Mitch Blood Green said:

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jbbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Why in the world do Trump want to start a trade war with two of our best trading partners?

Trump's love for tariffs is a real head scratcher. If he follows through with this, expect inflation to return with a vengeance and shortages of many products. Will be VERY painful for the middle and lower classes.

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It explains why he has had so many business failures. He picks unnecessary fights.

I don't see any scenario where any of them take this lying down.

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I can only wish to have so many business failures.....and own Mar-a-Lago and iconic real estate in NY city.
Only Dumbocrats make these kind of idiotic statements.

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You could if your dad left you $500M.

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Fake news as usual. You probably think Baylor's paying Finn $750K in NIL money right?

historian said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Why in the world do Trump want to start a trade war with two of our best trading partners?

Trump's love for tariffs is a real head scratcher. If he follows through with this, expect inflation to return with a vengeance and shortages of many products. Will be VERY painful for the middle and lower classes.

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It's a popular idea because most people don't know much about economics.

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I know about economics and I am not against them. Just because the globalist economists repeat scare tactics doesn't make them universally bad. They are a tool, I suspect Trump will use them accordingly.

Redbrickbear said:

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French novelist Michel Houellebecq wrote an article for Harper's magazine in 2018 titled "Donald Trump Is A Good President." Since we're talking about tariffs and trade, here is what Houellebecq said then: pic.twitter.com/JG5FE62eSN

— FischerKing (@FischerKing64) November 26, 2024

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It's a tweet worth reading.

It's really funny seeing how the Dem's who were once protectionists when Clinton was in office have completely shifted to being anti-American and pro-Globalist in that period of time. Just shows you how powerful the media's social engineering is.

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historian said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Why in the world do Trump want to start a trade war with two of our best trading partners?

Trump's love for tariffs is a real head scratcher. If he follows through with this, expect inflation to return with a vengeance and shortages of many products. Will be VERY painful for the middle and lower classes.

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It's a popular idea because most people don't know much about economics.

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I know about economics and I am not against them. Just because the globalist economists repeat scare tactics doesn't make them universally bad. They are a tool, I suspect Trump will use them accordingly.

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I also understand economics reasonably well and think tariffs are most useful when they are small, like all taxes. I read on another thread someone suggest that it's a negotiating tactic for Trump. I'm ok with that or even a modest increase of tariffs for goods from some countries, especially those who abuse or exploit our economy. But I also know how dangerous they can be. I laissez faire economist would argue that the best tariff rate is zero and that free trade should always be the goal. I agree with the understanding that reality might require adjustments.

Price of Fentanyl will rise sharply https://t.co/OOCm5oyRNj

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 26, 2024

jbbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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jbbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Why in the world do Trump want to start a trade war with two of our best trading partners?

Trump's love for tariffs is a real head scratcher. If he follows through with this, expect inflation to return with a vengeance and shortages of many products. Will be VERY painful for the middle and lower classes.

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It explains why he has had so many business failures. He picks unnecessary fights.

I don't see any scenario where any of them take this lying down.

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I can only wish to have so many business failures.....and own Mar-a-Lago and iconic real estate in NY city.
Only Dumbocrats make these kind of idiotic statements.

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You could if your dad left you $500M.

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Fake news as usual. You probably think Baylor's paying Finn $750K in NIL money right?

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You believe Trump is self made?

Redbrickbear said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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So many tariff naysayers thinking Trump just doesn't get it.

Every single globalist news media and politician has been scaring you since the 80's. Communities are lessened by American workers having to compete with slave labor. The globalists don't give one iota about the crime in your neighborhoods, the weakening of the moral fabric of society, the poverty, the foreign control of the American workforce, or you or your family. They just want to transfer wealth from you to them. If you can't see what they've done to our communities by flooding it with illegals and exporting jobs, that's on you.

if American companies can't use slave and child labor, then American consumers shouldn't be able to buy from these globalist companies that do. American workers should not have to compete against slavery. Fair trade with free market as a guideline.

Last, Tariffs are a tool and Trump's instincts are usually spot on. His first term was some of the best we've seen. He's clearly going to work with these nations to ensure that they're prioritizing what we need them to prioritize. Could easily see Trump using the tariff with Mexico to reduce immigration and drugs.

If you're siding with progressives on economics, you're probably on the wrong side of things.

Last, the US and the West built China up. We've created a trading partner that can now rival us and is a potential threat to freedom across the globe. Yay team unfettered globalism, good job.

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Sure, but you are forgetting an important thing

THEIR COMMUNITIES are not harmed....that is what is really important

Beverly Hills California, Highland Park Texas, Lincoln Park Chicago, DC, and Manhattan NY are not harmed by globalization and they don't care about how many good paying manufacturing jobs there are in the USA.....just that the stocks go up

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Don't guess you have spent a lot of time in Manhattan. All of Manhattan is not the UES. I give you Inwood and upper Harlem for just a few. All you good people who love to go to Wally World looking for low prices gonna have to stop. Wally World is one of the most complicit importing Chinese goods by the Billions. Additionally, those rerfering to Chinese and Mexican "slave labor". I can only give you my experience in both places. I can only speak to very large factories in both countries that I ran back in my corp. days.

Specifically, in China, those factory jobs are great jobs, particularly for folks in the country that come to the bigger cities to work. We paid a very fair wage (for China). Additionally , we provided housing (dorms) and 3 squares a day (good food, not prison food). In Mexico, our folks made a good wage and insurance. I'm sure there is slave labor in some countries where are clothes are made. Just my first hand experience.

if Trumps adds on new big ass tariffs that he is discussing from China, Mexico, and Canada, anyone with basic economic knowledge should know that. We import 4.5M barrels of oil from Canada per day.

I’m willing to pay more money for stuff so Americans don’t OD on fentanyl and women don’t get raped & murdered. pic.twitter.com/tlP22rqz33

— Mostly Peaceful Memes (@MostlyPeacefull) November 26, 2024

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-mexico-stop-flow-migrants-after-speaking-mexican-president-following-tariff-threats


Problem solved

Redbrickbear said:

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It’s very simple…

84% of Mexico’s exports go to the US
77% of Canada’s exports go to the US

Trump has more leverage and he knows it. pic.twitter.com/ZN6QEOxJB3

— Geiger Capital (@Geiger_Capital) November 26, 2024

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And guess what, 90% of Canada's exports to the U.S. are oil/gas/chem and automobiles - mostly produced by American companies or affiliates. In addition, we export to Canada around 70% of what we
Import from Canada, and virtually all of those exports to Canada are produced by U.S. companies..

jbbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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jbbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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jbbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Why in the world do Trump want to start a trade war with two of our best trading partners?

Trump's love for tariffs is a real head scratcher. If he follows through with this, expect inflation to return with a vengeance and shortages of many products. Will be VERY painful for the middle and lower classes.

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It explains why he has had so many business failures. He picks unnecessary fights.

I don't see any scenario where any of them take this lying down.

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I can only wish to have so many business failures.....and own Mar-a-Lago and iconic real estate in NY city.
Only Dumbocrats make these kind of idiotic statements.

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You could if your dad left you $500M.

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Fake news as usual. You probably think Baylor's paying Finn $750K in NIL money right?

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You believe Trump is self made?

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Pretty much. He started with more than most but built it far far more than most. You don't think his business and family are highly successful? Looks like the American dream to me. Or do u prefer people building wealth off the backs of the tax payers like the Clintons, Obamas and Bidens?

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gonna take a little umbrage there. Trump isn't self made by any stretch. His daddy gave him $444M. Hell, $3B isn't a lot if you start with $444M. I hardly call that self made. I will give him credit for finding a way to the top job in the land.

jbbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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jbbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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jbbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Why in the world do Trump want to start a trade war with two of our best trading partners?

Trump's love for tariffs is a real head scratcher. If he follows through with this, expect inflation to return with a vengeance and shortages of many products. Will be VERY painful for the middle and lower classes.

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It explains why he has had so many business failures. He picks unnecessary fights.

I don't see any scenario where any of them take this lying down.

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I can only wish to have so many business failures.....and own Mar-a-Lago and iconic real estate in NY city.
Only Dumbocrats make these kind of idiotic statements.

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You could if your dad left you $500M.

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Fake news as usual. You probably think Baylor's paying Finn $750K in NIL money right?

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You believe Trump is self made?

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Pretty much. He started with more than most but built it far far more than most. You don't think his business and family are highly successful? Looks like the American dream to me. Or do u prefer people building wealth off the backs of the tax payers like the Clintons, Obamas and Bidens?

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Eric and Jr. NO. Ivanka, yes. The 2 Trump boys have done nothing on their own as far as I'm aware.

J.R. said:

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jbbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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jbbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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jbbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Why in the world do Trump want to start a trade war with two of our best trading partners?

Trump's love for tariffs is a real head scratcher. If he follows through with this, expect inflation to return with a vengeance and shortages of many products. Will be VERY painful for the middle and lower classes.

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It explains why he has had so many business failures. He picks unnecessary fights.

I don't see any scenario where any of them take this lying down.

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I can only wish to have so many business failures.....and own Mar-a-Lago and iconic real estate in NY city.
Only Dumbocrats make these kind of idiotic statements.

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You could if your dad left you $500M.

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Fake news as usual. You probably think Baylor's paying Finn $750K in NIL money right?

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You believe Trump is self made?

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Pretty much. He started with more than most but built it far far more than most. You don't think his business and family are highly successful? Looks like the American dream to me. Or do u prefer people building wealth off the backs of the tax payers like the Clintons, Obamas and Bidens?

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gonna take a little umbrage there. Trump isn't self made by any stretch. His daddy gave him $444M. Hell, $3B isn't a lot if you start with $444M. I hardly call that self made. I will give him credit for finding a way to the top job in the land.

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cite your source on the money Fred gave DJT

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J.R. said:

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jbbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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jbbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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jbbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Why in the world do Trump want to start a trade war with two of our best trading partners?

Trump's love for tariffs is a real head scratcher. If he follows through with this, expect inflation to return with a vengeance and shortages of many products. Will be VERY painful for the middle and lower classes.

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It explains why he has had so many business failures. He picks unnecessary fights.

I don't see any scenario where any of them take this lying down.

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I can only wish to have so many business failures.....and own Mar-a-Lago and iconic real estate in NY city.
Only Dumbocrats make these kind of idiotic statements.

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You could if your dad left you $500M.

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Fake news as usual. You probably think Baylor's paying Finn $750K in NIL money right?

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You believe Trump is self made?

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Pretty much. He started with more than most but built it far far more than most. You don't think his business and family are highly successful? Looks like the American dream to me. Or do u prefer people building wealth off the backs of the tax payers like the Clintons, Obamas and Bidens?

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gonna take a little umbrage there. Trump isn't self made by any stretch. His daddy gave him $444M. Hell, $3B isn't a lot if you start with $444M. I hardly call that self made. I will give him credit for finding a way to the top job in the land.

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cite your source on the money Fred gave DJT

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He can't. Jr. makes this up as he goes along.

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Redbrickbear said:

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It’s very simple…

84% of Mexico’s exports go to the US
77% of Canada’s exports go to the US

Trump has more leverage and he knows it. pic.twitter.com/ZN6QEOxJB3

— Geiger Capital (@Geiger_Capital) November 26, 2024

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And guess what, 90% of Canada's exports to the U.S. are oil/gas/chem and automobiles - mostly produced by American companies or affiliates. In addition, we export to Canada around 70% of what we
Import from Canada, and virtually all of those exports to Canada are produced by U.S. companies..

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Yes both Canada and Mexico are very tied into the U.S. economy

And that is why they will give in if the U.S. government puts pressure on them

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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French novelist Michel Houellebecq wrote an article for Harper's magazine in 2018 titled "Donald Trump Is A Good President." Since we're talking about tariffs and trade, here is what Houellebecq said then: pic.twitter.com/JG5FE62eSN

— FischerKing (@FischerKing64) November 26, 2024

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It's a tweet worth reading.

It's really funny seeing how the Dem's who were once protectionists when Clinton was in office have completely shifted to being anti-American and pro-Globalist in that period of time. Just shows you how powerful the media's social engineering is.

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Clinton was not protectionist by any measure. Probably an example of how "anti-globalist" rhetoric has corrupted perspectives.

Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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It’s very simple…

84% of Mexico’s exports go to the US
77% of Canada’s exports go to the US

Trump has more leverage and he knows it. pic.twitter.com/ZN6QEOxJB3

— Geiger Capital (@Geiger_Capital) November 26, 2024

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And guess what, 90% of Canada's exports to the U.S. are oil/gas/chem and automobiles - mostly produced by American companies or affiliates. In addition, we export to Canada around 70% of what we
Import from Canada, and virtually all of those exports to Canada are produced by U.S. companies..

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Yes both Canada and Mexico are very tied into the U.S. economy

And that is why they will give in if the U.S. government puts pressure on them

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They will not give in because they know Trump will not actually do it because he'd be hurting mostly U.S. companies and raising U.S. prices. Canada is weird … but mostly not stupid ….

UPDATE:

Mexico’s President Claudia Sheinbaum has rejected Trump’s claim that their conversation resulted in an “immediate” border closure.

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) November 28, 2024

Even if Mexico put a wall on their southern border with Guatemala and Belize, their biggest issue with be with folks circumventing it and coming from the ocean, into Mexico's jungles. Population is pretty sparse in many of those areas. They are going to have get very strict to stop that

BREAKING: Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau has flown to Florida to meet with President-elect Trump, AP sources say. The trip comes after Trump threatened tariffs. https://t.co/YoxI9bRjiZ

— The Associated Press (@AP) November 30, 2024

ATL Bear said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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French novelist Michel Houellebecq wrote an article for Harper's magazine in 2018 titled "Donald Trump Is A Good President." Since we're talking about tariffs and trade, here is what Houellebecq said then: pic.twitter.com/JG5FE62eSN

— FischerKing (@FischerKing64) November 26, 2024

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It's a tweet worth reading.

It's really funny seeing how the Dem's who were once protectionists when Clinton was in office have completely shifted to being anti-American and pro-Globalist in that period of time. Just shows you how powerful the media's social engineering is.

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Clinton was not protectionist by any measure. Probably an example of how "anti-globalist" rhetoric has corrupted perspectives.

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Yes I know, but Dem voters up to that point were still protectionist. Worded it a bit off earlier. My point was that Clinton ushered in the globalist favoring Dems, and the voters started moving along with them. Now they have moved so far that they are pro one world government and being beholden to the other nations.

J.R. said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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So many tariff naysayers thinking Trump just doesn't get it.

Every single globalist news media and politician has been scaring you since the 80's. Communities are lessened by American workers having to compete with slave labor. The globalists don't give one iota about the crime in your neighborhoods, the weakening of the moral fabric of society, the poverty, the foreign control of the American workforce, or you or your family. They just want to transfer wealth from you to them. If you can't see what they've done to our communities by flooding it with illegals and exporting jobs, that's on you.

if American companies can't use slave and child labor, then American consumers shouldn't be able to buy from these globalist companies that do. American workers should not have to compete against slavery. Fair trade with free market as a guideline.

Last, Tariffs are a tool and Trump's instincts are usually spot on. His first term was some of the best we've seen. He's clearly going to work with these nations to ensure that they're prioritizing what we need them to prioritize. Could easily see Trump using the tariff with Mexico to reduce immigration and drugs.

If you're siding with progressives on economics, you're probably on the wrong side of things.

Last, the US and the West built China up. We've created a trading partner that can now rival us and is a potential threat to freedom across the globe. Yay team unfettered globalism, good job.

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Sure, but you are forgetting an important thing

THEIR COMMUNITIES are not harmed....that is what is really important

Beverly Hills California, Highland Park Texas, Lincoln Park Chicago, DC, and Manhattan NY are not harmed by globalization and they don't care about how many good paying manufacturing jobs there are in the USA.....just that the stocks go up

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Don't guess you have spent a lot of time in Manhattan. All of Manhattan is not the UES. I give you Inwood and upper Harlem for just a few. All you good people who love to go to Wally World looking for low prices gonna have to stop. Wally World is one of the most complicit importing Chinese goods by the Billions. Additionally, those rerfering to Chinese and Mexican "slave labor". I can only give you my experience in both places. I can only speak to very large factories in both countries that I ran back in my corp. days.

Specifically, in China, those factory jobs are great jobs, particularly for folks in the country that come to the bigger cities to work. We paid a very fair wage (for China). Additionally , we provided housing (dorms) and 3 squares a day (good food, not prison food). In Mexico, our folks made a good wage and insurance. I'm sure there is slave labor in some countries where are clothes are made. Just my first hand experience.

if Trumps adds on new big ass tariffs that he is discussing from China, Mexico, and Canada, anyone with basic economic knowledge should know that. We import 4.5M barrels of oil from Canada per day.

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Sorry you'll have to pay more to replace your beeper.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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French novelist Michel Houellebecq wrote an article for Harper's magazine in 2018 titled "Donald Trump Is A Good President." Since we're talking about tariffs and trade, here is what Houellebecq said then: pic.twitter.com/JG5FE62eSN

— FischerKing (@FischerKing64) November 26, 2024

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It's a tweet worth reading.

It's really funny seeing how the Dem's who were once protectionists when Clinton was in office have completely shifted to being anti-American and pro-Globalist in that period of time. Just shows you how powerful the media's social engineering is.

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Clinton was not protectionist by any measure. Probably an example of how "anti-globalist" rhetoric has corrupted perspectives.

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Yes I know, but Dem voters up to that point were still protectionist. Worded it a bit off earlier. My point was that Clinton ushered in the globalist favoring Dems, and the voters started moving along with them. Now they have moved so far that they are pro one world government and being beholden to the other nations.

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Advances in technology and communications in the 90's ushered in a more integrated world economy, and thus "globalism". That ultimately enabled the same with government collaboration, which helped add fuel to the "one world government" theories. Fortunately, that has to be achieved by old fashioned legislation, which we still have some semblance of control over. But we certainly need to be cognizant of our treaties and entanglements, which I agree liberals like to get us into some crazy ones like Climate Accords, extra-national rights, etc.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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jbbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Why in the world do Trump want to start a trade war with two of our best trading partners?

Trump's love for tariffs is a real head scratcher. If he follows through with this, expect inflation to return with a vengeance and shortages of many products. Will be VERY painful for the middle and lower classes.

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It explains why he has had so many business failures. He picks unnecessary fights.

I don't see any scenario where any of them take this lying down.

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I can only wish to have so many business failures.....and own Mar-a-Lago and iconic real estate in NY city.
Only Dumbocrats make these kind of idiotic statements.

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You could if your dad left you $500M.

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Even if correct most people have no clue what it takes to 20x that and yet they think they are certainly smarter than fat Orange and if they knew who their daddy was and that daddy gave them $500m they would certainly be worth more than elon musk

Smdh

I am accumulating PDD $96 and below

The tarriff fear porn is hilarious.