🚨 Breaking: Muhammad Afif, Hezbollah's Spokesman, was eliminated.
— Dr. Eli David (@DrEliDavid) November 18, 2024
The microphones were not harmed. pic.twitter.com/3NK9I7gjEZ
LIB,MR BEARS said:
barBEARian, sorry for your loss🚨 Breaking: Muhammad Afif, Hezbollah's Spokesman, was eliminated.
— Dr. Eli David (@DrEliDavid) November 18, 2024
The microphones were not harmed. pic.twitter.com/3NK9I7gjEZ
"a couple billion of my tax dollars" Dude, if you've paid in a couple billion in taxes, you either need a new accountant, need to get to the paid side of the site or, both.The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
barBEARian, sorry for your loss🚨 Breaking: Muhammad Afif, Hezbollah's Spokesman, was eliminated.
— Dr. Eli David (@DrEliDavid) November 18, 2024
The microphones were not harmed. pic.twitter.com/3NK9I7gjEZ
They probably only needed to steal a couple billion of my tax dollars to eliminate him!
What a great ROI....
LIB,MR BEARS said:"a couple billion of my tax dollars" Dude, if you've paid in a couple billion in taxes, you either need a new accountant, need to get to the paid side of the site or, both.The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
barBEARian, sorry for your loss🚨 Breaking: Muhammad Afif, Hezbollah's Spokesman, was eliminated.
— Dr. Eli David (@DrEliDavid) November 18, 2024
The microphones were not harmed. pic.twitter.com/3NK9I7gjEZ
They probably only needed to steal a couple billion of my tax dollars to eliminate him!
What a great ROI....
PS…if that couple billion is correct, we all expect you to fork over some NIL money and make sure we hang on to Bryson and Sawyer.
they/them/(collective)my, got it. I didn't know you were part of that group for Palestine.The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:"a couple billion of my tax dollars" Dude, if you've paid in a couple billion in taxes, you either need a new accountant, need to get to the paid side of the site or, both.The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
barBEARian, sorry for your loss🚨 Breaking: Muhammad Afif, Hezbollah's Spokesman, was eliminated.
— Dr. Eli David (@DrEliDavid) November 18, 2024
The microphones were not harmed. pic.twitter.com/3NK9I7gjEZ
They probably only needed to steal a couple billion of my tax dollars to eliminate him!
What a great ROI....
PS…if that couple billion is correct, we all expect you to fork over some NIL money and make sure we hang on to Bryson and Sawyer.
The collective "my"..... but rather than sending money to Israel or Ukraine I should be getting tax cuts.
I think the last year has proven that the threats of Hezbollah and Iran were greatly exaggerated to the American public and Israel should be paying us back every dollar they have taken with interest.
If they were just going to indiscriminately drop bombs all over people, they could have achieved the same results without the $30 billion aid package we sent them last year.
LIB,MR BEARS said:they/them/(collective)my, got it. I didn't know you were part of that group for Palestine.The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:"a couple billion of my tax dollars" Dude, if you've paid in a couple billion in taxes, you either need a new accountant, need to get to the paid side of the site or, both.The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
barBEARian, sorry for your loss🚨 Breaking: Muhammad Afif, Hezbollah's Spokesman, was eliminated.
— Dr. Eli David (@DrEliDavid) November 18, 2024
The microphones were not harmed. pic.twitter.com/3NK9I7gjEZ
They probably only needed to steal a couple billion of my tax dollars to eliminate him!
What a great ROI....
PS…if that couple billion is correct, we all expect you to fork over some NIL money and make sure we hang on to Bryson and Sawyer.
The collective "my"..... but rather than sending money to Israel or Ukraine I should be getting tax cuts.
I think the last year has proven that the threats of Hezbollah and Iran were greatly exaggerated to the American public and Israel should be paying us back every dollar they have taken with interest.
If they were just going to indiscriminately drop bombs all over people, they could have achieved the same results without the $30 billion aid package we sent them last year.
Also, your definition and my definition of "indiscriminately" at quite different. The pagers, the radios, the successful targeting of terrorist leadership all seem to be the furthest thing from "indiscriminately dropping bombs."
Maccabi fans are well known for causing violence in other cities. Here they are brutalizing an Egyptian man in Greece last spring:whiterock said:One can also zoom out to check plausibility - there are 1.5m people in greater Amsterdam, and 6.6% of them are muslims, approx 99k in total. Is it plausible that 3k foreign soccer fans would get so giddy in victory that they would engage in an entire night of violence against 99k Dutch muslims living in Amsterdam so severe that it prompted city-wide curfews? Or does it seem more reasonable that the presence of 3k reveling Jews offended the sensibilities of 99k Amsterdam muslims enough to provoke pent up outrage over what's happening in Gaza? Smart money would be on scenarios resembling the latter.The_barBEARian said:whiterock said:only in your mindSam Lowry said:But that isn't what happened. There is evidence of organized and ongoing violence by the Israelis.whiterock said:the twisted logic is trying to equate rowdy Jewish fans who tussled momentarily with Palestinian protestors with hours of violence organized by muslims to target Jews throughout the city.Sam Lowry said:I read through that stack of sources you posted earlier. If you'd done the same, you would know that the trouble didn't start with Palestinians attacking Maccabi fans after the match.whiterock said:You have a profound reading comprehension error. The Amsterdam Mayor, and the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King did not call Netanyahu to demand an apology for widespread rioting by Jews which targeted Dutch muslims. They called Netanyahu to apologize for widespread rioting by Dutch muslims which targeted Jews.Sam Lowry said:I didn't realize you thought you'd "exposed" anything with that rant. Was there something in the Times video that was wrong? If so, what?whiterock said:LOL so your response to having your gaslighting exposed is to put up a video of a Palestinian journalist trying to blame rowdy Jewish soccer fans for sparking days of mobs stalking Jews thru the capital of Amsterdam which required a state of emergency and public apologies to the state of Israel from the mayor of Amsterdam, the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King, and the arrest of over a hundred "non-Jews."Sam Lowry said:
I must commend your fearlessness in tossing out objectionable propaganda of pariah states/groups. Few are cut out for that. Whatever you lack in skill is more than offset by enthusiasm.
And LOL at "rowdy" fans...very J6 of you. They were attacking police, taxis, and Palestinian homes with metal pipes and rocks.
You even missed the context. The conflict was not at all soccer hooliganism. Maccabi did not play a soccer team from a Muslim country, or even a pro-muslim team. They played Ajax, a team with "Jewish associations," whose fans often wave Israeli flags at games. The conflict was organized by Palestinian demonstrators who scuffled with Maccabi fans leaving the stadium then used social media to coordinate organized counter-attacks against Maccabi fans ALL NIGHT LONG. That's why the Dutch are apologizing to Israel.
You're trying to make the case that because a handful of Maccabi fans had the temerity to scuffle with the poor Palestinian demonstrators outside the stadium, the Jews deserved a night of being chased thru the streets of Amsterdam on a scale that resulted in hundreds of arrests and apologies being issued to Israel by highest levels of Dutch political leadership. It's comically weak conspiratorial nonsense, but then the moths are often unable to resist the allure of the flame.
I didn't say it did. I said it didn't matter how the trouble started. What mattered was the muslim response to it....all night long...targeting Jews throughout the city.....all night long.
In fact local authorities said the atmosphere outside the stadium was relatively calm. The first violence occurred the night before, when Israelis attacked a taxi driver and vandalized Palestinian homes.
Sorry, buddy. There is no evidence Jews organized to course through the streets all night long looking for Jews to beat, no matter how hard you try to stretch....
How you get from that to "Jews deserved to be chased through the streets" is a mystery. More of your twisted logic of retribution, I guess. Reasonable people can see that there was fault on both sides.
No one on this board was physically there and knows for a certainty what happened.
The question becomes do you trust the Netanyahu's Israeli government and corporate news media?
I do not.
what a great big blob of ironic drivel.The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
barBEARian, sorry for your loss🚨 Breaking: Muhammad Afif, Hezbollah's Spokesman, was eliminated.
— Dr. Eli David (@DrEliDavid) November 18, 2024
The microphones were not harmed. pic.twitter.com/3NK9I7gjEZ
They probably only needed to steal a couple billion of my tax dollars to eliminate him!
What a great ROI....
FIFYwhiterock said:what a great big blob of ironic drivel:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
barBEARian, sorry for your loss🚨 Breaking: Muhammad Afif, Hezbollah's Spokesman, was eliminated.
— Dr. Eli David (@DrEliDavid) November 18, 2024
The microphones were not harmed. pic.twitter.com/3NK9I7gjEZ
They probably only needed to steal a couple billion of my tax dollars to eliminate him!
What a great ROI....
You constantly refer to the USS Liberty friendly-fire incident with (faux-)righteous indignation as a way of justifying your animus against Israel, yet completely ignore that Hizballah has killed THOUSANDS of American citizens, each one of them done in coldly calculated strikes against the Great Satan (us). Israel publicly apologized and paid millions of dollars of restitution to the families of those killed in the Liberty incident, to the wounded survivors, and to the USG for damage to the ship. Hizballah, on the other hand, has cheered each one the deaths they have inflicted on us with public paroxysms of ecstasy and vows to keep at it until America is destroyed.
You should thank Israel for putting its sons & daughters at risk to eliminate our enemies for us.
we see a number of things going on in this post:Sam Lowry said:Maccabi fans are well known for causing violence in other cities. Here they are brutalizing an Egyptian man in Greece last spring:whiterock said:One can also zoom out to check plausibility - there are 1.5m people in greater Amsterdam, and 6.6% of them are muslims, approx 99k in total. Is it plausible that 3k foreign soccer fans would get so giddy in victory that they would engage in an entire night of violence against 99k Dutch muslims living in Amsterdam so severe that it prompted city-wide curfews? Or does it seem more reasonable that the presence of 3k reveling Jews offended the sensibilities of 99k Amsterdam muslims enough to provoke pent up outrage over what's happening in Gaza? Smart money would be on scenarios resembling the latter.The_barBEARian said:whiterock said:only in your mindSam Lowry said:But that isn't what happened. There is evidence of organized and ongoing violence by the Israelis.whiterock said:the twisted logic is trying to equate rowdy Jewish fans who tussled momentarily with Palestinian protestors with hours of violence organized by muslims to target Jews throughout the city.Sam Lowry said:I read through that stack of sources you posted earlier. If you'd done the same, you would know that the trouble didn't start with Palestinians attacking Maccabi fans after the match.whiterock said:You have a profound reading comprehension error. The Amsterdam Mayor, and the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King did not call Netanyahu to demand an apology for widespread rioting by Jews which targeted Dutch muslims. They called Netanyahu to apologize for widespread rioting by Dutch muslims which targeted Jews.Sam Lowry said:I didn't realize you thought you'd "exposed" anything with that rant. Was there something in the Times video that was wrong? If so, what?whiterock said:LOL so your response to having your gaslighting exposed is to put up a video of a Palestinian journalist trying to blame rowdy Jewish soccer fans for sparking days of mobs stalking Jews thru the capital of Amsterdam which required a state of emergency and public apologies to the state of Israel from the mayor of Amsterdam, the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King, and the arrest of over a hundred "non-Jews."Sam Lowry said:
I must commend your fearlessness in tossing out objectionable propaganda of pariah states/groups. Few are cut out for that. Whatever you lack in skill is more than offset by enthusiasm.
And LOL at "rowdy" fans...very J6 of you. They were attacking police, taxis, and Palestinian homes with metal pipes and rocks.
You even missed the context. The conflict was not at all soccer hooliganism. Maccabi did not play a soccer team from a Muslim country, or even a pro-muslim team. They played Ajax, a team with "Jewish associations," whose fans often wave Israeli flags at games. The conflict was organized by Palestinian demonstrators who scuffled with Maccabi fans leaving the stadium then used social media to coordinate organized counter-attacks against Maccabi fans ALL NIGHT LONG. That's why the Dutch are apologizing to Israel.
You're trying to make the case that because a handful of Maccabi fans had the temerity to scuffle with the poor Palestinian demonstrators outside the stadium, the Jews deserved a night of being chased thru the streets of Amsterdam on a scale that resulted in hundreds of arrests and apologies being issued to Israel by highest levels of Dutch political leadership. It's comically weak conspiratorial nonsense, but then the moths are often unable to resist the allure of the flame.
I didn't say it did. I said it didn't matter how the trouble started. What mattered was the muslim response to it....all night long...targeting Jews throughout the city.....all night long.
In fact local authorities said the atmosphere outside the stadium was relatively calm. The first violence occurred the night before, when Israelis attacked a taxi driver and vandalized Palestinian homes.
Sorry, buddy. There is no evidence Jews organized to course through the streets all night long looking for Jews to beat, no matter how hard you try to stretch....
How you get from that to "Jews deserved to be chased through the streets" is a mystery. More of your twisted logic of retribution, I guess. Reasonable people can see that there was fault on both sides.
No one on this board was physically there and knows for a certainty what happened.
The question becomes do you trust the Netanyahu's Israeli government and corporate news media?
I do not.
We do have evidence of what started the fight. The Egyptian committed the heinous crime of chanting "free Palestine."whiterock said:we see a number of things going on in this post:Sam Lowry said:Maccabi fans are well known for causing violence in other cities. Here they are brutalizing an Egyptian man in Greece last spring:whiterock said:One can also zoom out to check plausibility - there are 1.5m people in greater Amsterdam, and 6.6% of them are muslims, approx 99k in total. Is it plausible that 3k foreign soccer fans would get so giddy in victory that they would engage in an entire night of violence against 99k Dutch muslims living in Amsterdam so severe that it prompted city-wide curfews? Or does it seem more reasonable that the presence of 3k reveling Jews offended the sensibilities of 99k Amsterdam muslims enough to provoke pent up outrage over what's happening in Gaza? Smart money would be on scenarios resembling the latter.The_barBEARian said:whiterock said:only in your mindSam Lowry said:But that isn't what happened. There is evidence of organized and ongoing violence by the Israelis.whiterock said:the twisted logic is trying to equate rowdy Jewish fans who tussled momentarily with Palestinian protestors with hours of violence organized by muslims to target Jews throughout the city.Sam Lowry said:I read through that stack of sources you posted earlier. If you'd done the same, you would know that the trouble didn't start with Palestinians attacking Maccabi fans after the match.whiterock said:You have a profound reading comprehension error. The Amsterdam Mayor, and the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King did not call Netanyahu to demand an apology for widespread rioting by Jews which targeted Dutch muslims. They called Netanyahu to apologize for widespread rioting by Dutch muslims which targeted Jews.Sam Lowry said:I didn't realize you thought you'd "exposed" anything with that rant. Was there something in the Times video that was wrong? If so, what?whiterock said:LOL so your response to having your gaslighting exposed is to put up a video of a Palestinian journalist trying to blame rowdy Jewish soccer fans for sparking days of mobs stalking Jews thru the capital of Amsterdam which required a state of emergency and public apologies to the state of Israel from the mayor of Amsterdam, the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King, and the arrest of over a hundred "non-Jews."Sam Lowry said:
I must commend your fearlessness in tossing out objectionable propaganda of pariah states/groups. Few are cut out for that. Whatever you lack in skill is more than offset by enthusiasm.
And LOL at "rowdy" fans...very J6 of you. They were attacking police, taxis, and Palestinian homes with metal pipes and rocks.
You even missed the context. The conflict was not at all soccer hooliganism. Maccabi did not play a soccer team from a Muslim country, or even a pro-muslim team. They played Ajax, a team with "Jewish associations," whose fans often wave Israeli flags at games. The conflict was organized by Palestinian demonstrators who scuffled with Maccabi fans leaving the stadium then used social media to coordinate organized counter-attacks against Maccabi fans ALL NIGHT LONG. That's why the Dutch are apologizing to Israel.
You're trying to make the case that because a handful of Maccabi fans had the temerity to scuffle with the poor Palestinian demonstrators outside the stadium, the Jews deserved a night of being chased thru the streets of Amsterdam on a scale that resulted in hundreds of arrests and apologies being issued to Israel by highest levels of Dutch political leadership. It's comically weak conspiratorial nonsense, but then the moths are often unable to resist the allure of the flame.
I didn't say it did. I said it didn't matter how the trouble started. What mattered was the muslim response to it....all night long...targeting Jews throughout the city.....all night long.
In fact local authorities said the atmosphere outside the stadium was relatively calm. The first violence occurred the night before, when Israelis attacked a taxi driver and vandalized Palestinian homes.
Sorry, buddy. There is no evidence Jews organized to course through the streets all night long looking for Jews to beat, no matter how hard you try to stretch....
How you get from that to "Jews deserved to be chased through the streets" is a mystery. More of your twisted logic of retribution, I guess. Reasonable people can see that there was fault on both sides.
No one on this board was physically there and knows for a certainty what happened.
The question becomes do you trust the Netanyahu's Israeli government and corporate news media?
I do not.
1) 3-5 people involved in a fight after a soccer game, some of them perhaps trying to stop the fight.
2) an otherwise orderly crowd largely ignoring the fight.
3) no evidence of how many people were on what side.
4) no evidence of who/what started the fight.
5) no mob action (Maccabi fans chasing one or more people down the street for minutes, much less hours.)
6) no evidence of coordinated, targeted anti-Egyptian violence coursing thru the streets of Athens all night long.
oh. and one other thing we see in this post:
7) Sam making yet another crude spin effort to excuse antisemitism by known antisemites.
It's like the world was clueless about the widespread anti-gentile violence being fomented by Maccabi fans in cities all across Europe until those brave Palestinians finally gave those dirty rotten Jews what they deserved and hounded them thru the streets of Amsterdam all night. Thankfully, we have Sam to point out that we should be thankful that we have Hamas-supporters to defend us from those horrible Israelis.
whiterock said:what a great big blob of ironic drivel.The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
barBEARian, sorry for your loss🚨 Breaking: Muhammad Afif, Hezbollah's Spokesman, was eliminated.
— Dr. Eli David (@DrEliDavid) November 18, 2024
The microphones were not harmed. pic.twitter.com/3NK9I7gjEZ
They probably only needed to steal a couple billion of my tax dollars to eliminate him!
What a great ROI....
You constantly refer to the USS Liberty friendly-fire incident with (faux-)righteous indignation as a way of justifying your animus against Israel, yet completely ignore that Hizballah has killed THOUSANDS of American citizens, each one of them done in coldly calculated strikes against the Great Satan (us). Israel publicly apologized and paid millions of dollars of restitution to the families of those killed in the Liberty incident, to the wounded survivors, and to the USG for damage to the ship. Hizballah, on the other hand, has cheered each one the deaths they have inflicted on us with public paroxysms of ecstasy and vows to keep at it until America is destroyed.
You should thank Israel for putting its sons & daughters at risk to eliminate our enemies for us.
Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since WWII. Data Dive: http://t.co/TIUtG80uXa pic.twitter.com/MyVtvXZILT
— Reuters (@Reuters) March 2, 2015
LIB,MR BEARS said:they/them/(collective)my, got it. I didn't know you were part of that group for Palestine.The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:"a couple billion of my tax dollars" Dude, if you've paid in a couple billion in taxes, you either need a new accountant, need to get to the paid side of the site or, both.The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
barBEARian, sorry for your loss🚨 Breaking: Muhammad Afif, Hezbollah's Spokesman, was eliminated.
— Dr. Eli David (@DrEliDavid) November 18, 2024
The microphones were not harmed. pic.twitter.com/3NK9I7gjEZ
They probably only needed to steal a couple billion of my tax dollars to eliminate him!
What a great ROI....
PS…if that couple billion is correct, we all expect you to fork over some NIL money and make sure we hang on to Bryson and Sawyer.
The collective "my"..... but rather than sending money to Israel or Ukraine I should be getting tax cuts.
I think the last year has proven that the threats of Hezbollah and Iran were greatly exaggerated to the American public and Israel should be paying us back every dollar they have taken with interest.
If they were just going to indiscriminately drop bombs all over people, they could have achieved the same results without the $30 billion aid package we sent them last year.
Also, your definition and my definition of "indiscriminately" at quite different. The pagers, the radios, the successful targeting of terrorist leadership all seem to be the furthest thing from "indiscriminately dropping bombs."
whiterock said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
barBEARian, sorry for your loss🚨 Breaking: Muhammad Afif, Hezbollah's Spokesman, was eliminated.
— Dr. Eli David (@DrEliDavid) November 18, 2024
The microphones were not harmed. pic.twitter.com/3NK9I7gjEZ
They probably only needed to steal a couple billion of my tax dollars to eliminate him!
What a great ROI....
You constantly refer to the USS Liberty friendly-fire incident with (faux-)righteous indignation
You should thank Israel for putting its sons & daughters at risk to eliminate our enemies for us.
We have a handful of allegations from the two pro-Palestinian sources you provided alleging that such happened, but it is not corroborated by anything, and implicitly refuted by a number of sources to include the Mayor of Amsterdam, the PM of Holland, and the King of Holland.Sam Lowry said:We do have evidence of what started the fight. The Egyptian committed the heinous crime of chanting "free Palestine."whiterock said:we see a number of things going on in this post:Sam Lowry said:Maccabi fans are well known for causing violence in other cities. Here they are brutalizing an Egyptian man in Greece last spring:whiterock said:One can also zoom out to check plausibility - there are 1.5m people in greater Amsterdam, and 6.6% of them are muslims, approx 99k in total. Is it plausible that 3k foreign soccer fans would get so giddy in victory that they would engage in an entire night of violence against 99k Dutch muslims living in Amsterdam so severe that it prompted city-wide curfews? Or does it seem more reasonable that the presence of 3k reveling Jews offended the sensibilities of 99k Amsterdam muslims enough to provoke pent up outrage over what's happening in Gaza? Smart money would be on scenarios resembling the latter.The_barBEARian said:whiterock said:only in your mindSam Lowry said:But that isn't what happened. There is evidence of organized and ongoing violence by the Israelis.whiterock said:the twisted logic is trying to equate rowdy Jewish fans who tussled momentarily with Palestinian protestors with hours of violence organized by muslims to target Jews throughout the city.Sam Lowry said:I read through that stack of sources you posted earlier. If you'd done the same, you would know that the trouble didn't start with Palestinians attacking Maccabi fans after the match.whiterock said:You have a profound reading comprehension error. The Amsterdam Mayor, and the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King did not call Netanyahu to demand an apology for widespread rioting by Jews which targeted Dutch muslims. They called Netanyahu to apologize for widespread rioting by Dutch muslims which targeted Jews.Sam Lowry said:I didn't realize you thought you'd "exposed" anything with that rant. Was there something in the Times video that was wrong? If so, what?whiterock said:LOL so your response to having your gaslighting exposed is to put up a video of a Palestinian journalist trying to blame rowdy Jewish soccer fans for sparking days of mobs stalking Jews thru the capital of Amsterdam which required a state of emergency and public apologies to the state of Israel from the mayor of Amsterdam, the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King, and the arrest of over a hundred "non-Jews."Sam Lowry said:
I must commend your fearlessness in tossing out objectionable propaganda of pariah states/groups. Few are cut out for that. Whatever you lack in skill is more than offset by enthusiasm.
And LOL at "rowdy" fans...very J6 of you. They were attacking police, taxis, and Palestinian homes with metal pipes and rocks.
You even missed the context. The conflict was not at all soccer hooliganism. Maccabi did not play a soccer team from a Muslim country, or even a pro-muslim team. They played Ajax, a team with "Jewish associations," whose fans often wave Israeli flags at games. The conflict was organized by Palestinian demonstrators who scuffled with Maccabi fans leaving the stadium then used social media to coordinate organized counter-attacks against Maccabi fans ALL NIGHT LONG. That's why the Dutch are apologizing to Israel.
You're trying to make the case that because a handful of Maccabi fans had the temerity to scuffle with the poor Palestinian demonstrators outside the stadium, the Jews deserved a night of being chased thru the streets of Amsterdam on a scale that resulted in hundreds of arrests and apologies being issued to Israel by highest levels of Dutch political leadership. It's comically weak conspiratorial nonsense, but then the moths are often unable to resist the allure of the flame.
I didn't say it did. I said it didn't matter how the trouble started. What mattered was the muslim response to it....all night long...targeting Jews throughout the city.....all night long.
In fact local authorities said the atmosphere outside the stadium was relatively calm. The first violence occurred the night before, when Israelis attacked a taxi driver and vandalized Palestinian homes.
Sorry, buddy. There is no evidence Jews organized to course through the streets all night long looking for Jews to beat, no matter how hard you try to stretch....
How you get from that to "Jews deserved to be chased through the streets" is a mystery. More of your twisted logic of retribution, I guess. Reasonable people can see that there was fault on both sides.
No one on this board was physically there and knows for a certainty what happened.
The question becomes do you trust the Netanyahu's Israeli government and corporate news media?
I do not.
1) 3-5 people involved in a fight after a soccer game, some of them perhaps trying to stop the fight.
2) an otherwise orderly crowd largely ignoring the fight.
3) no evidence of how many people were on what side.
4) no evidence of who/what started the fight.
5) no mob action (Maccabi fans chasing one or more people down the street for minutes, much less hours.)
6) no evidence of coordinated, targeted anti-Egyptian violence coursing thru the streets of Athens all night long.
oh. and one other thing we see in this post:
7) Sam making yet another crude spin effort to excuse antisemitism by known antisemites.
It's like the world was clueless about the widespread anti-gentile violence being fomented by Maccabi fans in cities all across Europe until those brave Palestinians finally gave those dirty rotten Jews what they deserved and hounded them thru the streets of Amsterdam all night. Thankfully, we have Sam to point out that we should be thankful that we have Hamas-supporters to defend us from those horrible Israelis.
No, we do not. At least not on what you have provided. The fight was already underway when the video commenced.
We also have evidence from multiple sources of Maccabi fans chasing people through the streets of Amsterdam, all of which you choose to ignore, including the Dutch videos I posted.
I've posted three sources on the Amsterdam incident, not two. The last was a 16-year-old Dutch YouTuber who recorded eyewitness video. He shows no signs of being "pro-Palestinian." Certainly no more so than your mayors and kings are "pro-Israeli." And nothing they've said refutes the factual claims that I've presented. Politicians deplore anti-Semitic violence? That's great. So do I. The fact remains that Israelis committed violence too.whiterock said:We have a handful of allegations from the two pro-Palestinian sources you provided alleging that such happened, but it is not corroborated by anything, and implicitly refuted by a number of sources to include the Mayor of Amsterdam, the PM of Holland, and the King of Holland.Sam Lowry said:We do have evidence of what started the fight. The Egyptian committed the heinous crime of chanting "free Palestine."whiterock said:we see a number of things going on in this post:Sam Lowry said:Maccabi fans are well known for causing violence in other cities. Here they are brutalizing an Egyptian man in Greece last spring:whiterock said:One can also zoom out to check plausibility - there are 1.5m people in greater Amsterdam, and 6.6% of them are muslims, approx 99k in total. Is it plausible that 3k foreign soccer fans would get so giddy in victory that they would engage in an entire night of violence against 99k Dutch muslims living in Amsterdam so severe that it prompted city-wide curfews? Or does it seem more reasonable that the presence of 3k reveling Jews offended the sensibilities of 99k Amsterdam muslims enough to provoke pent up outrage over what's happening in Gaza? Smart money would be on scenarios resembling the latter.The_barBEARian said:whiterock said:only in your mindSam Lowry said:But that isn't what happened. There is evidence of organized and ongoing violence by the Israelis.whiterock said:the twisted logic is trying to equate rowdy Jewish fans who tussled momentarily with Palestinian protestors with hours of violence organized by muslims to target Jews throughout the city.Sam Lowry said:I read through that stack of sources you posted earlier. If you'd done the same, you would know that the trouble didn't start with Palestinians attacking Maccabi fans after the match.whiterock said:You have a profound reading comprehension error. The Amsterdam Mayor, and the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King did not call Netanyahu to demand an apology for widespread rioting by Jews which targeted Dutch muslims. They called Netanyahu to apologize for widespread rioting by Dutch muslims which targeted Jews.Sam Lowry said:I didn't realize you thought you'd "exposed" anything with that rant. Was there something in the Times video that was wrong? If so, what?whiterock said:LOL so your response to having your gaslighting exposed is to put up a video of a Palestinian journalist trying to blame rowdy Jewish soccer fans for sparking days of mobs stalking Jews thru the capital of Amsterdam which required a state of emergency and public apologies to the state of Israel from the mayor of Amsterdam, the Dutch PM, and the Dutch King, and the arrest of over a hundred "non-Jews."Sam Lowry said:
I must commend your fearlessness in tossing out objectionable propaganda of pariah states/groups. Few are cut out for that. Whatever you lack in skill is more than offset by enthusiasm.
And LOL at "rowdy" fans...very J6 of you. They were attacking police, taxis, and Palestinian homes with metal pipes and rocks.
You even missed the context. The conflict was not at all soccer hooliganism. Maccabi did not play a soccer team from a Muslim country, or even a pro-muslim team. They played Ajax, a team with "Jewish associations," whose fans often wave Israeli flags at games. The conflict was organized by Palestinian demonstrators who scuffled with Maccabi fans leaving the stadium then used social media to coordinate organized counter-attacks against Maccabi fans ALL NIGHT LONG. That's why the Dutch are apologizing to Israel.
You're trying to make the case that because a handful of Maccabi fans had the temerity to scuffle with the poor Palestinian demonstrators outside the stadium, the Jews deserved a night of being chased thru the streets of Amsterdam on a scale that resulted in hundreds of arrests and apologies being issued to Israel by highest levels of Dutch political leadership. It's comically weak conspiratorial nonsense, but then the moths are often unable to resist the allure of the flame.
I didn't say it did. I said it didn't matter how the trouble started. What mattered was the muslim response to it....all night long...targeting Jews throughout the city.....all night long.
In fact local authorities said the atmosphere outside the stadium was relatively calm. The first violence occurred the night before, when Israelis attacked a taxi driver and vandalized Palestinian homes.
Sorry, buddy. There is no evidence Jews organized to course through the streets all night long looking for Jews to beat, no matter how hard you try to stretch....
How you get from that to "Jews deserved to be chased through the streets" is a mystery. More of your twisted logic of retribution, I guess. Reasonable people can see that there was fault on both sides.
No one on this board was physically there and knows for a certainty what happened.
The question becomes do you trust the Netanyahu's Israeli government and corporate news media?
I do not.
1) 3-5 people involved in a fight after a soccer game, some of them perhaps trying to stop the fight.
2) an otherwise orderly crowd largely ignoring the fight.
3) no evidence of how many people were on what side.
4) no evidence of who/what started the fight.
5) no mob action (Maccabi fans chasing one or more people down the street for minutes, much less hours.)
6) no evidence of coordinated, targeted anti-Egyptian violence coursing thru the streets of Athens all night long.
oh. and one other thing we see in this post:
7) Sam making yet another crude spin effort to excuse antisemitism by known antisemites.
It's like the world was clueless about the widespread anti-gentile violence being fomented by Maccabi fans in cities all across Europe until those brave Palestinians finally gave those dirty rotten Jews what they deserved and hounded them thru the streets of Amsterdam all night. Thankfully, we have Sam to point out that we should be thankful that we have Hamas-supporters to defend us from those horrible Israelis.
No, we do not. At least not on what you have provided. The fight was already underway when the video commenced.
We also have evidence from multiple sources of Maccabi fans chasing people through the streets of Amsterdam, all of which you choose to ignore, including the Dutch videos I posted.
I am amused that you do not know when to stop.
You must be getting paid by the word.
You are a sad caricature of yourself. Do better.historian said:
The antisemites will soon be quoting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. They might eventually start quoting Mein Kampf.
IronicSam Lowry said:You are a sad caricature of yourself. Do better.historian said:
The antisemites will soon be quoting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. They might eventually start quoting Mein Kampf.
