BREAKING:
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) April 2, 2024
Zelensky just signed a law that lowers the conscription age from 27 to 25
Tens of thousands of new soldiers will join the army, receive training and go into battle against the Russian Army
The preservation of Ukrainian statehood depends on defeating the Russian Army pic.twitter.com/0I0i1pvm0a
Why Are We in Ukraine?
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You don't understand the concept of flexible defense.whiterock said:Russia has been on the offensive for approx 80% of the timeframe. So it's hardly unreasonable to expect them to have higher casualty rates. Ukraine has been on the defensive the last 6 months, during which time Russia has been engaging in human wave assaults which is driving up their loss rate.Realitybites said:Quote:
Every single thing you are arguing about Ukraine is also true of Russia, who has lost somewhere in the range of 6x the numbers of troops Ukraine has lost.
Nobody believes this, not even Zelensky.
Yes, yes they are.
— Doug Stafford (@dougstafford) April 2, 2024
The bigger problem, McConnell added, is that more of his conference is agreeing with Paul’s view; roughly half the Senate Republicans voted for the foreign aid bill and its $60 billion in Ukraine funding.
https://t.co/2WydUtA14O
that's not the context and you know it..... We were talking about the USSR era, not today.Realitybites said:whiterock said:
You do understand I used to chase Soviets around for a living, don't you?
There are more Soviets in DC in 2024 than in the Kremlin. For that matter, there are more Soviets in Austin in 2024 than in the Kremlin. The world has changed a lot in the 41 years since Korean 007. Its unfortunate that you didn't change with it.
One thing that hasn't changed is the Russians themselves, who as a rule are incredibly arrogant, self-entitled bullies. And corrupt to boot.
LOL could not be more ironic in view of your assessments of this war.Sam Lowry said:You don't understand the concept of flexible defense.whiterock said:Russia has been on the offensive for approx 80% of the timeframe. So it's hardly unreasonable to expect them to have higher casualty rates. Ukraine has been on the defensive the last 6 months, during which time Russia has been engaging in human wave assaults which is driving up their loss rate.Realitybites said:Quote:
Every single thing you are arguing about Ukraine is also true of Russia, who has lost somewhere in the range of 6x the numbers of troops Ukraine has lost.
Nobody believes this, not even Zelensky.
I was serving abroad, chasing Soviets, when the USSR broke up. Held in my hands the cable from HQS saying "we won" (in a lot more words than that).Sam Lowry said:I'm talking about the breakup of the Soviet Union and the independence of Ukraine. If anyone's changing the subject, it's you with this KAL 007 stuff.whiterock said:Now you're changing the subject. You do understand I used to chase Soviets around for a living, don't you?Sam Lowry said:You and countless other like-minded nitwits, which is why Gorbachev was taking such a big risk. You overlook the importance of the reforms that happened on his initiative. Of course he didn't anticipate that the USSR would break apart - nor did we, for that matter. But if your view were correct, the Cold War would not have ended how and when it did.whiterock said:
LOL they were a defeated foe. THEY LOST THE COLD WAR. And not by negotiated surrender. Not by folding their tents and marching home. They collapsed on the field of battle in the middle of the contest.
I was there when it happened.....
You haven't lived until you stood face to face with a Soviet and had them give earnest explanation for why shooting down KAL 007 was justified. In some ways, it reminds me of your schtick here.
You are just like those Soviets defending the shootdown of KAL007, or some other Soviet nonsense......defending positions disconnected from reality. n
Did I say KAL 007, or Malasian Air 17?Bear8084 said:Realitybites said:whiterock said:
You do understand I used to chase Soviets around for a living, don't you?
There are more Soviets in DC in 2024 than in the Kremlin. For that matter, there are more Soviets in Austin in 2024 than in the Kremlin. The world has changed a lot in the 41 years since Korean 007. Its unfortunate that you didn't change with it.
Things have changed, sure. Now they just deny shooting down civilian airliners.
Which was it?
oh. it was both.....
At least with KAL 007, the plane was over Russian territory rather than the territory of some other sovereign nation.
Nato doesn't need to fully mobilize to win the war in Ukraine. It has a 10-1 advantage. Just letting Ukraine have the stuff we were planning to destroy anyway has brought Russia to a standstill.Sam Lowry said:You missed the point. We never mobilized for Ukraine, and now it's far too late.whiterock said:LOL you blundered into that one. Freight trains are central to the Russian war machine.....their logistical chain relies upon them to a degree no other military does. Russia has an entire military command devoted to railway operations (+/- 30k troops).Sam Lowry said:Freight trains aren't built for war. Neither is the NATO economy. That's all I needed to say a year ago, and it's only proven truer in the weeks and months since.whiterock said:It's just Sam Lowery-lite, and actually undermines your assertion that Ukraine is out of manpower.Realitybites said:
America has no Ukraine Plan B except more war
https://asiatimes.com/2024/03/america-has-no-ukraine-plan-b-except-more-war/
Good read, shows where Whiterock's flawed numbers come from. Ukraine is collapsing and barring a foolish move by NATO to ignite WW3 by overtly deploying combat forces to Ukraine the choice is to give the Russians the eastern half, or lose the whole thing.
If sanity prevails President Trump will have negotiators at the table in 2025 hammering out the details of that first option and this latest neocon project will be added to the list of foreign policy misadventures that include Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam.
All you have to do to blow his argument out of the water is point to the combined GDP of Russia vs NATO. It's the difference between a pickup truck and a freight train.
No peacetime economy is built for war. They have to mobilize. And the size of your economy limits how much one can mobilize. The Russian economy is 10% the size of the Nato economy. They have no hope of winning a war against Nato.
https://www.worldeconomics.com/Thoughts/NATOs-Combined-GDP-is-far-larger-than-Russias.aspx
Russia also faces a daunting mismatch in population, 6-to-1:
https://countryeconomy.com/countries/groups/nato
Russia is already at the point where additional mobilizations will affect economic output.....
We have, btw, stepped up our acquisition of arms/ammo. Nowhere near a full mobilization. I'd like to do more but, you know, there are a quite a number of noisy numbskulls standing in the way.
Not even close.whiterock said:Nato doesn't need to fully mobilize to win the war in Ukraine. It has a 10-1 advantage. Just letting Ukraine have the stuff we were planning to destroy anyway has brought Russia to a standstill.Sam Lowry said:You missed the point. We never mobilized for Ukraine, and now it's far too late.whiterock said:LOL you blundered into that one. Freight trains are central to the Russian war machine.....their logistical chain relies upon them to a degree no other military does. Russia has an entire military command devoted to railway operations (+/- 30k troops).Sam Lowry said:Freight trains aren't built for war. Neither is the NATO economy. That's all I needed to say a year ago, and it's only proven truer in the weeks and months since.whiterock said:It's just Sam Lowery-lite, and actually undermines your assertion that Ukraine is out of manpower.Realitybites said:
America has no Ukraine Plan B except more war
https://asiatimes.com/2024/03/america-has-no-ukraine-plan-b-except-more-war/
Good read, shows where Whiterock's flawed numbers come from. Ukraine is collapsing and barring a foolish move by NATO to ignite WW3 by overtly deploying combat forces to Ukraine the choice is to give the Russians the eastern half, or lose the whole thing.
If sanity prevails President Trump will have negotiators at the table in 2025 hammering out the details of that first option and this latest neocon project will be added to the list of foreign policy misadventures that include Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam.
All you have to do to blow his argument out of the water is point to the combined GDP of Russia vs NATO. It's the difference between a pickup truck and a freight train.
No peacetime economy is built for war. They have to mobilize. And the size of your economy limits how much one can mobilize. The Russian economy is 10% the size of the Nato economy. They have no hope of winning a war against Nato.
https://www.worldeconomics.com/Thoughts/NATOs-Combined-GDP-is-far-larger-than-Russias.aspx
Russia also faces a daunting mismatch in population, 6-to-1:
https://countryeconomy.com/countries/groups/nato
Russia is already at the point where additional mobilizations will affect economic output.....
But I thought the Russians were this big bad super duper threat to NATO?whiterock said:Nato doesn't need to fully mobilize to win the war in Ukraine. It has a 10-1 advantage.Sam Lowry said:You missed the point. We never mobilized for Ukraine, and now it's far too late.whiterock said:LOL you blundered into that one. Freight trains are central to the Russian war machine.....their logistical chain relies upon them to a degree no other military does. Russia has an entire military command devoted to railway operations (+/- 30k troops).Sam Lowry said:Freight trains aren't built for war. Neither is the NATO economy. That's all I needed to say a year ago, and it's only proven truer in the weeks and months since.whiterock said:It's just Sam Lowery-lite, and actually undermines your assertion that Ukraine is out of manpower.Realitybites said:
America has no Ukraine Plan B except more war
https://asiatimes.com/2024/03/america-has-no-ukraine-plan-b-except-more-war/
Good read, shows where Whiterock's flawed numbers come from. Ukraine is collapsing and barring a foolish move by NATO to ignite WW3 by overtly deploying combat forces to Ukraine the choice is to give the Russians the eastern half, or lose the whole thing.
If sanity prevails President Trump will have negotiators at the table in 2025 hammering out the details of that first option and this latest neocon project will be added to the list of foreign policy misadventures that include Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam.
All you have to do to blow his argument out of the water is point to the combined GDP of Russia vs NATO. It's the difference between a pickup truck and a freight train.
No peacetime economy is built for war. They have to mobilize. And the size of your economy limits how much one can mobilize. The Russian economy is 10% the size of the Nato economy. They have no hope of winning a war against Nato.
https://www.worldeconomics.com/Thoughts/NATOs-Combined-GDP-is-far-larger-than-Russias.aspx
Russia also faces a daunting mismatch in population, 6-to-1:
https://countryeconomy.com/countries/groups/nato
Russia is already at the point where additional mobilizations will affect economic output.....
Surely won't it take everything we have to hold back the endless hoards of battle trained russkie conscripts read to drive their invincible armies all the way to Paris?
You should not wait to have multiple cavities before you get treatmentRedbrickbear said:But I thought the Russians were this big bad super duper threat to NATO?whiterock said:Nato doesn't need to fully mobilize to win the war in Ukraine. It has a 10-1 advantage.Sam Lowry said:You missed the point. We never mobilized for Ukraine, and now it's far too late.whiterock said:LOL you blundered into that one. Freight trains are central to the Russian war machine.....their logistical chain relies upon them to a degree no other military does. Russia has an entire military command devoted to railway operations (+/- 30k troops).Sam Lowry said:Freight trains aren't built for war. Neither is the NATO economy. That's all I needed to say a year ago, and it's only proven truer in the weeks and months since.whiterock said:It's just Sam Lowery-lite, and actually undermines your assertion that Ukraine is out of manpower.Realitybites said:
America has no Ukraine Plan B except more war
https://asiatimes.com/2024/03/america-has-no-ukraine-plan-b-except-more-war/
Good read, shows where Whiterock's flawed numbers come from. Ukraine is collapsing and barring a foolish move by NATO to ignite WW3 by overtly deploying combat forces to Ukraine the choice is to give the Russians the eastern half, or lose the whole thing.
If sanity prevails President Trump will have negotiators at the table in 2025 hammering out the details of that first option and this latest neocon project will be added to the list of foreign policy misadventures that include Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam.
All you have to do to blow his argument out of the water is point to the combined GDP of Russia vs NATO. It's the difference between a pickup truck and a freight train.
No peacetime economy is built for war. They have to mobilize. And the size of your economy limits how much one can mobilize. The Russian economy is 10% the size of the Nato economy. They have no hope of winning a war against Nato.
https://www.worldeconomics.com/Thoughts/NATOs-Combined-GDP-is-far-larger-than-Russias.aspx
Russia also faces a daunting mismatch in population, 6-to-1:
https://countryeconomy.com/countries/groups/nato
Russia is already at the point where additional mobilizations will affect economic output.....
Surely won't it take everything we have to hold back the endless hoards of battle trained russkie conscripts read to drive their invincible armies all the way to Paris?
For future reference….
For the "Europe needs to pull their weight" #MAGA crowd. https://t.co/YTAhimBVs6
— Paul Niland (@PaulNiland) April 3, 2024
Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
Ukraine joins NATO, there is no attack.Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
Put them into NATO this year and then send troops over to start WW3?J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
This was the goal going all the way back to the Maidan coup back in 2014
Of course after Ukraine they will want to bring Belarus into NATO as well to compete the encirclement of Russia.
I suppose you will be supporting that as well….
Redbrickbear said:J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
This was the goal going all the way back to the Maidan coup back in 2014
Of course after Ukraine they will want to bring Belarus into NATO as well to compete the encirclement of Russia.
I suppose you will be supporting that as well….
More Russian conspiracy theories.
Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
This was the goal going all the way back to the Maidan coup back in 2014
Of course after Ukraine they will want to bring Belarus into NATO as well to compete the encirclement of Russia.
I suppose you will be supporting that as well….
More Russian conspiracy theories.
More like a rational extrapolation by looking at past actions.
Are you willing to go on record as claiming DC will never do that?
Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
This was the goal going all the way back to the Maidan coup back in 2014
Of course after Ukraine they will want to bring Belarus into NATO as well to compete the encirclement of Russia.
I suppose you will be supporting that as well….
More Russian conspiracy theories.
More like a rational extrapolation by looking a past actions.
Are you willing to go on record as claiming DC will never do that?
Sure, because you continue to fail to grasp why countries want to join NATO in the first place. And then buy into pro-RU propaganda of "deep state" and "evil" DC.
Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
This was the goal going all the way back to the Maidan coup back in 2014
Of course after Ukraine they will want to bring Belarus into NATO as well to compete the encirclement of Russia.
I suppose you will be supporting that as well….
More Russian conspiracy theories.
More like a rational extrapolation by looking at past actions.
Are you willing to go on record as claiming DC will never do that?
Imagine that, countries that have lived through Russian aggression want to join an alliance that protects them of said aggression.
Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
This was the goal going all the way back to the Maidan coup back in 2014
Of course after Ukraine they will want to bring Belarus into NATO as well to compete the encirclement of Russia.
I suppose you will be supporting that as well….
More Russian conspiracy theories.
More like a rational extrapolation by looking a past actions.
Are you willing to go on record as claiming DC will never do that?
And then buy into pro-RU propaganda of "deep state" and evil DC.
I can assure you we have had a deep State in the USA long before the Russian Federation even existed.
Now we can debate its actions…and it's it evil, good, or neutral.
But please don't play dumb…you are smart enough to understand the concept of the "permanent state".
Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
This was the goal going all the way back to the Maidan coup back in 2014
Of course after Ukraine they will want to bring Belarus into NATO as well to compete the encirclement of Russia.
I suppose you will be supporting that as well….
More Russian conspiracy theories.
More like a rational extrapolation by looking a past actions.
Are you willing to go on record as claiming DC will never do that?
And then buy into pro-RU propaganda of "deep state" and evil DC.
I can assure you we have had a deep State in the USA long before the Russian Federation even existed.
Now we can debate its actions…and it's it evil, good, or neutral.
But please don't play dumb…you are smart enough to understand the concept of the "permanent state".
And you're smart enough to take the tinfoil hat off every now and then.
Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
This was the goal going all the way back to the Maidan coup back in 2014
Of course after Ukraine they will want to bring Belarus into NATO as well to compete the encirclement of Russia.
I suppose you will be supporting that as well….
More Russian conspiracy theories.
More like a rational extrapolation by looking a past actions.
Are you willing to go on record as claiming DC will never do that?
And then buy into pro-RU propaganda of "deep state" and evil DC.
I can assure you we have had a deep State in the USA long before the Russian Federation even existed.
Now we can debate its actions…and it's it evil, good, or neutral.
But please don't play dumb…you are smart enough to understand the concept of the "permanent state".
And you're smart enough to take the tinfoil hat off every now and then.
If you would educate yourself by just a simple search you would find that the idea of a USA deep state is not even particularly controversial anymore…
Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
This was the goal going all the way back to the Maidan coup back in 2014
Of course after Ukraine they will want to bring Belarus into NATO as well to compete the encirclement of Russia.
I suppose you will be supporting that as well….
More Russian conspiracy theories.
More like a rational extrapolation by looking at past actions.
Are you willing to go on record as claiming DC will never do that?
Imagine that, countries that have lived through Russian aggression want to join an alliance that protects them of said aggression.
You still seem to be under the impression that the communist Soviet Union and the modern Russian state are the same entity.
Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
This was the goal going all the way back to the Maidan coup back in 2014
Of course after Ukraine they will want to bring Belarus into NATO as well to compete the encirclement of Russia.
I suppose you will be supporting that as well….
More Russian conspiracy theories.
More like a rational extrapolation by looking at past actions.
Are you willing to go on record as claiming DC will never do that?
Imagine that, countries that have lived through Russian aggression want to join an alliance that protects them of said aggression.
You still seem to be under the impression that the communist Soviet Union and the modern Russian state are the same entity.
Uh huh. As they launch the largest aggressive land grab since WWII.
No WW3, pal. It is the West against Putin. As my hero (The Dude (Lebowski)said, "This aggression will not stand, man"Doc Holliday said:Put them into NATO this year and then send troops over to start WW3?J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
This was the goal going all the way back to the Maidan coup back in 2014
Of course after Ukraine they will want to bring Belarus into NATO as well to compete the encirclement of Russia.
I suppose you will be supporting that as well….
More Russian conspiracy theories.
More like a rational extrapolation by looking a past actions.
Are you willing to go on record as claiming DC will never do that?
And then buy into pro-RU propaganda of "deep state" and evil DC.
I can assure you we have had a deep State in the USA long before the Russian Federation even existed.
Now we can debate its actions…and it's it evil, good, or neutral.
But please don't play dumb…you are smart enough to understand the concept of the "permanent state".
And you're smart enough to take the tinfoil hat off every now and then.
If you would educate yourself by just a simple search you would find that the idea of a USA deep state is not even particularly controversial anymore…
Yes, opinion pieces about bureaucracy are scary.
Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
This was the goal going all the way back to the Maidan coup back in 2014
Of course after Ukraine they will want to bring Belarus into NATO as well to compete the encirclement of Russia.
I suppose you will be supporting that as well….
More Russian conspiracy theories.
More like a rational extrapolation by looking at past actions.
Are you willing to go on record as claiming DC will never do that?
Imagine that, countries that have lived through Russian aggression want to join an alliance that protects them of said aggression.
You still seem to be under the impression that the communist Soviet Union and the modern Russian state are the same entity.
Uh huh. As they launch the largest aggressive land grab since WWII.
You don't even read much about the rest of world do you?
Tibet is 3 times larger than Ukraine and was completely absorbed by China AFTER World War II
[The Chinese government demanded that representatives of Tibet arrive in Beijing by September 16, 1950, but Tibetan officials ignored the demand. PRC government troops entered the Tibetan land on October 7, 1950, and Chinese troops captured the town of Qamdo (Chamdo) on October 19, 1950.]
Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
This was the goal going all the way back to the Maidan coup back in 2014
Of course after Ukraine they will want to bring Belarus into NATO as well to compete the encirclement of Russia.
I suppose you will be supporting that as well….
More Russian conspiracy theories.
More like a rational extrapolation by looking at past actions.
Are you willing to go on record as claiming DC will never do that?
Imagine that, countries that have lived through Russian aggression want to join an alliance that protects them of said aggression.
You still seem to be under the impression that the communist Soviet Union and the modern Russian state are the same entity.
Uh huh. As they launch the largest aggressive land grab since WWII.
You don't even read much about the rest of world do you?
Tibet is 3 times larger than Ukraine and was completely absorbed by China AFTER World War II
[The Chinese government demanded that representatives of Tibet arrive in Beijing by September 16, 1950, but Tibetan officials ignored the demand. PRC government troops entered the Tibetan on October 7, 1950, and Chinese troops captured the town of Qamdo (Chamdo) on October 19, 1950.]
*yawn*
*European
And I wouldn't talk about not reading about the world much when you continue to share and boost quite a bit of RU misinformation.
Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
This was the goal going all the way back to the Maidan coup back in 2014
Of course after Ukraine they will want to bring Belarus into NATO as well to compete the encirclement of Russia.
I suppose you will be supporting that as well….
More Russian conspiracy theories.
More like a rational extrapolation by looking a past actions.
Are you willing to go on record as claiming DC will never do that?
And then buy into pro-RU propaganda of "deep state" and evil DC.
I can assure you we have had a deep State in the USA long before the Russian Federation even existed.
Now we can debate its actions…and it's it evil, good, or neutral.
But please don't play dumb…you are smart enough to understand the concept of the "permanent state".
And you're smart enough to take the tinfoil hat off every now and then.
If you would educate yourself by just a simple search you would find that the idea of a USA deep state is not even particularly controversial anymore…
Yes, opinion pieces about bureaucracy are scary.
Not even "scary"…they just prove the point that the idea of a permanent state is not even controversial anymore.
Unless it's someone like you who still thinks it's a "conspiracy theory" because for some reason you don't like to deal with the implications
Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
This was the goal going all the way back to the Maidan coup back in 2014
Of course after Ukraine they will want to bring Belarus into NATO as well to compete the encirclement of Russia.
I suppose you will be supporting that as well….
More Russian conspiracy theories.
More like a rational extrapolation by looking at past actions.
Are you willing to go on record as claiming DC will never do that?
Imagine that, countries that have lived through Russian aggression want to join an alliance that protects them of said aggression.
You still seem to be under the impression that the communist Soviet Union and the modern Russian state are the same entity.
Uh huh. As they launch the largest aggressive land grab since WWII.
You don't even read much about the rest of world do you?
Tibet is 3 times larger than Ukraine and was completely absorbed by China AFTER World War II
[The Chinese government demanded that representatives of Tibet arrive in Beijing by September 16, 1950, but Tibetan officials ignored the demand. PRC government troops entered the Tibetan on October 7, 1950, and Chinese troops captured the town of Qamdo (Chamdo) on October 19, 1950.]
*yawn*
*European
.
Gotcha
Well at least you admit you were wrong.
When will you be advocating a proxy war, paid for by American taxpayers, to liberate Tibet from Chinese aggression?
Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
This was the goal going all the way back to the Maidan coup back in 2014
Of course after Ukraine they will want to bring Belarus into NATO as well to compete the encirclement of Russia.
I suppose you will be supporting that as well….
More Russian conspiracy theories.
More like a rational extrapolation by looking at past actions.
Are you willing to go on record as claiming DC will never do that?
Imagine that, countries that have lived through Russian aggression want to join an alliance that protects them of said aggression.
You still seem to be under the impression that the communist Soviet Union and the modern Russian state are the same entity.
Uh huh. As they launch the largest aggressive land grab since WWII.
You don't even read much about the rest of world do you?
Tibet is 3 times larger than Ukraine and was completely absorbed by China AFTER World War II
[The Chinese government demanded that representatives of Tibet arrive in Beijing by September 16, 1950, but Tibetan officials ignored the demand. PRC government troops entered the Tibetan on October 7, 1950, and Chinese troops captured the town of Qamdo (Chamdo) on October 19, 1950.]
*yawn*
*European
.
Gotcha
Well at least you admit you were wrong.
When will you be advocating a proxy war, paid for by American taxpayers, to liberate Tibet from Chinese aggression?
"BUH WHADDABOUT?!?!?!?" Like I said, you continue to boost some quite a bit disinformation.
Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
This was the goal going all the way back to the Maidan coup back in 2014
Of course after Ukraine they will want to bring Belarus into NATO as well to compete the encirclement of Russia.
I suppose you will be supporting that as well….
More Russian conspiracy theories.
More like a rational extrapolation by looking at past actions.
Are you willing to go on record as claiming DC will never do that?
Imagine that, countries that have lived through Russian aggression want to join an alliance that protects them of said aggression.
You still seem to be under the impression that the communist Soviet Union and the modern Russian state are the same entity.
Uh huh. As they launch the largest aggressive land grab since WWII.
You don't even read much about the rest of world do you?
Tibet is 3 times larger than Ukraine and was completely absorbed by China AFTER World War II
[The Chinese government demanded that representatives of Tibet arrive in Beijing by September 16, 1950, but Tibetan officials ignored the demand. PRC government troops entered the Tibetan on October 7, 1950, and Chinese troops captured the town of Qamdo (Chamdo) on October 19, 1950.]
*yawn*
*European
.
Gotcha
Well at least you admit you were wrong.
When will you be advocating a proxy war, paid for by American taxpayers, to liberate Tibet from Chinese aggression?
"BUH WHADDABOUT?!?!?!?" Like I said, you continue to boost some quite a bit disinformation.
It's just a simple question.
Why does the Ukraine situation send you into hysteria but you don't care about the aggression against Tibet?
Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:Bear8084 said:Redbrickbear said:J.R. said:that is the right thing to do!Doc Holliday said:Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO. Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States. If you want World War 3, vote Biden in November. pic.twitter.com/kv0fyv5zdf
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 4, 2024
This was the goal going all the way back to the Maidan coup back in 2014
Of course after Ukraine they will want to bring Belarus into NATO as well to compete the encirclement of Russia.
I suppose you will be supporting that as well….
More Russian conspiracy theories.
More like a rational extrapolation by looking at past actions.
Are you willing to go on record as claiming DC will never do that?
Imagine that, countries that have lived through Russian aggression want to join an alliance that protects them of said aggression.
You still seem to be under the impression that the communist Soviet Union and the modern Russian state are the same entity.
Uh huh. As they launch the largest aggressive land grab since WWII.
You don't even read much about the rest of world do you?
Tibet is 3 times larger than Ukraine and was completely absorbed by China AFTER World War II
[The Chinese government demanded that representatives of Tibet arrive in Beijing by September 16, 1950, but Tibetan officials ignored the demand. PRC government troops entered the Tibetan on October 7, 1950, and Chinese troops captured the town of Qamdo (Chamdo) on October 19, 1950.]
*yawn*
*European
.
Gotcha
Well at least you admit you were wrong.
When will you be advocating a proxy war, paid for by American taxpayers, to liberate Tibet from Chinese aggression?
"BUH WHADDABOUT?!?!?!?" Like I said, you continue to boost some quite a bit disinformation.
It's just a simple question.
Why does the Ukraine situation send you into hysteria but you don't care about the aggression against Tibet?
No hysterics. Maybe you can scan over some non-pro RU Tweets and find out why since you are quite ignorant about it.