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In reply to ShooterTX • 11:04a, 10/17/23
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ron.reagan said:
Even if you could only bring over the good Palestinians you'd be increasing the density of bad ones in Gaza. If anything we should be sending some good ones back to do the opposite.
or maybe just send ALL of them back... better yet, send all muslims from America to Gaza, regardless of their original country. That way, you maximize the chances of getting good muslims into Gaza... assuming there is such a thing as a good muslim.

If people here don't reject your hate why would we expect palestians to reject hamas? Your evil comes from the same place.
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In reply to ron.reagan • 12:34p, 10/17/23
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ShooterTX said:
ron.reagan said:
Even if you could only bring over the good Palestinians you'd be increasing the density of bad ones in Gaza. If anything we should be sending some good ones back to do the opposite.
or maybe just send ALL of them back... better yet, send all muslims from America to Gaza, regardless of their original country. That way, you maximize the chances of getting good muslims into Gaza... assuming there is such a thing as a good muslim.

If people here don't reject your hate why would we expect palestians to reject hamas? Your evil comes from the same place.
There is nothing evil about pointing out evil.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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In reply to historian • 1:04p, 10/17/23
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Yep

I prefer not to describe the modern Left as "liberal" because it does not describe them. The classical definition of liberal is supporter of individual liberty & moral responsibility, limited government, free markets, rule of law, etc. Our modern Left is the opposite of all that. To be honest, the most accurate label for them is fascist.
I describe them as either leftoids or neoliberals.

Leftists make up younger millennials and gen z. Critical theorists and grown children. They don't have any real power and all their causes are being co opted by neoliberals.

Neoliberals are champagne "socialists", or your average democrat. They practice their narcissism by superficially acting like saviors. Literal sociopaths that don't actually care about the causes they claim to be for and instead only about how they're being perceived by others. They seek wealth, power and fame.
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In reply to historian • 1:13p, 10/17/23
historian said:
Yep

I prefer not to describe the modern Left as "liberal" because it does not describe them. The classical definition of liberal is supporter of individual liberty & moral responsibility, limited government, free markets, rule of law, etc. Our modern Left is the opposite of all that. To be honest, the most accurate label for them is fascist.
You are using Libera in the Milton Friedman sense of liberal. I am sure Capitalism and Freedom is not on their reading list.
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In reply to Bear8084 • 1:36p, 10/17/23
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They didn't get the WW they wanted with Ukraine so let's setup some false activities in Israel to start it. It's already been proven that some of the videos used by Media were from building collapses years ago. With the population density that exist in that area - more people should be dead as a result of the # of rockets supposedly been sent...

Another pipeline explosion...Hmm....


Take the tinfoil hat off.
You mean to tell me the most sophisticated country in the WORLD regarding security for 6 hours allowed entry into their country - C'mon. I've been to Israel and I've been to the Wall at Gaza. It's a fortress. Try a little more logic and reasoning before you keep eating up what the MSM is feeding you.
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In reply to BluesBear • 1:51p, 10/17/23
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Bear8084 said:
BluesBear said:
They didn't get the WW they wanted with Ukraine so let's setup some false activities in Israel to start it. It's already been proven that some of the videos used by Media were from building collapses years ago. With the population density that exist in that area - more people should be dead as a result of the # of rockets supposedly been sent...

Another pipeline explosion...Hmm....


Take the tinfoil hat off.
You mean to tell me the most sophisticated country in the WORLD regarding security for 6 hours allowed entry into their country - C'mon. I've been to Israel and I've been to the Wall at Gaza. It's a fortress. Try a little more logic and reasoning before you keep eating up what the MSM is feeding you.


You really should take it off sometime.
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In reply to BluesBear • 1:59p, 10/17/23
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Bear8084 said:
BluesBear said:
They didn't get the WW they wanted with Ukraine so let's setup some false activities in Israel to start it. It's already been proven that some of the videos used by Media were from building collapses years ago. With the population density that exist in that area - more people should be dead as a result of the # of rockets supposedly been sent...

Another pipeline explosion...Hmm....


Take the tinfoil hat off.
You mean to tell me the most sophisticated country in the WORLD regarding security for 6 hours allowed entry into their country - C'mon. I've been to Israel and I've been to the Wall at Gaza. It's a fortress. Try a little more logic and reasoning before you keep eating up what the MSM is feeding you.
Probably the same guys that let Japan fly across the ocean to decimate the US navy.
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In reply to ron.reagan • 2:02p, 10/17/23
ron.reagan said:
BluesBear said:
Bear8084 said:
BluesBear said:
They didn't get the WW they wanted with Ukraine so let's setup some false activities in Israel to start it. It's already been proven that some of the videos used by Media were from building collapses years ago. With the population density that exist in that area - more people should be dead as a result of the # of rockets supposedly been sent...

Another pipeline explosion...Hmm....


Take the tinfoil hat off.
You mean to tell me the most sophisticated country in the WORLD regarding security for 6 hours allowed entry into their country - C'mon. I've been to Israel and I've been to the Wall at Gaza. It's a fortress. Try a little more logic and reasoning before you keep eating up what the MSM is feeding you.
Probably the same guys that let Japan fly across the ocean to decimate the US navy.


No, it was the Capitol police who escorted the rioters into the Capitol
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In reply to Osodecentx • 2:06p, 10/17/23
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ron.reagan said:
BluesBear said:
Bear8084 said:
BluesBear said:
They didn't get the WW they wanted with Ukraine so let's setup some false activities in Israel to start it. It's already been proven that some of the videos used by Media were from building collapses years ago. With the population density that exist in that area - more people should be dead as a result of the # of rockets supposedly been sent...

Another pipeline explosion...Hmm....


Take the tinfoil hat off.
You mean to tell me the most sophisticated country in the WORLD regarding security for 6 hours allowed entry into their country - C'mon. I've been to Israel and I've been to the Wall at Gaza. It's a fortress. Try a little more logic and reasoning before you keep eating up what the MSM is feeding you.
Probably the same guys that let Japan fly across the ocean to decimate the US navy.


No, it was the Capitol police who escorted the rioters into the Capitol
Odd way, through a broken window. Nice try.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 2:07p, 10/17/23
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Jack Bauer said:
How lovely...




Are Boomers just now realizing that the mass immigration of 3rd world peoples has cultural and political consequences?


For all you IDF supporters I hope the cheap labor was worth it…because American policy on this conflict is going to switch hard over the next 40-50 years as the native voting block dies out and is replaced



It's quite possible that many of those younger, uninformed Americans will change their minds as the get older and wiser. It might not change as much as people expect.
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In reply to ron.reagan • 2:12p, 10/17/23
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Even if you could only bring over the good Palestinians you'd be increasing the density of bad ones in Gaza. If anything we should be sending some good ones back to do the opposite.

How could we be sure we were only getting the "good" Palestinians, if they even exist?
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In reply to historian • 2:14p, 10/17/23
historian said:
Redbrickbear said:
Jack Bauer said:
How lovely...




Are Boomers just now realizing that the mass immigration of 3rd world peoples has cultural and political consequences?


For all you IDF supporters I hope the cheap labor was worth it…because American policy on this conflict is going to switch hard over the next 40-50 years as the native voting block dies out and is replaced



It's quite possible that many of those younger, uninformed Americans will change their minds as the get older and wiser. It might not change as much as people expect.

Or support for Israel is ethnic/cultural thing in the modern USA

Wide support among Jewish voters in the Democratic party for Israel.

Wide support among native born White evangelical/protestant Christians in the GOP for Israel.

Thus a wide margin of support within the American political system in 2023.

As both of those groups die out and/or become much smaller parts of the electorate in 2063 will the American political system feel the same about the conflict? I doubt it

Will Jose from Honduras and Yusuf from Pakistan feel the same about the conflict as Ezra from Brooklyn and John from Lawton feel today? I doubt it
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In reply to ShooterTX • 2:15p, 10/17/23
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ron.reagan said:
Even if you could only bring over the good Palestinians you'd be increasing the density of bad ones in Gaza. If anything we should be sending some good ones back to do the opposite.
or maybe just send ALL of them back... better yet, send all muslims from America to Gaza, regardless of their original country. That way, you maximize the chances of getting good muslims into Gaza... assuming there is such a thing as a good muslim.

I think there probably are good Muslims, depending on how you define it. I don't think all Muslims are rabid Jew- or Christian-haters, wanting to kill as many as possible. They don't all support terrorism. Unfortunately too many do & it's not always easy to know which ones are peaceful & which are willing to celebrate the mass murder of innocents.
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In reply to Doc Holliday • 2:17p, 10/17/23
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historian said:
Yep

I prefer not to describe the modern Left as "liberal" because it does not describe them. The classical definition of liberal is supporter of individual liberty & moral responsibility, limited government, free markets, rule of law, etc. Our modern Left is the opposite of all that. To be honest, the most accurate label for them is fascist.
I describe them as either leftoids or neoliberals.

Leftists make up younger millennials and gen z. Critical theorists and grown children. They don't have any real power and all their causes are being co opted by neoliberals.

Neoliberals are champagne "socialists", or your average democrat. They practice their narcissism by superficially acting like saviors. Literal sociopaths that don't actually care about the causes they claim to be for and instead only about how they're being perceived by others. They seek wealth, power and fame.

That can describe modern fascism. I use the word in terms of ideology, the ideas motivating their actions. Narcissism might be one too.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 2:18p, 10/17/23
FLBear5630 said:
Osodecentx said:
ron.reagan said:
BluesBear said:
Bear8084 said:
BluesBear said:
They didn't get the WW they wanted with Ukraine so let's setup some false activities in Israel to start it. It's already been proven that some of the videos used by Media were from building collapses years ago. With the population density that exist in that area - more people should be dead as a result of the # of rockets supposedly been sent...

Another pipeline explosion...Hmm....


Take the tinfoil hat off.
You mean to tell me the most sophisticated country in the WORLD regarding security for 6 hours allowed entry into their country - C'mon. I've been to Israel and I've been to the Wall at Gaza. It's a fortress. Try a little more logic and reasoning before you keep eating up what the MSM is feeding you.
Probably the same guys that let Japan fly across the ocean to decimate the US navy.


No, it was the Capitol police who escorted the rioters into the Capitol
Odd way, through a broken window. Nice try.
Really diabolical, huh
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 2:18p, 10/17/23
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historian said:
Yep

I prefer not to describe the modern Left as "liberal" because it does not describe them. The classical definition of liberal is supporter of individual liberty & moral responsibility, limited government, free markets, rule of law, etc. Our modern Left is the opposite of all that. To be honest, the most accurate label for them is fascist.
You are using Libera in the Milton Friedman sense of liberal. I am sure Capitalism and Freedom is not on their reading list.

It's the Austrian School viewpoint which includes Friedrich von Hayek, Milton Friedman & Thomas Sowell, among others. I think it also includes Ludwig von Mises but I'm not as familiar with his writings.

It also alliance well with historical reality.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 2:20p, 10/17/23
No one today has any idea what the electorate will look like in 2062. We can only make guesses.
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In reply to historian • 2:30p, 10/17/23
historian said:
ShooterTX said:
ron.reagan said:
Even if you could only bring over the good Palestinians you'd be increasing the density of bad ones in Gaza. If anything we should be sending some good ones back to do the opposite.
or maybe just send ALL of them back... better yet, send all muslims from America to Gaza, regardless of their original country. That way, you maximize the chances of getting good muslims into Gaza... assuming there is such a thing as a good muslim.

I think there probably are good Muslims, depending on how you define it. I don't think all Muslims are rabid Jew- or Christian-haters, wanting to kill as many as possible. They don't all support terrorism. Unfortunately too many do & it's not always easy to know which ones are peaceful & which are willing to celebrate the mass murder of innocents.
Such a sheltered western view of the situation. Hamas protects Christians and depend on them to keep them in power. Palestinians groups are united defeating Zionism
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In reply to ron.reagan • 2:40p, 10/17/23
There are inherent dangers attributing to a group characteristics of some of its members, even if it's true for many or most.
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In reply to historian • 2:43p, 10/17/23
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There are inherent dangers and attributing to a group characteristics of some of its members, even if it's true for many or most.
Is that a Hitler quote about the jews?
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 4:01p, 10/17/23
Redbrickbear said:
Jack Bauer said:
How lovely...




Are Boomers just now realizing that the mass immigration of 3rd world peoples has cultural and political consequences?


For all you IDF supporters I hope the cheap labor was worth it…because American policy on this conflict is going to switch hard over the next 40-50 years as the native voting block dies out and is replaced




That 81% makes a lot of sense, considering that the fantasy of a people group called "Palestinians" was invented by an Egyptian Terrorist Con Artist in 1967. And he bilked the useful idiots out of $Billions and lined his own pockets with that scam. Those older folks remember. The vast majority of people alive today are too young and too stupid to realize the history books have been rewritten over the last 50 years.
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In reply to ron.reagan • 4:12p, 10/17/23
No. It's a statement of fact about the kind of thinking the Nazis were notorious for doing.
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In reply to ron.reagan • 4:17p, 10/17/23
ron.reagan said:
ShooterTX said:
ron.reagan said:
Even if you could only bring over the good Palestinians you'd be increasing the density of bad ones in Gaza. If anything we should be sending some good ones back to do the opposite.
or maybe just send ALL of them back... better yet, send all muslims from America to Gaza, regardless of their original country. That way, you maximize the chances of getting good muslims into Gaza... assuming there is such a thing as a good muslim.

If people here don't reject your hate why would we expect palestians to reject hamas? Your evil comes from the same place.


You are saying that racial profiling is the moral equivalent of being an accomplice to murder. Sure, Jan.
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In reply to BearN • 4:22p, 10/17/23
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ron.reagan said:
ShooterTX said:
ron.reagan said:
Even if you could only bring over the good Palestinians you'd be increasing the density of bad ones in Gaza. If anything we should be sending some good ones back to do the opposite.
or maybe just send ALL of them back... better yet, send all muslims from America to Gaza, regardless of their original country. That way, you maximize the chances of getting good muslims into Gaza... assuming there is such a thing as a good muslim.

If people here don't reject your hate why would we expect palestians to reject hamas? Your evil comes from the same place.


You are saying that racial profiling is the moral equivalent of being an accomplice to murder. Sure, Jan.

That is the essence of what American liberals have believed on race and crime for decades.

Even moderate to liberal politicians have to apologize for what everyone knows is true and what police policies actually work...

[Michael Bloomberg is distancing himself from a 2015 speech in which the former New York City mayor defended aggressive police tactics in minority neighborhoods.

Bloomberg made the remarks at the Aspen Institute on Feb. 5, 2015. In the audio, he can be heard saying: "95% of your murders and murderers and murder victims fit one M.O. You can just take the description and Xerox it and pass it out to all the cops. They are male minorities 15 to 25."
He continues: "That's true in New York. That's true in virtually every city in America. And that's where the real crime is. You've got to get the guns out of the hands of the people that are getting killed."

Bloomberg's idea of a solution? Flooding minority neighborhoods with law enforcement.

"People say, 'Oh my God, you are arresting kids for marijuana who are all minorities.' Yes, that's true. Why? Because we put all the cops in the minority neighborhoods. Yes, that's true. Why'd we do it? Because that's where all the crime is. And the way you should get the guns out of the kids' hands is throw them against the wall and frisk them," Bloomberg says.]
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So you are telling me that HAMAS did not know that (a) the Israelis would be on holiday on a Saturday at the end of Sukkot just like they were holiday on Yom Kippur and (b) there was a rave going on with a few thousand people only about three miles from the Gaza-Israel border?

That is what you want me to believe?
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 5:34p, 10/17/23
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BearN said:
ron.reagan said:
ShooterTX said:
ron.reagan said:
Even if you could only bring over the good Palestinians you'd be increasing the density of bad ones in Gaza. If anything we should be sending some good ones back to do the opposite.
or maybe just send ALL of them back... better yet, send all muslims from America to Gaza, regardless of their original country. That way, you maximize the chances of getting good muslims into Gaza... assuming there is such a thing as a good muslim.

If people here don't reject your hate why would we expect palestians to reject hamas? Your evil comes from the same place.


You are saying that racial profiling is the moral equivalent of being an accomplice to murder. Sure, Jan.

That is the essence of what American liberals have believed on race and crime for decades.

Even moderate to liberal politicians have to apologize for what everyone knows is true and what police policies actually work...

[Michael Bloomberg is distancing himself from a 2015 speech in which the former New York City mayor defended aggressive police tactics in minority neighborhoods.

Bloomberg made the remarks at the Aspen Institute on Feb. 5, 2015. In the audio, he can be heard saying: "95% of your murders and murderers and murder victims fit one M.O. You can just take the description and Xerox it and pass it out to all the cops. They are male minorities 15 to 25."
He continues: "That's true in New York. That's true in virtually every city in America. And that's where the real crime is. You've got to get the guns out of the hands of the people that are getting killed."

Bloomberg's idea of a solution? Flooding minority neighborhoods with law enforcement.

"People say, 'Oh my God, you are arresting kids for marijuana who are all minorities.' Yes, that's true. Why? Because we put all the cops in the minority neighborhoods. Yes, that's true. Why'd we do it? Because that's where all the crime is. And the way you should get the guns out of the kids' hands is throw them against the wall and frisk them," Bloomberg says.]


This is Israel-Hamas war thread. Is this relevant to that subject?
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In reply to historian • 5:43p, 10/17/23
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No. It's a statement of fact about the kind of thinking the Nazis were notorious for doing.
I don't even know what you were trying to say. There were a few grammar errors that could have given it opposite meanings
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In reply to BearN • 5:45p, 10/17/23
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ron.reagan said:
ShooterTX said:
ron.reagan said:
Even if you could only bring over the good Palestinians you'd be increasing the density of bad ones in Gaza. If anything we should be sending some good ones back to do the opposite.
or maybe just send ALL of them back... better yet, send all muslims from America to Gaza, regardless of their original country. That way, you maximize the chances of getting good muslims into Gaza... assuming there is such a thing as a good muslim.

If people here don't reject your hate why would we expect palestians to reject hamas? Your evil comes from the same place.


You are saying that racial profiling is the moral equivalent of being an accomplice to murder. Sure, Jan.
If I shared your affliction of fetal alcohol syndrome and thought muslim was a race I'd still go as far to say there is a huge difference between assuming black people in a white neighborhood are suspicious than saying a sentence like "assuming there such thing as a good black person".

So many people here are really so close to middle eastern people that I don't understand why our countries don't get along better.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 5:59p, 10/17/23
Is there anything less surprising than that embassy getting attacked? I would have hoped it was emptied a week ago
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Jordan be like "We already kicked them out once."
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