Sorry, brother. You are just wrong, wrong, wrong on this one.chriscbear said:
Paxton impeachment is unfair and political. The charges and accusations are prior to 2022. He was reelected. He beat someone named Bush and Dems hate his guts because is a supporter of Trump. God bless Ken Paxton.
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What part of "Municipal Governing Body" do you not get?whiterock said:
Sec 665.081
No Removal for Acts Committed Before Election to Office
(a)An officer in this state may not be removed from office for an act the officer may have committed before the officer's election to office.
(b) The prohibition against the removal from office for an act the officer commits before the officer's election is covered by:
(1)Section 21.002 (References to Municipal Governing Body and to Members of Municipal Governing Body), Local Government Code, for a mayor or alderman of a general law municipality; or
(2)Chapter 87 (Removal of County Officers From Office; Filling of Vacancies), Local Government Code, for a county or precinct officer.
So. What, exactly, has Paxton done since November 2022 that warrants impeachment?
Son, if there really is a Hell, Ken Paxton has been on the express train there for a long, long time--long before he was elected TX A.G.chriscbear said:
Paxton impeachment is unfair and political. The charges and accusations are prior to 2022. He was reelected. He beat someone named Bush and Dems hate his guts because is a supporter of Trump. God bless Ken Paxton.
As for God blessing ole Ken, how many of these Commandments has Paxton broken?
- Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
- Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
- Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
- Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
- Honor thy father and thy mother.
- Thou shalt not kill.
- Thou shalt not commit adultery.
- Thou shalt not steal.
- Thou shall not bear false witness.
- Thou shall not covet.
Just, shut up. No one needs you to lecture us on commandments that you don't believe in.J.B.Katz said:Son, if there really is a Hell, Ken Paxton has been on the express train there for a long, long time--long before he was elected TX A.G.chriscbear said:
Paxton impeachment is unfair and political. The charges and accusations are prior to 2022. He was reelected. He beat someone named Bush and Dems hate his guts because is a supporter of Trump. God bless Ken Paxton.
As for God blessing ole Ken, how many of these Commandments has Paxton broken?
- Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
- Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
- Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
- Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
- Honor thy father and thy mother.
- Thou shalt not kill.
- Thou shalt not commit adultery.
- Thou shalt not steal.
- Thou shall not bear false witness.
- Thou shall not covet.
All five of the representatives from Collin County, where Ken Paxton and his wife have lived for decades, voted in favor of his impeachment.
— Texas Tribune (@TexasTribune) May 27, 2023
House Speaker Dade Phelan and another two-thirds of the House’s GOP majority also voted to impeach Paxton.https://t.co/DQU6GErgpS
Back off. I don't need you to state my beliefs for me.OsoCoreyell said:Just, shut up. No one needs you to lecture us on commandments that you don't believe in.J.B.Katz said:Son, if there really is a Hell, Ken Paxton has been on the express train there for a long, long time--long before he was elected TX A.G.chriscbear said:
Paxton impeachment is unfair and political. The charges and accusations are prior to 2022. He was reelected. He beat someone named Bush and Dems hate his guts because is a supporter of Trump. God bless Ken Paxton.
As for God blessing ole Ken, how many of these Commandments has Paxton broken?
- Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
- Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
- Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
- Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
- Honor thy father and thy mother.
- Thou shalt not kill.
- Thou shalt not commit adultery.
- Thou shalt not steal.
- Thou shall not bear false witness.
- Thou shall not covet.
For the record, I believe the Judeochristian system of ethics, embodied by the 10 commandments, which were amended by Christ with a commandment to love your neighbor as yourself and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you," are an excellent system of ethics.
My problem with Christianity isn't God or the system of ethics laid out in the Bible; it's Christians who claim his authority and superiority without also striving to adhere to his system of ethics.
On a low level, I've found that church athletic leagues are among the meanest and dirtiest.
On a high level, evangelicals and fundamentalist Catholics who supported a corrupt, mean, snarky, dishonest, dishonorable, born-on-third-base-and-thinks-he-hit-a-home-run shyster like Donald Trump have sacrificed any credibility in terms of moral authority. Ken Paxton is a piker compared to Donald Trump, and it took 8 long years for him to finally wear out his welcome with an overly tolerant Republican base that was already in bed with one of the least Christ-like men ever to walk the planet. What's disappointing is that it took the supposed good guys so long to demand any accountability from Paxton. And it still may not stick.
Keep going to church. Maybe eventually some of the Bible evangelicals huff and puff about when they only read half of it and make sure its behavioral prohibitions only apply to women and people you don't consider worthy to be above the law, like Trump and Paxton, will soak in.
P.S. The WaPo headline- "bribery, unfitness for office and abuse of the public trust." What's not to love about Paxton's stellar job performance?
Texas House impeaches GOP Attorney General Ken Paxton over allegations of bribery, unfitness for office and abuse of public trust
The rebuke of Paxton at least temporarily forces him from office pending a state Senate trial that could lead to his permanent ouster. The move was engineered by Paxton's fellow Republicans, who control all three branches of state government. Only two officials in Texas's nearly 200-year history have been impeached, both for misuse of public funds: a governor in 1917 and a state district judge in 1975.
Texas House impeaches GOP Attorney General Ken Paxton over allegations of bribery, unfitness for office and abuse of public trust
The rebuke of Paxton at least temporarily forces him from office pending a state Senate trial that could lead to his permanent ouster. The move was engineered by Paxton's fellow Republicans, who control all three branches of state government. Only two officials in Texas's nearly 200-year history have been impeached, both for misuse of public funds: a governor in 1917 and a state district judge in 1975.
I have never voted for a Democrat. About as conservative as they come. I am also a huge Baylor fan and love having Baylor grads in powerful positions. But I want the highest elected officials to be people of character who obey the law. Especially when they are the chief law enforcement officer of the state. It is hard for me to understand how anyone can read in detail about Paxton's actions and think he should remain in office. Sometimes the guys on "your side" are turds. It is wise to flush them.
J.B.Katz said:Back off. I don't need you to state my beliefs for me.OsoCoreyell said:Just, shut up. No one needs you to lecture us on commandments that you don't believe in.J.B.Katz said:Son, if there really is a Hell, Ken Paxton has been on the express train there for a long, long time--long before he was elected TX A.G.chriscbear said:
Paxton impeachment is unfair and political. The charges and accusations are prior to 2022. He was reelected. He beat someone named Bush and Dems hate his guts because is a supporter of Trump. God bless Ken Paxton.
As for God blessing ole Ken, how many of these Commandments has Paxton broken?
- Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
- Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
- Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
- Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
- Honor thy father and thy mother.
- Thou shalt not kill.
- Thou shalt not commit adultery.
- Thou shalt not steal.
- Thou shall not bear false witness.
- Thou shall not covet.
For the record, I believe the Judeochristian system of ethics, embodied by the 10 commandments, which were amended by Christ with a commandment to love your neighbor as yourself and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you," are an excellent system of ethics.
My problem with Christianity isn't God or the system of ethics laid out in the Bible; it's Christians who claim his authority and superiority without also striving to adhere to his system of ethics.
On a low level, I've found that church athletic leagues are among the meanest and dirtiest.
On a high level, evangelicals and fundamentalist Catholics who supported a corrupt, mean, snarky, dishonest, dishonorable, born-on-third-base-and-thinks-he-hit-a-home-run shyster like Donald Trump have sacrificed any credibility in terms of moral authority. Ken Paxton is a piker compared to Donald Trump, and it took 8 long years for him to finally wear out his welcome with an overly tolerant Republican base that was already in bed with one of the least Christ-like men ever to walk the planet. What's disappointing is that it took the supposed good guys so long to demand any accountability from Paxton. And it still may not stick.
Keep going to church. Maybe eventually some of the Bible evangelicals huff and puff about when they only read half of it and make sure its behavioral prohibitions only apply to women and people you don't consider worthy to be above the law, like Trump and Paxton, will soak in.
Texans & Evangelicals just impeached Paxton by 121 to 23
What is your complaint?
Osodecentx said:J.B.Katz said:Back off. I don't need you to state my beliefs for me.OsoCoreyell said:Just, shut up. No one needs you to lecture us on commandments that you don't believe in.J.B.Katz said:Son, if there really is a Hell, Ken Paxton has been on the express train there for a long, long time--long before he was elected TX A.G.chriscbear said:
Paxton impeachment is unfair and political. The charges and accusations are prior to 2022. He was reelected. He beat someone named Bush and Dems hate his guts because is a supporter of Trump. God bless Ken Paxton.
As for God blessing ole Ken, how many of these Commandments has Paxton broken?
- Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
- Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
- Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
- Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
- Honor thy father and thy mother.
- Thou shalt not kill.
- Thou shalt not commit adultery.
- Thou shalt not steal.
- Thou shall not bear false witness.
- Thou shall not covet.
For the record, I believe the Judeochristian system of ethics, embodied by the 10 commandments, which were amended by Christ with a commandment to love your neighbor as yourself and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you," are an excellent system of ethics.
My problem with Christianity isn't God or the system of ethics laid out in the Bible; it's Christians who claim his authority and superiority without also striving to adhere to his system of ethics.
On a low level, I've found that church athletic leagues are among the meanest and dirtiest.
On a high level, evangelicals and fundamentalist Catholics who supported a corrupt, mean, snarky, dishonest, dishonorable, born-on-third-base-and-thinks-he-hit-a-home-run shyster like Donald Trump have sacrificed any credibility in terms of moral authority. Ken Paxton is a piker compared to Donald Trump, and it took 8 long years for him to finally wear out his welcome with an overly tolerant Republican base that was already in bed with one of the least Christ-like men ever to walk the planet. What's disappointing is that it took the supposed good guys so long to demand any accountability from Paxton. And it still may not stick.
Keep going to church. Maybe eventually some of the Bible evangelicals huff and puff about when they only read half of it and make sure its behavioral prohibitions only apply to women and people you don't consider worthy to be above the law, like Trump and Paxton, will soak in.
Texans & Evangelicals just impeached Paxton by 121 to 23
What is your complaint?
Did you really expect Jinxycat to pass up the opportunity to be a finger-wagging self-righteous Karen?
whitetrash said:Osodecentx said:J.B.Katz said:Back off. I don't need you to state my beliefs for me.OsoCoreyell said:Just, shut up. No one needs you to lecture us on commandments that you don't believe in.J.B.Katz said:Son, if there really is a Hell, Ken Paxton has been on the express train there for a long, long time--long before he was elected TX A.G.chriscbear said:
Paxton impeachment is unfair and political. The charges and accusations are prior to 2022. He was reelected. He beat someone named Bush and Dems hate his guts because is a supporter of Trump. God bless Ken Paxton.
As for God blessing ole Ken, how many of these Commandments has Paxton broken?
- Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
- Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
- Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
- Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
- Honor thy father and thy mother.
- Thou shalt not kill.
- Thou shalt not commit adultery.
- Thou shalt not steal.
- Thou shall not bear false witness.
- Thou shall not covet.
For the record, I believe the Judeochristian system of ethics, embodied by the 10 commandments, which were amended by Christ with a commandment to love your neighbor as yourself and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you," are an excellent system of ethics.
My problem with Christianity isn't God or the system of ethics laid out in the Bible; it's Christians who claim his authority and superiority without also striving to adhere to his system of ethics.
On a low level, I've found that church athletic leagues are among the meanest and dirtiest.
On a high level, evangelicals and fundamentalist Catholics who supported a corrupt, mean, snarky, dishonest, dishonorable, born-on-third-base-and-thinks-he-hit-a-home-run shyster like Donald Trump have sacrificed any credibility in terms of moral authority. Ken Paxton is a piker compared to Donald Trump, and it took 8 long years for him to finally wear out his welcome with an overly tolerant Republican base that was already in bed with one of the least Christ-like men ever to walk the planet. What's disappointing is that it took the supposed good guys so long to demand any accountability from Paxton. And it still may not stick.
Keep going to church. Maybe eventually some of the Bible evangelicals huff and puff about when they only read half of it and make sure its behavioral prohibitions only apply to women and people you don't consider worthy to be above the law, like Trump and Paxton, will soak in.
Texans & Evangelicals just impeached Paxton by 121 to 23
What is your complaint?
Did you really expect Jinxycat to pass up the opportunity to be a finger-wagging self-righteous Karen?
No
UPDATE: First Assistant Attorney General Brent Webster will serve as attorney general in Paxton's stead, according to an internal memo sent to staff and obtained by @dallasnews.@GovAbbott can also appoint an interim AG but he has not done so.https://t.co/yerRxTa632 #txlege
— Lauren McGaughy 🌟 (@lmcgaughy) May 27, 2023
Trump now going after Abbott over Paxton impeachment #txlege pic.twitter.com/Il67fUceUv
— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) May 28, 2023
The WaPo has not given any conservative a fair report since before I was born.
Pretty silly to pretend anything else.
Pretty silly to pretend anything else.
Paxton is a loser and poor representation of Baylor and Texas. Couldn't be happier to see him finally gone.
0% chance Abbott bucks Trump. If Paxton's bacon is saveable Abbott will do so.
Here's the entirety of code 665: https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/GV/htm/GV.665.htm#DOsoCoreyell said:What part of "Municipal Governing Body" do you not get?whiterock said:
Sec 665.081
No Removal for Acts Committed Before Election to Office
(a)An officer in this state may not be removed from office for an act the officer may have committed before the officer's election to office.
(b) The prohibition against the removal from office for an act the officer commits before the officer's election is covered by:
(1)Section 21.002 (References to Municipal Governing Body and to Members of Municipal Governing Body), Local Government Code, for a mayor or alderman of a general law municipality; or
(2)Chapter 87 (Removal of County Officers From Office; Filling of Vacancies), Local Government Code, for a county or precinct officer.
So. What, exactly, has Paxton done since November 2022 that warrants impeachment?
It is the part of code that deals with state officers.
So it is your legal opinion that Sec. 665.081 (b) 1&2 (sec. 665 being the part of code addressing state officials) nullifies the plain wording of the title of the section as well as Sec. 665/081 (a) ?
Are you not aware that municipalities are covered under a completely separate code: "Local Government Code"?
smart move for Trump. He's well-ahead in Texas and Paxton is very popular with the base.boognish_bear said:Trump now going after Abbott over Paxton impeachment #txlege pic.twitter.com/Il67fUceUv
— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) May 28, 2023
the voters knew all this stuff, and voted for him anyway....deciding they liked what he was doing in office enough to keep him despite the allegations. Then, six months later, out of the blue......boom....establishments decide he has to go anyway. Bad optics. Bad politics. Will divide the base, who will see this (rightly or wrongly) as death by accusation, another example of dual standard of justice, another example of uniparty attacking the most effective conservative in office, etc.....OsoCoreyell said:What about the voters?whiterock said:OsoCoreyell said:He isn't being prosecuted because of politics. He is being prosecuted because he had a campaign donor give a job to his mistress, then, when that donor was being investigated by members of the Texas AG's office, he intervened in the most ridiculous way to derail the prosecution (probably because the donor would reveal the bit about the mistress). When the internal staff of the AG's office (people Ken had personally hired because of their conservative bona fides) objected and asked Ken to cut it out, he had them fired and then told the world they were liars (a story he still sticks to). They gave him every chance to back away from this, but he didn't (probably because he was worried about the donor revealing his affair). They only spoke out after being forced out and libeled by Ken.chriscbear said:
But Oso let the voters decide. No politician is perfect. We can't throw out all semi bad judgement politicians. This is crazy. Ken has done a great job for Texas. This is BS. Weve gone impeachment crazy and we prosecute people because of politics.
The only person that brought this on Ken is Ken. I type this with pain in my heart, because no one wanted Ken to succeed at being AG more than me. No one.
But the voters……
Yeah, yeah, yeah......appearance of impropriety, etc.....most of us here were all raised in mostly the same time and same way. But we aren't in Kansas anymore. We can see the lawfare coming at us from the left. The standard now for most Republicans is that our guys should not be removed until they are convicted of something (because that is clearly the standard for the other side).
Really, really dumb move, after having left so many other big issues unaddressed. If Abbott is smart, he will lash Phelan down for one special session after another, one issue, one at a time. M'fker fed Paxton to the Dem caucus....
Did not gain a single vote anywhere for this. Just divided up our side.
The reality is, a lot of voters just don't pay attention to down ballot candidates and will likely vote for the Republican or Democrat regardless. When I was a kid, a guy ran for Railroad Commissioner who happened to have the same last name as a beloved long term senator. State leaders were saying as loudly as they could this guy was a sham and possible crook. He was elected, nevertheless, and I believe fled the country before his term of office ran out...whiterock said:the voters knew all this stuff, and voted for him anyway....deciding they liked what he was doing in office enough to keep him despite the allegations. Then, six months later, out of the blue......boom....establishments decide he has to go anyway. Bad optics. Bad politics. Will divide the base, who will see this (rightly or wrongly) as death by accusation, another example of dual standard of justice, another example of uniparty attacking the most effective conservative in office, etc.....OsoCoreyell said:What about the voters?whiterock said:OsoCoreyell said:He isn't being prosecuted because of politics. He is being prosecuted because he had a campaign donor give a job to his mistress, then, when that donor was being investigated by members of the Texas AG's office, he intervened in the most ridiculous way to derail the prosecution (probably because the donor would reveal the bit about the mistress). When the internal staff of the AG's office (people Ken had personally hired because of their conservative bona fides) objected and asked Ken to cut it out, he had them fired and then told the world they were liars (a story he still sticks to). They gave him every chance to back away from this, but he didn't (probably because he was worried about the donor revealing his affair). They only spoke out after being forced out and libeled by Ken.chriscbear said:
But Oso let the voters decide. No politician is perfect. We can't throw out all semi bad judgement politicians. This is crazy. Ken has done a great job for Texas. This is BS. Weve gone impeachment crazy and we prosecute people because of politics.
The only person that brought this on Ken is Ken. I type this with pain in my heart, because no one wanted Ken to succeed at being AG more than me. No one.
But the voters……
Yeah, yeah, yeah......appearance of impropriety, etc.....most of us here were all raised in mostly the same time and same way. But we aren't in Kansas anymore. We can see the lawfare coming at us from the left. The standard now for most Republicans is that our guys should not be removed until they are convicted of something (because that is clearly the standard for the other side).
Really, really dumb move, after having left so many other big issues unaddressed. If Abbott is smart, he will lash Phelan down for one special session after another, one issue, one at a time. M'fker fed Paxton to the Dem caucus....
Did not gain a single vote anywhere for this. Just divided up our side.
“No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love Him.” 1 Corinthians 2:9
Just guessing here, but assume that the law's intent was that a holder of high state office could be impeached solely on actions, etc. done while in office. As Paxton has served numerous terms, he would be accountable to things he has done in office in any of his consecutive terms. If he had been out of office for considerable time, it would be an interesting argument. Otherwise the law would create effectively incumbent immunity to any all crimes committed prior to reelection. Sounds like something Huey Long would have tried.whiterock said:Here's the entirety of code 665: https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/GV/htm/GV.665.htm#DOsoCoreyell said:What part of "Municipal Governing Body" do you not get?whiterock said:
Sec 665.081
No Removal for Acts Committed Before Election to Office
(a)An officer in this state may not be removed from office for an act the officer may have committed before the officer's election to office.
(b) The prohibition against the removal from office for an act the officer commits before the officer's election is covered by:
(1)Section 21.002 (References to Municipal Governing Body and to Members of Municipal Governing Body), Local Government Code, for a mayor or alderman of a general law municipality; or
(2)Chapter 87 (Removal of County Officers From Office; Filling of Vacancies), Local Government Code, for a county or precinct officer.
So. What, exactly, has Paxton done since November 2022 that warrants impeachment?
It is the part of code that deals with state officers.
So it is your legal opinion that Sec. 665.081 (b) 1&2 (sec. 665 being the part of code addressing state officials) nullifies the plain wording of the title of the section as well as Sec. 665/081 (a) ?
Are you not aware that municipalities are covered under a completely separate code: "Local Government Code"?
“No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love Him.” 1 Corinthians 2:9
TWD 1974 said:The reality is, a lot of voters just don't pay attention to down ballot candidates and will likely vote for the Republican or Democrat regardless. When I was a kid, a guy ran for Railroad Commissioner who happened to have the same last name as a beloved long term senator. State leaders were saying as loudly as they could this guy was a sham and possible crook. He was elected, nevertheless, and I believe fled the country before his term of office ran out...whiterock said:the voters knew all this stuff, and voted for him anyway....deciding they liked what he was doing in office enough to keep him despite the allegations. Then, six months later, out of the blue......boom....establishments decide he has to go anyway. Bad optics. Bad politics. Will divide the base, who will see this (rightly or wrongly) as death by accusation, another example of dual standard of justice, another example of uniparty attacking the most effective conservative in office, etc.....OsoCoreyell said:What about the voters?whiterock said:OsoCoreyell said:He isn't being prosecuted because of politics. He is being prosecuted because he had a campaign donor give a job to his mistress, then, when that donor was being investigated by members of the Texas AG's office, he intervened in the most ridiculous way to derail the prosecution (probably because the donor would reveal the bit about the mistress). When the internal staff of the AG's office (people Ken had personally hired because of their conservative bona fides) objected and asked Ken to cut it out, he had them fired and then told the world they were liars (a story he still sticks to). They gave him every chance to back away from this, but he didn't (probably because he was worried about the donor revealing his affair). They only spoke out after being forced out and libeled by Ken.chriscbear said:
But Oso let the voters decide. No politician is perfect. We can't throw out all semi bad judgement politicians. This is crazy. Ken has done a great job for Texas. This is BS. Weve gone impeachment crazy and we prosecute people because of politics.
The only person that brought this on Ken is Ken. I type this with pain in my heart, because no one wanted Ken to succeed at being AG more than me. No one.
But the voters……
Yeah, yeah, yeah......appearance of impropriety, etc.....most of us here were all raised in mostly the same time and same way. But we aren't in Kansas anymore. We can see the lawfare coming at us from the left. The standard now for most Republicans is that our guys should not be removed until they are convicted of something (because that is clearly the standard for the other side).
Really, really dumb move, after having left so many other big issues unaddressed. If Abbott is smart, he will lash Phelan down for one special session after another, one issue, one at a time. M'fker fed Paxton to the Dem caucus....
Did not gain a single vote anywhere for this. Just divided up our side.
Don Yarbrough. Elected chief justice of the Texas Supreme Court in 1976. Resigned and fled the country. Later convicted of fraud.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Yarbrough?wprov=sfti1
Footnote: he defeated Charles Barrow in the democratic primary (no republican ran in 1976). Barrow later was dean of Baylor law school.
Of course he supports someone who was unethical and likely broke the law. Trump's only requirement is loyalty. #politicalclownworldwhiterock said:smart move for Trump. He's well-ahead in Texas and Paxton is very popular with the base.boognish_bear said:Trump now going after Abbott over Paxton impeachment #txlege pic.twitter.com/Il67fUceUv
— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) May 28, 2023
ATL Bear said:Of course he supports someone who was unethical and likely broke the law. Trump's only requirement is loyalty. #politicalclownworldwhiterock said:smart move for Trump. He's well-ahead in Texas and Paxton is very popular with the base.boognish_bear said:Trump now going after Abbott over Paxton impeachment #txlege pic.twitter.com/Il67fUceUv
— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) May 28, 2023
Not sure what's going on in Texas. It's getting where you can't have a supporter hire your mistress to have her closer
Johnson also described what she said were senior members of Mr. Paxton's staff whose integrity had compelled them to speak up about his behavior. She said one employee observed Mr. Paxton requesting expensive renovations to his home that would be taken care of by his friend and donor.ATL Bear said:Of course he supports someone who was unethical and likely broke the law. Trump's only requirement is loyalty. #politicalclownworldwhiterock said:smart move for Trump. He's well-ahead in Texas and Paxton is very popular with the base.boognish_bear said:Trump now going after Abbott over Paxton impeachment #txlege pic.twitter.com/Il67fUceUv
— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) May 28, 2023
The employee, deeply disturbed at a situation he regarded as improper, quit his job, Ms. Johnson said. When he continued to be paid by Mr. Paxton, she said, the man returned the money to Mr. Paxton's campaign. "This is the kind of integrity," she said, that investigators discovered from the people who spoke up, many of whom were Republicans.
whiterock said:the voters knew all this stuff, and voted for him anyway....deciding they liked what he was doing in office enough to keep him despite the allegations. Then, six months later, out of the blue......boom....establishments decide he has to go anyway. Bad optics. Bad politics. Will divide the base, who will see this (rightly or wrongly) as death by accusation, another example of dual standard of justice, another example of uniparty attacking the most effective conservative in office, etc.....OsoCoreyell said:What about the voters?whiterock said:OsoCoreyell said:He isn't being prosecuted because of politics. He is being prosecuted because he had a campaign donor give a job to his mistress, then, when that donor was being investigated by members of the Texas AG's office, he intervened in the most ridiculous way to derail the prosecution (probably because the donor would reveal the bit about the mistress). When the internal staff of the AG's office (people Ken had personally hired because of their conservative bona fides) objected and asked Ken to cut it out, he had them fired and then told the world they were liars (a story he still sticks to). They gave him every chance to back away from this, but he didn't (probably because he was worried about the donor revealing his affair). They only spoke out after being forced out and libeled by Ken.chriscbear said:
But Oso let the voters decide. No politician is perfect. We can't throw out all semi bad judgement politicians. This is crazy. Ken has done a great job for Texas. This is BS. Weve gone impeachment crazy and we prosecute people because of politics.
The only person that brought this on Ken is Ken. I type this with pain in my heart, because no one wanted Ken to succeed at being AG more than me. No one.
But the voters……
Yeah, yeah, yeah......appearance of impropriety, etc.....most of us here were all raised in mostly the same time and same way. But we aren't in Kansas anymore. We can see the lawfare coming at us from the left. The standard now for most Republicans is that our guys should not be removed until they are convicted of something (because that is clearly the standard for the other side).
Really, really dumb move, after having left so many other big issues unaddressed. If Abbott is smart, he will lash Phelan down for one special session after another, one issue, one at a time. M'fker fed Paxton to the Dem caucus....
Did not gain a single vote anywhere for this. Just divided up our side.
Only the Trump loyalists are all broken up about this. Everyone else doesn't want criminals in government.
Porteroso: "Everyone else doesn't want criminals in government."
If that were true, Biden would never have gotten the Democrats' nomination in 2020, or been elected Senator for that matter.
Not to mention Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, et al.
If that were true, Biden would never have gotten the Democrats' nomination in 2020, or been elected Senator for that matter.
Not to mention Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, et al.
— Collin County GOP (@CollinGOP) May 28, 2023
We elect people without integrity and wonder why government is so corrupt
I am curious that Abbott and others have declined to speak.
Phelan has dumped a no-win situation in the laps of Abbott and particularly Patrick, who leads the Senate (where the trial will be held). They will anger parts of their own coalitions, no matter what they do. Not so much of a problem for Abbott, who is at the end of a long career, but a it is a hot-potato for Patrick, who aspires to higher office.BylrFan said:
I am curious that Abbott and others have declined to speak.
The maxim is mine:
NEVER FIGHT WITH YOUR BASE. NEVER. EVER. IF YOU WIN, YOU HAVE A SMALLER BASE. IF YOU LOSE....WELL, YOU LOSE.
we are about to re-prove the maxim.
Which is why measuring them by results, policy results, voting record, is so much more important than arguments about character which usually are quite subjective and interminable.BylrFan said:
We elect people without integrity and wonder why government is so corrupt
"Texas has a *****house in it!"Porteroso said:whiterock said:the voters knew all this stuff, and voted for him anyway....deciding they liked what he was doing in office enough to keep him despite the allegations. Then, six months later, out of the blue......boom....establishments decide he has to go anyway. Bad optics. Bad politics. Will divide the base, who will see this (rightly or wrongly) as death by accusation, another example of dual standard of justice, another example of uniparty attacking the most effective conservative in office, etc.....OsoCoreyell said:What about the voters?whiterock said:OsoCoreyell said:He isn't being prosecuted because of politics. He is being prosecuted because he had a campaign donor give a job to his mistress, then, when that donor was being investigated by members of the Texas AG's office, he intervened in the most ridiculous way to derail the prosecution (probably because the donor would reveal the bit about the mistress). When the internal staff of the AG's office (people Ken had personally hired because of their conservative bona fides) objected and asked Ken to cut it out, he had them fired and then told the world they were liars (a story he still sticks to). They gave him every chance to back away from this, but he didn't (probably because he was worried about the donor revealing his affair). They only spoke out after being forced out and libeled by Ken.chriscbear said:
But Oso let the voters decide. No politician is perfect. We can't throw out all semi bad judgement politicians. This is crazy. Ken has done a great job for Texas. This is BS. Weve gone impeachment crazy and we prosecute people because of politics.
The only person that brought this on Ken is Ken. I type this with pain in my heart, because no one wanted Ken to succeed at being AG more than me. No one.
But the voters……
Yeah, yeah, yeah......appearance of impropriety, etc.....most of us here were all raised in mostly the same time and same way. But we aren't in Kansas anymore. We can see the lawfare coming at us from the left. The standard now for most Republicans is that our guys should not be removed until they are convicted of something (because that is clearly the standard for the other side).
Really, really dumb move, after having left so many other big issues unaddressed. If Abbott is smart, he will lash Phelan down for one special session after another, one issue, one at a time. M'fker fed Paxton to the Dem caucus....
Did not gain a single vote anywhere for this. Just divided up our side.
Only the Trump loyalists are all broken up about this. Everyone else doesn't want criminals in government.
--Melvin P. Thorpe
If you think he's the only elected official in Austin with a mistress, you're even dumber than I thought. Note the astounding lack of virtue posturing going on from the political class.....
The real theater begins when conversation turns to his wife, who as a sitting Senator will be in the jury pool.
Trump's quick and firm response on this issue may prove to be what put Texas out of reach for Desantis.Osodecentx said:ATL Bear said:Of course he supports someone who was unethical and likely broke the law. Trump's only requirement is loyalty. #politicalclownworldwhiterock said:smart move for Trump. He's well-ahead in Texas and Paxton is very popular with the base.boognish_bear said:Trump now going after Abbott over Paxton impeachment #txlege pic.twitter.com/Il67fUceUv
— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) May 28, 2023
Not sure what's going on in Texas. It's getting where you can't have a supporter hire your mistress to have her closer.