Sam Lowry said:
What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.
The terminology doesn't matter. Conservatives are often wrongly accused of being theocratic. Dominionists and their ilk are actually theocratic. Big difference there.TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Sam Lowry said:
What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.
Give me a break. You're arguing on behalf of a fake made up threat. Name these CN-like organizations that are part of mainstream Christianity and are an actual threat to our democratic Republic. CN is a dog whistle, and for some reason you feel the need to defend the crazy by changing the terms of the fake made up threat.
Never heard of these. Quick google search of dominionisim equivocates it to Catholic integralism, which I have heard of before. Of course, the article I read failed to identify any current politicians or public figures who subscribe to the theory.Sam Lowry said:
What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.
Yep. I think she is great at what she does, and yea I admit I was kinda reluctant to try FBCA because all the comments on here about the pastor, but he is a solid pastor in my opinion. He is a different guy and likes to make a point about him not being a hunter, fisher, handyman, outdoorsman type, he kinda has a little schtick going about that subject, and makes no bones about his love for everything Auburn.parch said:Assuming you're talking about FBCA, my wife and I went there for a season before we moved, and despite all the blowback he gets around here for his "cry out to God" comment I thought Wiles was a good leader for that church and tended to steer them away from the poles and toward the center road. And I'm not even Baptist.Forest Bueller_bf said:Yes indeed.parch said:Do you live in Arlington?Forest Bueller said:Waco1947 said:
Christian nationalism seeks to establish an exclusivist version of Christianity as the dominant moral and cultural order.[2] Christian nationalism overlaps with but is distinct from theonomy, with it being more populist in character.[3]: xxi In countries with a state church, Christian nationalists seek to preserve the status of a Christian state by holding an antidisestablishmentarian position to perpetuate the Church in national politics Wikipedia
Theonomy (from Greek theos "God" and nomos "law") is a hypothetical Christian form of government in which society is ruled by divine law.[1] Theonomists hold that divine law, particularly the judicial laws of the Old Testament, should be observed by modern societies
No not at all. They are really counter culture to that particular movement. The Pastor was a regent and I believe visiting Professor at Truitt and one point. Unfortunately my wife's upbringing as an Independent Fundamental Baptist is starting to take over and she is wanting to leave the church. It is more "liberal" than a Southern Baptist church, it's a Texas Baptist church. They aren't liberal at all just more inclusive than most SBC churches. Zero christian nationalism.
That said, they are still affiliated to the SBC through the Texas Baptist Church, although only a fraction of the tithing goes to SBC through some mission work. I think they're rethinking all that though. Anyone who saw Katie Reed-Hodges at work knows that women in ministry can do incredible things and I always appreciated his stance.
The irony of this statement is your complete inability to nail down what CN is, provide any evidentiary support for your idea that CN is a actual problem, and provide any proof that current politicians subscribe to the version of CN you've perpetuated. I mean, speaking of misinformation, one would think you would be able to provide at least a scintilla of evidentiary support for this bogeyman. Instead, you want to pretend that it is an actual problem, when your own statements regarding CN are all over the place, and you've been unable to provide any support for your position.BUDOS said:
Tinfoil is doing a good job at creating and spreading misinformation. Too many of on this forum probably prefer to believe him; spreading his "misinformation " is dangerous. I don't think it's intentional; hopefully he just has not done his homework.
So, you make a number of generalizations you are unable to support with any evidence, and I am supposed to do the research you should have done to disprove you? Hmm, I think you just might have the burdens of proof confused. You see, when someone makes an absurd generalization, and then repeats it ad nauesum, without evidentiary support, the way it typically works is that person has the burden to prove that what he is saying is not complete and total bull *****BUDOS said:
Figures. You guys probably rarely did real research so you expect others to do it for you. Try the internet.
Put in something like the pros and cons of CN. As you select a few, be sure to click on at least a couple of the Christian sites and blogs. When trolls like y'all are more interested in expressing your ugliness and cover your lack of real understanding of both sides of an issue with your vitriol, you certainly are not persuading anyone you are right.
Hiding behind posting and expressing your hatred of those with opposing views, but no matter, you're not even trying to learn it's history, goals and how much of its success is based on getting people like you to be part of the movement without realizing the end game.
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Waco1947 said:Yep I copied it off the internet but happens to be true.TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Waco1947 said:
The Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, in his concurring opinion that has outlawed the destruction of frozen embryos, equating frozen embryos used in infertility treatments with murdering people which keeps referencing God, is an example of Christian nationalism.
This ia Christian nationalism par excellence. The concurring opinion by Justice Tom Parker uses as its evidence to arrive at his legal opinion - it uses the Bible. It uses Christian manifestos. It uses work by the medieval theologian Thomas Aquinas, by the reformer John Calvin. These are the pieces of data that he uses to justify an opinion at the Supreme Court of Alabama. He said on the very same day that that decision came down, on a podcast, that God created government, and the fact that we have let it go into the possession of others is heartbreaking. The very idea that we would have a Supreme Court of any state in this country who would deliver an opinion based on the Bible, is the most clear example of Christian nationalism that I can think of. Brad Onishi
Nope. Try again.
Not Christian Nationalism.
Using God as a basis for morality isn't Christian Nationalism. If you claim it is, then you are also admitting that our nation is in fact already a Christian Nation.
Really seems like all of your opinions are copied off Google, from some liberal echo chamber.
The "ism" at the end Nationalism means it "a distinctive practice, system, or philosophy, typically a political ideology. The Alabama SC is using a philosophy straight out the Bible and admits so. Christian Nationalism is a distinctive ideology which churches use.
Morality doesn't equal Christian Nationalism. Didn't say that. Never did. You keep repeating a lie.
You're brain is broken. Please reboot it and start fresh.
CN is made up. You look like a clown. A lemming of the media.
It's a minority but an influential one. The topic is especially relevant in the Trump era, with so much cynicism about democracy in the air.Mothra said:Never heard of these. Quick google search of dominionisim equivocates it to Catholic integralism, which I have heard of before. Of course, the article I read failed to identify any current politicians or public figures who subscribe to the theory.Sam Lowry said:
What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.
So even if it's a real thing, it doesn't sound like a real problem.
An influential minority in the Republican Party? Hmmm. Who is it influencing? Are there specific politicians being lobbied?Sam Lowry said:It's a minority but an influential one. The topic is especially relevant in the Trump era, with so much cynicism about democracy in the air.Mothra said:Never heard of these. Quick google search of dominionisim equivocates it to Catholic integralism, which I have heard of before. Of course, the article I read failed to identify any current politicians or public figures who subscribe to the theory.Sam Lowry said:
What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.
So even if it's a real thing, it doesn't sound like a real problem.
There No such thing as "a Black Supremacy Theology founded by James H, Cone" Do NOT spread this lie.Forest Bueller_bf said:
Interesting to simply pull out a nutty complete outlier like "Kingdom Now" theology and try to assign it to generic christians. It is a thing, but there is no power behind it and is mostly one of those Holy Roller ideologies that will never get traction with a large percentage of people.
There is also a Black Supremacy Theology founded by James H, Cone that the current democratic movement though probably unintentionally has laced into some of their platform. Again, nothing that is ever going to take over.
If we want to fear something all the young people being brainwashed with their "River to the Sea" ideology is something to actually watch closely, as there is actually a "there, there" with that movement.
This is an odd thread to say the least.
It is a cautionary warning to all Churches and particularly the evangelicals.Ghostrider said:I don't know one person that wants this, but if you say it enough, I guess you will believe it.Waco1947 said:Christian Nationalism wants a theocracy not a democracyGhostrider said:Nothing is wrong with it. Democrats try to use this as a negative. Same as they do when they say you are against women's rights if you do not believe in the murdering of a baby.GrowlTowel said:
Honest question - what is wrong with Christian Nationalism?
How does Christian Nationalism negatively affect our economy, culture, nation?
FBC Dallas called. They said CN is not made up.TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
CN is made up. Christians should vote their conscience just like everyone else is doing.
Vote to protect the unborn, vote to protect religious freedom for your children and future generations, vote to protect children from the progressive groomers. Vote to protect your community and neighbors.
The left hates Christianity and wants to silence Christians. Voting red at the federal level is the only option for Christians thinking about their long term freedoms.
It's not a lobby. It's a theological perspective, developed in the 70s and 80s, which has a non-trivial influence on mainstream pastors and politicians. Whether that's a problem is up for debate.Mothra said:An influential minority in the Republican Party? Hmmm. Who is it influencing? Are there specific politicians being lobbied?Sam Lowry said:It's a minority but an influential one. The topic is especially relevant in the Trump era, with so much cynicism about democracy in the air.Mothra said:Never heard of these. Quick google search of dominionisim equivocates it to Catholic integralism, which I have heard of before. Of course, the article I read failed to identify any current politicians or public figures who subscribe to the theory.Sam Lowry said:
What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.
So even if it's a real thing, it doesn't sound like a real problem.
FBC Dallas wouldn't waste their time calling United Methodist.Waco1947 said:FBC Dallas called. They said CN is not made up.TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
CN is made up. Christians should vote their conscience just like everyone else is doing.
Vote to protect the unborn, vote to protect religious freedom for your children and future generations, vote to protect children from the progressive groomers. Vote to protect your community and neighbors.
The left hates Christianity and wants to silence Christians. Voting red at the federal level is the only option for Christians thinking about their long term freedoms.
Sam Lowry said:It's not a lobby. It's a theological perspective, developed in the 70s and 80s, which has a non-trivial influence on mainstream pastors and politicians. Whether that's a problem is up for debate.Mothra said:An influential minority in the Republican Party? Hmmm. Who is it influencing? Are there specific politicians being lobbied?Sam Lowry said:It's a minority but an influential one. The topic is especially relevant in the Trump era, with so much cynicism about democracy in the air.Mothra said:Never heard of these. Quick google search of dominionisim equivocates it to Catholic integralism, which I have heard of before. Of course, the article I read failed to identify any current politicians or public figures who subscribe to the theory.Sam Lowry said:
What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.
So even if it's a real thing, it doesn't sound like a real problem.
Waco1947 said:Christian Nationalism wants a theocracy not a democracyGhostrider said:Nothing is wrong with it. Democrats try to use this as a negative. Same as they do when they say you are against women's rights if you do not believe in the murdering of a baby.GrowlTowel said:
Honest question - what is wrong with Christian Nationalism?
How does Christian Nationalism negatively affect our economy, culture, nation?
America is a Constitutional Republic. pic.twitter.com/bL0ula1mJ8
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The OP's question clearly struck a nerve.TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Sam Lowry said:It's not a lobby. It's a theological perspective, developed in the 70s and 80s, which has a non-trivial influence on mainstream pastors and politicians. Whether that's a problem is up for debate.Mothra said:An influential minority in the Republican Party? Hmmm. Who is it influencing? Are there specific politicians being lobbied?Sam Lowry said:It's a minority but an influential one. The topic is especially relevant in the Trump era, with so much cynicism about democracy in the air.Mothra said:Never heard of these. Quick google search of dominionisim equivocates it to Catholic integralism, which I have heard of before. Of course, the article I read failed to identify any current politicians or public figures who subscribe to the theory.Sam Lowry said:
What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.
So even if it's a real thing, it doesn't sound like a real problem.
With CN and Sam, it's always the general non-specific accusations of it being "influential" with no significant real world examples to back it up.
When people say the border is a problem, there's actually statistics and people to back it up.
When people say the education is grooming our children, there are many actual examples.
When lefties talk about CN, there's no mainstream or significant group teaching or adopting CN. You all play out your ideas from a make believe world.
TDS does that to a person.
Sam Lowry said:The OP's question clearly struck a nerve.TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Sam Lowry said:It's not a lobby. It's a theological perspective, developed in the 70s and 80s, which has a non-trivial influence on mainstream pastors and politicians. Whether that's a problem is up for debate.Mothra said:An influential minority in the Republican Party? Hmmm. Who is it influencing? Are there specific politicians being lobbied?Sam Lowry said:It's a minority but an influential one. The topic is especially relevant in the Trump era, with so much cynicism about democracy in the air.Mothra said:Never heard of these. Quick google search of dominionisim equivocates it to Catholic integralism, which I have heard of before. Of course, the article I read failed to identify any current politicians or public figures who subscribe to the theory.Sam Lowry said:
What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.
So even if it's a real thing, it doesn't sound like a real problem.
With CN and Sam, it's always the general non-specific accusations of it being "influential" with no significant real world examples to back it up.
When people say the border is a problem, there's actually statistics and people to back it up.
When people say the education is grooming our children, there are many actual examples.
When lefties talk about CN, there's no mainstream or significant group teaching or adopting CN. You all play out your ideas from a make believe world.
TDS does that to a person.
LOLSam Lowry said:The OP's question clearly struck a nerve.TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Sam Lowry said:It's not a lobby. It's a theological perspective, developed in the 70s and 80s, which has a non-trivial influence on mainstream pastors and politicians. Whether that's a problem is up for debate.Mothra said:An influential minority in the Republican Party? Hmmm. Who is it influencing? Are there specific politicians being lobbied?Sam Lowry said:It's a minority but an influential one. The topic is especially relevant in the Trump era, with so much cynicism about democracy in the air.Mothra said:Never heard of these. Quick google search of dominionisim equivocates it to Catholic integralism, which I have heard of before. Of course, the article I read failed to identify any current politicians or public figures who subscribe to the theory.Sam Lowry said:
What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.
So even if it's a real thing, it doesn't sound like a real problem.
With CN and Sam, it's always the general non-specific accusations of it being "influential" with no significant real world examples to back it up.
When people say the border is a problem, there's actually statistics and people to back it up.
When people say the education is grooming our children, there are many actual examples.
When lefties talk about CN, there's no mainstream or significant group teaching or adopting CN. You all play out your ideas from a make believe world.
TDS does that to a person.
Waco1947 said:FBC Dallas called. They said CN is not made up.TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
CN is made up. Christians should vote their conscience just like everyone else is doing.
Vote to protect the unborn, vote to protect religious freedom for your children and future generations, vote to protect children from the progressive groomers. Vote to protect your community and neighbors.
The left hates Christianity and wants to silence Christians. Voting red at the federal level is the only option for Christians thinking about their long term freedoms.
Ok, what pastors and politicians? Can you identify the people who belong to this "influential minority"?Sam Lowry said:It's not a lobby. It's a theological perspective, developed in the 70s and 80s, which has a non-trivial influence on mainstream pastors and politicians. Whether that's a problem is up for debate.Mothra said:An influential minority in the Republican Party? Hmmm. Who is it influencing? Are there specific politicians being lobbied?Sam Lowry said:It's a minority but an influential one. The topic is especially relevant in the Trump era, with so much cynicism about democracy in the air.Mothra said:Never heard of these. Quick google search of dominionisim equivocates it to Catholic integralism, which I have heard of before. Of course, the article I read failed to identify any current politicians or public figures who subscribe to the theory.Sam Lowry said:
What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.
So even if it's a real thing, it doesn't sound like a real problem.
And they would be right - the definition you're using at least.Waco1947 said:FBC Dallas called. They said CN is not made up.TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
CN is made up. Christians should vote their conscience just like everyone else is doing.
Vote to protect the unborn, vote to protect religious freedom for your children and future generations, vote to protect children from the progressive groomers. Vote to protect your community and neighbors.
The left hates Christianity and wants to silence Christians. Voting red at the federal level is the only option for Christians thinking about their long term freedoms.
Not sure what else one would expect from a nominal Catholic. Look, when your supposed "faith" means so little to you, what else would you expect?TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Sam Lowry said:The OP's question clearly struck a nerve.TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Sam Lowry said:It's not a lobby. It's a theological perspective, developed in the 70s and 80s, which has a non-trivial influence on mainstream pastors and politicians. Whether that's a problem is up for debate.Mothra said:An influential minority in the Republican Party? Hmmm. Who is it influencing? Are there specific politicians being lobbied?Sam Lowry said:It's a minority but an influential one. The topic is especially relevant in the Trump era, with so much cynicism about democracy in the air.Mothra said:Never heard of these. Quick google search of dominionisim equivocates it to Catholic integralism, which I have heard of before. Of course, the article I read failed to identify any current politicians or public figures who subscribe to the theory.Sam Lowry said:
What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.
So even if it's a real thing, it doesn't sound like a real problem.
With CN and Sam, it's always the general non-specific accusations of it being "influential" with no significant real world examples to back it up.
When people say the border is a problem, there's actually statistics and people to back it up.
When people say the education is grooming our children, there are many actual examples.
When lefties talk about CN, there's no mainstream or significant group teaching or adopting CN. You all play out your ideas from a make believe world.
TDS does that to a person.
You have nothing
But yes, what's effectively false accusations lobbied against traditional Christians strikes a nerve, sure, not in the upset sort of way, just like you're not very smart kind of way.
You've brought nothing to the conversation but hysterics. It's shameful really. You all are trying to guilt traditional Christians into not voting their conscience. You should know better.
I mean, if this isn't gaslighting, I am not sure what is. Shallow grasp of CN? From the dude who can't even support his points with anything outside of a wikipedia definition? From the guy who claims that CNs want to force Americans to convert to Christianity, but can't offer a single fact in support of his position?BUDOS said:
So, you are once again back to trolling and bullying, adding nothing to the discussion; instead continuing to reveal your shallow grasp of CN. Do your homework Harrison.
Forest Bueller_bf said:
Interesting to simply pull out a nutty complete outlier like "Kingdom Now" theology and try to assign it to generic christians. It is a thing, but there is no power behind it and is mostly one of those Holy Roller ideologies that will never get traction with a large percentage of people.
There is also a Black Supremacy Theology founded by James H, Cone that the current democratic movement though probably unintentionally has laced into some of their platform. Again, nothing that is ever going to take over.
If we want to fear something all the young people being brainwashed with their "River to the Sea" ideology is something to actually watch closely, as there is actually a "there, there" with that movement.
This is an odd thread to say the least.
He said it's a "perspective". I guess any perspective that's does not match his own, and especially one that can't be measured in any way shape or form, is a potential threat and must be monitored.TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Sam Lowry said:It's not a lobby. It's a theological perspective, developed in the 70s and 80s, which has a non-trivial influence on mainstream pastors and politicians. Whether that's a problem is up for debate.Mothra said:An influential minority in the Republican Party? Hmmm. Who is it influencing? Are there specific politicians being lobbied?Sam Lowry said:It's a minority but an influential one. The topic is especially relevant in the Trump era, with so much cynicism about democracy in the air.Mothra said:Never heard of these. Quick google search of dominionisim equivocates it to Catholic integralism, which I have heard of before. Of course, the article I read failed to identify any current politicians or public figures who subscribe to the theory.Sam Lowry said:
What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.
So even if it's a real thing, it doesn't sound like a real problem.
With CN and Sam, it's always the general non-specific accusations of it being "influential" with no significant real world examples to back it up.
When people say the border is a problem, there's actually statistics and people to back it up.
When people say the education is grooming our children, there are many actual examples.
When lefties talk about CN, there's no mainstream or significant group teaching or adopting CN. You all play out your ideas from a make believe world.
TDS does that to a person.
No one's saying that.LIB,MR BEARS said:He said it's a "perspective". I guess any perspective that's does not match his own, and especially one that can't be measured in any way shape or form, is a potential threat and must be monitored.TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Sam Lowry said:It's not a lobby. It's a theological perspective, developed in the 70s and 80s, which has a non-trivial influence on mainstream pastors and politicians. Whether that's a problem is up for debate.Mothra said:An influential minority in the Republican Party? Hmmm. Who is it influencing? Are there specific politicians being lobbied?Sam Lowry said:It's a minority but an influential one. The topic is especially relevant in the Trump era, with so much cynicism about democracy in the air.Mothra said:Never heard of these. Quick google search of dominionisim equivocates it to Catholic integralism, which I have heard of before. Of course, the article I read failed to identify any current politicians or public figures who subscribe to the theory.Sam Lowry said:
What the OP calls Christian nationalism sounds more like dominionism or theonomy. It's a real thing.
So even if it's a real thing, it doesn't sound like a real problem.
With CN and Sam, it's always the general non-specific accusations of it being "influential" with no significant real world examples to back it up.
When people say the border is a problem, there's actually statistics and people to back it up.
When people say the education is grooming our children, there are many actual examples.
When lefties talk about CN, there's no mainstream or significant group teaching or adopting CN. You all play out your ideas from a make believe world.
TDS does that to a person.
Forest nails it......as usual.Forest Bueller_bf said:
Interesting to simply pull out a nutty complete outlier like "Kingdom Now" theology and try to assign it to generic christians. It is a thing, but there is no power behind it and is mostly one of those Holy Roller ideologies that will never get traction with a large percentage of people.
There is also a Black Supremacy Theology founded by James H, Cone that the current democratic movement though probably unintentionally has laced into some of their platform. Again, nothing that is ever going to take over.
If we want to fear something all the young people being brainwashed with their "River to the Sea" ideology is something to actually watch closely, as there is actually a "there, there" with that movement.
This is an odd thread to say the least.
