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As I predicted it is just as likely Trump will get butt hurt and drag us into a direct conflict with Moscow instead of letting them grind down their population against Ukraine.

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Admittedly I've hardly been Nostradamus on any of this . . . and have been flat wrong trying to read Trump's mind on Russia/Ukraine.

But here's my latest. I think Trump now knows he will not get a deal. More and more chatter of Putin agreeing to nothing. Problem is, Trump's promise to do so was a primary campaign promise.

I think he's angling to say, "Hey, I did everything I possibly could, far more than Biden even tried to do. But the fact is, neither Russia nor Ukraine wants a deal. So we're just getting out. No more money to Ukraine."

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That is a bit different than saying he will end the war on day 1

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sombear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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As I predicted it is just as likely Trump will get butt hurt and drag us into a direct conflict with Moscow instead of letting them grind down their population against Ukraine.

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Admittedly I've hardly been Nostradamus on any of this . . . and have been flat wrong trying to read Trump's mind on Russia/Ukraine.

But here's my latest. I think Trump now knows he will not get a deal. More and more chatter of Putin agreeing to nothing. Problem is, Trump's promise to do so was a primary campaign promise.

I think he's angling to say, "Hey, I did everything I possibly could, far more than Biden even tried to do. But the fact is, neither Russia nor Ukraine wants a deal. So we're just getting out. No more money to Ukraine."

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That is a bit different than saying he will end the war on day 1

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Wait, you haven't seen his latest BS? 'We said 24 hours, but we didn't say when."

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sombear said:

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Someone… anyone … please try to explain what Trump is doing.

🚨 HOLY SHT… Trump just threatened Russia with “large scale” sanctions and tariffs until a ceasefire and peace deal is reached with Ukraine.

“To Russia and Ukraine, get to the table right now, before it is too late. Thank you!!!” pic.twitter.com/W1DyteFrOT

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) March 7, 2025

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he's manhandled Ukraine into coming to sign the trade deal. Now he's going to beat up on Russia just as bad as he's beat up on Ukraine, to get them to the table.

He's being even handed.

Makes perfect sense.

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Even handed? He stopped all support and intel, and it costs numerous civilian and soldier deaths and led to a disaster in Kursk.

And on the same day (today) he first threatened Russia, he later said Russia did what anyone would do and expected them to do it. In other words, he knowingly allowed Russia to bomb civilian targets and encircle Ukrainian troops in Kursk.

Why would Russia come to the table? We're tapping out and Europe doesn't have the fortitude or capacity. They've been intending to conquer the whole of Ukraine from the outset, and the door has been swung wide open.

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Assassin said:

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sombear said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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Someone… anyone … please try to explain what Trump is doing.

🚨 HOLY SHT… Trump just threatened Russia with “large scale” sanctions and tariffs until a ceasefire and peace deal is reached with Ukraine.

“To Russia and Ukraine, get to the table right now, before it is too late. Thank you!!!” pic.twitter.com/W1DyteFrOT

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) March 7, 2025

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he's manhandled Ukraine into coming to sign the trade deal. Now he's going to beat up on Russia just as bad as he's beat up on Ukraine, to get them to the table.

He's being even handed.

Makes perfect sense.

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Even handed? He stopped all support and intel, and it costs numerous civilian and soldier deaths and led to a disaster in Kursk.

And on the same day (today) he first threatened Russia, he later said Russia did what anyone would do and expected them to do it. In other words, he knowingly allowed Russia to bomb civilian targets and encircle Ukrainian troops in Kursk.

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Why do you think Zelensky did all that?

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Did all what?

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Caused all that to happen? Get all those Ukrainians and Russian young men killed?

Dude, stop trying to blame Trump for Zelensky's screwups

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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Someone… anyone … please try to explain what Trump is doing.

🚨 HOLY SHT… Trump just threatened Russia with “large scale” sanctions and tariffs until a ceasefire and peace deal is reached with Ukraine.

“To Russia and Ukraine, get to the table right now, before it is too late. Thank you!!!” pic.twitter.com/W1DyteFrOT

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) March 7, 2025

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he's manhandled Ukraine into coming to sign the trade deal. Now he's going to beat up on Russia just as bad as he's beat up on Ukraine, to get them to the table.

He's being even handed.

Makes perfect sense.

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Even handed? He stopped all support and intel, and it costs numerous civilian and soldier deaths and led to a disaster in Kursk.

And on the same day (today) he first threatened Russia, he later said Russia did what anyone would do and expected them to do it. In other words, he knowingly allowed Russia to bomb civilian targets and encircle Ukrainian troops in Kursk.

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Whiterock of all people should know a former KGB agent knows how to exploit someone with a need for ego and validation in the midst of discontent with high tendencies toward emotional instability.

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sombear said:

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Assassin said:

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sombear said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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Someone… anyone … please try to explain what Trump is doing.

🚨 HOLY SHT… Trump just threatened Russia with “large scale” sanctions and tariffs until a ceasefire and peace deal is reached with Ukraine.

“To Russia and Ukraine, get to the table right now, before it is too late. Thank you!!!” pic.twitter.com/W1DyteFrOT

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) March 7, 2025

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he's manhandled Ukraine into coming to sign the trade deal. Now he's going to beat up on Russia just as bad as he's beat up on Ukraine, to get them to the table.

He's being even handed.

Makes perfect sense.

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Even handed? He stopped all support and intel, and it costs numerous civilian and soldier deaths and led to a disaster in Kursk.

And on the same day (today) he first threatened Russia, he later said Russia did what anyone would do and expected them to do it. In other words, he knowingly allowed Russia to bomb civilian targets and encircle Ukrainian troops in Kursk.

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Why do you think Zelensky did all that?

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Did all what?

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Caused all that to happen? Get all those Ukrainians and Russian young men killed?

Dude, stop trying to blame Trump for Zelensky's screwups

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Wow…

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sombear said:

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Assassin said:

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sombear said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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Someone… anyone … please try to explain what Trump is doing.

🚨 HOLY SHT… Trump just threatened Russia with “large scale” sanctions and tariffs until a ceasefire and peace deal is reached with Ukraine.

“To Russia and Ukraine, get to the table right now, before it is too late. Thank you!!!” pic.twitter.com/W1DyteFrOT

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) March 7, 2025

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he's manhandled Ukraine into coming to sign the trade deal. Now he's going to beat up on Russia just as bad as he's beat up on Ukraine, to get them to the table.

He's being even handed.

Makes perfect sense.

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Even handed? He stopped all support and intel, and it costs numerous civilian and soldier deaths and led to a disaster in Kursk.

And on the same day (today) he first threatened Russia, he later said Russia did what anyone would do and expected them to do it. In other words, he knowingly allowed Russia to bomb civilian targets and encircle Ukrainian troops in Kursk.

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Why do you think Zelensky did all that?

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Did all what?

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Caused all that to happen? Get all those Ukrainians and Russian young men killed?

Dude, stop trying to blame Trump for Zelensky's screwups

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I'm blaming Trump for pulling support and intel, which directly caused civilian and solider deaths and potential loss of Kursk. Trump even forced a private American satellite company to cut off access. It's actually sick.

What exactly are Zelensky's screwups? Please list them.

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Assassin said:

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sombear said:

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Assassin said:

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sombear said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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Someone… anyone … please try to explain what Trump is doing.

🚨 HOLY SHT… Trump just threatened Russia with “large scale” sanctions and tariffs until a ceasefire and peace deal is reached with Ukraine.

“To Russia and Ukraine, get to the table right now, before it is too late. Thank you!!!” pic.twitter.com/W1DyteFrOT

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) March 7, 2025

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he's manhandled Ukraine into coming to sign the trade deal. Now he's going to beat up on Russia just as bad as he's beat up on Ukraine, to get them to the table.

He's being even handed.

Makes perfect sense.

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Even handed? He stopped all support and intel, and it costs numerous civilian and soldier deaths and led to a disaster in Kursk.

And on the same day (today) he first threatened Russia, he later said Russia did what anyone would do and expected them to do it. In other words, he knowingly allowed Russia to bomb civilian targets and encircle Ukrainian troops in Kursk.

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Why do you think Zelensky did all that?

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Did all what?

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Caused all that to happen? Get all those Ukrainians and Russian young men killed?

Dude, stop trying to blame Trump for Zelensky's screwups

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I'm blaming Trump for pulling support and intel, which directly caused civilian and solider deaths and potential loss of Kursk. Trump even forced a private American satellite company to cut off access. It's actually sick.

What exactly are Zelensky's screwups? Please list them.

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Som, you are a lost cause because your so called sources are the Misinformation Stream Media, aka MSM's . No matter what true information is shown to you here, because you listen to those channels, you will refute them with the lies they spread. You wonder why 95% of the folks here are calling you out. That is why.

Watch Fox to get you some unbiased news. They actually have both Democrats and Republicans on their shows. And those Dems are currently apologizing for their party's stances. And rightly so.

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sombear said:

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Assassin said:

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sombear said:

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Assassin said:

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sombear said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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Someone… anyone … please try to explain what Trump is doing.

🚨 HOLY SHT… Trump just threatened Russia with “large scale” sanctions and tariffs until a ceasefire and peace deal is reached with Ukraine.

“To Russia and Ukraine, get to the table right now, before it is too late. Thank you!!!” pic.twitter.com/W1DyteFrOT

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) March 7, 2025

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he's manhandled Ukraine into coming to sign the trade deal. Now he's going to beat up on Russia just as bad as he's beat up on Ukraine, to get them to the table.

He's being even handed.

Makes perfect sense.

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Even handed? He stopped all support and intel, and it costs numerous civilian and soldier deaths and led to a disaster in Kursk.

And on the same day (today) he first threatened Russia, he later said Russia did what anyone would do and expected them to do it. In other words, he knowingly allowed Russia to bomb civilian targets and encircle Ukrainian troops in Kursk.

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Why do you think Zelensky did all that?

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Did all what?

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Caused all that to happen? Get all those Ukrainians and Russian young men killed?

Dude, stop trying to blame Trump for Zelensky's screwups

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I'm blaming Trump for pulling support and intel, which directly caused civilian and solider deaths and potential loss of Kursk. Trump even forced a private American satellite company to cut off access. It's actually sick.

What exactly are Zelensky's screwups? Please list them.

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Som, you are a lost cause because your so called sources are the Misinformation Stream Media, aka MSM's . No matter what true information is shown to you here, because you listen to those channels, you will refute them with the lies they spread. You wonder why 95% of the folks here are calling you out. That is why.

Watch Fox to get you some unbiased news. They actually have both Democrats and Republicans on their shows. And those Dems are currently apologizing for their party's stances. And rightly so.

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What sources have I cited, and what have I said that's not true today?

I've mostly used Trump's own quotes about Russia and Ukraine.

Since you won't answer questions or even engage in specifics, I'll try some yes/no.

Did Trump stop all support and intel, including making a private satellite company cut-off Ukraine?

Did Trump specifically state that he did these things to send a message to Ukraine?

Has Putin bombed major civilian targets and energy infrastructure since we stopped finding and intel?

Did Trump say today that he's mad at Russia for escalating and then threaten to hit Russia with severe sanctions?

Did Trump later today seemingly reverse course and say he expected Russia to do what it is doing (escalate, including civilian targets) then also say he still think Russia wants a deal?

[Hint: The answer to all of these is yes.]

BTW people call me out because I'm one of the few who is willing to criticize (but also compliment) Trump.

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Assassin said:

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sombear said:

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Assassin said:

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sombear said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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Someone… anyone … please try to explain what Trump is doing.

🚨 HOLY SHT… Trump just threatened Russia with “large scale” sanctions and tariffs until a ceasefire and peace deal is reached with Ukraine.

“To Russia and Ukraine, get to the table right now, before it is too late. Thank you!!!” pic.twitter.com/W1DyteFrOT

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) March 7, 2025

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he's manhandled Ukraine into coming to sign the trade deal. Now he's going to beat up on Russia just as bad as he's beat up on Ukraine, to get them to the table.

He's being even handed.

Makes perfect sense.

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Even handed? He stopped all support and intel, and it costs numerous civilian and soldier deaths and led to a disaster in Kursk.

And on the same day (today) he first threatened Russia, he later said Russia did what anyone would do and expected them to do it. In other words, he knowingly allowed Russia to bomb civilian targets and encircle Ukrainian troops in Kursk.

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Why do you think Zelensky did all that?

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Did all what?

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Caused all that to happen? Get all those Ukrainians and Russian young men killed?

Dude, stop trying to blame Trump for Zelensky's screwups

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I'm blaming Trump for pulling support and intel, which directly caused civilian and solider deaths and potential loss of Kursk. Trump even forced a private American satellite company to cut off access. It's actually sick.

What exactly are Zelensky's screwups? Please list them.

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The loss of Kursk is and always has been inevitable.

Putin has announced his demands for a ceasefire. As predicted, they include withdrawal of Ukrainian forces from the contested oblasts in their entirety and a guarantee not to join NATO. If the Ukrainians agree, they can avoid losing the rest of their territory (which they could also have done in 2022 without sacrificing hundreds of thousands of troops).

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sombear said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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Someone… anyone … please try to explain what Trump is doing.

🚨 HOLY SHT… Trump just threatened Russia with “large scale” sanctions and tariffs until a ceasefire and peace deal is reached with Ukraine.

“To Russia and Ukraine, get to the table right now, before it is too late. Thank you!!!” pic.twitter.com/W1DyteFrOT

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) March 7, 2025

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he's manhandled Ukraine into coming to sign the trade deal. Now he's going to beat up on Russia just as bad as he's beat up on Ukraine, to get them to the table.

He's being even handed.

Makes perfect sense.

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Even handed? He stopped all support and intel, and it costs numerous civilian and soldier deaths and led to a disaster in Kursk.

And on the same day (today) he first threatened Russia, he later said Russia did what anyone would do and expected them to do it. In other words, he knowingly allowed Russia to bomb civilian targets and encircle Ukrainian troops in Kursk.

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Whiterock of all people should know a former KGB agent knows how to exploit someone with a need for ego and validation in the midst of discontent with high tendencies toward emotional instability.

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Just because someone was in the KGB or CIA does not mean they are some kind of genius (Putin is entirely average in intelligence…and it speaks more to Russia's political disfunction than his intelligence that he is in charge)

And Trump has proven to be remarkably adept a political games and interpersonal skills

Trump has taken on the entire establishment of both political parties, corporate America, the entire Media & Academic systems and come out politically on top when no one else thought he could do it

Your whole "Putin is playing Trump by stroking his ego" is such an old and lame take it belongs to a reddit post from 2016

You need new material

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sombear said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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Someone… anyone … please try to explain what Trump is doing.

🚨 HOLY SHT… Trump just threatened Russia with “large scale” sanctions and tariffs until a ceasefire and peace deal is reached with Ukraine.

“To Russia and Ukraine, get to the table right now, before it is too late. Thank you!!!” pic.twitter.com/W1DyteFrOT

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) March 7, 2025

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he's manhandled Ukraine into coming to sign the trade deal. Now he's going to beat up on Russia just as bad as he's beat up on Ukraine, to get them to the table.

He's being even handed.

Makes perfect sense.

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Even handed? He stopped all support and intel, and it costs numerous civilian and soldier deaths and led to a disaster in Kursk.

And on the same day (today) he first threatened Russia, he later said Russia did what anyone would do and expected them to do it. In other words, he knowingly allowed Russia to bomb civilian targets and encircle Ukrainian troops in Kursk.

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Like I said, he's throwing elbows wherever they need to be thrown to get the parties to agree to his demands.

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What exactly is the elbow he landed on Putin's jaw? His statement yesterday that he seemed to retract later?

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sombear said:

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Assassin said:

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sombear said:

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Assassin said:

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sombear said:

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Assassin said:

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sombear said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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Someone… anyone … please try to explain what Trump is doing.

🚨 HOLY SHT… Trump just threatened Russia with “large scale” sanctions and tariffs until a ceasefire and peace deal is reached with Ukraine.

“To Russia and Ukraine, get to the table right now, before it is too late. Thank you!!!” pic.twitter.com/W1DyteFrOT

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) March 7, 2025

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he's manhandled Ukraine into coming to sign the trade deal. Now he's going to beat up on Russia just as bad as he's beat up on Ukraine, to get them to the table.

He's being even handed.

Makes perfect sense.

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Even handed? He stopped all support and intel, and it costs numerous civilian and soldier deaths and led to a disaster in Kursk.

And on the same day (today) he first threatened Russia, he later said Russia did what anyone would do and expected them to do it. In other words, he knowingly allowed Russia to bomb civilian targets and encircle Ukrainian troops in Kursk.

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Why do you think Zelensky did all that?

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Did all what?

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Caused all that to happen? Get all those Ukrainians and Russian young men killed?

Dude, stop trying to blame Trump for Zelensky's screwups

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I'm blaming Trump for pulling support and intel, which directly caused civilian and solider deaths and potential loss of Kursk. Trump even forced a private American satellite company to cut off access. It's actually sick.

What exactly are Zelensky's screwups? Please list them.

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Som, you are a lost cause because your so called sources are the Misinformation Stream Media, aka MSM's . No matter what true information is shown to you here, because you listen to those channels, you will refute them with the lies they spread. You wonder why 95% of the folks here are calling you out. That is why.

Watch Fox to get you some unbiased news. They actually have both Democrats and Republicans on their shows. And those Dems are currently apologizing for their party's stances. And rightly so.

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What sources have I cited, and what have I said that's not true today?

I've mostly used Trump's own quotes about Russia and Ukraine.

Since you won't answer questions or even engage in specifics, I'll try some yes/no.

Did Trump stop all support and intel, including making a private satellite company cut-off Ukraine?

Did Trump specifically state that he did these things to send a message to Ukraine?

Has Putin bombed major civilian targets and energy infrastructure since we stopped finding and intel?

Did Trump say today that he's mad at Russia for escalating and then threaten to hit Russia with severe sanctions?

Did Trump later today seemingly reverse course and say he expected Russia to do what it is doing (escalate, including civilian targets) then also say he still think Russia wants a deal?

[Hint: The answer to all of these is yes.]

BTW people call me out because I'm one of the few who is willing to criticize (but also compliment) Trump.

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Actually, what you are saying is that you are not seeing between the lines. I can just about guarantee you that this is going nearly exactly the way Trump wanted it to once Zelensky renigged AGAIN on signing the mineral rights deal that DID NOT include US security. Trump would never sign something like that. They had the deal worked out and then Zelensky re-opened negotiations. Zelensky did this to his own people

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If it was going exactly the way Trump wanted, why did he say yesterday he was pissed at Putin and threaten severe sanctions? And you are saying he wanted Putin to escalate in civilian targets and civilian energy infrastructure?

As Rubio admitted, the parties never had agreed to all the key terms of the mineral deal. Only the mineral portion itself. Trump and Zelensky gambled that they could close the gap in person. They didn't. As I've said from the second it happened, Zelensky made a huge mistake that day, but he never reneged.

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sombear said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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whiterock said:

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sombear said:

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Someone… anyone … please try to explain what Trump is doing.

🚨 HOLY SHT… Trump just threatened Russia with “large scale” sanctions and tariffs until a ceasefire and peace deal is reached with Ukraine.

“To Russia and Ukraine, get to the table right now, before it is too late. Thank you!!!” pic.twitter.com/W1DyteFrOT

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) March 7, 2025

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he's manhandled Ukraine into coming to sign the trade deal. Now he's going to beat up on Russia just as bad as he's beat up on Ukraine, to get them to the table.

He's being even handed.

Makes perfect sense.

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Even handed? He stopped all support and intel, and it costs numerous civilian and soldier deaths and led to a disaster in Kursk.

And on the same day (today) he first threatened Russia, he later said Russia did what anyone would do and expected them to do it. In other words, he knowingly allowed Russia to bomb civilian targets and encircle Ukrainian troops in Kursk.

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Like I said, he's throwing elbows wherever they need to be thrown to get the parties to agree to his demands.

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What exactly is the elbow he landed on Putin's jaw? His statement yesterday that he seemed to retract later?

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he made significant threats. then he made an observation of fact which really didn't undercut the threats at all.

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So total withdraw of $, weapons, ammo, and intel, including forcing a private satellite company to cut off access, on the one hand, vs. a 30 second sanction threat followed by statement that Russia still wants peace and did what we expected, on the other hand. Got it. Putin must be near heart attack level right now . . . .