ron.reagan said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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ron.reagan said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Zelensky says that he is willing to resign as Ukraine’s leader in exchange for NATO membership.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) February 23, 2025

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worst dictator ever

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Why not just hold a freaking election instead?

If he wins it he can stay in office and advocate for membership

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He did and he already won...

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So he never has to run again?

Sounds like dictator behavior to me eh comrade?

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a dictator could have an election whenever they wanted to. I'm not sure you know how these things work

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Did your boy Lenin ever hold an election after the Bolsheviks took power?

Did that socialist Hitler after he won?

So in fact dictators often don't hold elections and they use the pretext of "martial law" or "national emergency" to rule without going to the people and risking getting voted out of office

"So in fact dictators often don't hold elections"

literally my point lmao.. It is not up to him big brains

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Assassin said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

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^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

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Dude over here owns a Combat Infantry Badge.

But of course you Rear Echelon Pukes remain the real 'warriors'.

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Thanks for your service Kai!

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Dumbest series of choices I have ever made in my life.

Relieved none of my sons did the same.

As no one gives a flying **** about the sacrifices made.

Least of all the elites ( of every country ) who cause the bloodshed to begin with.

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You and Antifa would get along great

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Your views on organized religion and LGBTQ would fit in great with antifa

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They wouldn't at all actually.

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You both hate Trump fanatically and have left wing social views

Makes sense that you have never criticized them on this forum

Do you drive to Austin to meet up?

Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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"So in fact dictators often don't hold elections"

literally my point lmao.. It is not up to him big brains

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Yes it is

He can hold elections anytime he wants by suspending the presidential decree of martial law

[imposition of martial law has meant that polls have been indefinitely suspended. Since the war began in February 2022, martial law has been imposed and extended (for 90 days at a time) 14 times thus far]

He does hold elections because he does not want to do so….and the DC (before Trump) and Brussels were not forcing him to do so.

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Dictator!!!

This is why the Ukrainian parliament's opposition leaders signed a joint statement that both parliamentary and presidential elections should take place after the cessation of the war and the conclusion of martial law. The document indicates a consensus among major political parties regarding the need for an appropriate period of time to prepare for elections and favorable conditions for campaigning and voting.

What Do Voters Think?

For the general population, holding elections under current conditions would be problematic. For example, in a November survey conducted by Kyiv's International Institute of Sociology, over 80 percent of respondents expressed a preference for deferring elections until the war had ended.

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Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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"So in fact dictators often don't hold elections"

literally my point lmao.. It is not up to him big brains

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Yes it is

He can hold elections anytime he wants by suspending the presidential decree of martial law

[imposition of martial law has meant that polls have been indefinitely suspended. Since the war began in February 2022, martial law has been imposed and extended (for 90 days at a time) 14 times thus far]

He does hold elections because he does not want to do so….and the DC (before Trump) and Brussels were not forcing him to do so.

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Dictator!!!

This is why the Ukrainian parliament's opposition leaders signed a joint statement that both parliamentary and presidential elections should take place after the cessation of the war and the conclusion of martial law.

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So Zelensky and the Rada members currently in power want to remain in power and not face the voters in an election….shocker

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sombear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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"So in fact dictators often don't hold elections"

literally my point lmao.. It is not up to him big brains

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Yes it is

He can hold elections anytime he wants by suspending the presidential decree of martial law

[imposition of martial law has meant that polls have been indefinitely suspended. Since the war began in February 2022, martial law has been imposed and extended (for 90 days at a time) 14 times thus far]

He does hold elections because he does not want to do so….and the DC (before Trump) and Brussels were not forcing him to do so.

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Dictator!!!

This is why the Ukrainian parliament's opposition leaders signed a joint statement that both parliamentary and presidential elections should take place after the cessation of the war and the conclusion of martial law.

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So Zelensky and the Rada members currently in power want to remain in power and not face the voters in an election….shocker

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You're right . . . disregard (1) the elected officials - whom the Constitution expressly authorizes to decide, (2) the candidates who will run against Zelensky (all of whom have make public statements saying elections should wait), and (3) 80-85% of the Ukrainian public . . . and instead, listen to . . . Putin and the American alt-right!

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ron.reagan said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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Assassin said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

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^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

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Dude over here owns a Combat Infantry Badge.

But of course you Rear Echelon Pukes remain the real 'warriors'.

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Thanks for your service Kai!

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Dumbest series of choices I have ever made in my life.

Relieved none of my sons did the same.

As no one gives a flying **** about the sacrifices made.

Least of all the elites ( of every country ) who cause the bloodshed to begin with.

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You and Antifa would get along great

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Your views on organized religion and LGBTQ would fit in great with antifa

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They wouldn't at all actually.

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You both hate Trump fanatically and have left wing social views

Makes sense that you have never criticized them on this forum

Do you drive to Austin to meet up?

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I can see not wanting to execute gay people seems left wing outside your social circle

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ron.reagan said:

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"So in fact dictators often don't hold elections"

literally my point lmao.. It is not up to him big brains

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Yes it is

He can hold elections anytime he wants by suspending the presidential decree of martial law

[imposition of martial law has meant that polls have been indefinitely suspended. Since the war began in February 2022, martial law has been imposed and extended (for 90 days at a time) 14 times thus far]

He does hold elections because he does not want to do so….and the DC (before Trump) and Brussels were not forcing him to do so.

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The idea of suspending martial law while under a full scale invasion (even if he had the authority) is certainly an idea. They probably should just do mail-in voting sending the ballots to the east. Another extremely well thought out idea by you

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

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^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

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Dude over here owns a Combat Infantry Badge.

But of course you Rear Echelon Pukes remain the real 'warriors'.

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^ Guy in rolex and bone spurs makes fun of ex-military.

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Guy with rolex(s) and three grandsons mocks Rear Echelon Pukes who play internet Rambo.

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Considering your personality you might want to get a DNA test

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Considering your five day a week drinking habit you might want to get your fatty liver checked.

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I understand at your advanced age that is an issue but for a young healthy adult your body is capable of processing alcohols and doesn't require soft foods. I think you should get a few more months of fun in before the grandchildren check you into Sunset Manor

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LOL

Oh yeah drinking 5 days a week keeps a body 'slim' and a mind sharp.

That's why you are the multi millionaire with a stable family life.

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In my industry you are a millionaire with your first set of bonus stocks right out of college.I realize it took you 80 years to build up your average net worth managing a trailer park though

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LOL

Comrade, in your 'industry' you clean up the espresso machine before splitting up the tips with the other day shift mediocrities.

Then return alone, still again, to your little apartment; blaming everyone else for your toxic existence.

ron.reagan said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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"So in fact dictators often don't hold elections"

literally my point lmao.. It is not up to him big brains

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Yes it is

He can hold elections anytime he wants by suspending the presidential decree of martial law

[imposition of martial law has meant that polls have been indefinitely suspended. Since the war began in February 2022, martial law has been imposed and extended (for 90 days at a time) 14 times thus far]

He does hold elections because he does not want to do so….and the DC (before Trump) and Brussels were not forcing him to do so.

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The idea of suspending martial law while under a full scale invasion (even if he had the authority) is certainly an idea. They probably should just do mail-in voting sending the ballots to the east. Another extremely well thought out idea by you

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The battle lines have been static for a long time.

They could easily hold elections in the central and western parts of the country (where Ukrainian nationalists are the strongest)

Just admit you don't want them to hold elections comrade

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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Assassin said:

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KaiBear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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KaiBear said:

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This entire narrative that this bloodfest in Ukraine was somehow worth it in order to 'weaken' the Russian military is ludicrous.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been slaughtered.

Only folks thousands of miles from the carnage can even attempt to be smug about it.

And for what …..to argue about tanks ?

Russia will easily rebuild their tank numbers.

The United States might even get back some of the hundreds of billions Biden cynically gave away.

But those lives are irrevocably lost.

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^ dude over here thinks we won our freedom by thoughts and prayers

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Dude over here owns a Combat Infantry Badge.

But of course you Rear Echelon Pukes remain the real 'warriors'.

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Thanks for your service Kai!

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Dumbest series of choices I have ever made in my life.

Relieved none of my sons did the same.

As no one gives a flying **** about the sacrifices made.

Least of all the elites ( of every country ) who cause the bloodshed to begin with.

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You and Antifa would get along great

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Your views on organized religion and LGBTQ would fit in great with antifa

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They wouldn't at all actually.

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You both hate Trump fanatically and have left wing social views

Makes sense that you have never criticized them on this forum

Do you drive to Austin to meet up?

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I can see not wanting to execute gay people seems left wing outside your social circle

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You are such a drama queen…lol

No wonder you are Antifa

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Ukraine Never Should Have Made the Mistake of Getting Invaded

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Putin should not have invaded. But he did.
Not just true, but the most important truth of all. RUSSIA started all of this.

Biden should not have openly assured the Ukraine that they could join Nato. But he did.
False. Refusing to categorically reject the idea is not synonymous with "assuring" membership.

So what exactly do you want the US to do? Will you send your sons/daughters to go fight for the Ukraine? Or do you just want to send our tax dollars? And to what end and how long?
Support others who are willing to fight, for as long as they are willing to fight, up to and including supporting any future insurgency against a victorious Russia (which we most definitely will do, should such happen).

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It is amazing how hard people work to ignore very elementary geo-strategic realities: Ukraine is a sovereign country which was invaded by Russia without any cause whatsoever, an act which was a significant threat to Nato, an alliance to which we are a member. Russia committed an act of war; Ukraine did not. Nato is significantly more threatened by Russian actions than Russia than vice-versa.

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You're wrong. Biden did in fact assure them that they could join nato.

As for the rest of your comments, I have no problem with Ukraine continuing to fight.
So how much taxpayer money are you willing to just give away so Ukraine can bleed Russia. 100 billion per year? 200 billion? Just curious.

Personally, I think Europe should foot much of the bill. I also think that if we are going to fund/arm them in huge amounts, getting some favors/pay/guarantees in return for America would be reasonable. So I don't disagree entirely with you. There is value in bleeding Russia, but I wouldn't want to incentivize millions of deaths to do it. So if they want to continue to fight, let's sell them weapons and intelligence, but shelling out unlimited cash clearly makes it very easy for the Ukrainian oligarchs to keep killing off their own people without any personal sacrifice.

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Show your work here.

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You have google, it's quite easily found in the public domain. And two months later after Biden assured them it was up to the Ukraine to join or not, Russia invaded.

Yeah, I know ... Russia was always going to invade, blah blah blah. That conversation had nothing to do with it, blah blah blah.

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Didn't find it on Google. Furthermore, you didn't say "it was up to Ukraine". You said Biden assured them they could join. Everyone knows that "up to Ukraine" goes back to all the required changes necessary to qualify, as well as a vote by the members. You guys are playing fast and loose with the truth. It's getting old.

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Biden said it's up to Ukraine, so that means if Ukraine wants in, they can join. You want to make that some huge obstacle and hoops they'd have to jump through. Whatever you want to pretend, Clearly it's an invitation. So yeah, it's not fast and loose with what he said, you're just being obtuse.

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Wrong. You apparently don't understand what the NATO admission process is. This is why we get all jacked up over framed conspiracies about this war. If someone believes we have no geopolitical or strategic interest in Ukraine, fine, that's a debate. But when the President of the U.S. has to walk back blaming Ukraine for starting the war, and you guys hounding on facts not in existence, it looks like we are so blinded by politics we aren't willing to deal in reality.

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Wrong. Up to Ukraine. The most powerful leader in the world laid it in Ukraine's hands to join. So there's an admission process. So what? Biden should have said it's off the table. You know this but you want to remain obtuse to fit your narrative. You think Biden giving them the green light was just going to slide by Putin? Silly and childish.

And I'm not blaming Ukraine for starting the war. Only that joining NATO was a no-go previously. Biden green lit it as do-able, and Russia invaded two months later. Biden screwed this up, like he did everything else. Blood is on his hands because the outcome was predictable. All Putin needed was an excuse.

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Again, it's always been in Ukraine's hands to comply and the membership to assess whether they had and to determine if they wanted to let them in. We (US) in fact do NOT have unilateral authority to let anyone in. But you're right about one thing. Putin used it as cover to invade when it was something easily retracted as a statement, and had zero practical authority as it regards NATO.

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Yeah Biden the president of the most powerful nation in the world, who also dominates NATO in power and funding shouldn't be taken at his word. Putin had enough of a "valid" reason to justify his act.

We all know that the US would have acted similar if the positions were somehow reversed at our border.

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Yes, take him at his words. Not the words you are inserting in his mouth.

A lot of Americans do card and appreciate the service and sacrifices of veterans and their families.

Thank you for what you did for the country.

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Redbrickbear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Zelensky says that he is willing to resign as Ukraine’s leader in exchange for NATO membership.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) February 23, 2025

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worst dictator ever

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Why not just hold a freaking election instead?

If he wins it he can stay in office and advocate for membership

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He did and he already won...

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Hitler came to power legally as well. But next he used extraordinary measures to remain in power and become a dictator. I'm not saying Zelensky is another Hitler, there only was one, but the path to dictatorship has a few markers and Zelensky has his version. Robespierre, Napoleon III, Hitler, and others started out as legitimate political figures before they got drunk with power.

Zelensky has overstayed his welcome.