Netanyahu said "we are at war,"

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J.R. said:

yesterday's attack by Israel was beyond the pale. How can the live with themselves bombing schools (I do understand that Hezbollah inhabits theses places). However that POS Bibi is a thug. Cut those mffers off 100%. We sent those savages $3B yesterday. Hope you good tax payers are ok with that.
If legitimate military targets are infesting a building; why is it ' beyond the pale' to bomb the building ?
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Realitybites said:

FLBear5630 said:

Let's talk about the ethnic American shared culture in a Nation of Immigrant?


America is not a nation of immigrants.

It was a nation built by settlers who then opened the door for immigrants to come to a nation with defined borders and governance with the expectation that these immigrants would become part of the established American nation.

What is going on currently isn't immigration. It is an invasion.

That's a better, more accurate description.
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FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

Semantics? Not all. Words have meaning.

Settler: as in pioneer, a person who settles in a new region

Immigrant: someone who leaves one country to live in another.

Illegal alien: a foreign person who lives in a country without having official permission to live there
What percent of the "Settlers" were born outside of the US? You are mixing concepts and taking only the positive from each.

For years, the US had basically no "immigration" laws, so people flowed over the borders daily. This illegal alien concept is a modern concept and less than 100 years old. Want to play word games, OK. If it is as you say a Nation of Settlers, the US was looted from indigenous people through a pattern of force and genocide. Your model has no place for incorporating people into the US, but subjugating them and the concept of illegal alien came about after the Imperial US and other Western Nations stopped colonizing and investing is those areas. Never took you for a liberal


I prefer that the US IS a Nation of immigrants and that there is a place for everyone in that society. But, you go with the Imperial Settler model.



That's mainly because modern immigration laws are modern. We didn't have many such laws for the first 100+ years of our history because we had a small population but lots of land. We wanted more people coming. Also, the people who were coming were mostly the same as the people already here so there was no cultural disruption. Today both of those aspects are flipped: we have a large population without vast quantities of unsettled land (actually we still have lots of land but the greenies don't want it developed) and the people coming now are radically different with no plans to assimilate. Instead they expect us to conform to their practices and ideas. It is more properly described as an invasion.
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Both sides offered slaves their freedom for fighting and both sides reneged on the offer.

The French were allied to the US, mainly because they wanted revenge after losing the French and Indian War (aka the Seven Years War in Europe and elsewhere which cost them most of their empire) and Spain was allied to France over European grievances. France's role was crucial to US victory but I don't think large numbers of Frenchmen actually fought in the war until near the end. I don't think the Spanish participated in any of our battles.
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For most of the early history of the US, immigrants coming to America were overwhelmingly white Anglo-Saxon Protestant (Wasp's). There were a significant number of Irish Catholics that came in the 1840s due to the potato famine but they were not always welcomed. There was considerable resistance including the rise of the Know Nothings along with general bigotry & suspicion. Many businesses refused to hire the Irish, for example.
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Spanish aid was mostly indirect. I don't think they have the new nation much if anything. However, they did help their ally France because the two countries shared common attitudes and resentment against the British.
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KaiBear said:

J.R. said:

yesterday's attack by Israel was beyond the pale. How can the live with themselves bombing schools (I do understand that Hezbollah inhabits theses places). However that POS Bibi is a thug. Cut those mffers off 100%. We sent those savages $3B yesterday. Hope you good tax payers are ok with that.
If legitimate military targets are infesting a building; why is it ' beyond the pale' to bomb the building ?

Because of Jew hatred ... duh.
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historian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

Semantics? Not all. Words have meaning.

Settler: as in pioneer, a person who settles in a new region

Immigrant: someone who leaves one country to live in another.

Illegal alien: a foreign person who lives in a country without having official permission to live there
What percent of the "Settlers" were born outside of the US? You are mixing concepts and taking only the positive from each.

For years, the US had basically no "immigration" laws, so people flowed over the borders daily. This illegal alien concept is a modern concept and less than 100 years old. Want to play word games, OK. If it is as you say a Nation of Settlers, the US was looted from indigenous people through a pattern of force and genocide. Your model has no place for incorporating people into the US, but subjugating them and the concept of illegal alien came about after the Imperial US and other Western Nations stopped colonizing and investing is those areas. Never took you for a liberal


I prefer that the US IS a Nation of immigrants and that there is a place for everyone in that society. But, you go with the Imperial Settler model.



That's mainly because modern immigration laws are modern. We didn't have many such laws for the first 100+ years of our history because we had a small population but lots of land. We wanted more people coming. Also, the people who were coming were mostly the same as the people already here so there was no cultural disruption. Today both of those aspects are flipped: we have a large population without vast quantities of unsettled land (actually we still have lots of land but the greenies don't want it developed) and the people coming now are radically different with no plans to assimilate. Instead they expect us to conform to their practices and ideas. It is more properly described as an invasion.
Exactly. But, they still came form somewhere else.

As for assimilate? How many decades did it take for the Italians in NY, Germans in PA, Chinese in CA, Cubans in FL to assimilate? An argument can be made that they haven't yet, it is happening but very slowly. Go to Motte Street in Little Italy in NY it is down to a block or so. Go to Chinatown in NY of SF, still highly non-assimilated and they came in the 1800's. Go Lancaster, PA and tell me how well they assimilated.

This is not a new problem, it is a migration problem. To say the early immigrants, when most of our families came, were Settlers and those today are illegal immigrants does not resonate.
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historian said:

Spanish aid was mostly indirect. I don't think they have the new nation much if anything. However, they did help their ally France because the two countries shared common attitudes and resentment against the British.
No, Spain spent troops and won some key battles. Frech sent thousands also.
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historian said:

Spanish aid was mostly indirect. I don't think they have the new nation much if anything. However, they did help their ally France because the two countries shared common attitudes and resentment against the British.
Agreed

Spanish aid was most often indirect.

Such as allowing French and Yankee ships to use their ports in the Carrabean.
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J.R. said:

Realitybites said:

FLBear5630 said:

Let's talk about the ethnic American shared culture in a Nation of Immigrant?


America is not a nation of immigrants.

It was a nation built by settlers who then opened the door for immigrants to come to a nation with defined borders and governance with the expectation that these immigrants would become part of the established American nation.

What is going on currently isn't immigration. It is an invasion.
No, you are absolutely incorrect. We are all immigrants unless you are Native Indian...


Interesting enough they were "immigrants" as well.

Indian tribal groups immigrated from other places as well (Siberia mostly)

Coming over in fact in multiple waves.

(Not to mention they endlessly fought and killed each other over land and hunting grounds for millennia)







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ATL Bear said:

It was also White Anglo Saxon Protestants that were oppressing us, fought against us, executed us, and pillaged our country. They fought us again later on as well multiple times. So I ask, why does WASP matter?


1. Well those WASPy Brits were just trying to put down a rebellious secessionist movement that was illegal under British law

I think you have told us several times how you don't like secessionists and rebels.

So you can't really hate on them for that right?

2. I think you know well that it matters in terms of replacing the historic population of a country with another.

If Israel opened its borders to mass migration from Africa or the Islamic world then it would no longer be Israel right?

You guys who want closed borders for Israel and open borders for the West are some strange cats
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historian said:

For most of the early history of the US, immigrants coming to America were overwhelmingly white Anglo-Saxon Protestant (Wasp's). There were a significant number of Irish Catholics that came in the 1840s due to the potato famine but they were not always welcomed. There was considerable resistance including the rise of the Know Nothings along with general bigotry & suspicion. Many businesses refused to hire the Irish, for example.


Interesting post on Twitter that relates to our current talk on here….







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Redbrickbear said:

J.R. said:

Realitybites said:

FLBear5630 said:

Let's talk about the ethnic American shared culture in a Nation of Immigrant?


America is not a nation of immigrants.

It was a nation built by settlers who then opened the door for immigrants to come to a nation with defined borders and governance with the expectation that these immigrants would become part of the established American nation.

What is going on currently isn't immigration. It is an invasion.
No, you are absolutely incorrect. We are all immigrants unless you are Native Indian...


Interesting enough they were "immigrants" as well.

Indian tribal groups immigrated from other places as well (Siberia mostly)

Coming over in fact in multiple waves.

(Not to mention they endlessly fought and killed each other over land and hunting grounds for millennia)










And Indians fought with each other for possession of the land for centuries.

Continuing to displace prior occupants of the land through force of arms.

Until they finally lost the land to Europeans….again by force of arms.
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KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

J.R. said:

Realitybites said:

FLBear5630 said:

Let's talk about the ethnic American shared culture in a Nation of Immigrant?


America is not a nation of immigrants.

It was a nation built by settlers who then opened the door for immigrants to come to a nation with defined borders and governance with the expectation that these immigrants would become part of the established American nation.

What is going on currently isn't immigration. It is an invasion.
No, you are absolutely incorrect. We are all immigrants unless you are Native Indian...


Interesting enough they were "immigrants" as well.

Indian tribal groups immigrated from other places as well (Siberia mostly)

Coming over in fact in multiple waves.

(Not to mention they endlessly fought and killed each other over land and hunting grounds for millennia)










And Indians fought with each other for possession of the land for centuries.

Continuing to displace prior occupants of the land through force of arms.

Until they finally lost the land to Europeans….again by force of arms.


And Homo Sapiens fought with Neanderthals. Can we frame the conversation to the last 500 years?

Migrated across the land bridge in the Bearing Sea in an immigration discussion? If we were in a bar, you would have to do a shot...

I apologize Red if it was taken the wrong way, it was not meant that way. BU apparently not the joke around and tease each other types.

: ) : ) : ) : 0 \_/... CLEAR ENOUGH?
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Redbrickbear said:

ATL Bear said:

It was also White Anglo Saxon Protestants that were oppressing us, fought against us, executed us, and pillaged our country. They fought us again later on as well multiple times. So I ask, why does WASP matter?


1. Well those WASPy Brits were just trying to put down a rebellious secessionist movement that was illegal under British law

I think you have told us several times how you don't like secessionists and rebels.

So you can't really hate on them for that right?

2. I think you know well that it matters in terms of replacing the historic population of a country with another.

If Israel opened its borders to mass migration from Africa or the Islamic world then it would no longer be Israel right?

You guys who want closed borders for Israel and open borders for the West are some strange cats
Weird take since those aren't my opinions, and your racialist historicity is irrelevant.
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J.R. said:

yesterday's attack by Israel was beyond the pale. How can the live with themselves bombing schools (I do understand that Hezbollah inhabits theses places). However that POS Bibi is a thug. Cut those mffers off 100%. We sent those savages $3B yesterday. Hope you good tax payers are ok with that.


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FLBear5630 said:

historian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

Semantics? Not all. Words have meaning.

Settler: as in pioneer, a person who settles in a new region

Immigrant: someone who leaves one country to live in another.

Illegal alien: a foreign person who lives in a country without having official permission to live there
What percent of the "Settlers" were born outside of the US? You are mixing concepts and taking only the positive from each.

For years, the US had basically no "immigration" laws, so people flowed over the borders daily. This illegal alien concept is a modern concept and less than 100 years old. Want to play word games, OK. If it is as you say a Nation of Settlers, the US was looted from indigenous people through a pattern of force and genocide. Your model has no place for incorporating people into the US, but subjugating them and the concept of illegal alien came about after the Imperial US and other Western Nations stopped colonizing and investing is those areas. Never took you for a liberal


I prefer that the US IS a Nation of immigrants and that there is a place for everyone in that society. But, you go with the Imperial Settler model.



That's mainly because modern immigration laws are modern. We didn't have many such laws for the first 100+ years of our history because we had a small population but lots of land. We wanted more people coming. Also, the people who were coming were mostly the same as the people already here so there was no cultural disruption. Today both of those aspects are flipped: we have a large population without vast quantities of unsettled land (actually we still have lots of land but the greenies don't want it developed) and the people coming now are radically different with no plans to assimilate. Instead they expect us to conform to their practices and ideas. It is more properly described as an invasion.
Exactly. But, they still came form somewhere else.

As for assimilate? How many decades did it take for the Italians in NY, Germans in PA, Chinese in CA, Cubans in FL to assimilate? An argument can be made that they haven't yet, it is happening but very slowly. Go to Motte Street in Little Italy in NY it is down to a block or so. Go to Chinatown in NY of SF, still highly non-assimilated and they came in the 1800's. Go Lancaster, PA and tell me how well they assimilated.

This is not a new problem, it is a migration problem. To say the early immigrants, when most of our families came, were Settlers and those today are illegal immigrants does not resonate.

The term "illegal immigrant" today describes those who violate our immigration laws to come here. The term is literal and accurate. The settlers of the past didn't violate our laws because we didn't have the same legal structure for immigration. This goes back to the original point of a small country vs a large one.
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Thanks for sharing. Those are very interesting maps.
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sombear said:

J.R. said:

yesterday's attack by Israel was beyond the pale. How can the live with themselves bombing schools (I do understand that Hezbollah inhabits theses places). However that POS Bibi is a thug. Cut those mffers off 100%. We sent those savages $3B yesterday. Hope you good tax payers are ok with that.




This tactic has been repeated over and over again ever since October 7 and long before as well. The fascist media parrot the lies of Islamofascist propagandists because they are essentially the same in their fascism and their hatred of Israel. They even use many of the same propaganda techniques.
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FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

J.R. said:

Realitybites said:

FLBear5630 said:

Let's talk about the ethnic American shared culture in a Nation of Immigrant?


America is not a nation of immigrants.

It was a nation built by settlers who then opened the door for immigrants to come to a nation with defined borders and governance with the expectation that these immigrants would become part of the established American nation.

What is going on currently isn't immigration. It is an invasion.
No, you are absolutely incorrect. We are all immigrants unless you are Native Indian...


Interesting enough they were "immigrants" as well.

Indian tribal groups immigrated from other places as well (Siberia mostly)

Coming over in fact in multiple waves.

(Not to mention they endlessly fought and killed each other over land and hunting grounds for millennia)










And Indians fought with each other for possession of the land for centuries.

Continuing to displace prior occupants of the land through force of arms.

Until they finally lost the land to Europeans….again by force of arms.


And Homo Sapiens fought with Neanderthals. Can we frame the conversation to the last 500 years?

Your poor wife... Is she ever allowed to be right? Migrated across the land bridge in the Bearing Sea in an immigration discussion? If we were in a bar, you would have to do a shot...

This was a friendly discussion over an unimportant topic .

Yet you felt compelled to make a totally vicious comment regarding me and my wife ?

You are completely out of line here and not for the first time.

Not sure what is the cause of your insecurities, but please do not include me in your therapy any longer .

Have a nice day.
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ATL Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

ATL Bear said:

It was also White Anglo Saxon Protestants that were oppressing us, fought against us, executed us, and pillaged our country. They fought us again later on as well multiple times. So I ask, why does WASP matter?


1. Well those WASPy Brits were just trying to put down a rebellious secessionist movement that was illegal under British law

I think you have told us several times how you don't like secessionists and rebels.

So you can't really hate on them for that right?

2. I think you know well that it matters in terms of replacing the historic population of a country with another.

If Israel opened its borders to mass migration from Africa or the Islamic world then it would no longer be Israel right?

You guys who want closed borders for Israel and open borders for the West are some strange cats
Weird take since those aren't my opinions, and your racialist historicity is irrelevant.

What exactly is "racalist historicity"....how would define that...and how exactly is that something you attribute to me

And you dodged the question...

If Israel opened its borders to mass migration from Africa or the Islamic world then it would no longer be Israel right? Is that a accurate or inaccurate statement?
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KaiBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

J.R. said:

Realitybites said:

FLBear5630 said:

Let's talk about the ethnic American shared culture in a Nation of Immigrant?


America is not a nation of immigrants.

It was a nation built by settlers who then opened the door for immigrants to come to a nation with defined borders and governance with the expectation that these immigrants would become part of the established American nation.

What is going on currently isn't immigration. It is an invasion.
No, you are absolutely incorrect. We are all immigrants unless you are Native Indian...


Interesting enough they were "immigrants" as well.

Indian tribal groups immigrated from other places as well (Siberia mostly)

Coming over in fact in multiple waves.

(Not to mention they endlessly fought and killed each other over land and hunting grounds for millennia)










And Indians fought with each other for possession of the land for centuries.

Continuing to displace prior occupants of the land through force of arms.

Until they finally lost the land to Europeans….again by force of arms.


And Homo Sapiens fought with Neanderthals. Can we frame the conversation to the last 500 years?

Your poor wife... Is she ever allowed to be right? Migrated across the land bridge in the Bearing Sea in an immigration discussion? If we were in a bar, you would have to do a shot...

This was a friendly discussion over an unimportant topic .

Yet you felt compelled to make a totally vicious comment regarding me and my wife ?

You are completely out of line here and not for the first time.

Not sure what is the cause of your insecurities, but please do not include me in your therapy any longer .

Have a nice day.
My comment was not vicious. It was a joking around with a guy who gives me a hard time too. I thought the shot comment pretty much shows it was joking as you wouldn't be sitting around talking in a bar with people you don't like or are trying to be vicious. Do you hang around guys much? Giving each other **** when you discuss stuff is a pretty time honored tradition.

By the way, if that was vicious you must have went through your military service constantly butt sore and preaching at people...
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Redbrickbear said:

ATL Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

ATL Bear said:

It was also White Anglo Saxon Protestants that were oppressing us, fought against us, executed us, and pillaged our country. They fought us again later on as well multiple times. So I ask, why does WASP matter?


1. Well those WASPy Brits were just trying to put down a rebellious secessionist movement that was illegal under British law

I think you have told us several times how you don't like secessionists and rebels.

So you can't really hate on them for that right?

2. I think you know well that it matters in terms of replacing the historic population of a country with another.

If Israel opened its borders to mass migration from Africa or the Islamic world then it would no longer be Israel right?

You guys who want closed borders for Israel and open borders for the West are some strange cats
Weird take since those aren't my opinions, and your racialist historicity is irrelevant.

What exactly is "racalist historicity"....how would define that...and how exactly is that something you attribute to me

And you dodged the question...

If Israel opened its borders to mass migration from Africa or the Islamic world then it would no longer be Israel right? Is that an accurate or inaccurate statement?
Your racialist historicity is your constant posting of historical demographics that get brought unnecessarily into conversations.

And Israel would be Israel regardless of what their immigration policy is because it's a nation. It might be different culturally or otherwise, but it would still be Israel.
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FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

J.R. said:

Realitybites said:

FLBear5630 said:

Let's talk about the ethnic American shared culture in a Nation of Immigrant?


America is not a nation of immigrants.

It was a nation built by settlers who then opened the door for immigrants to come to a nation with defined borders and governance with the expectation that these immigrants would become part of the established American nation.

What is going on currently isn't immigration. It is an invasion.
No, you are absolutely incorrect. We are all immigrants unless you are Native Indian...


Interesting enough they were "immigrants" as well.

Indian tribal groups immigrated from other places as well (Siberia mostly)

Coming over in fact in multiple waves.

(Not to mention they endlessly fought and killed each other over land and hunting grounds for millennia)










And Indians fought with each other for possession of the land for centuries.

Continuing to displace prior occupants of the land through force of arms.

Until they finally lost the land to Europeans….again by force of arms.


And Homo Sapiens fought with Neanderthals. Can we frame the conversation to the last 500 years?

Your poor wife... Is she ever allowed to be right? Migrated across the land bridge in the Bearing Sea in an immigration discussion? If we were in a bar, you would have to do a shot...

This was a friendly discussion over an unimportant topic .

Yet you felt compelled to make a totally vicious comment regarding me and my wife ?

You are completely out of line here and not for the first time.

Not sure what is the cause of your insecurities, but please do not include me in your therapy any longer .

Have a nice day.
My comment was not vicious. It was a joking around with a guy who gives me a hard time too. I thought the shot comment pretty much shows it was joking as you wouldn't be sitting around talking in a bar with people you don't like or are trying to be vicious. Do you hang around guys much? Giving each other **** when you discuss stuff is a pretty time honored tradition.

By the way, if that was vicious you must have went through your military service constantly butt sore and preaching at people...


In or out of a combat unit it isn't a healthy idea to make snide comments about another guys wife.

That you still haven't figured this out even at your age says it all.

Look to others for your free internet therapy.

Adios.


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ATL Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

ATL Bear said:

Redbrickbear said:

ATL Bear said:

It was also White Anglo Saxon Protestants that were oppressing us, fought against us, executed us, and pillaged our country. They fought us again later on as well multiple times. So I ask, why does WASP matter?


1. Well those WASPy Brits were just trying to put down a rebellious secessionist movement that was illegal under British law

I think you have told us several times how you don't like secessionists and rebels.

So you can't really hate on them for that right?

2. I think you know well that it matters in terms of replacing the historic population of a country with another.

If Israel opened its borders to mass migration from Africa or the Islamic world then it would no longer be Israel right?

You guys who want closed borders for Israel and open borders for the West are some strange cats
Weird take since those aren't my opinions, and your racialist historicity is irrelevant.

What exactly is "racalist historicity"....how would define that...and how exactly is that something you attribute to me

And you dodged the question...

If Israel opened its borders to mass migration from Africa or the Islamic world then it would no longer be Israel right? Is that an accurate or inaccurate statement?
Your racialist historicity is your constant posting of historical demographics that get brought unnecessarily into conversations.

And Israel would be Israel regardless of what their immigration policy is because it's a nation. It might be different culturally or otherwise, but it would still be Israel.


1. Demographics are often relevant to the topic…wars, economics, etc….not sure of the specific situation you think was unwarranted or unnecessary.

2. You think "Israel would be Israel" with replacing the Jews of Israel with Somali Muslims…and would by magic not be completely transformed? That is a very interesting take

I think are confusing the continuance of a State with the continuance of a Nation.

PS

You still did not give me a definition of what "racialist historicity" is…..
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This will not end well for Iran

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KaiBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

J.R. said:

Realitybites said:

FLBear5630 said:

Let's talk about the ethnic American shared culture in a Nation of Immigrant?


America is not a nation of immigrants.

It was a nation built by settlers who then opened the door for immigrants to come to a nation with defined borders and governance with the expectation that these immigrants would become part of the established American nation.

What is going on currently isn't immigration. It is an invasion.
No, you are absolutely incorrect. We are all immigrants unless you are Native Indian...


Interesting enough they were "immigrants" as well.

Indian tribal groups immigrated from other places as well (Siberia mostly)

Coming over in fact in multiple waves.

(Not to mention they endlessly fought and killed each other over land and hunting grounds for millennia)










And Indians fought with each other for possession of the land for centuries.

Continuing to displace prior occupants of the land through force of arms.

Until they finally lost the land to Europeans….again by force of arms.


And Homo Sapiens fought with Neanderthals. Can we frame the conversation to the last 500 years?

Your poor wife... Is she ever allowed to be right? Migrated across the land bridge in the Bearing Sea in an immigration discussion? If we were in a bar, you would have to do a shot...

This was a friendly discussion over an unimportant topic .

Yet you felt compelled to make a totally vicious comment regarding me and my wife ?

You are completely out of line here and not for the first time.

Not sure what is the cause of your insecurities, but please do not include me in your therapy any longer .

Have a nice day.
My comment was not vicious. It was a joking around with a guy who gives me a hard time too. I thought the shot comment pretty much shows it was joking as you wouldn't be sitting around talking in a bar with people you don't like or are trying to be vicious. Do you hang around guys much? Giving each other **** when you discuss stuff is a pretty time honored tradition.

By the way, if that was vicious you must have went through your military service constantly butt sore and preaching at people...


In or out of a combat unit it isn't a healthy idea to make snide comments about another guys wife.

That you still haven't figured this out even at your age says it all.

Look to others for your free internet therapy.

Adios.





Hey, *******. I cracked on him, not his wife and he is a big boy. He does need you scrawny ass to fight his battles. He has a problem, send a message. Please put me on ignore so I don't have to be exposed to your arrogant BS spewing crap.

Have a nice night, dick.
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