The Christian population in Syria has already mostly abandoned the country since 2011.Realitybites said:whiterock said:
Winners: everybody.
Losers: the Christian men in Syria who McCain's terrorist buddies will murder, the women they will rape, and the children they will kill or enslave just as ISIS did. Everyone sane who doesn't equate what is good for the CIA/deep state as being good for America.
They just successfully destabilized Syria, and the end result is not going to be any better than Libya, Iraq, or the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power in Egypt. A very sad Christmas is coming for everyone in that country who wasn't a fan of the 9-11 attacks (Wahabbi Sunnis, who are now free to cut throats to their hearts content).
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You are incorrect. 3% of the population is still Christian. Down from 10%, but maybe you are more comfortable with the genocide of 300,000 followers of Christ than I am.
Thank you for pointing out exactly what I said. From 2 million to 300,000 means most of the population has already departed. I'd engage in a dialogue around the fate of Syriac Christians, but something feels very disingenuous about your concern.Realitybites said:
You are incorrect. 3% of the population is still Christian. Down from 10%, but maybe you are more comfortable with the genocide of 300,000 followers of Christ than I am.
ATL Bear said:Thank you for pointing out exactly what I said. From 2 million to 300,000 means most of the population has already departed..Realitybites said:
You are incorrect. 3% of the population is still Christian. Down from 10%, but maybe you are more comfortable with the genocide of 300,000 followers of Christ than I am.
Ok so…because most of this unique many thousand year old Christian community has fled means we need to not care what happens to the remaining 300,000 Christians?
God help them and support them since they are stuck between the islamists (of all various kinds in the Middle East), Arab Baathists, the now godless West, and the Israelis… these Syrian Christians have no friends and no one to help them.
PS
I think this just shows us that Lebanon should have been kept as an exclusively Christian country for the protection of middle eastern Christians facing oppression everywhere else
He also ignores what the fall of the Syrian government means for Lebanese Christians = fall of Hizballah, a radical Shia islamist goup that has killed thousands of AMERICAN Christians, and also thousands of Lebanese Christians..ATL Bear said:Thank you for pointing out exactly what I said. From 2 million to 300,000 means most of the population has already departed. I'd engage in a dialogue around the fate of Syriac Christians, but something feels very disingenuous about your concern.Realitybites said:
You are incorrect. 3% of the population is still Christian. Down from 10%, but maybe you are more comfortable with the genocide of 300,000 followers of Christ than I am.
The Assad Government has been on the "State Sponsor of Terrorism" list for my entire adult life. Very, very difficult for the fall of such a government to be a bad outcome for the USA.
whiterock said:
The Assad Government has been on the "State Sponsor of Terrorism" list for my entire adult life. Very, very difficult for the fall of such a government to be a bad outcome for the USA.
Once again you make the mistake of conflating what is good for the deep state with what is good for the country. The State Sponsor of Terrorism list is another meaningless proclamation; the countries responsible for the single largest terrorist attack on America are not on it. Just another BS bureaucratic cudgel.
Why do you work so hard to be such a monumental doofus on foreign affairs? the list means we have documentable proof that their government was directly involved in terrorist acts.Realitybites said:whiterock said:
The Assad Government has been on the "State Sponsor of Terrorism" list for my entire adult life. Very, very difficult for the fall of such a government to be a bad outcome for the USA.
Once again you make the mistake of conflating what is good for the deep state with what is good for the country. The State Sponsor of Terrorism list is another meaningless proclamation; the countries responsible for the single largest terrorist attack on America are not on it. Just anothrr BS bureaucratic cudgel.
Syria was a charter member of the SST list, using terrorism as an instrument of state policy against the USA and US allies for decades. They housed, fed, trained, armed terrorist groups all across the spectrum which killed thousands of mostly Christians all over Western Europe and the Middle East. Notably, Syria was the critical supply hub for Hizballah, an Iranian proxy terrorist group that has killed THOUSANDS of American citizens over the years, and posed existential risk to the Lebanese state (in which Christians are part of the ruling coalition) and the Israeli state (an important US ally).
(overlooked in all this - the fall of the Assad regime means there can now be pipelines run from the Persian Gulf to Europe, effectively ending European dependence on Russian oil/gas, by extension making Nato stronger).
You would look less dumb trying to argue that we should have left Italy alone in WWII because Mussolini made the trains run on time.
whiterock said:Why do you work so hard to be such a monumental doofus on foreign affairs? the list means we have documentable proof that their government was directly involved in terrorist acts.Realitybites said:whiterock said:
The Assad Government has been on the "State Sponsor of Terrorism" list for my entire adult life. Very, very difficult for the fall of such a government to be a bad outcome for the USA.
Once again you make the mistake of conflating what is good for the deep state with what is good for the country. The State Sponsor of Terrorism list is another meaningless proclamation; the countries responsible for the single largest terrorist attack on America are not on it. Just anothrr BS bureaucratic cudgel.
Syria was a charter member of the SST list, using terrorism as an instrument of state policy against the USA and US allies for decades. They housed, fed, trained, armed terrorist groups all across the spectrum which killed thousands of mostly Christians all over Western Europe and the Middle East. Notably, Syria was the critical supply hub for Hizballah, an Iranian proxy terrorist group that has killed THOUSANDS of American citizens over the years, and posed existential risk to the Lebanese state (in which Christians are part of the ruling coalition) and the Israeli state (an important US ally).
(overlooked in all this - the fall of the Assad regime means there can now be pipelines run from the Persian Gulf to Europe, effectively ending European dependence on Russian oil/gas, by extension making Nato stronger).
You would look less dumb trying to argue that we should have left Italy alone in WWII because Mussolini made the trains run on time.
Well baathist Syria did fight with us in the 1st Gulf war
But I don't think most people care that an Iranian proxy State is about to fall
They do care about what kind of State comes after….and they are right to be scared that it might look something like Taliban Afghanistan
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(overlooked in all this - the fall of the Assad regime means there can now be pipelines run from the Persian Gulf to Europe, effectively ending European dependence on Russian oil/gas, by extension making Nato stronger).
Thanks for admitting why you aren't opposed to the genocide of 300,000 Christians.
Oh, and as I mentioned in the other thread, these are the people you support.
"As the founder of HTS, al-Julani has nearly a decade sought to dissociate himself from other armed forces and their focus on transnational operations, switching instead to focusing on creating an "Islamic republic" in Syria.
Al-Julani coordinated in those early years with Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, head of al-Qaeda's "Islamic State in Iraq", which later became ISIL (ISIS).
In April 2013, al-Baghdadi suddenly announced that his group was cutting ties with al-Qaeda and would expand into Syria, effectively swallowing al-Nusra Front into a new group called ISIL.
Al-Julani rejected this change, maintaining his allegiance to al-Qaeda.
During his first televised interview in 2014, he told Al Jazeera that Syria should be ruled under his group's interpretation of "Islamic law" and the country's minorities, such as Christians and Alawis would not be accommodated.
The stated aim of HTS is...establishing a state according to their own interpretation of "Islamic law", according to the Centre for Strategic and International Studies think-tank in Washington, DC.""
That's why deep state apologists like Whiterock and the CIA have no credibility. They're cheering on the overthrow of the last secular government in the middle east to install the people responsible for 9-11.
Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:The Syrian rebel groups are all wholly owned subsidiaries of powers .Realitybites said:whiterock said:
Winners: everybody.
Losers: the Christian men in Syria who McCain's terrorist buddies will murder, the women they will rape, and the children they will kill or enslave just as ISIS did. Everyone sane who doesn't equate what is good for the CIA/deep state as being good for America.
They just successfully destabilized Syria, and the end result is not going to be any better than Libya, Iraq, or the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power in Egypt. A very sad Christmas is coming for everyone in that country who wasn't a fan of the 9-11 attacks (Wahabbi Sunnis, who are now free to cut throats to their hearts content).
YepLooks like “our side in Syria” won. Let’s all hope it now doesn’t go like the last time we “won” in Iraq and Libya. pic.twitter.com/F3HbpE5uiv
— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) December 7, 2024
Not us. Turkey. And it's doubtful Turkey will allow them to slaughter Christians.
He'll, it's Turkey that apparently told them to let the Russians leave peacefully with their stuff.
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Not us. Turkey. And it's doubtful Turkey will allow them to slaughter Christians.
Ah yes, the remnant of the Ottoman empire responsible for the Armenian genocide and the government that turned the Hagia Sophia back into a mosque is going to stop HTS from establishing the Islamic Republic they state they want to establish.
Mothra said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:The Syrian rebel groups are all wholly owned subsidiaries of powers .Realitybites said:whiterock said:
Winners: everybody.
Losers: the Christian men in Syria who McCain's terrorist buddies will murder, the women they will rape, and the children they will kill or enslave just as ISIS did. Everyone sane who doesn't equate what is good for the CIA/deep state as being good for America.
They just successfully destabilized Syria, and the end result is not going to be any better than Libya, Iraq, or the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power in Egypt. A very sad Christmas is coming for everyone in that country who wasn't a fan of the 9-11 attacks (Wahabbi Sunnis, who are now free to cut throats to their hearts content).
YepLooks like “our side in Syria” won. Let’s all hope it now doesn’t go like the last time we “won” in Iraq and Libya. pic.twitter.com/F3HbpE5uiv
— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) December 7, 2024
And it's doubtful Turkey will allow them to slaughter Christians.
You don't know the Turks or their entire bloody history of persecuting Christians
[Sometimes called the first genocide of the twentieth century, the Armenian genocide refers to the physical annihilation of Armenian Christian people living in the Turkish Ottoman Empire from spring 1915 through autumn 1916. There were millions of Armenians living in the multiethnic Ottoman Empire in 1915. At least 1.2 million died during the genocide, either in massacres and individual killings, or from systematic ill treatment, exposure, and starvation.]
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— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) December 8, 2024
No one said anything about not caring what happens to them. That's the fantasy you and reality (lol) bear are creating. I simply pointed out the fallacy that Assad was good for this community when his tumultuous reign over the past decade plus has resulted in the vast majority of the community departing the country. The situation isn't "suddenly worse" for them now that Assad is gone. It's been terrible for them for some time.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:Thank you for pointing out exactly what I said. From 2 million to 300,000 means most of the population has already departed..Realitybites said:
You are incorrect. 3% of the population is still Christian. Down from 10%, but maybe you are more comfortable with the genocide of 300,000 followers of Christ than I am.
Ok so…because most of this unique many thousand year old Christian community has fled means we need to not care what happens to the remaining 300,000 Christians?
God help them and support them since they are stuck between the islamists (of all various kinds in the Middle East), Arab Baathists, the now godless West, and the Israelis… these Syrian Christians have no friends and no one to help them.
PS
I think this just shows us that Lebanon should have been kept as an exclusively Christian country for the protection of middle eastern Christians facing oppression everywhere else
your statement tells us that you know nothing on the subject of turkey and ChristiansMothra said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:The Syrian rebel groups are all wholly owned subsidiaries of powers .Realitybites said:whiterock said:
Winners: everybody.
Losers: the Christian men in Syria who McCain's terrorist buddies will murder, the women they will rape, and the children they will kill or enslave just as ISIS did. Everyone sane who doesn't equate what is good for the CIA/deep state as being good for America.
They just successfully destabilized Syria, and the end result is not going to be any better than Libya, Iraq, or the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power in Egypt. A very sad Christmas is coming for everyone in that country who wasn't a fan of the 9-11 attacks (Wahabbi Sunnis, who are now free to cut throats to their hearts content).
YepLooks like “our side in Syria” won. Let’s all hope it now doesn’t go like the last time we “won” in Iraq and Libya. pic.twitter.com/F3HbpE5uiv
— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) December 7, 2024
Not us. Turkey. And it's doubtful Turkey will allow them to slaughter Christians.
https://academic.oup.com/ia/article/96/1/247/5697493
https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-turkey-destroyed-its-christians-11558109896
Going back 100 years for a point on today's geo political situation is something. While we're at it, let's evaluate German-Jewish relations based upon the period of 1925-1945.thales said:your statement tells us that you know nothing on the subject of turkey and ChristiansMothra said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:The Syrian rebel groups are all wholly owned subsidiaries of powers .Realitybites said:whiterock said:
Winners: everybody.
Losers: the Christian men in Syria who McCain's terrorist buddies will murder, the women they will rape, and the children they will kill or enslave just as ISIS did. Everyone sane who doesn't equate what is good for the CIA/deep state as being good for America.
They just successfully destabilized Syria, and the end result is not going to be any better than Libya, Iraq, or the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power in Egypt. A very sad Christmas is coming for everyone in that country who wasn't a fan of the 9-11 attacks (Wahabbi Sunnis, who are now free to cut throats to their hearts content).
YepLooks like “our side in Syria” won. Let’s all hope it now doesn’t go like the last time we “won” in Iraq and Libya. pic.twitter.com/F3HbpE5uiv
— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) December 7, 2024
Not us. Turkey. And it's doubtful Turkey will allow them to slaughter Christians.
https://academic.oup.com/ia/article/96/1/247/5697493
https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-turkey-destroyed-its-christians-11558109896
Turkey certainly isn't Christian friendly just like most Islamic nations, but expecting a slaughter is outrageous.
I'm cheering the fall of a despot who has the blood of thousands of American citizens on his hands. The explosives that killed 241 Americans in the Marine Barracks bombing in Lebanon? They came from Syria. I thought you are all about America First? I would advise taking a "wait & see" attitude toward a leader who has was not involved in 9-11, who is not a part of a group involved in 9-11, and is already talking quite a bit differently from any group involved in 9-11 or other terror attacks against us. He's not talking about retribution or jihad. He's talking about nationalism and reconstruction. Very different tone from the jihadis we've seen over the years.Realitybites said:Quote:
(overlooked in all this - the fall of the Assad regime means there can now be pipelines run from the Persian Gulf to Europe, effectively ending European dependence on Russian oil/gas, by extension making Nato stronger).
Thanks for admitting why you aren't opposed to the genocide of 300,000 Christians.
Won't happen. Rebels are already significantly moderating their rhetoric. They've already been in control of the Christian areas for days, and in some cases weeks. No beheadings yet. No arty fires at Christian churches yet. In fact, Christians are celebrating in the streets. You should pause and consider the possibility that you are wildly misreading current events, because you are...... (predictably).
Oh, and as I mentioned in the other thread, these are the people you support.
I didn't support them. I pointed out the fall of the Assad regime was a very good thing for US interests. We knew for sure that not only did we had zero common ground, no leverage with the Assad regime. We could in fact expect to get unstinting opposition from them. Can't get much worse with this new bunch, and there are clear indicators the situation will improve.
"As the founder of HTS, al-Julani has nearly a decade sought to dissociate himself from other armed forces and their focus on transnational operations, switching instead to focusing on creating an "Islamic republic" in Syria.
Al-Julani coordinated in those early years with Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, head of al-Qaeda's "Islamic State in Iraq", which later became ISIL (ISIS).
In April 2013, al-Baghdadi suddenly announced that his group was cutting ties with al-Qaeda and would expand into Syria, effectively swallowing al-Nusra Front into a new group called ISIL.
Al-Julani rejected this change, maintaining his allegiance to al-Qaeda.
During his first televised interview in 2014, he told Al Jazeera that Syria should be ruled under his group's interpretation of "Islamic law" and the country's minorities, such as Christians and Alawis would not be accommodated.
The stated aim of HTS is...establishing a state according to their own interpretation of "Islamic law", according to the Centre for Strategic and International Studies think-tank in Washington, DC.""
That's why deep state apologists like Whiterock and the CIA have no credibility. They're cheering on the overthrow of the last secular government in the middle east to install the people responsible for 9-11.
What he's said is what had to be said to obtain leadership in a rebel movement. He's shown clear willingness to change policies and change alliances, so not much evidence he's a jihadi ideologue. Now that he's won, he's already saying different things, moderating his language. None of the terror leaders you cite did that. The kinds of jihadis you are talking about never did. So why is he?
(think it thru).
Words of wisdom by Abu Mohammad al-Julani, the true leader of #Syria and a symbol of strength, resilience, and the pursuit of justice. In the face of oppression, he leads with courage, igniting the flame of freedom. Victory belongs to those who never surrender.#HTS #Freesyria pic.twitter.com/QsNQCQBv01
— Moose Manoo (@ManooMoose) December 6, 2024
Pull your skirt down and try looking objectively at what's happening. A very sharp young Syrian entered a very chaotic situation and managed to rise to leadership of a coalition that ended up overthrowing a regime that worked implacably against US interests for 50 years. He's not talking like a jihadist. He's talking like a guy who understands he has a lot of work to do internally if his regime is to survive. To do that, he's going to need western aid. And he will get it. Because every crisis is an opportunity. You have to use it to improve your position. We've already done that. Dude is an enemy of Russia and and enemy of Iran, a friend of Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Plenty of bridgeheads to build upon. You have to give him some slack for talking about islam. they call that part of the globe "the islamic world" for a reason - islam orders society. He's got to check boxes. He has to appeal to things that give him legitimacy. Then includes not saying nice things about Israel, USA, and the West. LOOK AT HIS ACTIONS.
Here's a good, balanced analysis. You should think hard on it.
Who is Abu Mohammad al-Julani, the man who toppled the Assad regime? Julani was born in the 1980s to a Syrian family that left Syria when Hafez al-Assad rose to power. He grew up in the Gulf but returned to Syria in 1989. When the Iraq War kicked off in the early 2000s, Julani… pic.twitter.com/eiQpihFhKD
— Raylan Givens (@JewishWarrior13) December 8, 2024
historian said:trey3216 said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:trey3216 said:Where did I say a damn thing about accepting unfettered mass immigration or that foreign actors can do anything they want? What the hell are you reading or talking about?TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Redbrickbear said:trey3216 said:You encourage the US govt to arrest people for making the decision to immigrate to our country. That is as blatant a statement of speech as the spoken word.Redbrickbear said:trey3216 said:It's funny that you and BarBearian are actually encouraging the US to do the same....just in a different mannerRedbrickbear said:sombear said:Redbrickbear said:sombear said:Redbrickbear said:sombear said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:How often would you propose letting every province in the world having a plebiscite on the question of which state it preferred to be a part of? Once a century? Once a decade? Every year?Redbrickbear said:sombear said:Redbrickbear said:sombear said:Redbrickbear said:sombear said:Redbrickbear said:sombear said:
Russia invaded in 2014. You and Putin believe that invasion and Russia's subsequent declaration of Donbas independence and inclusion in the Russian Fed was legitimate and should be recognized. The rest of the world disagrees.
And you think DC bombing Serbia into submission so that Kosovo could be illegally separated from the Nation was fine
Both Moscow and DC violate international law when it pleases them
Personally I think the people of Donbas should be allowed to vote on it
Do you oppose the people of Donbas being able to vote who they want to be in a political union with?
Of course I oppose it now. A vote after invasion, takeover, and murder/expulsion of people is not a vote at all. And nothing like Spetsnaz voting observers!
I would not have opposed it pre-2014
So what is the plan?
Zelensky keeps making war trying to retake the Donbas? (Been going on now for 10 years)
Kyiv does somehow retake it and then has to deal with a long term Russian backed rebel/insurgency movement?
A few posts back I said I accept that Ukraine will have to give up the Donbas. That does not mean it's right, and certainly does not mean "it's always been Russia anyway."
The Donbas was part of the Russian Empire for hundreds of years
It was part of the USSR for 70 years
It was part of a independent Ukrainian State for 23 years before hostilities broken out (1991-2014)
Letting the people of the Donbas vote is the only logical way to solve the problem of "who owns the Donbas"
They voted overwhelmingly in 1991 and voted through inaction every year thereafter.
Gosh….what could have changed in 2014 that made the people of Donbas feel differently?
Let's have a modern vote and find out who Donbas wants to be in a political union with
Sure, why not?
Should we be preventing borders from being redrawn by force?
I get confused when the DC crowd hates secession movements at home or in Donbas...but then likes them in South Sudan, Kosovo, East Timor, Ukraine and the Baltic States in 1991, etc.
It all seems very very arbitrary
Independence for some people....not for others.
Perpetually fluid borders is the worst possible plan of all to prevent wars.
Humans have been changing borders forever
No matter how much Empires and their rulers hate it
DC and Moscow both dislike it when people try to leave and become independent ….but you can't keep a boot on people forever
Interestingly … free people tend to want to affiliate and align with the U.S. Russia, not so much. And that's what really bothers Russia and why they bottom feed with Iran, NK, Syria, Venezuela, Bolivia, and Cuba.
Maybe
Might also be that the West is where the money is right now in the world
I mean they lock people up in Europe for Facebook memes so it's not exactly free either
And Americans liberals would love to bring that kind of thing here but luckily we still have a 1st amendment
Russians are also just really bad a making friends or influencing people so the losers club of leftovers might be the only counties they can find
Political correctness sucks. But it's better than being poisoned, sent to Siberia, Africa, or Syria, and otherwise languishing under a brutal totalitarian regime with few freedoms and little hope for a bright future.
Non sequitur
Its more than political correctness that sucks....as in America
In Europe you can and do go to jail for free speech....that is not freedom.
Now Russia, China, etc. might be worse but that is not the point.
Konstantin Kirsten even makes the point that sometimes its actually worse in the UK than Russia.
Actually it is precisely the point - that Russia is far worse - and everyone knows it, and that - not poor marketing - is why free people fight to avoid Russian affiliation.
Russia is losing lots of young people.
But if you asked the vast majority to them why they are leaving....it would be for economic reasons
But Western Europan nations arresting thousands of people a year for free speech is eye opening
Where have I ever encouraged the US government to arrest people for free speech?
I honestly don't know how you could read posts of mine on this forum for years and come to that conclusion
No one has the right to enter another country illegally and against the laws of that Nation
I know you are ludicrously pro-mass immigration but have never heard someone equate migration with free speech
A guy from another country being arrested for entering the US illegally....is very very different than a working class British person being arrested for facebook memes or sharing a view the government does not like.
Clearly true. Complete nonsense by him to believe that foreign actors can do anything they want if guised as "free speech"
National acceptance of Unfettered mass immigration is effectively a death knell for any nation. Its proponents are misguided utopians with thoughts of unicorns running wild and fairies dusting the land.
This is you, right?Quote:
trey3216 said:
You encourage the US govt to arrest people for making the decision to immigrate to our country. That is as blatant a statement of speech as the spoken word.
Folks like BarBearian don't want any immigrants in our country. A legal immigrant in our country is making a statement of speech that they want to be here and are willing to do what it takes to be here and be a productive member of society, yet there are people that want them gone as well. That's "arresting" someone for far worse than free speech.
Ow, since it seems you can't read good, and you interpolated my comment into "Unfettered Mass Immigration" and " foreign actors can do anything they want"…..then i don't believe I'll be of any help to you. That's where my comment "inability to reason in any form or fashion" comes into play.
Rapists & murderers ard not productive m need of society. Neither are members of the Venezuelan gang that have taken over parts of several American cities, including San Antonio, of terrorists. Technically, victims of the sex traffickers are not productive members of society either, unless one believes pedophiles should be allowed to have minor slaves to use as they wish. Obviously, they ard not the same as most illegals and most illegals probably don't belong to any of these groups. But our open borders have brought far too many of each. We gave a huge crisis created by Biden, Harris, & Mayorkas. They are the greatest coyotes in history.
Good God in Heaven! Can you read?
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
ATL Bear said:Going back 100 years for a point on today's geo political situation is something. While we're at it, let's evaluate German-Jewish relations based upon the period of 1925-1945.thales said:your statement tells us that you know nothing on the subject of turkey and ChristiansMothra said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:The Syrian rebel groups are all wholly owned subsidiaries of powers .Realitybites said:whiterock said:
Winners: everybody.
Losers: the Christian men in Syria who McCain's terrorist buddies will murder, the women they will rape, and the children they will kill or enslave just as ISIS did. Everyone sane who doesn't equate what is good for the CIA/deep state as being good for America.
They just successfully destabilized Syria, and the end result is not going to be any better than Libya, Iraq, or the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power in Egypt. A very sad Christmas is coming for everyone in that country who wasn't a fan of the 9-11 attacks (Wahabbi Sunnis, who are now free to cut throats to their hearts content).
YepLooks like “our side in Syria” won. Let’s all hope it now doesn’t go like the last time we “won” in Iraq and Libya. pic.twitter.com/F3HbpE5uiv
— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) December 7, 2024
Not us. Turkey. And it's doubtful Turkey will allow them to slaughter Christians.
https://academic.oup.com/ia/article/96/1/247/5697493
https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-turkey-destroyed-its-christians-11558109896
Turkey certainly isn't Christian friendly just like most Islamic nations, but expecting a slaughter is outrageous.
Well people are expecting Islamist militia groups to act like Islamist militia groups....and to persecute Christians and those they consider to be heretics...because they constantly engage in that kind of behavior
The statement was not that Turkey would direct the killing...but that Turkey (via its long history of oppressing non -Sunni Muslim residents) might not lift a hand to prevent it.
It also does not instill confidence in people that to this very day Turkey denies its role in one of the largest genocides on earth (the mass killing of Armenia, Greek, and Assyrian Christians during WWI)
Germany of course does not deny to the world or lie to itself that the Holocaust did not happen
🚨🇶🇦🇹🇷 Now that Assad has fallen, there is no political obstacle to building the Qatar-Turkiye gas pipeline.
— NewRulesGeopolitics (@NewRulesGeo) December 8, 2024
The planned pipeline, which runs through Syria, is meant to provide Europe with an alternative to Russian gas. pic.twitter.com/rdLisNQ4jF
Here's Russian state media admitting that Assad's job was to make sure no pipelines went through Syria into Turkey so that all that cheaper Saudi and Qatari LNG never hurt Russia's gas monopoly, the one Putin lost anyway by invading Ukraine. https://t.co/wg9RsG8950 pic.twitter.com/iMw5jqLetM
— Jay in Kyiv (@JayinKyiv) December 8, 2024
How do you say 'd'oh'' in rooskie???
Vlad got preoccupied with Ukraine - lost his ME port and airbase.
Not Smart.
Nyet.
- KKM
Go Bears!
Vlad got preoccupied with Ukraine - lost his ME port and airbase.
Not Smart.
Nyet.
- KKM
Go Bears!
Are you a man or a mouse!? - F. D.
Yay, Al Qaeda.ATL Bear said:
Assad has fled Syria and Damascus has fallen to rebels.
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/syria-civil-war-damascus?st=8wgDG7&reflink=article_copyURL_share
Excellent information.Redbrickbear said:🚨🇶🇦🇹🇷 Now that Assad has fallen, there is no political obstacle to building the Qatar-Turkiye gas pipeline.
— NewRulesGeopolitics (@NewRulesGeo) December 8, 2024
The planned pipeline, which runs through Syria, is meant to provide Europe with an alternative to Russian gas. pic.twitter.com/rdLisNQ4jFHere's Russian state media admitting that Assad's job was to make sure no pipelines went through Syria into Turkey so that all that cheaper Saudi and Qatari LNG never hurt Russia's gas monopoly, the one Putin lost anyway by invading Ukraine. https://t.co/wg9RsG8950 pic.twitter.com/iMw5jqLetM
— Jay in Kyiv (@JayinKyiv) December 8, 2024
Thanks.
“We zealous youth will not forget the cowardice of the decision-makers” — a young IRGC radical tells me.
— Kasra Aarabi (کسری اعرابی) (@KasraAarabi) December 8, 2024
Fault lines are emerging in Iran’s IRGC over the handling of Syria. Younger radicals are enraged at the “abandonment.” This will cause Khamenei major problems.
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Islamists and Islamist militias have been the hardest on Muslims if we're being honest, and it's not even close.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:Going back 100 years for a point on today's geo political situation is something. While we're at it, let's evaluate German-Jewish relations based upon the period of 1925-1945.thales said:your statement tells us that you know nothing on the subject of turkey and ChristiansMothra said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:The Syrian rebel groups are all wholly owned subsidiaries of powers .Realitybites said:whiterock said:
Winners: everybody.
Losers: the Christian men in Syria who McCain's terrorist buddies will murder, the women they will rape, and the children they will kill or enslave just as ISIS did. Everyone sane who doesn't equate what is good for the CIA/deep state as being good for America.
They just successfully destabilized Syria, and the end result is not going to be any better than Libya, Iraq, or the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power in Egypt. A very sad Christmas is coming for everyone in that country who wasn't a fan of the 9-11 attacks (Wahabbi Sunnis, who are now free to cut throats to their hearts content).
YepLooks like “our side in Syria” won. Let’s all hope it now doesn’t go like the last time we “won” in Iraq and Libya. pic.twitter.com/F3HbpE5uiv
— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) December 7, 2024
Not us. Turkey. And it's doubtful Turkey will allow them to slaughter Christians.
https://academic.oup.com/ia/article/96/1/247/5697493
https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-turkey-destroyed-its-christians-11558109896
Turkey certainly isn't Christian friendly just like most Islamic nations, but expecting a slaughter is outrageous.
Well people are expecting Islamist militia groups to act like Islamist militia groups....and to persecute Christians and those they consider to be heretics...because they constantly engage in that kind of behavior
The statement was not that Turkey would direct the killing...but that Turkey (via its long history of oppressing non -Sunni Muslim residents) might not lift a hand to prevent it.
It also does not instill confidence in people that to this very day Turkey denies its role in one of the largest genocides on earth (the mass killing of Armenia, Greek, and Assyrian Christians during WWI)
Germany of course does not deny to the world or lie to itself that the Holocaust did not happen
Deflection is certainly one way to assuage your grief for Putin and his Iranian friends.Sam Lowry said:Yay, Al Qaeda.ATL Bear said:
Assad has fled Syria and Damascus has fallen to rebels.
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/syria-civil-war-damascus?st=8wgDG7&reflink=article_copyURL_share
And yet, Turkey isn't killing the large remnant of Christians present in that country. Given that I was on a mission trip there about 5 years ago, I speak from personal experience.Realitybites said:Quote:
Not us. Turkey. And it's doubtful Turkey will allow them to slaughter Christians.
Ah yes, the remnant of the Ottoman empire responsible for the Armenian genocide and the government that turned the Hagia Sophia back into a mosque is going to stop HTS from establishing the Islamic Republic they state they want to establish.
Do you have some evidence to the contrary?
I am very much aware of Turkey's history. Their modern history is quite different.Redbrickbear said:Mothra said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:The Syrian rebel groups are all wholly owned subsidiaries of powers .Realitybites said:whiterock said:
Winners: everybody.
Losers: the Christian men in Syria who McCain's terrorist buddies will murder, the women they will rape, and the children they will kill or enslave just as ISIS did. Everyone sane who doesn't equate what is good for the CIA/deep state as being good for America.
They just successfully destabilized Syria, and the end result is not going to be any better than Libya, Iraq, or the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power in Egypt. A very sad Christmas is coming for everyone in that country who wasn't a fan of the 9-11 attacks (Wahabbi Sunnis, who are now free to cut throats to their hearts content).
YepLooks like “our side in Syria” won. Let’s all hope it now doesn’t go like the last time we “won” in Iraq and Libya. pic.twitter.com/F3HbpE5uiv
— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) December 7, 2024
And it's doubtful Turkey will allow them to slaughter Christians.
You don't know the Turks or their entire bloody history of persecuting Christians
[Sometimes called the first genocide of the twentieth century, the Armenian genocide refers to the physical annihilation of Armenian Christian people living in the Turkish Ottoman Empire from spring 1915 through autumn 1916. There were millions of Armenians living in the multiethnic Ottoman Empire in 1915. At least 1.2 million died during the genocide, either in massacres and individual killings, or from systematic ill treatment, exposure, and starvation.]
I am not saying Turkish society is "accepting" and open to the Gospel. I am also not saying Christians there are not persecuted. What I can say with certainty is they're not being slaughtered.
Your statement tells me you're as dumb as a box of rocks.thales said:your statement tells us that you know nothing on the subject of turkey and ChristiansMothra said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:The Syrian rebel groups are all wholly owned subsidiaries of powers .Realitybites said:whiterock said:
Winners: everybody.
Losers: the Christian men in Syria who McCain's terrorist buddies will murder, the women they will rape, and the children they will kill or enslave just as ISIS did. Everyone sane who doesn't equate what is good for the CIA/deep state as being good for America.
They just successfully destabilized Syria, and the end result is not going to be any better than Libya, Iraq, or the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power in Egypt. A very sad Christmas is coming for everyone in that country who wasn't a fan of the 9-11 attacks (Wahabbi Sunnis, who are now free to cut throats to their hearts content).
YepLooks like “our side in Syria” won. Let’s all hope it now doesn’t go like the last time we “won” in Iraq and Libya. pic.twitter.com/F3HbpE5uiv
— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) December 7, 2024
Not us. Turkey. And it's doubtful Turkey will allow them to slaughter Christians.
https://academic.oup.com/ia/article/96/1/247/5697493
https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-turkey-destroyed-its-christians-11558109896
I suspect I am much more knowledgeable than you on the subject, given you have to go back 100 years to support your stupid position.
Mothra said:I am very much aware of Turkey's history. Their modern history is quite different.Redbrickbear said:Mothra said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:The Syrian rebel groups are all wholly owned subsidiaries of powers .Realitybites said:whiterock said:
Winners: everybody.
Losers: the Christian men in Syria who McCain's terrorist buddies will murder, the women they will rape, and the children they will kill or enslave just as ISIS did. Everyone sane who doesn't equate what is good for the CIA/deep state as being good for America.
They just successfully destabilized Syria, and the end result is not going to be any better than Libya, Iraq, or the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power in Egypt. A very sad Christmas is coming for everyone in that country who wasn't a fan of the 9-11 attacks (Wahabbi Sunnis, who are now free to cut throats to their hearts content).
YepLooks like “our side in Syria” won. Let’s all hope it now doesn’t go like the last time we “won” in Iraq and Libya. pic.twitter.com/F3HbpE5uiv
— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) December 7, 2024
And it's doubtful Turkey will allow them to slaughter Christians.
You don't know the Turks or their entire bloody history of persecuting Christians
[Sometimes called the first genocide of the twentieth century, the Armenian genocide refers to the physical annihilation of Armenian Christian people living in the Turkish Ottoman Empire from spring 1915 through autumn 1916. There were millions of Armenians living in the multiethnic Ottoman Empire in 1915. At least 1.2 million died during the genocide, either in massacres and individual killings, or from systematic ill treatment, exposure, and starvation.]
I am not saying Turkish society is "accepting" and open to the Gospel. I am also not saying Christians there are not persecuted. What I can say with certainty is they're not being slaughtered.
"The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers..."
-Recep Tayyip Erdoan
, quoted in "Turkey's charismatic pro-Islamic leader". BBC News. 2001-11-04.
That pipeline was not the sole reason for the war. Not by a longshot. But it will pay for itself and all the others, so it's a very big one indeed......Redbrickbear said:🚨🇶🇦🇹🇷 Now that Assad has fallen, there is no political obstacle to building the Qatar-Turkiye gas pipeline.
— NewRulesGeopolitics (@NewRulesGeo) December 8, 2024
The planned pipeline, which runs through Syria, is meant to provide Europe with an alternative to Russian gas. pic.twitter.com/rdLisNQ4jFHere's Russian state media admitting that Assad's job was to make sure no pipelines went through Syria into Turkey so that all that cheaper Saudi and Qatari LNG never hurt Russia's gas monopoly, the one Putin lost anyway by invading Ukraine. https://t.co/wg9RsG8950 pic.twitter.com/iMw5jqLetM
— Jay in Kyiv (@JayinKyiv) December 8, 2024
Mitch McConnell is launching a preemptive strike against the isolationists in his party, warning of the "price of American retreat" in an essay for Foreign Affairs.
— Axios (@axios) December 16, 2024
"America will not be made great again by those who simply want to manage its decline." https://t.co/kk8xSvBbBO
boognish_bear said:Mitch McConnell is launching a preemptive strike against the isolationists in his party, warning of the "price of American retreat" in an essay for Foreign Affairs.
— Axios (@axios) December 16, 2024
"America will not be made great again by those who simply want to manage its decline." https://t.co/kk8xSvBbBO
I wonder who wrote that piece for Mitch....we all know he does not have the mental acumen anymore to think this stuff up on his own
Multiple outlets now reporting what I predicted - US aid to Ukraine will continue under Trump admin
and there it is.... pic.twitter.com/5WX6WNiG5S
— david D. (@secretsqrl123) December 20, 2024