AG Ken Paxton on glide path to impeachment

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IOW's ethics and laws do not matter to those who attend. I get the Red state vs Blue state and am always sympathetic to the view of the Reds (with exceptions to those like MTG, Trump, and the nut job from Colorado).

Paxton has been the Red state warrior for a decade but he is an outright and known crook. Time to say good bye.
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Over 70% of Republican House members voted to impeach.
Over 80% of the House voted to impeach him.
None of the House Republicans who voted against impeachment defended Paxton's conduct. They criticized the process; none defended his actions.

What is the definition of overwhelming?

Abbott will appoint an honest Republican who won't trade political favors for his mistress's job and a house remodel.
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whiterock said:

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smart move for Trump. He's well-ahead in Texas and Paxton is very popular with the base.
Of course he supports someone who was unethical and likely broke the law. Trump's only requirement is loyalty. #politicalclownworld


Not sure what's going on in Texas. It's getting where you can't have a supporter hire your mistress to have her closer.
Trump's quick and firm response on this issue may prove to be what put Texas out of reach for Desantis.



Nope.

Most voters don't know the facts of the matter, or care. Also, Trump took a risk making a statement all but declaring Paxton innocent ahead of the trial, where all kinds of dirty laundry is sure to be announced, no matter what outcome results.
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Over 70% of Republican House members voted to impeach.
Over 80% of the House voted to impeach him.
None of the House Republicans who voted against impeachment defended Paxton's conduct. They criticized the process; none defended his actions.

What is the definition of overwhelming?

Abbott will appoint an honest Republican who won't trade political favors for his mistress's job and a house remodel.



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whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

whiterock said:

boognish_bear said:


smart move for Trump. He's well-ahead in Texas and Paxton is very popular with the base.
Of course he supports someone who was unethical and likely broke the law. Trump's only requirement is loyalty. #politicalclownworld


Not sure what's going on in Texas. It's getting where you can't have a supporter hire your mistress to have her closer.
Trump's quick and firm response on this issue may prove to be what put Texas out of reach for Desantis.



Or continues to solidify Trump's support for unethical, legally troubled, political sycophants. How many of his cohorts will this be now?
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whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

Over 70% of Republican House members voted to impeach.
Over 80% of the House voted to impeach him.
None of the House Republicans who voted against impeachment defended Paxton's conduct. They criticized the process; none defended his actions.

What is the definition of overwhelming?

Abbott will appoint an honest Republican who won't trade political favors for his mistress's job and a house remodel.






You sure have a low opinion of the base. You believe they support an AG who took money & other things of value in return for favors from his office. He will have multiple criminal charges filed shortly

I don't think the base supports a politician whose mistress received a job in Austin from a supporter so Paxton wouldn't have to go all the way to San Antonio for a roll in the sack.

If you're right, God save Texas
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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

Over 70% of Republican House members voted to impeach.
Over 80% of the House voted to impeach him.
None of the House Republicans who voted against impeachment defended Paxton's conduct. They criticized the process; none defended his actions.

What is the definition of overwhelming?

Abbott will appoint an honest Republican who won't trade political favors for his mistress's job and a house remodel.






You sure have a low opinion of the base. You believe they support an AG who took money & other things of value in return for favors from his office. He will have multiple criminal charges filed shortly

I don't think the base supports a politician whose mistress received a job in Austin from a supporter so Paxton wouldn't have to go all the way to San Antonio for a roll in the sack.

If you're right, God save Texas
Not my opinion. My assessment. Which pretty clearly looks to be in line with the polling.

even if we were for the sake of comparison to stipulate on the necessity, the process was profoundly politically inept. No lead-up. No escalating drumbeat of problems.....just BOOM what a surprise out of the end of a lege session which disappointed most conservatives. Small hand-picked committee under direction of a Speaker of dubious loyalty, working under the radar, dead of night, etc..... Reeks of establishments disrespecting process, ignoring primary and general election results to achieve what they failed to accomplish in those elections - decapitating the most effective leader of the Tx conservative movement in order to appease Democrats, which of course will not appease them at all. It's merely going to give them a yardstick to go after every other conservative against whom similar accusations could be contrived.

I'm a little more priggish than the "live boy; dead girl" standard. Putting public money in your pocket is also a red-line. But otherwise, pretty much a traditionalist: let voters decide. Beyond that, acting so precipitately was mind-numbingly stupid. There's a federal investigation going on. Why not at least wait for the indictment and let the Biden DOJ take the brunt of conservative wrath. Then, Phelan would at least have had the defense "the feds tied my hands...had to act..." That would have deflected at least some of the conservative anger at Biden DOJ: "dual standard of justice," "corrupt BIden DOJ," "...but Hunter still walks free....". It would have harmed party unity in one column, but built it up in another one. But now, our resident genius Speaker has invited all that anger to flow inward. What a nincompoop. Doing it before Paxton was even indicted. Just speechless at the dumbassery of the thinking in Austin. But Phelan is proud of himself! Yay!

......the corrosive nature of the virtue posture.....noting harms the common good than letting affectations of principle obscure sober analysis of policy outcomes. Democrats have been there forever. GOP base has finally arrived. But thank goodness the GOP still has our moderate wing of self-styled statesmen which cannot conceive of entering the public square without clutching of pearls in fear that hard nosed politics with Democrats might break out. Sharp words might be uttered! So to avoid such a spectacle, we by golly must go take out the sharpest elbows among us as a peace offering. Which of course will bring no peace at all. It will only embolden them.


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whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

Over 70% of Republican House members voted to impeach.
Over 80% of the House voted to impeach him.
None of the House Republicans who voted against impeachment defended Paxton's conduct. They criticized the process; none defended his actions.

What is the definition of overwhelming?

Abbott will appoint an honest Republican who won't trade political favors for his mistress's job and a house remodel.






You sure have a low opinion of the base. You believe they support an AG who took money & other things of value in return for favors from his office. He will have multiple criminal charges filed shortly

I don't think the base supports a politician whose mistress received a job in Austin from a supporter so Paxton wouldn't have to go all the way to San Antonio for a roll in the sack.

If you're right, God save Texas
Not my opinion. My assessment. Which pretty clearly looks to be in line with the polling.

even if we were for the sake of comparison to stipulate on the necessity, the process was profoundly politically inept. No lead-up. No escalating drumbeat of problems.....just BOOM what a surprise out of the end of a lege session which disappointed most conservatives. Small hand-picked committee under direction of a Speaker of dubious loyalty, working under the radar, dead of night, etc..... Reeks of establishments disrespecting process, ignoring primary and general election results to achieve what they failed to accomplish in those elections - decapitating the most effective leader of the Tx conservative movement in order to appease Democrats, which of course will not appease them at all. It's merely going to give them a yardstick to go after every other conservative against whom similar accusations could be contrived.

I'm a little more priggish than the "live boy; dead girl" standard. Putting public money in your pocket is also a red-line. But otherwise, pretty much a traditionalist: let voters decide. Beyond that, acting so precipitately was mind-numbingly stupid. There's a federal investigation going on. Why not at least wait for the indictment and let the Biden DOJ take the brunt of conservative wrath. Then, Phelan would at least have had the defense "the feds tied my hands...had to act..." That would have deflected at least some of the conservative anger at Biden DOJ: "dual standard of justice," "corrupt BIden DOJ," "...but Hunter still walks free....". It would have harmed party unity in one column, but built it up in another one. But now, our resident genius Speaker has invited all that anger to flow inward. What a nincompoop. Doing it before Paxton was even indicted. Just speechless at the dumbassery of the thinking in Austin. But Phelan is proud of himself! Yay!

......the corrosive nature of the virtue posture.....noting harms the common good than letting affectations of principle obscure sober analysis of policy outcomes. Democrats have been there forever. GOP base has finally arrived. But thank goodness the GOP still has our moderate wing of self-styled statesmen which cannot conceive of entering the public square without clutching of pearls in fear that hard nosed politics with Democrats might break out. Sharp words might be uttered! So to avoid such a spectacle, we by golly must go take out the sharpest elbows among us as a peace offering. Which of course will bring no peace at all. It will only embolden them.





Still no defense or explanation of Paxton's conduct. You just spent 3 very long paragraphs attacking the process instead of defending Paxton

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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

Over 70% of Republican House members voted to impeach.
Over 80% of the House voted to impeach him.
None of the House Republicans who voted against impeachment defended Paxton's conduct. They criticized the process; none defended his actions.

What is the definition of overwhelming?

Abbott will appoint an honest Republican who won't trade political favors for his mistress's job and a house remodel.






You sure have a low opinion of the base. You believe they support an AG who took money & other things of value in return for favors from his office. He will have multiple criminal charges filed shortly

I don't think the base supports a politician whose mistress received a job in Austin from a supporter so Paxton wouldn't have to go all the way to San Antonio for a roll in the sack.

If you're right, God save Texas
Not my opinion. My assessment. Which pretty clearly looks to be in line with the polling.

even if we were for the sake of comparison to stipulate on the necessity, the process was profoundly politically inept. No lead-up. No escalating drumbeat of problems.....just BOOM what a surprise out of the end of a lege session which disappointed most conservatives. Small hand-picked committee under direction of a Speaker of dubious loyalty, working under the radar, dead of night, etc..... Reeks of establishments disrespecting process, ignoring primary and general election results to achieve what they failed to accomplish in those elections - decapitating the most effective leader of the Tx conservative movement in order to appease Democrats, which of course will not appease them at all. It's merely going to give them a yardstick to go after every other conservative against whom similar accusations could be contrived.

I'm a little more priggish than the "live boy; dead girl" standard. Putting public money in your pocket is also a red-line. But otherwise, pretty much a traditionalist: let voters decide. Beyond that, acting so precipitately was mind-numbingly stupid. There's a federal investigation going on. Why not at least wait for the indictment and let the Biden DOJ take the brunt of conservative wrath. Then, Phelan would at least have had the defense "the feds tied my hands...had to act..." That would have deflected at least some of the conservative anger at Biden DOJ: "dual standard of justice," "corrupt BIden DOJ," "...but Hunter still walks free....". It would have harmed party unity in one column, but built it up in another one. But now, our resident genius Speaker has invited all that anger to flow inward. What a nincompoop. Doing it before Paxton was even indicted. Just speechless at the dumbassery of the thinking in Austin. But Phelan is proud of himself! Yay!

......the corrosive nature of the virtue posture.....noting harms the common good than letting affectations of principle obscure sober analysis of policy outcomes. Democrats have been there forever. GOP base has finally arrived. But thank goodness the GOP still has our moderate wing of self-styled statesmen which cannot conceive of entering the public square without clutching of pearls in fear that hard nosed politics with Democrats might break out. Sharp words might be uttered! So to avoid such a spectacle, we by golly must go take out the sharpest elbows among us as a peace offering. Which of course will bring no peace at all. It will only embolden them.





Still no defense or explanation of Paxton's conduct. You just spent 3 very long paragraphs attacking the process instead of defending Paxton


I believe in process a lot, but Ken's spin on this coming out of thin air as a big surprise is just not correct. Did the committee not publicize its process? No, they did not because that would've been a biased and bad process. Another reason for delay is that Ken and his lawyers fought tooth and nail to delay, which they are entitled to do under out system in Texas. What they aren't entitled to do is to fight tooth-and-nail to delay, then when it finally happens scream about how this was done at the last second. I suspect they were trying to avoid having to call a special session to impeach Ken. But lets also remember that impeachment is only the indictment phase of the process. There hasn't been a "rush to judgment" because there hasn't been judgment yet - just a determination that based upon the facts known, Ken should be subject to trial for his actions - a trial at which he will have every opportunity to defend himself.

So if you're a fan of "process" (as I am), then let the process play out.
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Aliceinbubbleland said:

boognish_bear said:


IOW's ethics and laws do not matter to those who attend. I get the Red state vs Blue state and am always sympathetic to the view of the Reds (with exceptions to those like MTG, Trump, and the nut job from Colorado).

Paxton has been the Red state warrior for a decade but he is an outright and known crook. Time to say good bye.
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Crook is probably a bit harsh - but crooked is dead-on.
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boognish_bear said:


Tens of people showed up
whiterock
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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

Over 70% of Republican House members voted to impeach.
Over 80% of the House voted to impeach him.
None of the House Republicans who voted against impeachment defended Paxton's conduct. They criticized the process; none defended his actions.

What is the definition of overwhelming?

Abbott will appoint an honest Republican who won't trade political favors for his mistress's job and a house remodel.






You sure have a low opinion of the base. You believe they support an AG who took money & other things of value in return for favors from his office. He will have multiple criminal charges filed shortly

I don't think the base supports a politician whose mistress received a job in Austin from a supporter so Paxton wouldn't have to go all the way to San Antonio for a roll in the sack.

If you're right, God save Texas
Not my opinion. My assessment. Which pretty clearly looks to be in line with the polling.

even if we were for the sake of comparison to stipulate on the necessity, the process was profoundly politically inept. No lead-up. No escalating drumbeat of problems.....just BOOM what a surprise out of the end of a lege session which disappointed most conservatives. Small hand-picked committee under direction of a Speaker of dubious loyalty, working under the radar, dead of night, etc..... Reeks of establishments disrespecting process, ignoring primary and general election results to achieve what they failed to accomplish in those elections - decapitating the most effective leader of the Tx conservative movement in order to appease Democrats, which of course will not appease them at all. It's merely going to give them a yardstick to go after every other conservative against whom similar accusations could be contrived.

I'm a little more priggish than the "live boy; dead girl" standard. Putting public money in your pocket is also a red-line. But otherwise, pretty much a traditionalist: let voters decide. Beyond that, acting so precipitately was mind-numbingly stupid. There's a federal investigation going on. Why not at least wait for the indictment and let the Biden DOJ take the brunt of conservative wrath. Then, Phelan would at least have had the defense "the feds tied my hands...had to act..." That would have deflected at least some of the conservative anger at Biden DOJ: "dual standard of justice," "corrupt BIden DOJ," "...but Hunter still walks free....". It would have harmed party unity in one column, but built it up in another one. But now, our resident genius Speaker has invited all that anger to flow inward. What a nincompoop. Doing it before Paxton was even indicted. Just speechless at the dumbassery of the thinking in Austin. But Phelan is proud of himself! Yay!

......the corrosive nature of the virtue posture.....noting harms the common good than letting affectations of principle obscure sober analysis of policy outcomes. Democrats have been there forever. GOP base has finally arrived. But thank goodness the GOP still has our moderate wing of self-styled statesmen which cannot conceive of entering the public square without clutching of pearls in fear that hard nosed politics with Democrats might break out. Sharp words might be uttered! So to avoid such a spectacle, we by golly must go take out the sharpest elbows among us as a peace offering. Which of course will bring no peace at all. It will only embolden them.





Still no defense or explanation of Paxton's conduct. You just spent 3 very long paragraphs attacking the process instead of defending Paxton



There you go again. It's not virtuous to presume guilt, you know.
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Amazing he'd post a picture of such a sparse crowd. There is hope for us yet.
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whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

Over 70% of Republican House members voted to impeach.
Over 80% of the House voted to impeach him.
None of the House Republicans who voted against impeachment defended Paxton's conduct. They criticized the process; none defended his actions.

What is the definition of overwhelming?

Abbott will appoint an honest Republican who won't trade political favors for his mistress's job and a house remodel.






You sure have a low opinion of the base. You believe they support an AG who took money & other things of value in return for favors from his office. He will have multiple criminal charges filed shortly

I don't think the base supports a politician whose mistress received a job in Austin from a supporter so Paxton wouldn't have to go all the way to San Antonio for a roll in the sack.

If you're right, God save Texas
Not my opinion. My assessment. Which pretty clearly looks to be in line with the polling.

even if we were for the sake of comparison to stipulate on the necessity, the process was profoundly politically inept. No lead-up. No escalating drumbeat of problems.....just BOOM what a surprise out of the end of a lege session which disappointed most conservatives. Small hand-picked committee under direction of a Speaker of dubious loyalty, working under the radar, dead of night, etc..... Reeks of establishments disrespecting process, ignoring primary and general election results to achieve what they failed to accomplish in those elections - decapitating the most effective leader of the Tx conservative movement in order to appease Democrats, which of course will not appease them at all. It's merely going to give them a yardstick to go after every other conservative against whom similar accusations could be contrived.

I'm a little more priggish than the "live boy; dead girl" standard. Putting public money in your pocket is also a red-line. But otherwise, pretty much a traditionalist: let voters decide. Beyond that, acting so precipitately was mind-numbingly stupid. There's a federal investigation going on. Why not at least wait for the indictment and let the Biden DOJ take the brunt of conservative wrath. Then, Phelan would at least have had the defense "the feds tied my hands...had to act..." That would have deflected at least some of the conservative anger at Biden DOJ: "dual standard of justice," "corrupt BIden DOJ," "...but Hunter still walks free....". It would have harmed party unity in one column, but built it up in another one. But now, our resident genius Speaker has invited all that anger to flow inward. What a nincompoop. Doing it before Paxton was even indicted. Just speechless at the dumbassery of the thinking in Austin. But Phelan is proud of himself! Yay!

......the corrosive nature of the virtue posture.....noting harms the common good than letting affectations of principle obscure sober analysis of policy outcomes. Democrats have been there forever. GOP base has finally arrived. But thank goodness the GOP still has our moderate wing of self-styled statesmen which cannot conceive of entering the public square without clutching of pearls in fear that hard nosed politics with Democrats might break out. Sharp words might be uttered! So to avoid such a spectacle, we by golly must go take out the sharpest elbows among us as a peace offering. Which of course will bring no peace at all. It will only embolden them.





Still no defense or explanation of Paxton's conduct. You just spent 3 very long paragraphs attacking the process instead of defending Paxton



There you go again. It's not virtuous to presume guilt, you know.



Surely y'all received some talking points in his defense

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He and Dan Patrick have not been great for our state.
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LOL pretty good
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boognish_bear said:


possibly correct. +2m unsolicited ballots in Harris County is a difference maker and he stopped them, cold.
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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

Over 70% of Republican House members voted to impeach.
Over 80% of the House voted to impeach him.
None of the House Republicans who voted against impeachment defended Paxton's conduct. They criticized the process; none defended his actions.

What is the definition of overwhelming?

Abbott will appoint an honest Republican who won't trade political favors for his mistress's job and a house remodel.






You sure have a low opinion of the base. You believe they support an AG who took money & other things of value in return for favors from his office. He will have multiple criminal charges filed shortly

I don't think the base supports a politician whose mistress received a job in Austin from a supporter so Paxton wouldn't have to go all the way to San Antonio for a roll in the sack.

If you're right, God save Texas
Not my opinion. My assessment. Which pretty clearly looks to be in line with the polling.

even if we were for the sake of comparison to stipulate on the necessity, the process was profoundly politically inept. No lead-up. No escalating drumbeat of problems.....just BOOM what a surprise out of the end of a lege session which disappointed most conservatives. Small hand-picked committee under direction of a Speaker of dubious loyalty, working under the radar, dead of night, etc..... Reeks of establishments disrespecting process, ignoring primary and general election results to achieve what they failed to accomplish in those elections - decapitating the most effective leader of the Tx conservative movement in order to appease Democrats, which of course will not appease them at all. It's merely going to give them a yardstick to go after every other conservative against whom similar accusations could be contrived.

I'm a little more priggish than the "live boy; dead girl" standard. Putting public money in your pocket is also a red-line. But otherwise, pretty much a traditionalist: let voters decide. Beyond that, acting so precipitately was mind-numbingly stupid. There's a federal investigation going on. Why not at least wait for the indictment and let the Biden DOJ take the brunt of conservative wrath. Then, Phelan would at least have had the defense "the feds tied my hands...had to act..." That would have deflected at least some of the conservative anger at Biden DOJ: "dual standard of justice," "corrupt BIden DOJ," "...but Hunter still walks free....". It would have harmed party unity in one column, but built it up in another one. But now, our resident genius Speaker has invited all that anger to flow inward. What a nincompoop. Doing it before Paxton was even indicted. Just speechless at the dumbassery of the thinking in Austin. But Phelan is proud of himself! Yay!

......the corrosive nature of the virtue posture.....noting harms the common good than letting affectations of principle obscure sober analysis of policy outcomes. Democrats have been there forever. GOP base has finally arrived. But thank goodness the GOP still has our moderate wing of self-styled statesmen which cannot conceive of entering the public square without clutching of pearls in fear that hard nosed politics with Democrats might break out. Sharp words might be uttered! So to avoid such a spectacle, we by golly must go take out the sharpest elbows among us as a peace offering. Which of course will bring no peace at all. It will only embolden them.





Still no defense or explanation of Paxton's conduct. You just spent 3 very long paragraphs attacking the process instead of defending Paxton



There you go again. It's not virtuous to presume guilt, you know.



Surely y'all received some talking points in his defense

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I have no talking points, of course, but I will share something I saw on my Twitter feed from Mark Davis. Notably, check out the first comment from TxGOP Chair Matt Rinaldi, who linked to a relevant Tx Supreme Court ruling which unequivocally supports the interpretation I offered for 665.081 (meaning, the plain wording of the statute.)

Patrick may well eliminate most of the charges involving acts prior to the 2022 election. He certainly should. Process always matters. If we don't uphold it here, then we create chaos down the road. The day after you get elected to the House, Waco1947 can pull up a bunch of your posts and demand that a Democrat controlled house impeach you. Then, when they're done with that, they'll move right on down the list of the GOP caucus, cancelling one by one for lack of sufficient wokeness.

Stop feeling your way thru politics. Gets you into trouble every time.


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Excellent. Came to post that link just now.

Few realize that Democrats actually select a GOP Speaker. They negotiate with 10-15 of the most liberal Republicans, then start handing out pledge cards to the rest of the GOP caucus.

I think it's fair to impute that Patrick is NOT happy with Phelan. And for good reason.

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whiterock
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Check out the comments on Phelan's Twitter feed

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I will not argue with the criticisms of the way the speakership is chosen in the Texas House. But I lay the blame squarely on Abbott and Patrick. It should be communicated clearly to any Republican that caucusing with Democrats to get the Speakership will equal total pariah status and getting primaried endlessly. Perry had a chance to stop that junk and didn't.
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OsoCoreyell said:

I will not argue with the criticisms of the way the speakership is chosen in the Texas House. But I lay the blame squarely on Abbott and Patrick. It should be communicated clearly to any Republican that caucusing with Democrats to get the Speakership will equal total pariah status and getting primaried endlessly. Perry had a chance to stop that junk and didn't.


This lege could have stopped it at any time.

Instead, they hired a bunch of Harris Co. Dems to investigate Paxton without any defense witnesses. Long, but we'll worth the time:

 
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