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Netanyahu said "we are at war,"
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It is a democracy and individuals from across the religious spectrum have, and still do, serve. No requirement to serve other than to win an election. Most Israeli Christians, about 1.9% of the total population, are Arabs.Titus and Titus said:historian said:
We support Israel because they are our allies. It's also in our interest to support the freest, most stable, most prosperous country in the region. The are the one country in that region most like us. Finally, it's the right thing to do gif all kinds of moral and cultural reasons.
If it's a Democracy how many Christians are in the Knesset?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset#Past_members
There is a "possibility" that upcoming U.S. retaliatory strikes will involve B-1B Lancer's.
— Global: Military-Info (@Global_Mil_Info) February 2, 2024
Two, maybe three B-1Bs jumped the pond and it seems that KC-135s from the UK are currently on their way to RV with them outside of Spain.
It is still unclear, but important to note. pic.twitter.com/elULn5riVZ
Do love me a show of air superiority
Literally broadcasting to the enemy that this is their last chance to run and hide so they don't get hurt: https://t.co/LUv9DrGZai
— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) February 2, 2024
Cobretti said:Literally broadcasting to the enemy that this is their last chance to run and hide so they don't get hurt: https://t.co/LUv9DrGZai
— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) February 2, 2024
Interesting because RAF Lakenheath does not house B1 units. It's a fighter squadron. F15E and F35As. I know every square inch of that place.
A Senior U.S. Official has stated that the American-Led Air Campaign against the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and Iranian-Backed Groups in Iraq and Syria is now Underway.
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) February 2, 2024
Nailed it. Official reports surfaced 10 minutes before the NYSE closed.boognish_bear said:A Reminder that there most likely won’t be U.S. Strikes tonight in Iraq and Syria, with Officials waiting until the Stock and Oil Market has Closed tomorrow for the Weekend sometime after 5pm EST.
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) February 1, 2024
CNN, Fox, and Reuters appear to have finally Confirmed that U.S. Strikes are ongoing against Iranian and Iranian-Backed Sites in Eastern Syria and Iraq, the only problem is that they have already been ongoing for 35 Minutes.
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) February 2, 2024
Airstrikes by Fighter and Bomber Aircraft of the U.S. Air Force are continuing against Iranian Positions in Eastern Syria and Iraq, with Officials stating that the 8-12 Sites which have been Targeted within the last hour are “Just the Beginning.”
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) February 2, 2024
The US has so flagrantly telegraphed their punch as to be laughable.
Obviously Biden is more concerned about offending Iran than protecting our soldiers.
Obviously Biden is more concerned about offending Iran than protecting our soldiers.
Secondary Rocket Munitions seen “Cooking-Off” from an Iranian Arms Site within the Town of Al-Qa'im in Western Iraq following U.S. Airstrikes. pic.twitter.com/WQsF9rJSMF
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) February 2, 2024
BREAKING:
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) February 2, 2024
US confirms it has struck 85 targets in Iraq and Syria tonight, including Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (Iranian) positions. pic.twitter.com/QZc0JhJcVa
America responds to terrorism at the place and time of our choosing. We chose to strike 85 places simultaneously in two countries to tell the Iranian regime that the #IRGC is just the start … & we didn’t break a sweat doing it.
— Malcolm Nance (@MalcolmNance) February 3, 2024
Redbrickbear said:nein51 said:
..:Should have thought about that before killing a bunch of women and children.
I assume you are talking about both sides?
He's talking about Hamas who started this war by indiscriminately murdering men, women & children in a totally barbaric manner. Every single death in this war is on their hands, including the deaths of people in Gaza.
If the want it to end, the can do so immediately by releasing all hostages, laying down their arms, & surrendering. They don't care about the people they lead. They are on their own crusade to destroy Israel & do to the east of Israel what they did to some in October 7.
It is insane to suggest Israel should make any concessions or stop fighting when they are winning and their enemy is so genocidal.
historian said:Redbrickbear said:nein51 said:
..:Should have thought about that before killing a bunch of women and children.
I assume you are talking about both sides?
He's talking about Hamas who started this war by indiscriminately murdering men, women & children in a totally barbaric manner. Every single death in this war is on their hands...
I get what you're saying but just don't agree.
This war has been going on a lot longer before Oct. 6th
It's been a tit for tat ethnic struggle since 1948 (probably before that)
boognish_bear said:America responds to terrorism at the place and time of our choosing. We chose to strike 85 places simultaneously in two countries to tell the Iranian regime that the #IRGC is just the start … & we didn’t break a sweat doing it.
— Malcolm Nance (@MalcolmNance) February 3, 2024
Is that fat **** back from Ukraine?
Redbrickbear said:boognish_bear said:America responds to terrorism at the place and time of our choosing. We chose to strike 85 places simultaneously in two countries to tell the Iranian regime that the #IRGC is just the start … & we didn’t break a sweat doing it.
— Malcolm Nance (@MalcolmNance) February 3, 2024
Is that fat **** back from Ukraine?
To his credit, at least he went over there if only to stage some photos to look like he was doing something.
None of the Slava Ukraini's on this board like Trey or ATLbear did ***** They want other people to pay for and die for their wars.
I'm still waiting for one of the pro-Israel/Israel is our greatest ally guys to respond to my previous post:
Israel destroys the USS Liberty and kills 34 American servicemen in 1967 and instead of our leaders vowing to avenge the deaths of our people, they were rewarded with over $1 trillion, when adjusted for inflation, in economic and military aid. Why?
Israel destroys the USS Liberty and kills 34 American servicemen in 1967 and instead of our leaders vowing to avenge the deaths of our people, they were rewarded with over $1 trillion, when adjusted for inflation, in economic and military aid. Why?
So Biden's strategy appears to be this: "Biden has finally begun his retaliatory attacks, hitting targets in Syria and Iraq. But sources claim that almost every target was known in advance and evacuated,". So launch a bunch of expensive Tomahawks at meaningless targets without any tactical effect. Make it look like you are avenging the deaths of the three who "died for this administration" for the upcoming election.
Meanwhile "The United States is actively pursuing the establishment of an independent Palestinian state with security guarantees for Israel and exploring options with partners in the region, the State Department spokesperson said on Wednesday.
Whitehouse Spokesman Matthew Miller confirmed.
He says the carrot is "security guarantees for Israel". You have to understand how politi-speak works. In diplomatic/political terms, "security guarantees" is translated as: 'bribes'. It effectively means, we'll give you x amount of billions of dollars for weapons if you do what we say.
A new WaPo piece confirms these developments by adding that Blinken will soon head to the MidEast to try to finalize this deal by convincing Saudi Arabia to agree to normalize its relations with Israel on the express condition that Israel not only fully ends the Gaza conflict, but commits to creating a Palestinian state which includes Gaza and the West Bank.
Secretary of State Antony Blinken plans to travel to the Middle East soon. He'll probably stop first in Saudi Arabia, where he hopes for a renewed pledge from Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to normalize relations with Israel if and only if Israel ends the Gaza conflict and commits to the eventual creation of a Palestinian state that includes Gaza and the West Bank."
So this avoids War with Iran, theoretically. The question is how the Israeli Likud will respond. Go along with this, or pre-empt the plan with an attack on southern Lebanon to broaden the war (or as stated in the previous message, a USS Liberty type incident).
Meanwhile "The United States is actively pursuing the establishment of an independent Palestinian state with security guarantees for Israel and exploring options with partners in the region, the State Department spokesperson said on Wednesday.
Whitehouse Spokesman Matthew Miller confirmed.
He says the carrot is "security guarantees for Israel". You have to understand how politi-speak works. In diplomatic/political terms, "security guarantees" is translated as: 'bribes'. It effectively means, we'll give you x amount of billions of dollars for weapons if you do what we say.
A new WaPo piece confirms these developments by adding that Blinken will soon head to the MidEast to try to finalize this deal by convincing Saudi Arabia to agree to normalize its relations with Israel on the express condition that Israel not only fully ends the Gaza conflict, but commits to creating a Palestinian state which includes Gaza and the West Bank.
Secretary of State Antony Blinken plans to travel to the Middle East soon. He'll probably stop first in Saudi Arabia, where he hopes for a renewed pledge from Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to normalize relations with Israel if and only if Israel ends the Gaza conflict and commits to the eventual creation of a Palestinian state that includes Gaza and the West Bank."
So this avoids War with Iran, theoretically. The question is how the Israeli Likud will respond. Go along with this, or pre-empt the plan with an attack on southern Lebanon to broaden the war (or as stated in the previous message, a USS Liberty type incident).
The_barBEARian said:
I'm still waiting for one of the pro-Israel/Israel is our greatest ally guys to respond to my previous post:
Israel destroys the USS Liberty and kills 34 American servicemen in 1967 and instead of our leaders vowing to avenge the deaths of our people, they were rewarded with over $1 trillion, when adjusted for inflation, in economic and military aid. Why?
Good reminder.
After all these years of financial aid to Israel it's time to put our own citizens first.
Especially all our service veterans suffering from PTSD and homelessness.
Redbrickbear said:I rarely praise the Guardian but this is a extraordinary visual investigation of the sheer level of destruction in Gaza:https://t.co/8tj0ktPp6M
— Arnaud Bertrand (@RnaudBertrand) January 31, 2024
Absolutely crystal clear when you look through it that the objective is to render the place utterly inhabitable, and destroy… pic.twitter.com/GtVOqVfUJb
Alternatively, maybe the defenders systematically used every woman, child, and civilian building to hide behind as they gave up as little ground as possible to draw out the war.
It does seem Israel is being much less discriminatory than normal, but they are at war. Hamas hiding behind civilians is what makes the death tally so horrific.
I am plenty willing to blame Israel for plenty, but as you say, this is the latest in a tit for tat, and if Israel all the suddenly stops its tit, the tat would eventually overwhelm and destroy them.
KaiBear said:
The US has so flagrantly telegraphed their punch as to be laughable.
Obviously Biden is more concerned about offending Iran than protecting our soldiers.
Removing tactical capability while reducing the loss of life is par for the course, but if days of B-1 bombings ensue with 85 targets hit every day, I'd call it an appropriate response of overwhelming strength.
What caused this was basically a joke. Child's play, and embarrassing that it worked. It wasn't a siege or invasion. Avoiding war with Iran is key, which the admimistration seems to be doing.
Obviously to give Biden too much credit for this would be dumb. The military has these sorts of missions ready at all times. But at the same time, any Republicans president sends bombers to bomb these militant targets over a period of days, you guys jump for joy.
The British Army once ransacked Washington DC and the White House. Are you still angry at them, too?The_barBEARian said:
I'm still waiting for one of the pro-Israel/Israel is our greatest ally guys to respond to my previous post:
Israel destroys the USS Liberty and kills 34 American servicemen in 1967 and instead of our leaders vowing to avenge the deaths of our people, they were rewarded with over $1 trillion, when adjusted for inflation, in economic and military aid. Why?
....since the 7th century.Redbrickbear said:historian said:Redbrickbear said:nein51 said:
..:Should have thought about that before killing a bunch of women and children.
I assume you are talking about both sides?
He's talking about Hamas who started this war by indiscriminately murdering men, women & children in a totally barbaric manner. Every single death in this war is on their hands...
I get what you're saying but just don't agree.
This war has been going on a lot longer before Oct. 6th
It's been a tit for tat ethnic struggle since 1948 (probably before that)
Someone is going to win, and someone is going to lose battles and wars. It's pretty easy to see the outcomes that are better for us.
Redbrickbear said:historian said:Redbrickbear said:nein51 said:
..:Should have thought about that before killing a bunch of women and children.
I assume you are talking about both sides?
He's talking about Hamas who started this war by indiscriminately murdering men, women & children in a totally barbaric manner. Every single death in this war is on their hands...
I get what you're saying but just don't agree.
This war has been going on a lot longer before Oct. 6th
It's been a tit for tat ethnic struggle since 1948 (probably before that)
In reality, it goes back 4,000 years to Abraham & Sarah being impatient with God do he had Ishmael with Hagar, Sarah's servant. Ishmael is father of the Arabs.
But the current situation began on October 7 when Hamas violated a ceasefire in place. Israel was at peace with her neighbors at unprecedented levels, thanks to the Abraham Accords (appropriately named). Some of the Gulf States had recently joined and talks were underway with Saudi Arabia.
The targets were known in advance because Biden revealed them.
Good point but it's 200+ years vs 50+ years.
whiterock said:The British Army once ransacked Washington DC and the White House. Are you still angry at them, too?The_barBEARian said:
I'm still waiting for one of the pro-Israel/Israel is our greatest ally guys to respond to my previous post:
Israel destroys the USS Liberty and kills 34 American servicemen in 1967 and instead of our leaders vowing to avenge the deaths of our people, they were rewarded with over $1 trillion, when adjusted for inflation, in economic and military aid. Why?
If our politicians were transferring billions of dollars from American taxpayers to the British every year while they built settlements in Ireland and waged ethnic war with their local Celtic enemies ….some of us might start asking questions at the very least
Had dinner last night with a long time best friend and retired army colonel.
Asked him what he thought of all the recent US air strikes.
Replied they were a total joke . That we had sent repeated warnings where and when the strikes would be. Said it all was a meaningless political show.
He also felt there was still some kind of political connection running between OBAMA ( through Biden ) with the Iranian leadership.
' Review the money transfers '.
Asked him what he thought of all the recent US air strikes.
Replied they were a total joke . That we had sent repeated warnings where and when the strikes would be. Said it all was a meaningless political show.
He also felt there was still some kind of political connection running between OBAMA ( through Biden ) with the Iranian leadership.
' Review the money transfers '.
KaiBear said:
Had dinner last night with a long time best friend and retired army colonel.
Asked him what he thought of all the recent US air strikes.
Replied they were a total joke . That we had sent repeated warnings where and when the strikes would be. Said it all was a meaningless political show.
He also felt there was still some kind of political connection running between OBAMA ( through Biden ) with the Iranian leadership.
' Review the money transfers '.
Before we can even consider this guy's opinion and how well informed it is, we need to know how much money he makes, what is his post-service occupation, and has he sired any younglings?
I have a childhood friend flying F35s and will get his input. What branch is this colonel from?
Porteroso said:KaiBear said:
Had dinner last night with a long time best friend and retired army colonel.
Asked him what he thought of all the recent US air strikes.
Replied they were a total joke . That we had sent repeated warnings where and when the strikes would be. Said it all was a meaningless political show.
He also felt there was still some kind of political connection running between OBAMA ( through Biden ) with the Iranian leadership.
' Review the money transfers '.
Before we can even consider this guy's opinion and how well informed it is, we need to know how much money he makes, what is his post-service occupation, and has he sired any younglings?
I have a childhood friend flying F35s and will get his input. What branch is this colonel from?
I listen intently to the Colonels viewpoints as he has been very successful in his post retirement real estate ventures, volunteers helping others throughout the country via his Church, has cared devotedly to his wife of 45 years who suffered a horrible stroke 3 years ago. ( saw her walk unaided for the first time last night ) and somehow managed to keep all of his children alive despite 2 of them making disastrous life choices.
As a result I hold the Colonel in extremely high regard and consider his opinions worth respecting.
You in the other hand persist in demonstrating a ridiculously immature, uninformed and hopelessly entitled persona.
Suspect your parents did their best to protect you, but the resulting adult is highly unlikely to accomplish jack.
Which is why I have zero respect for you or your viewpoints .
That makes a lot more sense than most of the garbage from the professional liars in the media.
historian said:
That makes a lot more sense than most of the garbage from the professional liars in the media.
The Colonel served his country throughout the world for 25 years. His wife is a wonderful southern lady. One of the finest women I have ever known. Like her husband she is a devout Christian. Her Faith has helped her rebuild from the stroke.
His eldest son followed in his Dads footsteps also reaching the rank of colonel.