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Yep. That's how babies are made. It's no hidden secret.

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So every time you and your wife have sex you are choosing to have a baby? How many children do you have?

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Coke Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Coke Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Are you not aware of common pregnancy complications?

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What specific complications?

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For the victim of a rape to be forced to carry a fetus to term is just evil. Women should be able to avoid pregnancy by choosing who to have sex with and when. If I thought the survival of humanity could he dependent upon these rape babies that might change my mind, but while the fetus is certainly innocent in the case of rape, so is the mother. Being forced to live with a constant reminder of that trauma is just horrible.

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If our country does does execute the rape victim and we don't execute the rapist, why should we execute the innocent baby?

Aborting the baby does not get rid of the pain of rape. It only adds to it. Many women feel the shame of the rape and now have to live with the regret of an abortion. It compounds that wound.

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Women should simply be able to choose for themselves. Whether a woman gives birth and mothers a child or not should not depend upon whether or not a man decides to rape her.

The government forcing women to bear the children of rapists is not appropriate.

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Does the fetus get a choice?

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He Hate Me said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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This is a topic that shouldn't be addressed anywhere but between the man, woman and their doctor. If there is no dad involved then between woman and her doctor.

Stop this idiotic discussion everywhere. It's not your business.

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And if a man doesn't want to pay child support, then that is between himself and the mother. And if he has abandoned the mother and child, then it is up to him only.

Stop this idiotic discussion everywhere. It's not your business.

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