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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

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At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

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your "America is for white people" bull**** is disgusting. You are an awful human being.

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American today might be a multi-cultural/multi-racial State

But lets not rewrite history and pretend it always was so....or that it was what the Founding Fathers wanted.



[The Naturalization Act of 1790 was the first major piece of immigration legislation in the United States and established the country's first rules for citizenship:

• Requirements
  To become a citizen, applicants had to be "free white persons" who had lived in the United States for at least two years and their state of residence for one year. They also had to demonstrate good moral character and swear allegiance to the Constitution.]

Heck its not even what Lincoln's Republican party wanted before mid-point in the Civil War


"The whole nation is interested that the best use shall be made of these territories. We want them for the homes of free white people. This they cannot be, to any considerable extent, if slavery, and the African, shall be planted within them."~Abraham Lincoln, "Speech at Peoria,"

"We...are the white man's party...We are for free white men, & for making white labor respectable & honorable, which it can never be when negro labor is brought into competition with it."
-Lyman Trumbull (Republican-IL, 13th Amendment Author), 8/7/1858

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cool. And they also wrote this document knowing full well that it would lead to the breaking down of the Nat Act, and the abolishment of slavery...

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Dude....come on


What a very Liberal and modernist reading of History

The Southern Political class/Southern States would not have even signed on to a national Union that they though would lead to the end of African slavery

The Northern States were not even interested in extending citizenship to Indians at the time...they would not get citizenship until the 20 century. And until mid point in the civil war they main aim was the expulsion of african slaves back to Africa

[Native Americans, also referred to as "Indians," officially became citizens of the United States on June 2, 1924 when the Indian Citizenship Act, also known as the Snyder Act, was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Calvin Coolidge]

Stop trying to retcon history and make it more palpable to your modern progressive social views on race.

I would love to see you time travel back in time and tell the founding fathers that the Declaration of Independence meant they had signed on to infinity immigration from the Muslim World, Africa, or Asia and the equality of all races and peoples

That alone would be high comedy.....I mean only comedic if they did not shoot you dead lol

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There is nothing modern/progressive about my views on race.

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

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At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

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It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

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Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

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What part of 1991 do y'all not understand.

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What part of oriented don't you understand

In 1991 the people of Ukraine voted to become an independent State....they DID NOT vote on who they were going to align with

If you had told the russian speaking population that they were voting to be cut off from Russian forever (culturally, economically, etc) they probably would have never voted for it. Or voted more likely for their own East bank Ukrainian State separate from West Bank Ukraine.

trey3216 said:

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trey3216 said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

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At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

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your "America is for white people" bull**** is disgusting. You are an awful human being.

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American today might be a multi-cultural/multi-racial State

But lets not rewrite history and pretend it always was so....or that it was what the Founding Fathers wanted.



[The Naturalization Act of 1790 was the first major piece of immigration legislation in the United States and established the country's first rules for citizenship:

• Requirements
  To become a citizen, applicants had to be "free white persons" who had lived in the United States for at least two years and their state of residence for one year. They also had to demonstrate good moral character and swear allegiance to the Constitution.]

Heck its not even what Lincoln's Republican party wanted before mid-point in the Civil War


"The whole nation is interested that the best use shall be made of these territories. We want them for the homes of free white people. This they cannot be, to any considerable extent, if slavery, and the African, shall be planted within them."~Abraham Lincoln, "Speech at Peoria,"

"We...are the white man's party...We are for free white men, & for making white labor respectable & honorable, which it can never be when negro labor is brought into competition with it."
-Lyman Trumbull (Republican-IL, 13th Amendment Author), 8/7/1858

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cool. And they also wrote this document knowing full well that it would lead to the breaking down of the Nat Act, and the abolishment of slavery...

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Dude....come on


What a very Liberal and modernist reading of History

The Southern Political class/Southern States would not have even signed on to a national Union that they though would lead to the end of African slavery

The Northern States were not even interested in extending citizenship to Indians at the time...they would not get citizenship until the 20 century. And until mid point in the civil war they main aim was the expulsion of african slaves back to Africa

[Native Americans, also referred to as "Indians," officially became citizens of the United States on June 2, 1924 when the Indian Citizenship Act, also known as the Snyder Act, was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Calvin Coolidge]

Stop trying to retcon history and make it more palpable to your modern progressive social views on race.

I would love to see you time travel back in time and tell the founding fathers that the Declaration of Independence meant they had signed on to infinity immigration from the Muslim World, Africa, or Asia and the equality of all races and peoples

That alone would be high comedy.....I mean only comedic if they did not shoot you dead lol

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There is nothing modern/progressive about my views on race.

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Yes Trey... they are

They are well outside the norm for the Founding Fathers and even most Americans into the 1800s and the post Civil War era.

"I am not prepared to pass a sweeping act of naturalization by which all the Indian savages, wild or tame, belonging to a tribal relation, are to become my fellow-citizens and go to the polls & vote with me."
-Sen. Howard (Radical Republican-MI, supporting the 14th amendment)

"I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality." -Abraham Lincoln

"I have no purpose or desire to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races."-Abraham Lincoln

"We are uncompromisingly opposed to all schemes the tendency of which is calculated to overrun the state of Indiana with a worthless & degraded negro population"
-IN General Assembly

[Michigan belonged to the 10th legion of Republicanism. In 1860, 1864, and 1869, she gave that party unshaken majorities, ranging from nineteen thousand to thirty-eight thousand. The negro men in that State over 21 years of age amounted to less than 1% of the White voters, and it was hoped that the State could be carried for negro suffrage, not- withstanding that it had before been rejected it. Accordingly, the question was submitted to the people of that State on April 6th 1868. It was made the party issue, the Republicans, in their State platform, declaring for it, the Democrats being against it. It was defeated at the polls by nearly 39,000 majority."]

[In almost every Northern State blacks were denied equal political rights, including the right to vote, the right to attend public schools, and the right to equal treatment under the law. In Oregon, Black people were forbidden to settle, marry, or even sign contracts. Article 13 of Indiana's 1851 Constitution banned Black people from settling in the state at all or attending the public schools. Anyone who helped Black people settle in the state or employed Black settlers could be fined. Illinois also banned blacks from settling there. Laws banning the marriage of white and black people were passed in the free states of the former Northwest Territory, including Indiana, Illinois, and Michigan, and Ohio]

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Few people understand what the war in Ukraine means for big business. It’s not just the weapons and reconstruction contracts. Ukraine’s vast agricultural lands—among the most fertile in the world—are up for grabs, and American companies like BlackRock are at front of the line. pic.twitter.com/bOa6swCXn4

— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) January 7, 2024

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Complete BS. Corporate America is losing due this war, and it's not even close. We're talking maybe 1 or 2 industries benefitting, and that's debatable based on longer term considerations.

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I guess then the question would be....do those 1 or 2 winning industries have more power in Congress and the permanent State than the rest of Corporate America?

After all....most Americans and most businesses are losing out on this stupid costly war

Yet the Uniparty keeps pushing it

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Even an easier answer. No, the defense industry (which again, is making only a fraction of what is being reported given so many weapons were already produced and many antiquated) has far less influence than green energy, O&G, automotive, construction, heavy construction equipment, tech, food and beverage, real estate, agriculture, transportation, retail, hospitality, chem, pharma, and all the other industries adversely affected by Russia's invasion.

Maybe they push it because they believe in the cause.

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Few people understand what the war in Ukraine means for big business. It’s not just the weapons and reconstruction contracts. Ukraine’s vast agricultural lands—among the most fertile in the world—are up for grabs, and American companies like BlackRock are at front of the line. pic.twitter.com/bOa6swCXn4

— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) January 7, 2024

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Complete BS. Corporate America is losing due this war, and it's not even close. We're talking maybe 1 or 2 industries benefitting, and that's debatable based on longer term considerations.

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I guess then the question would be....do those 1 or 2 winning industries have more power in Congress and the permanent State than the rest of Corporate America?

After all....most Americans and most businesses are losing out on this stupid costly war

Yet the Uniparty keeps pushing it

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Even an easier answer. No, the defense industry (which again, is making only a fraction of what is being reported given so many weapons were already produced and many antiquated) has far less influence than green energy, O&G, automotive, construction, heavy construction equipment, tech, food and beverage, real estate, agriculture, transportation, retail, hospitality, chem, pharma, and all the other industries adversely affected by Russia's invasion.

Maybe they push it because they believe in the cause.

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lol

So all the sudden DC and Corporate America have a moral heart?

Get back to us when you are sober….

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

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At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

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It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

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Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

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What part of 1991 do y'all not understand.

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What part of oriented don't you understand

In 1991 the people of Ukraine voted to become an independent State....they DID NOT vote on who they were going to align with

If you had told the russian speaking population that they were voting to be cut off from Russian forever (culturally, economically, etc) they probably would have never voted for it. Or voted more likely for their own East bank Ukrainian State separate from West Bank Ukraine.

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They've never been cut off from Russia in any way.

And, regardless, they had two decades to vote themselves out. There were small parties that supported that.

Instead, in virtually every election, Ukrainians from every Region voted for candidates who supported stronger ties with the free world.

I know this is terribly difficult to accept, but it is exceedingly rare for free people to choose Russia/Putin.

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Redbrickbear said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

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At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

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It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

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Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

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What part of 1991 do y'all not understand.

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What part of oriented don't you understand

In 1991 the people of Ukraine voted to become an independent State....they DID NOT vote on who they were going to align with

If you had told the russian speaking population that they were voting to be cut off from Russian forever (culturally, economically, etc) they probably would have never voted for it. Or voted more likely for their own East bank Ukrainian State separate from West Bank Ukraine.

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They've never been cut off from Russia in any way.

And, regardless, they had two decades to vote themselves out.

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Perhaps they were not interested because Ukraine was neutral and economically working with both West and East

With their party (the Party of Regions) being a major power player and often holding the Presidency

That is until a violent coup in 2014 overthrew the government (justified or not)

Let's not pretend the Eastern parts of Ukraine ever signed on to joining NATO and the EU and putting russia in the rear view window

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

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At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

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Well most of that time the Slavic people of Russia spent defending themselves from endless invasions and slave raids by Muslim raiders coming out of Central Asia and the Crimea.

You are right that such drek is probably less strange coming out of Russia than Ireland....but its still modern muti-cultural propaganda

Modern Russia is no defender of traditional values and Christian civilization....they are just not as far down the road as the Modern West.....but they are trending that way.

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I mean Ireland was probably the whitest country on Earth until they joined the EU.

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

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At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

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It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

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Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

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What part of 1991 do y'all not understand.

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What part of oriented don't you understand

In 1991 the people of Ukraine voted to become an independent State....they DID NOT vote on who they were going to align with

If you had told the russian speaking population that they were voting to be cut off from Russian forever (culturally, economically, etc) they probably would have never voted for it. Or voted more likely for their own East bank Ukrainian State separate from West Bank Ukraine.

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They've never been cut off from Russia in any way.

And, regardless, they had two decades to vote themselves out.

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Perhaps they were not interested because Ukraine was neutral and economically working with both West and East

With their party (the Party of Regions) being a major power player and often holding the Presidency

That is until a violent coup in 2014 overthrew the government (justified or not)

Let's not pretend the Eastern parts of Ukraine ever signed on to joining NATO and the EU and putting russia in the rear view window

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Straw man. How many Presidents ran on applying to NATO before Russia invaded in 2014?

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

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At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

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It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

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Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

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What part of 1991 do y'all not understand.

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What part of oriented don't you understand

In 1991 the people of Ukraine voted to become an independent State....they DID NOT vote on who they were going to align with

If you had told the russian speaking population that they were voting to be cut off from Russian forever (culturally, economically, etc) they probably would have never voted for it. Or voted more likely for their own East bank Ukrainian State separate from West Bank Ukraine.

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They've never been cut off from Russia in any way.

And, regardless, they had two decades to vote themselves out.

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Perhaps they were not interested because Ukraine was neutral and economically working with both West and East

With their party (the Party of Regions) being a major power player and often holding the Presidency

That is until a violent coup in 2014 overthrew the government (justified or not)

Let's not pretend the Eastern parts of Ukraine ever signed on to joining NATO and the EU and putting russia in the rear view window

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Straw man. How many Presidents ran on applying to NATO before Russia invaded in 2014?

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Yea its almost like they knew it was be electoral poison to try and sell that to the American people.

And that most foreign policy analysts were warning about any expansion of NATO past the Bug river during most of the 20th century....predicting it would be a disaster and lead to conflict with Moscow


"Bluntly state....expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-Cold War era. Such a decision may be expected to inflame the nationalistic, anti-Western and militaristic tendencies in Russian opinion; to have an adverse effect on the development of Russian democracy; to restore the atmosphere of the cold war to East-West relations, and to impel Russian foreign policy in directions decidedly not to our liking … "- Excerpt from George F. Kennan, "A Fateful Error," New York Times, 05 Feb 1997

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The fact that the Biden regime is trying to start WWIII right before Trump, who just won a historic landslide victory who ran on ending the Russia/Ukraine war, just shows how evil these POS treasonous traitors scumbags really are.

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) November 17, 2024

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Catturd misses on that one.

Biden and Trump met a couple of days ago. Do we think Ukraine was discussed? Did Trump comment on any of that about Ukraine? One could reasonably read between the lines that Trump wanted all the aid delivered so he would not have to spend his own political capital to get it done.....to give him time to work his own plan.

Trump is in a little bit of a bind here. He pandered to anti-war sentiment to get elected, knowing full well that abandoning Ukraine would be an unfathomably stupid thing to do. i don't blame him at all for the pander. Pandering is an essential part of politics and those who think they're too good to do it aren't worth the proverbial bucket of warm spit. But now he has to figure out a way to avoid doing what a really big and noisy chunk of his base wants him to do - cut & run from Ukraine. For sure he has a plan for how to walk the tightrope, and pushing all that aid into Ukraine before he takes over will give him some room to maneuver.

Keep your eye on the ball here:
Trump does not want Ukraine to become Afghanistan 2.0
Trump wants to win so much that America gets tired of winning.

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So Ukraine should use the long range missiles that would be launched from Ukraine and are targeted and controlled by NATO?

As far as I know, they did just that today and fired them at a military facility in the Bryansk border region.

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Ukraine shouldn't be allowed to attack military targets that used to target Ukrainian military and civilian targets??? Interesting angle....

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Good grief dude……exactly what do you think any US administration would do if Russia was openly supplying long range missiles to Mexican Drug cartels and they were actively using them to attack targets in various US cities and states ?

Just once at least attempt to provide an honest / specific answer and not just some generic Rambo bull*****

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it is a free sovereign nation aligned with the free world.

Russia invaded it, knowing Ukraine had the support of the free world and knowing we would supply weapons.

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1. It was not aligned to the West until a political coup in 2014 overthrew the old government.

Very strong evidence the CIA and State Department were involved in that coup.

2. Why would Moscow know that DC would spend billions to help Ukraine fight a proxy war?

Did Moscow send billions in weaponry to Iraq & Afghanistan after DC sent in troops in 2001 and 2003

Maybe they expected that DC would act like they did and largely stay out of it.

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All of Ukraine, including Crimea, voted for independence in 1991. Ukraine has been a free and sovereign nation since then. It has had all sorts of different alliances, but never once did any region vote to be taken over again by Russia. In fact, when given a clear choice at the federal and regional levels, Ukrainians chose the free world. Russia wouldn't accept that, so it invaded in 2014.

Putin had no interest in Iraq or Afghanistan. And he supplies weapons to many of our adversaries.

We and the Euros were clear about what we'd do if Putin invaded Ukraine. And we had been supplying Ukraine weapons forever.

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All of Ukraine voted for independence and neutrality in 1991. No region voted to rejoin Russia until after the neutral government of Ukraine was overthrown.

Yanukovych ran on what the vast majority of Ukrainians wanted -- a fair deal with the EU and a balanced relationship with the EU and Russia. He was never allowed to deliver on that.

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Russia never wanted neutrality in Ukraine, and was the first nefarious actor.

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I know that's an article of faith to you. The truth is that from 1991, to 2014, to the Minsk Agreements, to Istanbul and Istanbul Plus, neutrality has been Russia's constant demand and has remained so to this day.

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Few people understand what the war in Ukraine means for big business. It’s not just the weapons and reconstruction contracts. Ukraine’s vast agricultural lands—among the most fertile in the world—are up for grabs, and American companies like BlackRock are at front of the line. pic.twitter.com/bOa6swCXn4

— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) January 7, 2024

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Complete BS. Corporate America is losing due this war, and it's not even close. We're talking maybe 1 or 2 industries benefitting, and that's debatable based on longer term considerations.

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We're not benefiting because we're losing. That doesn't make our motives any less venal.

Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

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At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

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Modern Russia is no defender of traditional values and Christian civilization....they are just not as far down the road as the Modern West.....but they are trending that way.

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Actually they are trending the other way. Russian religious practice may look unimpressive by our standards, but it has grown dramatically since the end of the Cold War. They are still recovering from generations of enforced atheism.

trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

---

At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

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It is absolutely not an artificial fake country, and your "America is for white people" bull**** is disgusting. You are an awful human being. I can't imagine how disgusted you must be when you see your fat ass in the mirror and have to justify your use of oxygen by hating anyone that doesn't look like you. ****ing piece of *****

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Did I upset you?

I had to grow up with your odious brand of radical Millenial social justice where these despicable phrases like "white privilege" and "white fragility" were tossed around by "People of Color" and if any self-respecting white guy had a problem with it, creeps like you jumped in like the vultures you are to immediately label them a Nazi, Klansman, race killer, etc. and would experience gleeful schadenfreude as people were bullied into accepting self-hatred.

I am proud to say i have fought against punks like you and your anti-whiteism every step of the way.

I am proud of my heritage and history and I do not celebrate diversity. I respect myself.

And if you learned anything from Trump's election, it should be that most blacks, hispanics, and asians respect whites who will fight for their own self interests. No one respects sniveling, insipid, quizlings who beg for acceptance and forgiveness all the time and lower their head at the first sign of confrontation.

You are like a chihuahua Trey ... you bark and bark about Russia bad, Putin evil, but you've had two years to do something about about it and all you've done is barked on the internet.

sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

---

At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

---

It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

---

Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

---

What part of 1991 do y'all not understand. Overwhelming majorities supported breaking away from Russia. Even Crimea - which most of y'all basically deem "Russia" - was over 50%.

And since then, not one measly area ever voted to leave Ukraine before Russia invaded.

Putin (and some of you) may not like it, but Ukraine has always been a sovereign nation.

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And they would be sovereign today had they kept their agreement to remain neutral.

Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Few people understand what the war in Ukraine means for big business. It’s not just the weapons and reconstruction contracts. Ukraine’s vast agricultural lands—among the most fertile in the world—are up for grabs, and American companies like BlackRock are at front of the line. pic.twitter.com/bOa6swCXn4

— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) January 7, 2024

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Complete BS. Corporate America is losing due this war, and it's not even close. We're talking maybe 1 or 2 industries benefitting, and that's debatable based on longer term considerations.

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I guess then the question would be....do those 1 or 2 winning industries have more power in Congress and the permanent State than the rest of Corporate America?

After all....most Americans and most businesses are losing out on this stupid costly war

Yet the Uniparty keeps pushing it

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Even an easier answer. No, the defense industry (which again, is making only a fraction of what is being reported given so many weapons were already produced and many antiquated) has far less influence than green energy, O&G, automotive, construction, heavy construction equipment, tech, food and beverage, real estate, agriculture, transportation, retail, hospitality, chem, pharma, and all the other industries adversely affected by Russia's invasion.

Maybe they push it because they believe in the cause.

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lol

So all the sudden DC and Corporate America have a moral heart?

Get back to us when you are sober….

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It might be moral, it might be to counter one of our two greatest geopolitical foes, it might be to support our Euro allies, it might be some combination. And we have a long history of supporting freedom fighters and opposing tyrants.

It's certainly a far better explanation than we're doing because of defense industry lobbying even though virtually every other industry is adversely affected.

Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

---

At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

---

It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

---

Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

---

What part of 1991 do y'all not understand. Overwhelming majorities supported breaking away from Russia. Even Crimea - which most of y'all basically deem "Russia" - was over 50%.

And since then, not one measly area ever voted to leave Ukraine before Russia invaded.

Putin (and some of you) may not like it, but Ukraine has always been a sovereign nation.

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And they would be sovereign today had they kept their agreement to remain neutral.

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Really, how were they not neutral in 2014?

sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

---

She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

---

At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

---

It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

---

Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

---

What part of 1991 do y'all not understand. Overwhelming majorities supported breaking away from Russia. Even Crimea - which most of y'all basically deem "Russia" - was over 50%.

And since then, not one measly area ever voted to leave Ukraine before Russia invaded.

Putin (and some of you) may not like it, but Ukraine has always been a sovereign nation.

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Show me "Ukraine" on any map prior to 1991?

The "country" was created by the communists and is still being propped up by the globalists/neo-communists.

sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

---

She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

---

At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

---

It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

---

Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

---

What part of 1991 do y'all not understand. Overwhelming majorities supported breaking away from Russia. Even Crimea - which most of y'all basically deem "Russia" - was over 50%.

And since then, not one measly area ever voted to leave Ukraine before Russia invaded.

Putin (and some of you) may not like it, but Ukraine has always been a sovereign nation.

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And they would be sovereign today had they kept their agreement to remain neutral.

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Really, how were they not neutral in 2014?

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They were in a state of civil war in 2014. By 2022 they were a de facto US "ally" (although "pawn" might be a better description).

Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

---

At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

---

It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

---

Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

---

What part of 1991 do y'all not understand. Overwhelming majorities supported breaking away from Russia. Even Crimea - which most of y'all basically deem "Russia" - was over 50%.

And since then, not one measly area ever voted to leave Ukraine before Russia invaded.

Putin (and some of you) may not like it, but Ukraine has always been a sovereign nation.

---

And they would be sovereign today had they kept their agreement to remain neutral.

---

Really, how were they not neutral in 2014?

---

They were in a state of civil war in 2014. By 2022 they were a de facto US "ally" (although "pawn" might be a better description).

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Probably a good idea to join forces with someone when your neighbor invades and kills your people.

Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

---

She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

---

At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

---

It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

---

Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

---

What part of 1991 do y'all not understand. Overwhelming majorities supported breaking away from Russia. Even Crimea - which most of y'all basically deem "Russia" - was over 50%.

And since then, not one measly area ever voted to leave Ukraine before Russia invaded.

Putin (and some of you) may not like it, but Ukraine has always been a sovereign nation.

---

And they would be sovereign today had they kept their agreement to remain neutral.

---

Really, how were they not neutral in 2014?

---

They were in a state of civil war in 2014. By 2022 they were a de facto US "ally" (although "pawn" might be a better description).

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LOL!

sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Few people understand what the war in Ukraine means for big business. It’s not just the weapons and reconstruction contracts. Ukraine’s vast agricultural lands—among the most fertile in the world—are up for grabs, and American companies like BlackRock are at front of the line. pic.twitter.com/bOa6swCXn4

— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) January 7, 2024

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Complete BS. Corporate America is losing due this war, and it's not even close. We're talking maybe 1 or 2 industries benefitting, and that's debatable based on longer term considerations.

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I guess then the question would be....do those 1 or 2 winning industries have more power in Congress and the permanent State than the rest of Corporate America?

After all....most Americans and most businesses are losing out on this stupid costly war

Yet the Uniparty keeps pushing it

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Even an easier answer. No, the defense industry (which again, is making only a fraction of what is being reported given so many weapons were already produced and many antiquated) has far less influence than green energy, O&G, automotive, construction, heavy construction equipment, tech, food and beverage, real estate, agriculture, transportation, retail, hospitality, chem, pharma, and all the other industries adversely affected by Russia's invasion.

Maybe they push it because they believe in the cause.

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lol

So all the sudden DC and Corporate America have a moral heart?

Get back to us when you are sober….

---

It might be moral, it might be to counter one of our two greatest geopolitical foes, it might be to support our Euro allies, it might be some combination. And we have a long history of supporting freedom fighters and opposing tyrants.

It's certainly a far better explanation than we're doing because of defense industry lobbying even though virtually every other industry is adversely affected.

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It might be moral and right for the DC scumbags to take care of Americans at home and secure our borders rather than piss around and enrich themselves on proxy wars.

And modern American history has been defined by supporting Zionist interests and opposing their adversaries even when it served no benefit to the American people.

The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

---

At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

---

It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

---

Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

---

What part of 1991 do y'all not understand. Overwhelming majorities supported breaking away from Russia. Even Crimea - which most of y'all basically deem "Russia" - was over 50%.

And since then, not one measly area ever voted to leave Ukraine before Russia invaded.

Putin (and some of you) may not like it, but Ukraine has always been a sovereign nation.

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Show me "Ukraine" on any map prior to 1991?

The "country" was created by the communists and is still being propped up by the globalists/neo-communists.

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Didn't say they were sovereign before 1991. But, yes, sovereign since its creation.

It wasn't created. Its people voted to become a free sovereign nation.

And they immediately moved away from communism into a market economy.

Other than that, great points . . . .

sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

---

She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

---

At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

---

It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

---

Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

---

What part of 1991 do y'all not understand. Overwhelming majorities supported breaking away from Russia. Even Crimea - which most of y'all basically deem "Russia" - was over 50%.

And since then, not one measly area ever voted to leave Ukraine before Russia invaded.

Putin (and some of you) may not like it, but Ukraine has always been a sovereign nation.

---

And they would be sovereign today had they kept their agreement to remain neutral.

---

Really, how were they not neutral in 2014?

---

They were in a state of civil war in 2014. By 2022 they were a de facto US "ally" (although "pawn" might be a better description).

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Probably a good idea to join forces with someone when your neighbor invades and kills your people.

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You didnt seem to have a problem with Americans killing your people in Serbia.

The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

---

At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

---

It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

---

Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

---

What part of 1991 do y'all not understand. Overwhelming majorities supported breaking away from Russia. Even Crimea - which most of y'all basically deem "Russia" - was over 50%.

And since then, not one measly area ever voted to leave Ukraine before Russia invaded.

Putin (and some of you) may not like it, but Ukraine has always been a sovereign nation.

---

And they would be sovereign today had they kept their agreement to remain neutral.

---

Really, how were they not neutral in 2014?

---

They were in a state of civil war in 2014. By 2022 they were a de facto US "ally" (although "pawn" might be a better description).

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Probably a good idea to join forces with someone when your neighbor invades and kills your people.

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You didnt seem to have a problem with Americans killing your people in Serbia.

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I did have a problem with it. But some of my fellow Serbs all but invited it through their atrocities.

sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

---

At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

---

It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

---

Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

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What part of 1991 do y'all not understand. Overwhelming majorities supported breaking away from Russia. Even Crimea - which most of y'all basically deem "Russia" - was over 50%.

And since then, not one measly area ever voted to leave Ukraine before Russia invaded.

Putin (and some of you) may not like it, but Ukraine has always been a sovereign nation.

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And they would be sovereign today had they kept their agreement to remain neutral.

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Really, how were they not neutral in 2014?

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They were in a state of civil war in 2014. By 2022 they were a de facto US "ally" (although "pawn" might be a better description).

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Probably a good idea to join forces with someone when your neighbor invades and kills your people.

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Or so they thought. Now they're learning otherwise. They're one of many peoples who have bought into the "freedom vs. tyranny" narrative and suffered the consequences. Israel is another one.

Who invaded whom in 2014 depends on which point of view you take. I would argue it was Ukraine and not Russia that invaded the Donbas. The people of the Donbas would agree, for what little that's worth to Americans. But it doesn't really matter in terms of your larger question. Ukraine's status was uncertain at the time. Its neutrality or allegiance was one of the things that would be decided by the civil war.

The West knew better than to officially invite Ukraine into NATO and then start building up its army. We did things the other way around, hoping that by the time Russia reacted it would be too late. That was where things stood when Russia finally invaded in 2022.

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trey3216 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

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At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

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It is absolutely not an artificial fake country, and your "America is for white people" bull**** is disgusting. You are an awful human being. I can't imagine how disgusted you must be when you see your fat ass in the mirror and have to justify your use of oxygen by hating anyone that doesn't look like you. ****ing piece of *****

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Did I upset you?

I had to grow up with your odious brand of radical Millenial social justice where these despicable phrases like "white privilege" and "white fragility" were tossed around by "People of Color" and if any self-respecting white guy had a problem with it, creeps like you jumped in like the vultures you are to immediately label them a Nazi, Klansman, race killer, etc. and would experience gleeful schadenfreude as people were bullied into accepting self-hatred.

I am proud to say i have fought against punks like you and your anti-whiteism every step of the way.

I am proud of my heritage and history and I do not celebrate diversity. I respect myself.

And if you learned anything from Trump's election, it should be that most blacks, hispanics, and asians respect whites who will fight for their own self interests. No one respects sniveling, insipid, quizlings who beg for acceptance and forgiveness all the time and lower their head at the first sign of confrontation.

You are like a chihuahua Trey ... you bark and bark about Russia bad, Putin evil, but you've had two years to do something about about it and all you've done is barked on the internet.

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Lol. You literally don't know a damn thing about me.

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Sam Lowry said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

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At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

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It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

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Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

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What part of 1991 do y'all not understand. Overwhelming majorities supported breaking away from Russia. Even Crimea - which most of y'all basically deem "Russia" - was over 50%.

And since then, not one measly area ever voted to leave Ukraine before Russia invaded.

Putin (and some of you) may not like it, but Ukraine has always been a sovereign nation.

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And they would be sovereign today had they kept their agreement to remain neutral.

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Really, how were they not neutral in 2014?

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They were in a state of civil war in 2014. By 2022 they were a de facto US "ally" (although "pawn" might be a better description).

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Probably a good idea to join forces with someone when your neighbor invades and kills your people.

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100% correct. But reality doesn't mean much to the vatniks.

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trey3216 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

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At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

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your "America is for white people" bull**** is disgusting. You are an awful human being.

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American today might be a multi-cultural/multi-racial State

But lets not rewrite history and pretend it always was so....or that it was what the Founding Fathers wanted.



[The Naturalization Act of 1790 was the first major piece of immigration legislation in the United States and established the country's first rules for citizenship:

• Requirements
  To become a citizen, applicants had to be "free white persons" who had lived in the United States for at least two years and their state of residence for one year. They also had to demonstrate good moral character and swear allegiance to the Constitution.]

Heck its not even what Lincoln's Republican party wanted before mid-point in the Civil War


"The whole nation is interested that the best use shall be made of these territories. We want them for the homes of free white people. This they cannot be, to any considerable extent, if slavery, and the African, shall be planted within them."~Abraham Lincoln, "Speech at Peoria,"

"We...are the white man's party...We are for free white men, & for making white labor respectable & honorable, which it can never be when negro labor is brought into competition with it."
-Lyman Trumbull (Republican-IL, 13th Amendment Author), 8/7/1858

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cool. And they also wrote this document knowing full well that it would lead to the breaking down of the Nat Act, and the abolishment of slavery...

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Dude....come on


What a very Liberal and modernist reading of History

The Southern Political class/Southern States would not have even signed on to a national Union that they though would lead to the end of African slavery

The Northern States were not even interested in extending citizenship to Indians at the time...they would not get citizenship until the 20 century. And until mid point in the civil war they main aim was the expulsion of african slaves back to Africa

[Native Americans, also referred to as "Indians," officially became citizens of the United States on June 2, 1924 when the Indian Citizenship Act, also known as the Snyder Act, was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Calvin Coolidge]

Stop trying to retcon history and make it more palpable to your modern progressive social views on race.

I would love to see you time travel back in time and tell the founding fathers that the Declaration of Independence meant they had signed on to infinity immigration from the Muslim World, Africa, or Asia and the equality of all races and peoples

That alone would be high comedy.....I mean only comedic if they did not shoot you dead lol

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There is nothing modern/progressive about my views on race.

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Yes Trey... they are

They are well outside the norm for the Founding Fathers and even most Americans into the 1800s and the post Civil War era.

"I am not prepared to pass a sweeping act of naturalization by which all the Indian savages, wild or tame, belonging to a tribal relation, are to become my fellow-citizens and go to the polls & vote with me."
-Sen. Howard (Radical Republican-MI, supporting the 14th amendment)

"I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality." -Abraham Lincoln

"I have no purpose or desire to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races."-Abraham Lincoln

"We are uncompromisingly opposed to all schemes the tendency of which is calculated to overrun the state of Indiana with a worthless & degraded negro population"
-IN General Assembly

[Michigan belonged to the 10th legion of Republicanism. In 1860, 1864, and 1869, she gave that party unshaken majorities, ranging from nineteen thousand to thirty-eight thousand. The negro men in that State over 21 years of age amounted to less than 1% of the White voters, and it was hoped that the State could be carried for negro suffrage, not- withstanding that it had before been rejected it. Accordingly, the question was submitted to the people of that State on April 6th 1868. It was made the party issue, the Republicans, in their State platform, declaring for it, the Democrats being against it. It was defeated at the polls by nearly 39,000 majority."]

[In almost every Northern State blacks were denied equal political rights, including the right to vote, the right to attend public schools, and the right to equal treatment under the law. In Oregon, Black people were forbidden to settle, marry, or even sign contracts. Article 13 of Indiana's 1851 Constitution banned Black people from settling in the state at all or attending the public schools. Anyone who helped Black people settle in the state or employed Black settlers could be fined. Illinois also banned blacks from settling there. Laws banning the marriage of white and black people were passed in the free states of the former Northwest Territory, including Indiana, Illinois, and Michigan, and Ohio]

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Excellent information.

Thank you.

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

---

At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

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It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

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Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

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What part of 1991 do y'all not understand. Overwhelming majorities supported breaking away from Russia. Even Crimea - which most of y'all basically deem "Russia" - was over 50%.

And since then, not one measly area ever voted to leave Ukraine before Russia invaded.

Putin (and some of you) may not like it, but Ukraine has always been a sovereign nation.

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And they would be sovereign today had they kept their agreement to remain neutral.

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Really, how were they not neutral in 2014?

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They were in a state of civil war in 2014. By 2022 they were a de facto US "ally" (although "pawn" might be a better description).

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Probably a good idea to join forces with someone when your neighbor invades and kills your people.

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Or so they thought. Now they're learning otherwise. They're one of many peoples who have bought into the "freedom vs. tyranny" narrative and suffered the consequences. Israel is another one.

Who invaded whom in 2014 depends on which point of view you take. I would argue it was Ukraine and not Russia that invaded the Donbas. The people of the Donbas would agree, for what little that's worth to Americans. But it doesn't really matter in terms of your larger question. Ukraine's status was uncertain at the time. Its neutrality or allegiance was one of the things that would be decided by the civil war.

The West knew better than to officially invite Ukraine into NATO and then start building up its army. We did things the other way around, hoping that by the time Russia reacted it would be too late. That was where things stood when Russia finally invaded in 2022.

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Russia invaded, period. Russia was always going to invade. Russia was always going to try to take over Ukraine. Russia has never, in its heart of hearts, recognize Ukraine as a sovereign.

Ukraine and the West were naive to lose sight of that. Ukraine gave up its nukes. The West left Ukraine on its own, sending only token support until it was far too late.

It was all right there, in Putin's and his cronies' speeches and writings. It's still there today because they just can't hide it. I mean, of all things, idiot Putin led his Tucker interview with that silly history lesson. He actually thought he could convince the world Ukraine wasn't a real country or real people. Were it not so dire, that would have been one of more comedic moments in geopolitical history.

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

---

At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

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It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

---

Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

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What part of 1991 do y'all not understand. Overwhelming majorities supported breaking away from Russia. Even Crimea - which most of y'all basically deem "Russia" - was over 50%.

And since then, not one measly area ever voted to leave Ukraine before Russia invaded.

Putin (and some of you) may not like it, but Ukraine has always been a sovereign nation.

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And they would be sovereign today had they kept their agreement to remain neutral.

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Really, how were they not neutral in 2014?

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They were in a state of civil war in 2014. By 2022 they were a de facto US "ally" (although "pawn" might be a better description).

---

Probably a good idea to join forces with someone when your neighbor invades and kills your people.

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Or so they thought. Now they're learning otherwise. They're one of many peoples who have bought into the "freedom vs. tyranny" narrative and suffered the consequences. Israel is another one.

Who invaded whom in 2014 depends on which point of view you take. I would argue it was Ukraine and not Russia that invaded the Donbas. The people of the Donbas would agree, for what little that's worth to Americans. But it doesn't really matter in terms of your larger question. Ukraine's status was uncertain at the time. Its neutrality or allegiance was one of the things that would be decided by the civil war.

The West knew better than to officially invite Ukraine into NATO and then start building up its army. We did things the other way around, hoping that by the time Russia reacted it would be too late. That was where things stood when Russia finally invaded in 2022.

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Russia invaded, period. Russia was always going to invade.

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Not before 2014 and Maidan revolution they were not

Why would they have...Ukraine under the Party of Regions was friendly with Russia.

Kyiv in fact had just turned away from a EU ascension deal and agreed to a deeper economic partnership with Moscow "Yanukovych reached agreement with Russia's Vladimir Putin, for loans, lower gas prices and joint economic projects"

And just a few years earlier Kyiv had agreed to extend the Russian lease on the Black Sea naval base in Crimea out until 2042

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharkiv_Pact#:~:text=The%20Agreement%20between%20Ukraine%20and,Crimea%20was%20extended%20beyond%202017

Crazy how a street coup (celebrated in DC) just so happened to break out right after two deals were inked by Kyiv that brought them close to Moscow.....just a coincidence I guess

sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

---

At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

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It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

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Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

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What part of 1991 do y'all not understand. Overwhelming majorities supported breaking away from Russia. Even Crimea - which most of y'all basically deem "Russia" - was over 50%.

And since then, not one measly area ever voted to leave Ukraine before Russia invaded.

Putin (and some of you) may not like it, but Ukraine has always been a sovereign nation.

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Show me "Ukraine" on any map prior to 1991?

The "country" was created by the communists and is still being propped up by the globalists/neo-communists.

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Didn't say they were sovereign before 1991. But, yes, sovereign since its creation.

It wasn't created. Its people voted to become a free sovereign nation.

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What do you think DC would do if Texas voted to become a free sovereign nation? A position it once held

You think they would allow it?

(I think we all know the answer to that)

In the case of Ukraine...well Russia did agree to let them become an independent country....they just demanded they be aligned with them.

That is at least more generous that DC would be with Texas

Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Ireland is a deeply sick country.

Kids are being taught to see themselves as less than foreigners and to feel a sense of shame just for existing.

This is not how a healthy society operates. pic.twitter.com/CyZpOYdkvE

— MichaeloKeeffe (@Mick_O_Keeffe) November 21, 2024

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She is an African speaking the English language, wearing Western clothing, and living in Ireland

It's her who is engaging in cultural appropriation

PS

Russia does similar (if not quite as lame) multicultural/ multiracial propaganda

---

At least with the Russian video all those groups have long historic, ancestral ties to Russia.

Although the Slavs are the majority and rule Russia, its never been a homogenous country.

Most European countries... but most especially Ireland, were nearly completely homogenous until this post-WW2 period but obviously over the last 20 years it has accelerated into insanity.

Which brings us back to what started all this in the first place, Ukraine is an artificial, fake country created by the communist methuselah Vladimir Lenin.

These lands are historically Polish and Russian.

---

It is absolutely not an artificial fake country,

---

Its always been a split country at the least

Parts of it obviously want to be aligned with the West and away from Moscow

And parts obviously want to be aligned with Moscow

The West vs East dynamic was the major fault line of their domestic politics for the entire 30 year history of independent Ukraine.

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What part of 1991 do y'all not understand. Overwhelming majorities supported breaking away from Russia. Even Crimea - which most of y'all basically deem "Russia" - was over 50%.

And since then, not one measly area ever voted to leave Ukraine before Russia invaded.

Putin (and some of you) may not like it, but Ukraine has always been a sovereign nation.

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And they would be sovereign today had they kept their agreement to remain neutral.

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Really, how were they not neutral in 2014?

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They were in a state of civil war in 2014. By 2022 they were a de facto US "ally" (although "pawn" might be a better description).

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Probably a good idea to join forces with someone when your neighbor invades and kills your people.

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Or so they thought. Now they're learning otherwise. They're one of many peoples who have bought into the "freedom vs. tyranny" narrative and suffered the consequences. Israel is another one.

Who invaded whom in 2014 depends on which point of view you take. I would argue it was Ukraine and not Russia that invaded the Donbas. The people of the Donbas would agree, for what little that's worth to Americans. But it doesn't really matter in terms of your larger question. Ukraine's status was uncertain at the time. Its neutrality or allegiance was one of the things that would be decided by the civil war.

The West knew better than to officially invite Ukraine into NATO and then start building up its army. We did things the other way around, hoping that by the time Russia reacted it would be too late. That was where things stood when Russia finally invaded in 2022.

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Russia invaded, period. Russia was always going to invade.

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Not before 2014 and Maidan revolution they were not

Why would they have...Ukraine under the Party of Regions was friendly with Russia.

Kyiv in fact had just turned away from a EU ascension deal and agreed to a deeper economic partnership with Moscow "Yanukovych reached agreement with Russia's Vladimir Putin, for loans, lower gas prices and joint economic projects"

And just a few years earlier Kyiv had agreed to extend the Russian lease on the Black Sea naval base in Crimea out until 2042

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharkiv_Pact#:~:text=The%20Agreement%20between%20Ukraine%20and,Crimea%20was%20extended%20beyond%202017

Crazy how a street coup (celebrated in DC) just so happened to break out right after two deals were inked by Kyiv that brought them close to Moscow.....just a coincidence I guess

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Again, take your anti-American blinders off and explain how we (or anyone else) knew Yanukovych was going to suddenly change his mind, spurn the EU, and climb in bed with Putin.