Netanyahu said "we are at war,"

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historian
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You used to be word "all" not me and I've already addressed this. Either you aren't reading my posts or you selecting bits & pieces out of context. Why keep wasting both of our time?
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Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.
historian
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Both excellent points. However, Judea & Samaria (usually labeled the West Bank) have not been independent since 2005, only Gaza has. The last point applies to lots of places surrounding Israel including the Sinai. As for Judea & Samaria, everyone might as well accept that they are part of Israel. Without them, the country's borders are untenable and the nation is not giving it up. Why should they? To appease terrorists who want to exterminate them and have been trying for decades?

The wiser Arabs have already accepted the reality of Israel & learned to live with it: Egypt, Jordan, and more recently with the Abraham Accords dome of the Gulf States. Saudi Arabia seemed ready to join the group of sane countries until Hamas created chaos again. Maybe that's why they attacked, at Iran's bidding. Iran was already largely isolated in the region. A Saudi-Israeli accommodation would only increase that isolation. They might even feared that the multinational arrangement could evolve into an alliance against them, as strange as that sounds. Iran is a bigger threat to everyone else in the region than Israel.
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FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal
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Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal
California, Utah, Nevada, New Mexico, and most of Arizona sure think so.
historian
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Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal

If you are trying to murder every last one of them, you bet they have the right to do whatever necessary to defend themselves.
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historian said:

Both excellent points. However, Judea & Samaria (usually labeled the West Bank) have not been independent since 2005, only Gaza has. The last point applies to lots of places surrounding Israel including the Sinai. As for Judea & Samaria, everyone might as well accept that they are part of Israel. Without them, the country's borders are untenable and the nation is not giving it up. Why should they? To appease terrorists who want to exterminate them and have been trying for decades?

The wiser Arabs have already accepted the reality of Israel & learned to live with it: Egypt, Jordan, and more recently with the Abraham Accords dome of the Gulf States. Saudi Arabia seemed ready to join the group of sane countries until Hamas created chaos again. Maybe that's why they attacked, at Iran's bidding. Iran was already largely isolated in the region. A Saudi-Israeli accommodation would only increase that isolation. They might even feared that the multinational arrangement could evolve into an alliance against them, as strange as that sounds. Iran is a bigger threat to everyone else in the region than Israel.
All dead on. I agree.
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Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal
If you attack your neighbor and they take your land you expect to get it back? No harm, no foul? Let's keep doing it until we get it right? You have been playing too many video games!

Yes, you attack and lose, you lose the land forever. That is how war works, that is why you don't do stuff like Hamas and the PLO have done. Gaza is a perfect example, you kill a nations citizens people tend to take it personally.

Israel has treated Hama and the Palestinians better than they would treat the Israelis.
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FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal
If you attack your neighbor and they take your land you expect to get it back? No harm, no foul? Let's keep doing it until we get it right? You have been playing too many video games!

Yes, you attack and lose, you lose the land forever. That is how war works, that is why you don't do stuff like Hamas and the PLO have done. Gaza is a perfect example, you kill a nations citizens people tend to take it personally.

Israel has treated Hama and the Palestinians better than they would treat the Israelis.


Not to mention, Egypt and Jordan occupied the West Bank and Gaza before 1967. I guess that was ok

Also Israel doesn't occupy all of West Bank.

And, yes, Arabs massacred Jews before and after WW2, supported the Nazis in WW2, went to war against Israel in '48 and '67, continued to commit numerous terrorist attacks after '67, including Intifadas, and yet, Israel is the bad guy for "occupying." Many countries would have wiped Palestine off the map.

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sombear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal
If you attack your neighbor and they take your land you expect to get it back? No harm, no foul? Let's keep doing it until we get it right? You have been playing too many video games!

Yes, you attack and lose, you lose the land forever. That is how war works, that is why you don't do stuff like Hamas and the PLO have done. Gaza is a perfect example, you kill a nations citizens people tend to take it personally.

Israel has treated Hama and the Palestinians better than they would treat the Israelis.


Not to mention, Egypt and Jordan occupied the West Bank and Gaza before 1967. I guess that was ok

Also Israel doesn't occupy all of West Bank.

And, yes, Arabs massacred Jews before and after WW2, supported the Nazis in WW2, went to war against Israel in '48 and '67, continued to commit numerous terrorist attacks after '67, including Intifadas, and yet, Israel is the bad guy for "occupying." Many countries would have wiped Palestine off the map.


I don't see any of their Arab brothers offering them residence. There is a reason for that, the Palestinians and their terror groups are nothing but problems. Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, hell even Iran could take them in and create a Palestinian State tomorrow.
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FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal
If you attack your neighbor and they take your land you expect to get it back? No harm, no foul? Let's keep doing it until we get it right? You have been playing too many video games!

Yes, you attack and lose, you lose the land forever. That is how war works, that is why you don't do stuff like Hamas and the PLO have done. Gaza is a perfect example, you kill a nations citizens people tend to take it personally.

Israel has treated Hama and the Palestinians better than they would treat the Israelis.

Israel has reseated the Palestinian people better than Hamas does: Hamas was shooting people trying to flee while Israel protected the exit. One group us civilized they other is not.
historian
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Almost every other country in history.
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FLBear5630 said:

sombear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal
If you attack your neighbor and they take your land you expect to get it back? No harm, no foul? Let's keep doing it until we get it right? You have been playing too many video games!

Yes, you attack and lose, you lose the land forever. That is how war works, that is why you don't do stuff like Hamas and the PLO have done. Gaza is a perfect example, you kill a nations citizens people tend to take it personally.

Israel has treated Hama and the Palestinians better than they would treat the Israelis.


Not to mention, Egypt and Jordan occupied the West Bank and Gaza before 1967. I guess that was ok

Also Israel doesn't occupy all of West Bank.

And, yes, Arabs massacred Jews before and after WW2, supported the Nazis in WW2, went to war against Israel in '48 and '67, continued to commit numerous terrorist attacks after '67, including Intifadas, and yet, Israel is the bad guy for "occupying." Many countries would have wiped Palestine off the map.


I don't see any of their Arab brothers offering them residence. There is a reason for that, the Palestinians and their terror groups are nothing but problems. Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, hell even Iran could take them in and create a Palestinian State tomorrow.

Actually, they may have good reasons to reject them:

https://rumble.com/v3tnsi6-heres-why-no-muslim-majority-nations-want-palestinians-in-their-countries.html
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historian said:

FLBear5630 said:

sombear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

Quote:

There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal
If you attack your neighbor and they take your land you expect to get it back? No harm, no foul? Let's keep doing it until we get it right? You have been playing too many video games!

Yes, you attack and lose, you lose the land forever. That is how war works, that is why you don't do stuff like Hamas and the PLO have done. Gaza is a perfect example, you kill a nations citizens people tend to take it personally.

Israel has treated Hama and the Palestinians better than they would treat the Israelis.


Not to mention, Egypt and Jordan occupied the West Bank and Gaza before 1967. I guess that was ok

Also Israel doesn't occupy all of West Bank.

And, yes, Arabs massacred Jews before and after WW2, supported the Nazis in WW2, went to war against Israel in '48 and '67, continued to commit numerous terrorist attacks after '67, including Intifadas, and yet, Israel is the bad guy for "occupying." Many countries would have wiped Palestine off the map.


I don't see any of their Arab brothers offering them residence. There is a reason for that, the Palestinians and their terror groups are nothing but problems. Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, hell even Iran could take them in and create a Palestinian State tomorrow.

Actually, they may have good reasons to reject them:

https://rumble.com/v3tnsi6-heres-why-no-muslim-majority-nations-want-palestinians-in-their-countries.html
Oh no doubt. The Palestinians will never be satisfied or willing to take control of their condition. They had Gaza for almost 20 years and built nothing.
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KaiBear
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Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?
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KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.
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This war is bloody and very goofy all at the same time


historian
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Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.

No one said it was stolen except you. Once again, you selective chose ideas to respond to. That's another standard propaganda tactic.

Serious questions:

1. Does Israel have a right to exist?
2. Does Israel have a right to defend itself from attackers determined to murder as many Israelis as possible?
historian
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Redbrickbear said:

This war is bloody and very goofy all at the same time




Most wars are.
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historian said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.

No one said it was stolen except you. Once again, you selective chose ideas to respond to. That's another standard propaganda tactic.


What was your implication with that statement then?

Indians used to own America..Arabs used to own Palestine…that changed through peaceful interaction?

Maybe you just did not think through the statement at all and thought it was a lot smarter than it was
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Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.


Your anti Jewish rhetoric is getting weirder by the week.

Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.

Be it in the Middle East, North America or Central Europe.

But for reasons you obviously don't care to mention; you somehow only notice the actions of the Jews.

Curious.

Are you married to a Muslim or was your great grandfather in the KKK ?

Because your hatred of Jews is obvious.
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KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

Quote:

There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.



Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.

.


I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?

Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?

That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it
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Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

Quote:

There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.



Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.

.


I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?

Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?

That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it



Israel isn't conquering anyone in 2023. They have tried to give land to the Arabs, with very little success. They left Gaza entirely but that didn't work. The Palestinians are the ones who do not want peace. They are the ones who want ethnic cleansing.
Israel has pursued a 2 state solution for decades, but the Palestinians have rejected the idea over and over again.
ShooterTX
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Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

Quote:

There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.



Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.

.


I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?

Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?

That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it


That very thing is going on in Ukraine, could be happening soon in Asia, and (at some point) will happen to us. That is LITERALLY how all of human history works.

They gave back land they won that they could lay claim to as well.

The Iraq war (for Iraqis) was about re-capturing the old 13th province and its oil reserves.

ALL land in all of time (save Manhattan which we bought fair and square in a totally equitable trade). You're not a resident leftist so I'm confident you know this already which means you don't reject the facts, you reject the people doing it.

I don't see any Americans offering up their north Dallas McMansions to a Native American since it's "stolen land" and all.
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Redbrickbear said:

Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?

That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it



Even if some misguided souls want to bring that back, such a world is unsustainable in a post Hiroshima world. There are too many fools in DC and Brussels for whom that event is a meaningless footnote in a high school history textbook and not a species defining event.
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Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

Quote:

There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.



Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.

.


I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?

Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?

That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it



Hypocrite

The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .

By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.

And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.





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Realitybites said:

Redbrickbear said:

Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?

That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it



Even if some misguided souls want to bring that back, such a world is unsustainable in a post Hiroshima world. There are too many fools in DC and Brussels for whom that event is a meaningless footnote in a high school history textbook and not a species defining event.


The hydrogen bombs possessed by Russia, USA , England , France and a host of other countries make the primitive device dropped on Hiroshima look like a firecracker by comparison.

However it has been almost 65 years since the last above ground detonation of a hydrogen bomb.

Few, truly comprehend their destructive power or their threat to the survival of humankind.
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KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

Quote:

There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.



Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.

.


I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?

Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?

That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it



Hypocrite

The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .

By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.

And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.








So now you are using the word stolen.

Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?

Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?

Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?
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ShooterTX said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

Quote:

There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.



Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.

.


I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?

Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?

That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it



Israel isn't conquering anyone in 2023.



No, they are just endlessly engaged in a never ending military occupation of millions of Palestinians.

(Some thing that is not sustainable)
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Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

Quote:

There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.



Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.

.


I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?

Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?

That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it



Hypocrite

The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .

By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.

And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.








So now you are using the word stolen.

Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?

Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?

Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?
If the Native Americans decided they want their land back and choose to commit terrorist attacks against the colonizers, I just hope that these white liberal college aged goofballs skip class to protest and show support for the Indians who slaughter their friends and family.
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Whiskey Pete said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

Quote:

There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.



Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.

.


I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?

Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?

That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it



Hypocrite

The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .

By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.

And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.








So now you are using the word stolen.

Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?

Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?

Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?
If the Native Americans decided they want their land back and choose to commit terrorist attacks against the colonizers, I just hope that these white liberal college aged goofballs skip class to protest and show support for the Indians who slaughter their friends and family.
Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream will sponsor the brief conflict if it is shown on network television.
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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

Whiskey Pete said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

Quote:

There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.



Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.

.


I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?

Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?

That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it



Hypocrite

The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .

By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.

And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.








So now you are using the word stolen.

Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?

Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?

Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?
If the Native Americans decided they want their land back and choose to commit terrorist attacks against the colonizers, I just hope that these white liberal college aged goofballs skip class to protest and show support for the Indians who slaughter their friends and family.
Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream will sponsor the brief conflict if it is shown on network television.
With new flavors like "Chief Bear Claw Caramel" or "Sitting Bull Buttercup" or "Crazy Horse Honey Dew"
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Redbrickbear said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

Realitybites said:

Quote:

There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.
What Nation wasn't???? People have been around for a long time, pretty much everywhere on the planet has been conquered, reconquered, split-up and someone got screwed. Way that doesn't happen is be strong enough to prevent it...
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There isn't anything more Nazi than that.

I absolutely hate people using the label "Nazi" when referring to modern political movements. And although I fall into the habit myself occasionally, it's intellectually lazy. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte was something tied to a specific place and a specific time. It had specific characteristics. Using the term creates all sorts of cognitive dissonance - like how Ukranian nationalists who espouse 21st century fascism can work with a Jewish president to commit national suicide.

Anti-Semitism - or perhaps more accurately Anti-Zionism for our day - isn't something that automatically has to be tied in to all fascist movements.

Speaking of fascism, has anyone bothered looking at the development of oligopolies and monopolies driven by corporate M&A activity along with the behavior of national police agencies in a formerly representative republic near you?

I was making a valid historic comparison as someone who actually understands somewhat the intricacies of fascism, nazism, etc. Still, most people are aware of some basic facts about the Nazis including the Holocaust.


All Palestinians are Nazis is propaganda and I think you know it


They haven't lived under occupation since 2005. They also seem to forget they were occupied because they attacked Israel and lost.


1. Israel never pulled out of the West Bank…they pulled out of Gaza.

2. So if you lose a war against Israel they get to occupy your country forever?

Hell of a deal


Your house is located on land that once belonged to Indians.

When are you going to quit claim your deed over to one ?


So you are admitting Israel is built on land stolen through military conquest?

I'm not sure how you think a comparison like that is helpful to your buddies in Tel Aviv.

It's that very comparison of Israel as a violent settler expansionist entity that has turned the American Left and institutional liberals against the State.



Almost ALL land has been won and lost by force of arms throughout history.

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I'm not sure I understand what you are arguing… because land has been stolen throughout human history it's ok for Israeli settlers to do it today in 2023?

Bring back the good ole bloody days of ethnic based tribal conquest?

That might be the world you want to live in but most people reject it



Hypocrite

The ground your house sits on was 'stolen' .

By one Indian tribe from another. Until finally the Europeans took it from the Indians.

And eventually your little slice of dirt will be 'stolen' by some other group.








So now you are using the word stolen.

Ok, the past being what it is and all….should the USA steal more Indian land in 2023?

Should our Army occupy the last reservations and brutalize the local population?

Should we let settlers establish new settlements on the land and shoot rubber bullets and billy club Indians if they protest?

If the native Americans on a reservation decided to take a trip to Norman Oklahoma and slaughter hundreds of people I would absolutely stand behind the demolition of those people as well as any measures designed to make sure they couldn't do it again. As would any sane, rational person.
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