KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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As predicted.

Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.

Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.

There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.

Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.

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I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.

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There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.

However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

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When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.

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Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.

Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc

Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.

Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.

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No one is equating the founders. Jesus was obviously a better person. People are equating the followers. Which are equal scum when they follow their respective religion.

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Such self serving garbage.

Would be amusing to rread what you have accomplished , outside of internet bleating, to justify the pedistal you so desperately wish to occupy.

Suspect its a short list; consisting of an undergraduate degree, a mountain of debt and an exceedingly quiet 2 bedroom apartment.

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I don't have an A&M degree like you, so that helps!

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Obvious, pointless deflection.

For all your arogance, you have accomplished very little. All you have is your little keyboard to vent out your hopelessness.

Meanwhile our small town Chrisian 'scum' organization of under 50 active members donates over $ 100,000 every year to the poor, crippled, lonely and dying. Most receiving the funds are not Christians.

BTW this figure does not even remotely cover the additional tens of thousands that are donated individually. Does not reflect the thousands of hours individually volunteered to the homeless shelters, assisted living centers, hospitals or the nursing homes.

So again, what is the basis of your arrogance ?

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I am poor,crippled, lonely, and dying. I really appreciate your donations

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Still another deflection as you have zero basis for your arrogance.

Possibly very lonely, yet most certainly damaged.

The result of years of parental donations..

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When you self worth is determined by wealth your projections are as well. I have my flaws but there is no doubt you are one miserable old ****!

Redbrickbear said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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As predicted.

Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.

Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.

There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.

Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.

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I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.

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There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.

However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

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When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.

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Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.

Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc

Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.

Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.

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Mohammad also thought he was demon possessed and thought about committing suicide as he received "revelations" in a cave at Mount Hira. Not exactly something that inspires confidence in the man or the message.

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You also have to entertain the idea that Muhammad never even exited at all. And if he did live…the oral stories about his life might be later developments

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I am not sure where I come down on that. I am not sure that matters. We have over a billion people who believe he existed.

But it is interesting that there were many versions of the Quran that existed during the time of Uthman. He picked one and had the other version destroyed.

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ron.reagan said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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As predicted.

Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.

Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.

There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.

Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.

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I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.

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There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.

However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

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When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.

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Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.

Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc

Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.

Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.

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You are correct. They were not pushy or rude, but make no mistake Islam seemed to be a brutal religion. No room for forgiveness and no room for non-believers/infidels.

True story, I had a vehicle since I had several detachments to work with. I would get to go to the Saudi Airbase at Dhahrarn. When there i would grab a workout in their weight room and a shower. I had to use the infidel showers, literally marked infidels. Talked to a lot of Saudi pilots, educated in England and US, be y they said they will die in the cock pit or desk. Because if they left they would take it out on their family. No room for individual thought, religious opinion or diverging from your role. And these were the open minded ones compared to the ****es to the north. I was not impressed with a life under Islam.

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That sounds horrible. Spanish Inquisition or St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre level bad

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I have shared an office with an Algerian Moslem, very devout. When I evacuated for wild fires he took us in his house. Iranian engineers that left in 1978, were great. So, it is harsh, but it depends on the person. Islam appeals to engineers. It is very logical and the Koran answers questions better than the Bible. It is what you make of it, just like Catholicism, Protestants or even football fans
You can make it brutal or you can be reasonable.. I don't want to give an all negative view.

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Which questions have the Quran answered for you?

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For me? I am not Moslem, nor look to it for answers. I shared an office with an Algerian engineer for 5 years. I went through Ramadan, not eating at my desk so as to respect his fast. Him praying twicw a day. We had many conversations, he could not understand believing on faith alone. I thought it was too methodical and like Mormonism based on one person's interpretation.

As for questions the Koran answers, how to eat, when to eat, when to pray, how to pray, how to treat your wife, etc... I pretty much is a how to manual. What did and does impress me, they are devout, willing to do what their religion asks, and they are charitable. My saying the Koran answer questions is a dircect quote from Moslem engineers I have known.

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Right. The religion provides a high degree of structure for observance and aspects of daily life.

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Thanks, yeah that about sums it up. It is very practical, but I don't find it very spritual.

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ron.reagan said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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As predicted.

Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.

Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.

There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.

Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.

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I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.

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There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.

However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

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When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.

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Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.

Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc

Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.

Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.

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No one is equating the founders. Jesus was obviously a better person. People are equating the followers. Which are equal scum when they follow their respective religion.

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Such self serving garbage.

Would be amusing to rread what you have accomplished , outside of internet bleating, to justify the pedistal you so desperately wish to occupy.

Suspect its a short list; consisting of an undergraduate degree, a mountain of debt and an exceedingly quiet 2 bedroom apartment.

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I don't have an A&M degree like you, so that helps!

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Obvious, pointless deflection.

For all your arogance, you have accomplished very little. All you have is your little keyboard to vent out your hopelessness.

Meanwhile our small town Chrisian 'scum' organization of under 50 active members donates over $ 100,000 every year to the poor, crippled, lonely and dying. Most receiving the funds are not Christians.

BTW this figure does not even remotely cover the additional tens of thousands that are donated individually. Does not reflect the thousands of hours individually volunteered to the homeless shelters, assisted living centers, hospitals or the nursing homes.

So again, what is the basis of your arrogance ?

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I am poor,crippled, lonely, and dying. I really appreciate your donations

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Still another deflection as you have zero basis for your arrogance.

Possibly very lonely, yet most certainly damaged.

The result of years of parental donations..

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I have my flaws but there is no doubt you are one miserable old ****!

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You're also obviously pretty susceptible to neo-con war propaganda….and emotional hysteria.

The kind of guy who is worried that the mighty Iranian Navy might somehow stage an attack on the USA because the talking head on tv told you to be afraid of that.

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Redbrickbear said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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As predicted.

Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.

Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.

There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.

Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.

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I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.

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There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.

However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

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When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.

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Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.

Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc

Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.

Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.

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Mohammad also thought he was demon possessed and thought about committing suicide as he received "revelations" in a cave at Mount Hira. Not exactly something that inspires confidence in the man or the message.

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You also have to entertain the idea that Muhammad never even exited at all. And if he did live…the oral stories about his life might be later developments

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I am not sure where I come down on that. I am not sure that matters. We have over a billion people who believe he existed.

But it is interesting that there were many versions of the Quran that existed during the time of Uthman. He picked one and had the other version destroyed.

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That seems very consistent.

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Given this is the 50th anniversary of the 1973 war and a Jewish holiday, there was probably quite a bit of planning for the surprise attacks.

Given our open borders and the massive numbers of illegal immigrants, how many are Middle Eastern/Muslim embedding themselves into our country?

Btw, thanks, libs.

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I think there is too much of a coincidence here. I would not be surprised if N Korea starts saber rattling. I think China is behind this mess, taking advantage of Biden. When we are spread out enough, they will go for Taiwan.

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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As predicted.

Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.

Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.

There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.

Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.

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I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.

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There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.

However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

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When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.

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Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.

Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc

Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.

Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.

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No one is equating the founders. Jesus was obviously a better person. People are equating the followers. Which are equal scum when they follow their respective religion. Christians rarely follow Christianity except in 3rd world countries where it turns into the same old religious violence. Thankfully modern Christians don't understand what is in the bible.

There is a chance you take it seriously as you are wanting to burn half the people on the planet to death though. Just religious things

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Wow... you are definitely in the fool category.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

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Redbrickbear said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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KaiBear said:

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As predicted.

Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.

Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.

There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.

Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.

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I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.

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There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.

However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

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When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.

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Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.

Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc

Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.

Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.

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Mohammad also thought he was demon possessed and thought about committing suicide as he received "revelations" in a cave at Mount Hira. Not exactly something that inspires confidence in the man or the message.

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You also have to entertain the idea that Muhammad never even exited at all. And if he did live…the oral stories about his life might be later developments

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I am not sure where I come down on that. I am not sure that matters. We have over a billion people who believe he existed.

But it is interesting that there were many versions of the Quran that existed during the time of Uthman. He picked one and had the other version destroyed.

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If he is a fictional character... it speaks volumes about the religion that they created him to be a warlord/pedophile instead of a good & righteous man.
They created an example to follow, that is truly horrifying... what more do you need to know?

Navy Question.

We are moving the Ford into the Eastern Med. It is our most advanced carrier. Wasn't it having tech issues? Did they work those out?

Proud calls for the genocide of the Jews. In Times Square today. pic.twitter.com/N37JJav9gT

— Douglas Murray (@DouglasKMurray) October 8, 2023

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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As predicted.

Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.

Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.

There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.

Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.

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I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.

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There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.

However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

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When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.

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Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.

Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc

Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.

Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.

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No one is equating the founders. Jesus was obviously a better person. People are equating the followers. Which are equal scum when they follow their respective religion. Christians rarely follow Christianity except in 3rd world countries where it turns into the same old religious violence. Thankfully modern Christians don't understand what is in the bible.

There is a chance you take it seriously as you are wanting to burn half the people on the planet to death though. Just religious things

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Wow... you are definitely in the fool category.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

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If not wanting to genocide half the world makes me a fool I have no issue with that. Blindly serving an imaginary zombie is not the way I want to live.

Jacques Strap said:

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Biden Admin: "We don't know if Iran was involved."

Hamas: "They were involved."

Biden Admin: "We just don't know."

Hamas: "No really, they were involved."

Biden Admin: "We may never know." https://t.co/cUJsAaQzy0

— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) October 8, 2023

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So now we know: it was Hamas that left their Cocaine in the White House press room.

It's over for Ukraine flag posters https://t.co/QMdjQKq9ms

— Second City Bureaucrat (@CityBureaucrat) October 8, 2023

Sad for both sides. Vast majority of Israelis and Palestinians just want to live their lives, but the conflict has just gone on too long. Both guilty of near uncountable atrocities.

But this latest seems to be largely unprovoked. If you can ever call any violence by these 2 unprovoked. And I say that ignorantly. I would be sympathetic to either side if I lived amongst them for a month.

I do think Israel has all the justification it needs to go to war. But I also hope they don't go full ape and commit more atrocities than what started it, in the process. Unbelievable that some of you don't understand why Israel doesn't just win already.

After confirmation of several American citizens murdered. President Empathy strikes again. https://t.co/mczgSGuzJN

— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) October 8, 2023

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ShooterTX said:

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ron.reagan said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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As predicted.

Eqyptian police officer murdered two Israeli tourists yesterday in Alexandria.

Anyone in our woke State Department who thinks billions of dollars in US aid annually given to Egypt has alterred Muslim hatred of Israel is an idiot.

There will be assaults on American Jews as well in the coming weeks.

Isael has no choice at this point but to fight an all out war on the Muslin aggressors or their people will be on constant attack throughout the world.

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I don't understand how anyone is stupid enough to think that we can have peace with Muslims.

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There are a few guys who get terminally confused by Muslim *****.

However it is primarily the case of millions of younger men and women who choose to be intellectually lazy . Passively deluding themselves that ' all people are fundamentally the same'.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

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When I was in Saudi for Desert Storm, they had tents set up to discuss Islam. They were not like the violent ones we are seeing. They discussed and answered questions, but no pressure to convert or anything. Sadly, they had more answers than many of the Christians when asked questions.

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Again, all you really need to know is the life of the founder of each religion.

Jesus was a peaceful man who performed miracles, fed the hungry, healed the sick, blessed his enemies... etc

Mohammed was a brutal murder who taught how to properly beat women, how to murder Jews, subjugate non-believers, marry/rape young girls, etc.

Anyone equating Christianity with Islam is either ignorant, foolish, or a liar.

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No one is equating the founders. Jesus was obviously a better person. People are equating the followers. Which are equal scum when they follow their respective religion. Christians rarely follow Christianity except in 3rd world countries where it turns into the same old religious violence. Thankfully modern Christians don't understand what is in the bible.

There is a chance you take it seriously as you are wanting to burn half the people on the planet to death though. Just religious things

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Wow... you are definitely in the fool category.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

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If not wanting to genocide half the world makes me a fool I have no issue with that. Blindly serving an imaginary zombie is not the way I want to live.

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Consuming psychedelics on a daily basis isn't working for you either .

It's hard to convey the low regard islam has for polytheists, like this Thai fellow.

I believe this man was a worker from Thailand 🇹🇭. May his soul rest in peace, and may these Hamas Muslim Brotherhood savages go straight to hell. pic.twitter.com/93f5cU0ltH

— Avi Kaner ابراهيم אבי (@AviKaner) October 8, 2023

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Here's what they did to her. Poster is wrong on ID. See tattoos….

🚨WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT

Israel is under attack.

Palestinians parading around the body of a young Israeli woman.

Joe Biden just gave them 6 billion dollars! He should be ashamed.

Pray for Israel #Israel #IsraelUnderAttack pic.twitter.com/oZk9Vgf4Ko

— Terrence K. Williams (@w_terrence) October 7, 2023

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Yea whiterock…it's a vicious savage race war over there.

The Israelis killed a little Arab boy just the other day.

The whole thing is terrible.

A pox on both their houses

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You see no difference between an accidental shooting and raping, killing and parading in the back of a pickup? They are both the same to you?

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Don't be obtuse.

I see what the whole world sees…an intractable ethnic-tribal conflict that has gone on for nearly the entire 20th century.

Both sides commit what any reasonable and moral person would call war crimes all the time.

A horrific conflict that no other nation should want anything to do with.

The Israelis have been occupying the West Bank against international law and oppressing the Palestinians for 70 years.

The Palestinians respond with savage terrorists attacks.

Neither side are heros….there are no "good guys" to root for in this human tragedy.

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You are going beyond obtuse and straight into Hamas propaganda.

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You have got to stopping yelling "muh enemy propaganda" at every point you don't like…it makes this website boring.

Israel has been occupying Palestinian land (specifically the West Bank) for 70 years contrary to international law and against dozens and dozens of UN condemnations.
Wrong. Ahistorical.

Hamas no doubt uses that as pretext for their violence…but it's not "propaganda" to point it out….it's verifiably True
Wrong. They use it for western audiences. For their own realm, they use islamic pretexts, which are the real ones. (And you are totally clueless about them.)

[the General Assembly has adopted 140 resolutions criticizing Israel, mainly over its treatment of the Palestinian people, its relationships with neighboring countries, building settlements in the occupied territories, and other alleged wrongdoings by the Israeli military]
So what about the resolutions (most of which were passed decades ago during the Cold War? The UNGA is decidedly pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel, for obvious reasons.

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You will see the word "propaganda" a half-dozen times or less. I only mention it when it is clearly a factor, meaning, the poster has accepted as truth the propaganda memes of others. In this case, you clearly have.

You would impose upon Israel peace terms which would destroy Israel.

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1. What propaganda from Hamas have I accepted as true? Be specific

2. We have not even discussed peace terms. So how do you know they would "destroy Israel"?

Or do you think that any peace with the Palestinians is going to somehow destroy the powerful Nuclear armed Israeli state?

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See my long post above. You are wrong from arsehole to appetite.

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Your long post were said the long occupation of Palestinian land was quote "wrong, Ahistorical"?

If you can't admit that basic point then I'm not sure what you will acknowledge…

[Since the occupation first began in June 1967, Israel's ruthless policies of land confiscation, illegal settlement and dispossession, coupled with rampant discrimination, have inflicted immense suffering on Palestinians, depriving them of their basic rights.

Israel's military rule disrupts every aspect of daily life in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. It continues to affect whether, when and how Palestinians can travel to work or school, go abroad, visit their relatives, earn a living, attend a protest, access their farmland, or even access electricity or a clean water supply. It means daily humiliation, fear and oppression. People's entire lives are effectively held hostage by Israel.

Israel has also adopted a complex web of military laws to crush dissent against its policies, and senior government officials have branded Israelis advocating for Palestinian rights as "traitors".]

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/

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Twitter link is a good primer showing the ahistorical problem with your argument.

Israel would gladly live in peace. No statement is more true that Bibi's quote, below. Israel understands that it will never be at peace with islam, because islam cannot, will not ever tolerate a Jewish state in Arab lands. So it lives on the knife edge of delicate truce. As link shows, every time Israel is attacked, they incrementally improve their position. Note the final maps on the West Bank....look at that clear space along the Jordanian border. Israel needs a buffer. And they are building it. Not to engage in empire building. But to survive on a tiny piece of land from which the Jewish people first sprang into existence.

The Palestinians have a home - Jordan. Look at the demographics of Jordan. The Palestinians who don't want to live in peace amongst Jews have a place to go. Or they could just live where they are, in peace, in self-governing autonomous areas. It is abundantly clear going all the way back to the beginning that Israel never starts conflict with the Palestinians. It's always the other way around. Always. Because....islam. You should learn the etymology of the statement "...islam is a religion of peace...." It really is quite instructive. Only muslims can live in peace. Everyone else is at war. With islam.

"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel'"
--Bibi Netanyahu

Let’s go over the context of the maps.

UN partition plan: the entire southern portion is desert. The Jews get a strip of coast and an area of the Galilee - places they already had when under Ottoman/British rule. The Arabs also have everything to the north, south, and east -… https://t.co/GH2SHg3rjJ

— Dr. Benjamin Braddock (@GraduatedBen) October 9, 2023

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Here's what they did to her. Poster is wrong on ID. See tattoos….

🚨WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT

Israel is under attack.

Palestinians parading around the body of a young Israeli woman.

Joe Biden just gave them 6 billion dollars! He should be ashamed.

Pray for Israel #Israel #IsraelUnderAttack pic.twitter.com/oZk9Vgf4Ko

— Terrence K. Williams (@w_terrence) October 7, 2023

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Yea whiterock…it's a vicious savage race war over there.

The Israelis killed a little Arab boy just the other day.

The whole thing is terrible.

A pox on both their houses

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You see no difference between an accidental shooting and raping, killing and parading in the back of a pickup? They are both the same to you?

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Don't be obtuse.

I see what the whole world sees…an intractable ethnic-tribal conflict that has gone on for nearly the entire 20th century.

Both sides commit what any reasonable and moral person would call war crimes all the time.

A horrific conflict that no other nation should want anything to do with.

The Israelis have been occupying the West Bank against international law and oppressing the Palestinians for 70 years.

The Palestinians respond with savage terrorists attacks.

Neither side are heros….there are no "good guys" to root for in this human tragedy.

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You are going beyond obtuse and straight into Hamas propaganda.

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You have got to stopping yelling "muh enemy propaganda" at every point you don't like…it makes this website boring.

Israel has been occupying Palestinian land (specifically the West Bank) for 70 years contrary to international law and against dozens and dozens of UN condemnations.
Wrong. Ahistorical.

Hamas no doubt uses that as pretext for their violence…but it's not "propaganda" to point it out….it's verifiably True
Wrong. They use it for western audiences. For their own realm, they use islamic pretexts, which are the real ones. (And you are totally clueless about them.)

[the General Assembly has adopted 140 resolutions criticizing Israel, mainly over its treatment of the Palestinian people, its relationships with neighboring countries, building settlements in the occupied territories, and other alleged wrongdoings by the Israeli military]
So what about the resolutions (most of which were passed decades ago during the Cold War? The UNGA is decidedly pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel, for obvious reasons.

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You will see the word "propaganda" a half-dozen times or less. I only mention it when it is clearly a factor, meaning, the poster has accepted as truth the propaganda memes of others. In this case, you clearly have.

You would impose upon Israel peace terms which would destroy Israel.

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1. What propaganda from Hamas have I accepted as true? Be specific

2. We have not even discussed peace terms. So how do you know they would "destroy Israel"?

Or do you think that any peace with the Palestinians is going to somehow destroy the powerful Nuclear armed Israeli state?

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See my long post above. You are wrong from arsehole to appetite.

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Your long post were said the long occupation of Palestinian land was quote "wrong, Ahistorical"?

If you can't admit that basic point then I'm not sure what you will acknowledge…

[Since the occupation first began in June 1967, Israel's ruthless policies of land confiscation, illegal settlement and dispossession, coupled with rampant discrimination, have inflicted immense suffering on Palestinians, depriving them of their basic rights.

Israel's military rule disrupts every aspect of daily life in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. It continues to affect whether, when and how Palestinians can travel to work or school, go abroad, visit their relatives, earn a living, attend a protest, access their farmland, or even access electricity or a clean water supply. It means daily humiliation, fear and oppression. People's entire lives are effectively held hostage by Israel.

Israel has also adopted a complex web of military laws to crush dissent against its policies, and senior government officials have branded Israelis advocating for Palestinian rights as "traitors".]

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/

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Twitter link is a good primer showing the ahistorical problem with your argument.

Israel would gladly live in peace. No statement is more true that Bibi's quote, below. Israel understands that it will never be at peace with islam, because islam cannot, will not ever tolerate a Jewish state in Arab lands. So it lives on the knife edge of delicate truce. As link shows, every time Israel is attacked, they incrementally improve their position. Note the final maps on the West Bank....look at that clear space along the Jordanian border. Israel needs a buffer. And they are building it. Not to engage in empire building. But to survive on a tiny piece of land from which the Jewish people first sprang into existence.

The Palestinians have a home - Jordan. Look at the demographics of Jordan. The Palestinians who don't want to live in peace amongst Jews have a place to go. Or they could just live where they are, in peace, in self-governing autonomous areas. It is abundantly clear going all the way back to the beginning that Israel never starts conflict with the Palestinians. It's always the other way around. Always. Because....islam. You should learn the etymology of the statement "...islam is a religion of peace...." It really is quite instructive. Only muslims can live in peace. Everyone else is at war. With islam.

"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel'"
--Bibi Netanyahu

Let’s go over the context of the maps.

UN partition plan: the entire southern portion is desert. The Jews get a strip of coast and an area of the Galilee - places they already had when under Ottoman/British rule. The Arabs also have everything to the north, south, and east -… https://t.co/GH2SHg3rjJ

— Dr. Benjamin Braddock (@GraduatedBen) October 9, 2023

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But didn't the Arabs attack them in 67 and 73, Israel won and tool land. Now they are mad that Israel didn't jsut give it back? If they didn't attack, these lands would never be Israels.

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Navy Question.

We are moving the Ford into the Eastern Med. It is our most advanced carrier. Wasn't it having tech issues? Did they work those out?

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I hope Israel doesnt "accidentally" bomb our ship and blame Iran so that we will have to jump into this war.

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Navy Question.

We are moving the Ford into the Eastern Med. It is our most advanced carrier. Wasn't it having tech issues? Did they work those out?

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I hope Israel doesnt "accidentally" bomb our ship and blame Iran so that we will have to jump into this war.

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Funny, after Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria, we are probably better set up to deal with Hama and Hezbollah now than China...

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Didn't a bunch of attacks occur after Obama sent Iran pallets of billions in cash, too?

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GOP lie

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Saying Israel never started anything is pure fantasy. All you have to do is glance at recent history to understand why both sides hate each other.

Dumb people always want to reduce the world into right and wrong, black and white. In this conflict there is nobody without fault. And quite honestly the British giving Israel the land was pretty botched. Most of the current conflict comes from forcibly removing an entire people from land they held sacred. Of course people were fighting over the land millenia ago too.

I wonder how many Americans realize Israel still allows Muslims with machine guns to control parts of Jerusalem in recognition that they have a right to their sacred places too.

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The Arabs attack in 67 and 73 caused the botching. The Brits pretty much gave Israel won and tool land. Now they are mad that Israel didn't just give it back? If they didn't attack, these lands would never be Israels. The Arabs have made this much worse than what was done in 48.

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Saying Israel never started anything is pure fantasy. All you have to do is glance at recent history to understand why both sides hate each other.

Dumb people always want to reduce the world into right and wrong, black and white. In this conflict there is nobody without fault. And quite honestly the British giving Israel the land was pretty botched. Most of the current conflict comes from forcibly removing an entire people from land they held sacred. Of course people were fighting over the land millenia ago too.

I wonder how many Americans realize Israel still allows Muslims with machine guns to control parts of Jerusalem in recognition that they have a right to their sacred places too.

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You are some kind of ignorant of history and religion.

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Saying Israel never started anything is pure fantasy. All you have to do is glance at recent history to understand why both sides hate each other.

Dumb people always want to reduce the world into right and wrong, black and white. In this conflict there is nobody without fault. And quite honestly the British giving Israel the land was pretty botched. Most of the current conflict comes from forcibly removing an entire people from land they held sacred. Of course people were fighting over the land millenia ago too.

I wonder how many Americans realize Israel still allows Muslims with machine guns to control parts of Jerusalem in recognition that they have a right to their sacred places too.

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The Arabs attack in 67 and 73 caused the botching. The Brits pretty much gave Israel won and tool land. Now they are mad that Israel didn't just give it back? If they didn't attack, these lands would never be Israels. The Arabs have made this much worse than what was done in 48.

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Mad? No

Feel that Israel made a strategic mistake? Yes

They can't keep and hold millions of Palestinians under military occupation forever....most people who analyze the situation can clearly see that.

Israel whipped butt in 67 and 73 and its makes some sense that they would compensate themselves with some...key word some....Palestinian land. For instance East Jerusalem. Have a divided holy city was probably always gonna be a mistake anyway. And perhaps taken in some outlying areas around Jerusalem up into the West Bank.

"Israel captured East Jerusalem from Jordan during the 1967 Six-Day War and subsequently effectively annexed it into Jerusalem, together with additional surrounding territory. One of Israel's Basic Laws, the 1980 Jerusalem Law, refers to Jerusalem as the country's undivided capital."

But it was simply poor long term planning, a violation of international law, and a fools errand to try and militarily occupy the rest of the West Bank forever.

Ariel Sharon himself said that the long term occupation was a liability for Israel and something that simple could not achieve indefinitely even if they wanted to do so.

[Mr. Sharon endorsed a view Israel's left-wing has argued for years: Being in the Occupied Territories was more of a security liability than an asset. And, for the first time ever, Sharon said in 2003 that he wanted to end the occupation.

"It is not possible to continue holding 3-1/2 million people under occupation," he told Likud members in May 2003. "You may not like the word, but what's happening is occupation. This is a terrible thing for Israel, for the Palestinians, and for the Israeli economy."]

Biden's State Department, two years ago. https://t.co/54j5w6KDOJ

— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) October 9, 2023

Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Saying Israel never started anything is pure fantasy. All you have to do is glance at recent history to understand why both sides hate each other.

Dumb people always want to reduce the world into right and wrong, black and white. In this conflict there is nobody without fault. And quite honestly the British giving Israel the land was pretty botched. Most of the current conflict comes from forcibly removing an entire people from land they held sacred. Of course people were fighting over the land millenia ago too.

I wonder how many Americans realize Israel still allows Muslims with machine guns to control parts of Jerusalem in recognition that they have a right to their sacred places too.

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The Arabs attack in 67 and 73 caused the botching. The Brits pretty much gave Israel won and tool land. Now they are mad that Israel didn't just give it back? If they didn't attack, these lands would never be Israels. The Arabs have made this much worse than what was done in 48.

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Mad? No

Feel that Israel made a strategic mistake? Yes

They can't keep and hold millions of Palestinians under military occupation forever....most people who analyze the situation can clearly see that.

Israel whipped butt in 67 and 73 and its makes some sense that they would compensate themselves with some...key word some....Palestinian land. For instance East Jerusalem. Have a divided holy city was probably always gonna be a mistake anyway. And perhaps taken in some outlying areas around Jerusalem up into the West Bank.

"Israel captured East Jerusalem from Jordan during the 1967 Six-Day War and subsequently effectively annexed it into Jerusalem, together with additional surrounding territory. One of Israel's Basic Laws, the 1980 Jerusalem Law, refers to Jerusalem as the country's undivided capital."

But it was simply poor long term planning, a violation of international law, and a fools errand to try and militarily occupy the rest of the West Bank forever.

Ariel Sharon himself said that the long term occupation was a liability for Israel and something that simple could not achieve indefinitely even if they wanted to do so.

[Mr. Sharon endorsed a view Israel's left-wing has argued for years: Being in the Occupied Territories was more of a security liability than an asset. And, for the first time ever, Sharon said in 2003 that he wanted to end the occupation.

"It is not possible to continue holding 3-1/2 million people under occupation," he told Likud members in May 2003. "You may not like the word, but what's happening is occupation. This is a terrible thing for Israel, for the Palestinians, and for the Israeli economy."]

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All that may be true. The Israeli's don't see it that way. The alternative way to look at it. Is if you attack me, you will pay. We will take your land.

If you think Hamas is going to come out on top of this, you don't know the Israeli's. They got blindsided, their turn is coming. They won't keep them under Occupation, they will expel them and set up a border that will make Trump blush. In addition, Israel has bigger friends. Let's see how it plays out.