The question is, where are the swing Senators on the question of Sutton & the Gang of 8? Not sure about that, but know for sure that no sane elected official would want to reward someone else's palace coup with victory, when they are so dependent on their own staff.Aliceinbubbleland said:
After listening all day today I think this is the best defense that can be offered at this time in hearings. Something about these 8 and Sutton doesn't set well. Also the bank President got to the top because of 44 years, not qualifications. He is either stupid or wanted to appear that way as something stinks about the foreclosure sale.
I don't know where Hardin was going today but it was boring. The young attorney, Cammack, was hung out to dry by Paul and Paxton. That was the only thing I could see today that meant Paxton was the creep I suspected him to be.
I had no clue until I got Buzbee's campaign flyer today that he is a MAGA. I never would have suspected him to be associated with them.
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LOL. You're just gobbling up what MQS is dishing out aren't you?whiterock said:The question is, where are the swing Senators on the question of Sutton & the Gang of 8? Not sure about that, but know for sure that no sane elected official would want to reward someone else's palace coup with victory, when they are so dependent on their own staff.Aliceinbubbleland said:
After listening all day today I think this is the best defense that can be offered at this time in hearings. Something about these 8 and Sutton doesn't set well. Also the bank President got to the top because of 44 years, not qualifications. He is either stupid or wanted to appear that way as something stinks about the foreclosure sale.
I don't know where Hardin was going today but it was boring. The young attorney, Cammack, was hung out to dry by Paul and Paxton. That was the only thing I could see today that meant Paxton was the creep I suspected him to be.
I had no clue until I got Buzbee's campaign flyer today that he is a MAGA. I never would have suspected him to be associated with them.
High level staff, all movement conservatives, suspect illegal activity. They report it to FBI. That isn't a palace coup, that is being honest . I guess dishonest state senators might see it as "rewarding the palace coup".
Convicting Paxton and removing him from office isn't rewarding the whistle blowers. It's thinning the herd of a dishonest AG; it would be rewarding the taxpayers of Texas. Republicans would also be the winners.
whiterock said:The question is, where are the swing Senators on the question of Sutton & the Gang of 8? Not sure about that, but know for sure that no sane elected official would want to reward someone else's palace coup with victory, when they are so dependent on their own staff.Aliceinbubbleland said:
After listening all day today I think this is the best defense that can be offered at this time in hearings. Something about these 8 and Sutton doesn't set well. Also the bank President got to the top because of 44 years, not qualifications. He is either stupid or wanted to appear that way as something stinks about the foreclosure sale.
I don't know where Hardin was going today but it was boring. The young attorney, Cammack, was hung out to dry by Paul and Paxton. That was the only thing I could see today that meant Paxton was the creep I suspected him to be.
I had no clue until I got Buzbee's campaign flyer today that he is a MAGA. I never would have suspected him to be associated with them.
How is it a palace coup? In a coup the actors take over for the king. None of this group were going to be named AG, they faced the real chance they would not even be retained in their positions by whoever succeeded Paxton.
Per various sources: It sounds like the alleged mistress, Laura Olson, was planning to plead the 5th on the stand, there was potentially a motion to quash, and the agreement ended up being that Patrick would read a short statement that she would not be testifying in the trial https://t.co/jbB9Hba3tM
— Scott Braddock (@scottbraddock) September 13, 2023
Hopefully they will finish the trial this week.
I wished they had gone ahead with Buzbee's threat to vote. Enough of this circus. Hardin was incompetent today. He looked like a Biden press conference. I was hoping the whire would testify so the stupids that voted for Paxton could see the hypocrisy.
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As Senate is about to vote on whether to end his impeachment trial early and dismiss the articles, Paxton announces Tucker Carlson interview next week > https://t.co/r8VhGU4VfJ
— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) September 13, 2023
After being in capitol most of the day, alleged #KenPaxton mistress Laura Olson was headed for 1st floor exit. I asked if she expected to testify today. Woman ushering her out said they had something they needed to get to and Olson not expected to testify today pic.twitter.com/NBD51HLtvU
— Jason Wheeler (@jasonwheelertv) September 13, 2023
She was going to plead the 5th so a waste of time having her. Pretty sure Angela Paxton knew this was the strategy all along so save the sympathy.
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New: Trump breaks his silence on Paxton’s impeachment trial #txlege pic.twitter.com/dsX6wfRtBs
— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) September 14, 2023
The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP
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Sure, sure, Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney were going to create jobs, defend Freedom and appoint originalist judges,, but they just never got the chance?Aliceinbubbleland said:
The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Interesting point. The MAGA's haven't done anything to balance the federal budget.Aliceinbubbleland said:
The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP
Seriously, who has?Guy Noir said:Interesting point. The MAGA's haven't done anything to balance the federal budget.Aliceinbubbleland said:
The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Oldbear83 said:Seriously, who has?Guy Noir said:Interesting point. The MAGA's haven't done anything to balance the federal budget.Aliceinbubbleland said:
The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP
No one person could ever balance the budget themselves obviously, but the first step is to at least reduce the annual deficit. If you truly want that to happen, the last few decades have made it very clear that you should vote for a Democratic President.
That last statement could only be made by a very dishonest, or very mentally ill person.HuMcK said:Oldbear83 said:Seriously, who has?Guy Noir said:Interesting point. The MAGA's haven't done anything to balance the federal budget.Aliceinbubbleland said:
The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP
No one person could ever balance the budget themselves obviously, but the first step is to at least reduce the annual deficit. If you truly want that to happen, the last few decades have made it very clear that you should vote for a Democratic President.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
As third-party groups supporting AG Ken Paxton have inundated Texas GOP primary voters with messages about the impeachment, Paxton's image with those voters is slipping, per new polling out today #txlege https://t.co/kbFstXQMEN pic.twitter.com/xPCrYZEd8G
— Scott Braddock (@scottbraddock) September 14, 2023
Reagan, Clinton, you know, the ones that were real Republicans and not RINO MAGAOldbear83 said:Seriously, who has?Guy Noir said:Interesting point. The MAGA's haven't done anything to balance the federal budget.Aliceinbubbleland said:
The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP
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Aliceinbubbleland said:Reagan, Clinton, you know, the ones that were real Republicans and not RINO MAGAOldbear83 said:Seriously, who has?Guy Noir said:Interesting point. The MAGA's haven't done anything to balance the federal budget.Aliceinbubbleland said:
The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP
< chuckle>
Nice try, but my concentration is in Accounting. Clinton's math was a fairy tale.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
The @wfaa crew (at least two of them) predicts Paxton is exonerated, that Buzbee has the 10 votes to avoid conviction. Theory is that's why the defense is ready to rest. #txlege
— Kimberly Reeves (@edwonkkimmy) September 14, 2023
That, or the guy deciding the Defense would rest is the same guy who got the Prosecution to rest before they were really done.boognish_bear said:The @wfaa crew (at least two of them) predicts Paxton is exonerated, that Buzbee has the 10 votes to avoid conviction. Theory is that's why the defense is ready to rest. #txlege
— Kimberly Reeves (@edwonkkimmy) September 14, 2023
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Probably. Rusty Hardin handed the victory to defense. Erin Ephley should have been the lead and she should do the closing but the old fart will probably hand it to Buzbee on a platter.
One can only hope the RINO (Religious In Name Only) vote him out or he is convicted here in Harris County.
One can only hope the RINO (Religious In Name Only) vote him out or he is convicted here in Harris County.
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Texans Against Public Corruption, the nonprofit that’s been sending out texts detailing the impeachment articles against Paxton, sent this mailer to Republican Senate districts today, I’m told #txlege pic.twitter.com/wYduaAMxbd
— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) September 15, 2023
Osodecentx said:LOL. You're just gobbling up what MQS is dishing out aren't you?whiterock said:The question is, where are the swing Senators on the question of Sutton & the Gang of 8? Not sure about that, but know for sure that no sane elected official would want to reward someone else's palace coup with victory, when they are so dependent on their own staff.Aliceinbubbleland said:
After listening all day today I think this is the best defense that can be offered at this time in hearings. Something about these 8 and Sutton doesn't set well. Also the bank President got to the top because of 44 years, not qualifications. He is either stupid or wanted to appear that way as something stinks about the foreclosure sale.
I don't know where Hardin was going today but it was boring. The young attorney, Cammack, was hung out to dry by Paul and Paxton. That was the only thing I could see today that meant Paxton was the creep I suspected him to be.
I had no clue until I got Buzbee's campaign flyer today that he is a MAGA. I never would have suspected him to be associated with them.
High level staff, all movement conservatives, suspect illegal activity. They report it to FBI. That isn't a palace coup, that is being honest . I guess dishonest state senators might see it as "rewarding the palace coup".
Convicting Paxton and removing him from office isn't rewarding the whistle blowers. It's thinning the herd of a dishonest AG; it would be rewarding the taxpayers of Texas. Republicans would also be the winners.
LOL. ""Suspect" is the right word. here's your case, in a nutshell
Probably the most accurate recap I’ve seen. https://t.co/xb2bRmoQyB
— Matt Rinaldi (@MattRinaldiTX) September 15, 2023
Prosecutors stunned me this morning knocking it out of the park with powerful closing argument. Buzbee tried to make this a Bush yankees vs Texans.
Hon Jeff Leach made me proud. What a great challenge to those on the fence. And Buzbee's trampling the law enforcement (Rangers, FBI, Justic Department) was killed by Prosecutions saying We Back The Blue.
FY Paxton
Hon Jeff Leach made me proud. What a great challenge to those on the fence. And Buzbee's trampling the law enforcement (Rangers, FBI, Justic Department) was killed by Prosecutions saying We Back The Blue.
FY Paxton
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aggy Buzbee just stomped on Bush's graves in College Station during his ranting closing
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I am not a Bill Clinton fan but he did go through Business Process Engineering to try to make the government more efficient. His last month or so in office the spending was less than revenues.Oldbear83 said:Aliceinbubbleland said:Reagan, Clinton, you know, the ones that were real Republicans and not RINO MAGAOldbear83 said:Seriously, who has?Guy Noir said:Interesting point. The MAGA's haven't done anything to balance the federal budget.Aliceinbubbleland said:
The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP
< chuckle>
Nice try, but my concentration is in Accounting. Clinton's math was a fairy tale.
Believe that if it makes you feel good.Guy Noir said:I am not a Bill Clinton fan but he did go through Business Process Engineering to try to make the government more efficient. His last month or so in office the spending was less than revenues.Oldbear83 said:Aliceinbubbleland said:Reagan, Clinton, you know, the ones that were real Republicans and not RINO MAGAOldbear83 said:Seriously, who has?Guy Noir said:Interesting point. The MAGA's haven't done anything to balance the federal budget.Aliceinbubbleland said:
The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP
< chuckle>
Nice try, but my concentration is in Accounting. Clinton's math was a fairy tale.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
whiterock said:He has been under indictment (but inexplicably not prosecuted) for 7-8 years on one (specious) charge.quash said:Quote:Thanks for bringing the conversation back to my initial point: they could have avoided that dilemma entirely by not impeaching him in the first place and letting the courts handle it........Quote:I don't disagree. I'm wondering if senators believe it is helpful politically to acquit a guy whose been indicted once and may be indicted again. Do they want their political futures tied up with this guy?Quote:Impeachment is not a legal process. It's a political process. Rules of due process do not apply, although the bodies involved will establish rules that are facsimiles of due process.Quote:no argument from meQuote:
House impeaches by simple majority. Senate convicts by 2/3rds. Trump's impeached, then acquitted
The standard of evidence for a senator to convict is whatever the senator thinks it is. Senator can vote to convict for any reason or no reason at all.fo
Literally, the people voting to impeach and convict are looking at how their vote will affect their re-election process.
If, and only if, the allegations are true then his conduct in office is despicable.
If not impeachment then what sanction would you impose? (Aside from "let the voters decide" which is fair.)
He is (recently) being investigated by the FBI on another.
Are you going to remove him from office just because he's accused?
(remember, he's been accused of some of the counts for a long, long time and been elected anyway.)
Or are you going to let the processes in motion play out and remove him if/when convicted?
Why the rush to impeach?
Could it be that the legal cases against him are so weak?
Would it not be more fair to him and the majority of people who voted for him to let the legal processes lay out FIRST?
"Nah, I don't like the SOB and most especially the nutjobs who support him, so I'll help the Democrats screw him over the first chance I get, voters be damned."
--Osodecentx
Nothing in the Texas construction or the rules of the legislature require that body to pause while other charges are resolved. There is no interplay
Neither is there a "rush". Resolving this between sessions is entirely appropriate.
Not sure why you asked me those questions: as I said if he is convicted he's out, if not he can stay as far as I'm concerned.
But you didn't answer the question I asked: what sanction would you impose if the evidence supports the charges?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Confirmed: Senators are leaving the Texas Capitol for the night with no verdict in the impeachment trial. They'll come back tomorrow #TxLege
— Scott Braddock (@scottbraddock) September 16, 2023
Wow. House won closing, that’s for damn sure. My prediction: Convicted by separate 23-7 votes on five to eight Articles.
— Joe Jaworski (@JaworskiForTX) September 15, 2023
I wished I could be so confident as you in counting votes.boognish_bear said:Wow. House won closing, that’s for damn sure. My prediction: Convicted by separate 23-7 votes on five to eight Articles.
— Joe Jaworski (@JaworskiForTX) September 15, 2023
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Check it out.Oldbear83 said:Believe that if it makes you feel good.Guy Noir said:I am not a Bill Clinton fan but he did go through Business Process Engineering to try to make the government more efficient. His last month or so in office the spending was less than revenues.Oldbear83 said:Aliceinbubbleland said:Reagan, Clinton, you know, the ones that were real Republicans and not RINO MAGAOldbear83 said:Seriously, who has?Guy Noir said:Interesting point. The MAGA's haven't done anything to balance the federal budget.Aliceinbubbleland said:
The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP
< chuckle>
Nice try, but my concentration is in Accounting. Clinton's math was a fairy tale.
Oh I did, long ago. It's not just Clinton of course, but government 'accounting' is smoke and mirrors to put David Copperfield to shame.Guy Noir said:Check it out.Oldbear83 said:Believe that if it makes you feel good.Guy Noir said:I am not a Bill Clinton fan but he did go through Business Process Engineering to try to make the government more efficient. His last month or so in office the spending was less than revenues.Oldbear83 said:Aliceinbubbleland said:Reagan, Clinton, you know, the ones that were real Republicans and not RINO MAGAOldbear83 said:Seriously, who has?Guy Noir said:Interesting point. The MAGA's haven't done anything to balance the federal budget.Aliceinbubbleland said:
The REAL RINO's are the MAGA's. They have destroyed GOP
< chuckle>
Nice try, but my concentration is in Accounting. Clinton's math was a fairy tale.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Chair @leachfortexas is a powerful messenger for the House: A Collin County Republican like Paxton and a long-time friend of Paxton who eventually came to believe that the AG was corrupt, just like the whistle-blowers. "This is one of the most difficult things I've ever done"
— Scott Braddock (@scottbraddock) September 15, 2023