sombear said:Redbrickbear said:sombear said:Russia invaded, period. Russia was always going to invade.Sam Lowry said:Or so they thought. Now they're learning otherwise. They're one of many peoples who have bought into the "freedom vs. tyranny" narrative and suffered the consequences. Israel is another one.sombear said:Probably a good idea to join forces with someone when your neighbor invades and kills your people.Sam Lowry said:They were in a state of civil war in 2014. By 2022 they were a de facto US "ally" (although "pawn" might be a better description).sombear said:Really, how were they not neutral in 2014?Sam Lowry said:And they would be sovereign today had they kept their agreement to remain neutral.sombear said:What part of 1991 do y'all not understand. Overwhelming majorities supported breaking away from Russia. Even Crimea - which most of y'all basically deem "Russia" - was over 50%.Redbrickbear said:trey3216 said:It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,The_barBEARian said:Redbrickbear said:The_barBEARian said:Ireland is a deeply sick country.
— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024
Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.
This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE
She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland
It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation
PS
Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda
At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.
Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.
Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.
Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.
These lands are historically Polish and Russian.
Its always been a split country at the least
Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow
And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow
The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.
And since then, not one measly area ever voted to leave Ukraine before Russia invaded.
Putin (and some of you) may not like it, but Ukraine has always been a sovereign nation.
Who invaded whom in 2014 depends on which point of view you take. I would argue it was Ukraine and not Russia that invaded the Donbas. The people of the Donbas would agree, for what little that's worth to Americans. But it doesn't really matter in terms of your larger question. Ukraine's status was uncertain at the time. Its neutrality or allegiance was one of the things that would be decided by the civil war.
The West knew better than to officially invite Ukraine into NATO and then start building up its army. We did things the other way around, hoping that by the time Russia reacted it would be too late. That was where things stood when Russia finally invaded in 2022.
Not before 2014 and Maidan revolution they were not
Why would they have...Ukraine under the Party of Regions was friendly with Russia.
Kyiv in fact had just turned away from a EU ascension deal and agreed to a deeper economic partnership with Moscow "Yanukovych reached agreement with Russia's Vladimir Putin, for loans, lower gas prices and joint economic projects"
And just a few years earlier Kyiv had agreed to extend the Russian lease on the Black Sea naval base in Crimea out until 2042
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharkiv_Pact#:~:text=The%20Agreement%20between%20Ukraine%20and,Crimea%20was%20extended%20beyond%202017
Crazy how a street coup (celebrated in DC) just so happened to break out right after two deals were inked by Kyiv that brought them close to Moscow.....just a coincidence I guess
Again, take your anti-American blinders off and explain how we (or anyone else) knew Yanukovych was going to suddenly change his mind, spurn the EU, and climb in bed with Putin.
"Anti-American" come on now…DC does not speak for America
And the CIA and State Department goobers certainly do not.
PS
I don't think people knew Yanukoych was going to pull out of the EU deal
(Moscow probably bribed him)
The point is the coup took place right after that event.
Almost like certain groups decided he had to go once he pulled out of the EU deal….