House Removes Kevin McCarthy as Speaker
Rep. Matt Gaetz forced a vote to try oust Kevin McCarthy from the speakership.
House lawmakers voted to remove Kevin McCarthy as speaker. It's the first time in U.S. history that a speaker has been voted out.
Republicans joined with all Democrats in voting for a motion to vacate, forcing McCarthy to relinquish his post. The vote plunges the chamber into chaos and limits the GOP's ability to make progress on conservative goals.
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/house-speaker-vote-kevin-mccarthy-matt-gaetz?mod=breakingnews

not sure if this is a good thing or not...no one tells the truth. they all want power. Bunch of Narcissists

Matt Gaetz and AOC coalition government ? Wow

chriscbear said:

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Matt Gaetz and AOC coalition government ? Wow

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Democrats could have saved McCarthy as speaker if they wanted….they didn't.

Let's also not act like a Pelosi-McCarthy House (similar to the ones we have had for decades) would be any better for the country than a Gaetz-AOC House.

The country is burning down around us and all the Republicans can do is act like mean girls at a slumber party. All the while, the Dems are laughing. Not a good look.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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The country is burning down around us and all the Republicans can do is act like mean girls at a slumber party. All the while, the Dems are laughing. Not a good look.

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You act like McCarthy and the establishment faction of the GOP was going to do anything to stop that or help the country anyway.

All they want to do is pass tax cuts for the wealthy and fund the Ukraine war.

Just one small Symbolic thing…during the race riots and violence of the summer of Floyd the last speaker Pelosi removed various portraits from the Capitol of past speakers and important historic southern congressmen.

McCarthy did not even put them back up.

The GOP is a joke and refuses to even symbolically support it's voter base.

"The GOP is a joke and refuses to even symbolically support it's voter base."

Confederate slave owners? Because those were the four portraits she had taken down. Sure says a lot about who you think the GOP base is.

It's interesting how the mask slips sometimes when one of you says the quiet part out loud.

HuMcK said:

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"The GOP is a joke and refuses to even symbolically support it's voter base."

Confederate slave owners? Because those were the four portraits she had taken down. Sure says a lot about who you think the GOP base is.

It's interesting how the mask slips sometimes when one of you says the quiet part out loud.

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The good news is Trump will clean this mess up and take out the trash. Not sure anyone else other than DeSantis has the balls to do it. I do not like Trump, but The Revenge Tour will be fun to watch. The rats will be scurrying and running for cover.

HuMcK said:

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"The GOP is a joke and refuses to even symbolically support it's voter base."

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lol

Without Southern Whites the Republican Party would be a rump party that had no chance at national power.

The same as how if the Democratic Party did not get 90% of the Black vote every election it would never win any of the Swing States or hold power in most urban core cities.

The difference of course is only one of those national parties panders to its voters while the other actively dislikes is voters.

HuMcK said:

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"The GOP is a joke and refuses to even symbolically support it's voter base."

Confederate slave owners? Because those were the four portraits she had taken down. Sure says a lot about who you think the GOP base is.

It's interesting how the mask slips sometimes when one of you says the quiet part out loud.

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You flunked history.

More evidence the Republican Party is in shambles. No real leadership, no discipline, no common sense.

And as a result the Dem's radical agenda will only gather more steam.




2024 ?

Forget about it.

KaiBear said:

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More evidence the Republican Party is in shambles. No real leadership, no discipline, no common sense.

And as a result the Dem's radical agenda will only gather more steam.




2024 ?

Forget about it.

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2024 is a way off.

Eight Republican cockroaches voted with unanimous Democrats.

Ho-hum. They world was gonna end when it took a few days for McCarthy to get elected. (It didn't.). Now the world is gonna end because he got removed. (It won't.). We'll have a new speaker sometime next week. Hopefully the next one will do a better job of keeping his promises to keep his caucus united.

whiterock said:

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Ho-hum. They world was gonna end when it took a few days for McCarthy to get elected. (It didn't.). Now the world is gonna end because he got removed. (It won't.). We'll have a new speaker sometime next week. Hopefully the next one will do a better job of keeping his promises to keep his caucus united.

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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KaiBear said:

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More evidence the Republican Party is in shambles. No real leadership, no discipline, no common sense.

And as a result the Dem's radical agenda will only gather more steam.




2024 ?

Forget about it.

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2024 is a way off.

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That's what they said when we were going thru all the votes back in January. And today, the GOP is strongly ahead of Dems on polling on the top ten issues.

The aversion of GOP leadership to fighting with anyone other than their own is simply inexplicable. They're moderates all-day, every-day with Democrats, but turn radically inflexible when it comes to including conservatives, with whom they agree in principle on nearly every policy issue, as strategic partners.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Ho-hum. They world was gonna end when it took a few days for McCarthy to get elected. (It didn't.). Now the world is gonna end because he got removed. (It won't.). We'll have a new speaker sometime next week. Hopefully the next one will do a better job of keeping his promises to keep his caucus united.

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Yeah, you're right on that one. McCarthy said "bring it on," knowing what would happen. He coulda compromised like a good moderate. But, alas, he didn't.

whiterock said:

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Ho-hum. They world was gonna end when it took a few days for McCarthy to get elected. (It didn't.). Now the world is gonna end because he got removed. (It won't.). We'll have a new speaker sometime next week. Hopefully the next one will do a better job of keeping his promises to keep his caucus united.

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Dem's could easily end up providing the nest speaker.

Republicans just gave then the mandate.

whiterock said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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Ho-hum. They world was gonna end when it took a few days for McCarthy to get elected. (It didn't.). Now the world is gonna end because he got removed. (It won't.). We'll have a new speaker sometime next week. Hopefully the next one will do a better job of keeping his promises to keep his caucus united.

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Yeah, you're right on that one. McCarthy said "bring it on," knowing what would happen. He coulda compromised like a good moderate. But, alas, he didn't.

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There was no compromise with Gaetz. Maybe he could have with the Dems.

I'd have done what McCarthy did. You can be treated like a *****.

KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Ho-hum. They world was gonna end when it took a few days for McCarthy to get elected. (It didn't.). Now the world is gonna end because he got removed. (It won't.). We'll have a new speaker sometime next week. Hopefully the next one will do a better job of keeping his promises to keep his caucus united.

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Dem's could easily end up providing the nest speaker.

Republicans just gave then the mandate.

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Not likely.

Redbrickbear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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The country is burning down around us and all the Republicans can do is act like mean girls at a slumber party. All the while, the Dems are laughing. Not a good look.

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You act like McCarthy and the establishment faction of the GOP was going to do anything to stop that or help the country anyway.

All they want to do is pass tax cuts for the wealthy and fund the Ukraine war.

Just one small Symbolic thing…during the race riots and violence of the summer of Floyd the last speaker Pelosi removed various portraits from the Capitol of past speakers and important historic southern congressmen.

McCarthy did not even put them back up.

The GOP is a joke and refuses to even symbolically support it's voter base.

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As opposed to this loser "poor me" populism that carries the same message as liberal socialism and "blame the rich" siren song? I mean I can't believe people keeping more of one's own money, regardless of economic status, was such a bad thing. We became a great country because we don't coddle average, yet here we are trying to champion being average. How is that "making America great"? What reference point of prosperity and wealth are we referring back to? Let me help you, it isn't there. With periodic variances, the trend line for wealth in all classes is up consistently. We succeed in spite of government, yet here we have parallel tracks from both sides of the aisle of class warfare. It takes prosperity to wallow in its advantages like the complaints we hear. I used to be able to lambast the liberals for it, yet here we are.

This is what we're seeing.

This is what McCarthy needed to be more like.

ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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The country is burning down around us and all the Republicans can do is act like mean girls at a slumber party. All the while, the Dems are laughing. Not a good look.

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You act like McCarthy and the establishment faction of the GOP was going to do anything to stop that or help the country anyway.

All they want to do is pass tax cuts for the wealthy and fund the Ukraine war.

Just one small Symbolic thing…during the race riots and violence of the summer of Floyd the last speaker Pelosi removed various portraits from the Capitol of past speakers and important historic southern congressmen.

McCarthy did not even put them back up.

The GOP is a joke and refuses to even symbolically support it's voter base.

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As opposed to this loser "poor me" populism that carries the same message as liberal socialism and "blame the rich" siren song? I mean I can't believe people keeping more of one's own money, regardless of economic status, was such a bad thing. We became a great country because we don't coddle average, yet here we are trying to champion being average. How is that "making America great"? What reference point of prosperity and wealth are we referring back to?

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As America begins to look more like South Africa or Venezuela…it will begin to act more like them.

The age of affluence in the USA is coming to an end…so is the age of being a high trust society.

Get used to it.

And no amount of libertarianism or "cutting regulations" or arguing about the ideal tax rate is gonna cure that.

Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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The country is burning down around us and all the Republicans can do is act like mean girls at a slumber party. All the while, the Dems are laughing. Not a good look.

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You act like McCarthy and the establishment faction of the GOP was going to do anything to stop that or help the country anyway.

All they want to do is pass tax cuts for the wealthy and fund the Ukraine war.

Just one small Symbolic thing…during the race riots and violence of the summer of Floyd the last speaker Pelosi removed various portraits from the Capitol of past speakers and important historic southern congressmen.

McCarthy did not even put them back up.

The GOP is a joke and refuses to even symbolically support it's voter base.

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As opposed to this loser "poor me" populism that carries the same message as liberal socialism and "blame the rich" siren song? I mean I can't believe people keeping more of one's own money, regardless of economic status, was such a bad thing. We became a great country because we don't coddle average, yet here we are trying to champion being average. How is that "making America great"? What reference point of prosperity and wealth are we referring back to? Let me help you, it isn't there. With periodic variances, the trend line for wealth in all classes is up consistently. We succeed in spite of government, yet here we have parallel tracks from both sides of the aisle of class warfare. It takes prosperity to wallow in its advantages like the complaints we hear. I used to be able to lambast the liberals for it, yet here we are.

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As America begins to look more like South Africa or Venezuela…it will begin to act more like them.

The age of affluence in the USA is coming to an end…so is the age of being a high trust society.

Get used to it.

And no amount of libertarianism or "cutting regulations" or arguing about the ideal tax rate is gonna cure that.

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It isn't how we look, it's how we act. Partnering along side the class warfare warriors will get us to acting like them quicker than any demographic change. That's the danger of being a society seeking comfort over prosperity.

ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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The country is burning down around us and all the Republicans can do is act like mean girls at a slumber party. All the while, the Dems are laughing. Not a good look.

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You act like McCarthy and the establishment faction of the GOP was going to do anything to stop that or help the country anyway.

All they want to do is pass tax cuts for the wealthy and fund the Ukraine war.

Just one small Symbolic thing…during the race riots and violence of the summer of Floyd the last speaker Pelosi removed various portraits from the Capitol of past speakers and important historic southern congressmen.

McCarthy did not even put them back up.

The GOP is a joke and refuses to even symbolically support it's voter base.

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As opposed to this loser "poor me" populism that carries the same message as liberal socialism and "blame the rich" siren song? I mean I can't believe people keeping more of one's own money, regardless of economic status, was such a bad thing. We became a great country because we don't coddle average, yet here we are trying to champion being average. How is that "making America great"? What reference point of prosperity and wealth are we referring back to? Let me help you, it isn't there. With periodic variances, the trend line for wealth in all classes is up consistently. We succeed in spite of government, yet here we have parallel tracks from both sides of the aisle of class warfare. It takes prosperity to wallow in its advantages like the complaints we hear. I used to be able to lambast the liberals for it, yet here we are.

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As America begins to look more like South Africa or Venezuela…it will begin to act more like them.

The age of affluence in the USA is coming to an end…so is the age of being a high trust society.

Get used to it.

And no amount of libertarianism or "cutting regulations" or arguing about the ideal tax rate is gonna cure that.

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It isn't how we look, it's how we act. Partnering along side the class warfare warriors will get us to acting like them quicker than any demographic change. That's the danger of being a society seeking comfort over prosperity.

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lol demographic change is far far more important than any of your worries about "class warfare".

No one is coming for your precious money…not yet

But as ANC ruled South Africa has shown….eventual it will come to that.

The USA will have land redistribution programs and racial employment quotas within 30 years.

Kevin McCarthy was by far the worst leader I served with in the Republican conference. Unprincipled, incompetent, duplicitous, vindictive, and entirely transactional.

Instead of simply committing to and following through on maintaining an open and deliberative process in the…

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) October 3, 2023

I still have a voicemail from McCarthy on election night wishing me luck, saying I would win and help him make history.

Knowing the whole time he sabotaged me, but in that little chance I won, he wanted credit.

Well - we did it buddy. We made history. First Speaker to be… pic.twitter.com/xzHfzCHBa8

— JR Majewski (@JRMajewski) October 3, 2023

McCarthy is a dishonorable man.

He promised to release the J6 tapes in exchange for being being elected as Speaker. He broke his promise.

He got the Republicans to vote for the continuing resolution by removing Ukraine from it, while simultaneously making a secret side with…

— RAMZPAUL (@ramzpaul) October 3, 2023

Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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The country is burning down around us and all the Republicans can do is act like mean girls at a slumber party. All the while, the Dems are laughing. Not a good look.

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You act like McCarthy and the establishment faction of the GOP was going to do anything to stop that or help the country anyway.

All they want to do is pass tax cuts for the wealthy and fund the Ukraine war.

Just one small Symbolic thing…during the race riots and violence of the summer of Floyd the last speaker Pelosi removed various portraits from the Capitol of past speakers and important historic southern congressmen.

McCarthy did not even put them back up.

The GOP is a joke and refuses to even symbolically support it's voter base.

---

As opposed to this loser "poor me" populism that carries the same message as liberal socialism and "blame the rich" siren song? I mean I can't believe people keeping more of one's own money, regardless of economic status, was such a bad thing. We became a great country because we don't coddle average, yet here we are trying to champion being average. How is that "making America great"? What reference point of prosperity and wealth are we referring back to? Let me help you, it isn't there. With periodic variances, the trend line for wealth in all classes is up consistently. We succeed in spite of government, yet here we have parallel tracks from both sides of the aisle of class warfare. It takes prosperity to wallow in its advantages like the complaints we hear. I used to be able to lambast the liberals for it, yet here we are.

---

As America begins to look more like South Africa or Venezuela…it will begin to act more like them.

The age of affluence in the USA is coming to an end…so is the age of being a high trust society.

Get used to it.

And no amount of libertarianism or "cutting regulations" or arguing about the ideal tax rate is gonna cure that.

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It isn't how we look, it's how we act. Partnering along side the class warfare warriors will get us to acting like them quicker than any demographic change. That's the danger of being a society seeking comfort over prosperity.

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lol demographic change is far far more important than any of your worries about "class warfare".

No one is coming for your precious money…not yet

But as ANC ruled South Africa has shown….eventual it will come to that.

The USA will have land redistribution programs and racial employment quotas within 30 years.

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We already have and have had that. And ironically, both South Africa and Venezuela got to where they are via economic class warfare. Both were already black and brown nations (which you are fixated on here), ie, there was no mass demographic change.

Redbrickbear said:

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chriscbear said:

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Matt Gaetz and AOC coalition government ? Wow

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Democrats could have saved McCarthy as speaker if they wanted….they didn't.

Let's also not act like a Pelosi-McCarthy House (similar to the ones we have had for decades) would be any better for the country than a Gaetz-AOC House.

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Missed opportunity. The adults could have showed the children they are powerless. Instead they focused on their own differences.

Frank Galvin said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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chriscbear said:

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Matt Gaetz and AOC coalition government ? Wow

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Democrats could have saved McCarthy as speaker if they wanted….they didn't.

Let's also not act like a Pelosi-McCarthy House (similar to the ones we have had for decades) would be any better for the country than a Gaetz-AOC House.

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Missed opportunity. The adults could have showed the children they are powerless. Instead they focused on their own differences.

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The differences were pretty substantial.

Like are we going to ever close the border?

Should the speaker be allowed to cut backroom deals with the liberal opposition to keep funding a Ukraine proxy war indefinitely?

Should we hold the speaker to any of the promises he made to get the gavel? Like letting us see the spending bills before they are dumbed into omnibus bills at the last minute and scheduled for a floor vote…

Frank Galvin said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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chriscbear said:

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Matt Gaetz and AOC coalition government ? Wow

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Democrats could have saved McCarthy as speaker if they wanted….they didn't.

Let's also not act like a Pelosi-McCarthy House (similar to the ones we have had for decades) would be any better for the country than a Gaetz-AOC House.

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Missed opportunity. The adults could have showed the children they are powerless. Instead they focused on their own differences.

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Last time I heard that sort of condescension the Democrats were referring to putting some decaying bag of oatmeal in the Oval Office.

ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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The country is burning down around us and all the Republicans can do is act like mean girls at a slumber party. All the while, the Dems are laughing. Not a good look.

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You act like McCarthy and the establishment faction of the GOP was going to do anything to stop that or help the country anyway.

All they want to do is pass tax cuts for the wealthy and fund the Ukraine war.

Just one small Symbolic thing…during the race riots and violence of the summer of Floyd the last speaker Pelosi removed various portraits from the Capitol of past speakers and important historic southern congressmen.

McCarthy did not even put them back up.

The GOP is a joke and refuses to even symbolically support it's voter base.

---

As opposed to this loser "poor me" populism that carries the same message as liberal socialism and "blame the rich" siren song? I mean I can't believe people keeping more of one's own money, regardless of economic status, was such a bad thing. We became a great country because we don't coddle average, yet here we are trying to champion being average. How is that "making America great"? What reference point of prosperity and wealth are we referring back to? Let me help you, it isn't there. With periodic variances, the trend line for wealth in all classes is up consistently. We succeed in spite of government, yet here we have parallel tracks from both sides of the aisle of class warfare. It takes prosperity to wallow in its advantages like the complaints we hear. I used to be able to lambast the liberals for it, yet here we are.

---

As America begins to look more like South Africa or Venezuela…it will begin to act more like them.

The age of affluence in the USA is coming to an end…so is the age of being a high trust society.

Get used to it.

And no amount of libertarianism or "cutting regulations" or arguing about the ideal tax rate is gonna cure that.

---

It isn't how we look, it's how we act. Partnering along side the class warfare warriors will get us to acting like them quicker than any demographic change. That's the danger of being a society seeking comfort over prosperity.

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lol demographic change is far far more important than any of your worries about "class warfare".

No one is coming for your precious money…not yet

But as ANC ruled South Africa has shown….eventual it will come to that.

The USA will have land redistribution programs and racial employment quotas within 30 years.

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We already have and have had that. And ironically, both South Africa…. there was no mass demographic change.

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Uh? You sure about that?