Is Islam a political ideology of conquest more than a religion?

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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The Somalis seem like the Palestinians of Africa.

That sounds accurate. Although some of the Nigerians could give them a run for their money
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Assassin said:

TexasScientist said:

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Sounds a lot like what your Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and other far right extremists advocate.

Sad state of affairs.

You are more corrupt than I thought. Proud Boys have never killed anyone in their political fight, after all these years. And guess what, Oath Keepers haven't either.

You buy what you have been told by the Legacy Media. Just like the Christians in Germany, just like your hate of God. You just don't get it.

I should have known you were aligned with the likes of Enrique Tarrio and Elmer Rhodes. Their Rhetoric is no different than Don Lemon's (maybe worse). You're so blind, you can't see that there is a fine line that separates the far left from the far right. Horseshoe Theory is something you should look into. It would help explain your extremist views and affinity for an autocracy.

I follow media that adheres to standards. I get the evidence of reality.

Billions of people in unison say "Sucka!" You are susceptible to being a Legacy Media sheep. Wolves all around and you are simply walking meat. They are gonna descend on you sooner or later and you want to take as many other sheep down as you can. Luckily, you're not going to do that on this forum. You're gonna get called out over and over, by numerous posters.


That's an incoherent rant. You're starting to sound like your dear leader Trump. You should get an MRI like he did to see if there is an identifiable cause.

Not sure why you would come on a forum from a Baptist school where the posters are probably 98-99% Christian and continue to ooze out your atheist blarney. A forum where 98-99% of the posters are inherently smarter than you and you keep sinking in more ooze.

Anyway, I am done with you.

I'm a Baylor alum on a political and religious alum forum, as a voice of reality. I once believed the "blarney" that you have been trained to believe, until I began to critically examine the evidence of reality. Religion doesn't hold up under scrutiny. It's a progressive refinement of primitive beliefs from primitive people's attempt to understand reality, find social order and commonality, and to cope with mortality. When confronted with the evidence of reality, you can either accept it, and try to understand it, or you can become defensive, aggressive, and retreat into the confirmation biases offered by institutionalized religion. It takes critical thinking and education to break the bondage of religious beliefs.
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Assassin said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

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The Somalis seem like the Palestinians of Africa.

That sounds accurate. Although some of the Nigerians could give them a run for their money

62% being involved in any type of crime is outrageous, I agree with that premise

However this phrase is a good example of why you should not take social media posts as accurate or undistorted information "62% of Somali men in Denmark are convicted of a violent crime by the age of 30" is not supported by publicly available research. The actual 62% statistic refers to a small cohort and a broad category of crimes (some violent, many non-violent).

The original summary explicitly lists crimes like theft, vandalism, property crimes, not solely violent crimes. So to restate "62% … violent crime" overstates the original claim.

According to a write-up referencing a report by think tank Unitos (based on data from the Danish Ministry of Justice), 222 out of 357 Somali men born between 1985 and 1987 ( 62 %) had "been convicted of a crime such as violence, vandalism, and theft" before the age of 30. The same report as summarized publicly mentions that these crimes include a mix of offenses: violence, property crime, theft, vandalism, etc. The 62% refers to "a crime" broadly, not necessarily specifically "violent crime."


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TexasScientist said:

Assassin said:

TexasScientist said:

Assassin said:

TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Sounds a lot like what your Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and other far right extremists advocate.

Sad state of affairs.

You are more corrupt than I thought. Proud Boys have never killed anyone in their political fight, after all these years. And guess what, Oath Keepers haven't either.

You buy what you have been told by the Legacy Media. Just like the Christians in Germany, just like your hate of God. You just don't get it.

I should have known you were aligned with the likes of Enrique Tarrio and Elmer Rhodes. Their Rhetoric is no different than Don Lemon's (maybe worse). You're so blind, you can't see that there is a fine line that separates the far left from the far right. Horseshoe Theory is something you should look into. It would help explain your extremist views and affinity for an autocracy.

I follow media that adheres to standards. I get the evidence of reality.

Billions of people in unison say "Sucka!" You are susceptible to being a Legacy Media sheep. Wolves all around and you are simply walking meat. They are gonna descend on you sooner or later and you want to take as many other sheep down as you can. Luckily, you're not going to do that on this forum. You're gonna get called out over and over, by numerous posters.


That's an incoherent rant. You're starting to sound like your dear leader Trump. You should get an MRI like he did to see if there is an identifiable cause.

Not sure why you would come on a forum from a Baptist school where the posters are probably 98-99% Christian and continue to ooze out your atheist blarney. A forum where 98-99% of the posters are inherently smarter than you and you keep sinking in more ooze.

Anyway, I am done with you.

I'm a Baylor alum on a political and religious alum forum, as a voice of reality. I once believed the "blarney" that you have been trained to believe, until I began to critically examine the evidence of reality. Religion doesn't hold up under scrutiny. It's a progressive refinement of primitive beliefs from primitive people's attempt to understand reality, find social order and commonality, and to cope with mortality. When confronted with the evidence of reality, you can either accept it, and try to understand it, or you can become defensive, aggressive, and retreat into the confirmation biases offered by institutionalized religion. It takes critical thinking and education to break the bondage of religious beliefs.

The only place where you are a voice of reality is in the mental institution where you currently reside.

You're literally the second most stupid person on this board after Boogers & Glue ... and he has the charm of being a naive moron where you actually think QAnon is legit.
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Racist. Homophobe. Anti-Trans. Sexist. Islamaphobic. All the things.
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Afghan Mooslims brining the heat this week ...

1. National Guard shooter
2. Another one threatening to blow up Cowtown

Between the Autopen, coke in the White House, using the FBI to steal his daughter's diary from a journalist, and and the Afghan surrender, Oatmeal Brains legacy is perfect.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

TexasScientist said:

Assassin said:

TexasScientist said:

Assassin said:

TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Sounds a lot like what your Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and other far right extremists advocate.

Sad state of affairs.

You are more corrupt than I thought. Proud Boys have never killed anyone in their political fight, after all these years. And guess what, Oath Keepers haven't either.

You buy what you have been told by the Legacy Media. Just like the Christians in Germany, just like your hate of God. You just don't get it.

I should have known you were aligned with the likes of Enrique Tarrio and Elmer Rhodes. Their Rhetoric is no different than Don Lemon's (maybe worse). You're so blind, you can't see that there is a fine line that separates the far left from the far right. Horseshoe Theory is something you should look into. It would help explain your extremist views and affinity for an autocracy.

I follow media that adheres to standards. I get the evidence of reality.

Billions of people in unison say "Sucka!" You are susceptible to being a Legacy Media sheep. Wolves all around and you are simply walking meat. They are gonna descend on you sooner or later and you want to take as many other sheep down as you can. Luckily, you're not going to do that on this forum. You're gonna get called out over and over, by numerous posters.


That's an incoherent rant. You're starting to sound like your dear leader Trump. You should get an MRI like he did to see if there is an identifiable cause.

Not sure why you would come on a forum from a Baptist school where the posters are probably 98-99% Christian and continue to ooze out your atheist blarney. A forum where 98-99% of the posters are inherently smarter than you and you keep sinking in more ooze.

Anyway, I am done with you.

I'm a Baylor alum on a political and religious alum forum, as a voice of reality. I once believed the "blarney" that you have been trained to believe, until I began to critically examine the evidence of reality. Religion doesn't hold up under scrutiny. It's a progressive refinement of primitive beliefs from primitive people's attempt to understand reality, find social order and commonality, and to cope with mortality. When confronted with the evidence of reality, you can either accept it, and try to understand it, or you can become defensive, aggressive, and retreat into the confirmation biases offered by institutionalized religion. It takes critical thinking and education to break the bondage of religious beliefs.

The only place where you are a voice of reality is in the mental institution where you currently reside.

You're literally the second most stupid person on this board after Boogers & Glue ... and he has the charm of being a naive moron where you actually think QAnon is legit.

Is that all you have, ad hominem attacks?

QAnon is a conspiracy theorist phenomenon that you're in neck deep, but don't realize it.





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TexasScientist said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

TexasScientist said:

Assassin said:

TexasScientist said:

Assassin said:

TexasScientist said:

Assassin said:

TexasScientist said:

Assassin said:



Sounds a lot like what your Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and other far right extremists advocate.

Sad state of affairs.

You are more corrupt than I thought. Proud Boys have never killed anyone in their political fight, after all these years. And guess what, Oath Keepers haven't either.

You buy what you have been told by the Legacy Media. Just like the Christians in Germany, just like your hate of God. You just don't get it.

I should have known you were aligned with the likes of Enrique Tarrio and Elmer Rhodes. Their Rhetoric is no different than Don Lemon's (maybe worse). You're so blind, you can't see that there is a fine line that separates the far left from the far right. Horseshoe Theory is something you should look into. It would help explain your extremist views and affinity for an autocracy.

I follow media that adheres to standards. I get the evidence of reality.

Billions of people in unison say "Sucka!" You are susceptible to being a Legacy Media sheep. Wolves all around and you are simply walking meat. They are gonna descend on you sooner or later and you want to take as many other sheep down as you can. Luckily, you're not going to do that on this forum. You're gonna get called out over and over, by numerous posters.


That's an incoherent rant. You're starting to sound like your dear leader Trump. You should get an MRI like he did to see if there is an identifiable cause.

Not sure why you would come on a forum from a Baptist school where the posters are probably 98-99% Christian and continue to ooze out your atheist blarney. A forum where 98-99% of the posters are inherently smarter than you and you keep sinking in more ooze.

Anyway, I am done with you.

I'm a Baylor alum on a political and religious alum forum, as a voice of reality. I once believed the "blarney" that you have been trained to believe, until I began to critically examine the evidence of reality. Religion doesn't hold up under scrutiny. It's a progressive refinement of primitive beliefs from primitive people's attempt to understand reality, find social order and commonality, and to cope with mortality. When confronted with the evidence of reality, you can either accept it, and try to understand it, or you can become defensive, aggressive, and retreat into the confirmation biases offered by institutionalized religion. It takes critical thinking and education to break the bondage of religious beliefs.

The only place where you are a voice of reality is in the mental institution where you currently reside.

You're literally the second most stupid person on this board after Boogers & Glue ... and he has the charm of being a naive moron where you actually think QAnon is legit.

Is that all you have, ad hominem attacks?

QAnon is a conspiracy theorist phenomenon that you're in neck deep, but don't realize it.

... posted while looking for the edge of the Earth.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

TexasScientist said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

TexasScientist said:

Assassin said:

TexasScientist said:

Assassin said:

TexasScientist said:

Assassin said:

TexasScientist said:

Assassin said:



Sounds a lot like what your Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and other far right extremists advocate.

Sad state of affairs.

You are more corrupt than I thought. Proud Boys have never killed anyone in their political fight, after all these years. And guess what, Oath Keepers haven't either.

You buy what you have been told by the Legacy Media. Just like the Christians in Germany, just like your hate of God. You just don't get it.

I should have known you were aligned with the likes of Enrique Tarrio and Elmer Rhodes. Their Rhetoric is no different than Don Lemon's (maybe worse). You're so blind, you can't see that there is a fine line that separates the far left from the far right. Horseshoe Theory is something you should look into. It would help explain your extremist views and affinity for an autocracy.

I follow media that adheres to standards. I get the evidence of reality.

Billions of people in unison say "Sucka!" You are susceptible to being a Legacy Media sheep. Wolves all around and you are simply walking meat. They are gonna descend on you sooner or later and you want to take as many other sheep down as you can. Luckily, you're not going to do that on this forum. You're gonna get called out over and over, by numerous posters.


That's an incoherent rant. You're starting to sound like your dear leader Trump. You should get an MRI like he did to see if there is an identifiable cause.

Not sure why you would come on a forum from a Baptist school where the posters are probably 98-99% Christian and continue to ooze out your atheist blarney. A forum where 98-99% of the posters are inherently smarter than you and you keep sinking in more ooze.

Anyway, I am done with you.

I'm a Baylor alum on a political and religious alum forum, as a voice of reality. I once believed the "blarney" that you have been trained to believe, until I began to critically examine the evidence of reality. Religion doesn't hold up under scrutiny. It's a progressive refinement of primitive beliefs from primitive people's attempt to understand reality, find social order and commonality, and to cope with mortality. When confronted with the evidence of reality, you can either accept it, and try to understand it, or you can become defensive, aggressive, and retreat into the confirmation biases offered by institutionalized religion. It takes critical thinking and education to break the bondage of religious beliefs.

The only place where you are a voice of reality is in the mental institution where you currently reside.

You're literally the second most stupid person on this board after Boogers & Glue ... and he has the charm of being a naive moron where you actually think QAnon is legit.

Is that all you have, ad hominem attacks?

QAnon is a conspiracy theorist phenomenon that you're in neck deep, but don't realize it.

... posted while looking for the edge of the Earth.

The edge of the Earth is spherical surface. You should know that.
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John Quincy Adams on Islam:

"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust, by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE."
(The American annual register, Blunt, 1830, 29:269, capitals in orig.).


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[ I want to draw your attention to the excellent new Triggernometry podcast, in which historian Tom Holland, who has written deeply about both Christianity and Islam…

Holland explains that Christianity is the only religion that has a clear idea of the separation of the sacred and the secular. For Islam, for example, it's all the same thing. Muhammad was a lawgiver. From the transcript:

TOM HOLLAND: I think Islam is uniquely indigestible for a a secular mindset. And people don't want to admit that in a way because there's a default assumption that secular civilization can swallow anything up. There's a kind of arrogance there that secular civilization of the secular civilization of the West is such a broad tent that everyone can be brought into it.

But Islam is at least as sophisticated a civilization as as the civilization of the Christian West um and a very ancient one. And for most of its existence has been much much more powerful than the Christian world.

And therefore the idea that that it should accommodate itself to what liberal secularists think it should do isn't a given. So Muslims in in say in a country like Britain have freedom of religion. But there are lots of Muslims who do not see Islam as a religion because they see religion as a Christian category. Islam is much more than a religion. It's something that saturates every aspect of existence and therefore they don't necessarily want that. They want to they want to live in a a world where you know as as has traditionally been the case. Islam is everywhere.

But that is obviously something that the liberal state is not prepared to offer. So there are limits to what secularism and liberalism can and will offer.

KONSTANTIN KISIN: So where's what's the obvious question is and, I mean it's probably unfair question to ask a historian, but where is this going?

TH: I don't know. I'm not I'm not a prophet unlike Muhammad. I mean my my guess is that that Islam, rather in the way that Judaism has done, will accommodate itself to the the host society. I mean, that's traditionally what happens, but that there will always be kickback because of what makes Islam distinctive. And also obviously the more Muslims there are the more weight their voices will have and so the more under pressure the the kind of the the secular assumptions of the west will come and I don't quite know I I don't know where that will go.

Co-host Francis Foster says that the worry the British people have is that the Islam present in that country will not moderate and accommodate itself to secular norms. And the more Muslims there are in UK society, the less pressure they will face to moderate.

Well. Labour MP Shabana Mahmood has just been named Home Secretary by PM Keir Starmer, meaning she is in charge of immigration policy and policing. Here she is earlier at a "globalize the intifada" protest in the UK. It's hard to predict exactly where the UK is going, but the signs are not encouraging.]
 
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