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In the Trump era, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of MAGA will defend him. Heck, Trump knew every letter of this and more and still nominated him for freaking AG.
Character matters or it doesn't.
since the news came out, I've yet to see anyone defend him. Have you?
Half the posters on here and virtually every MAGA influencer is either outright defending him, questioning the evidence, or playing whataboutism.
it's pointing out hypocrisy.
Sombear does not like it when you point out hypocrisy on the Left
I forget if he is still claiming on here to be a "principled conservative" or not
I get these Liz Cheney-Republican types confused all the time since they are indistinguishable from Clinton-Democrats
Don't agree with this. Sombear is one of the most consistent and principled members of this board.
He's correct that there is a double standard here. The same posters who decried Biden as a pedophile based on statements made in an alleged stolen diary are the posters questioning the evidence against Gaetz (when there is a mountain of evidence against Gaetz by comparison). I am no criminal lawyer, but I can say with certainty that the amount of sworn deposition testimony against him would be damning in any civil trial.
Gaetz is a POS. I may agree with a number of the things he believes, politically, but that doesn't change the fact he's a POS. Does it mean he committed a crime? Apparently not, but he's still a scumbag of the tallest order.
Alleged stolen diary? The one the FBI raided journalists to recover? The one Ashley admitted she left behind? The one we have photographs of the entry in question? That's a lot more than merely alleged.
Just so I am clear, you are convinced that is sufficient evidence to prove that Biden is a pedophile, but the scores of witnesses and deposition testimony that say Gaetz was using drugs, having sex with underage girls and paying off women for sex is not very credible?
I keep hearing about all the people who said they witnessed him having sex with under age girls but then only one 17 year old gets mentioned specifically and none of the accusers are listed. The accusations sound exactly the same as those levied by democrats every time the try to character assassinate a Republican. The accusations against Biden were levied BY HIS OWN DAUGHTER. That added to the hours of footage we all witnessed of Biden groping and sniffing every kid he could get his hands on and stories of getting kids to rub his legs when he was a lifeguard and it's not hard to believe Joe is a child predator. You want evidence of a partisan hack, find me someone who starts calling evidence that was verified years ago "alleged". Next you'll claim hunters laptop is merely alleged to exist.
Like I said, tell me you're a partisan hack without telling me you're a partisan hack. When you feel a diary that doesn't actually accuse Biden of being a pedophile is credible evidence of pedophilia but numerous sworn witnesses who witnessed Gaetz engaging in such behavior isn't, then you might be a partisan hack.
Yeah, I'm sure the inappropriate showers with her father were really just innocent fun that she got twisted in her memory as she tried to recover from a drug problem and wrote about in her recovery diary. A partisan hack would look at photographic evidence and still claim it's merely alleged to exist. Gaetz MIGHT be guilty of everything alleged, but for some reason there hasn't been enough evidence to bring forth charges from anyone. But you go on ignoring that in order to convict him for the sake of your argument. That's not partisan hack behavior at all...
So, you are ready to declare Biden a pedophile based on statements by his daughter with a drug problem in her diary but are defending Gaetz against numerous witnesses who said he they saw him having sex with a 17 year old and taking drugs (among other evidence) and paying "girlfriends" tens of thousands of dollars for sex, conduct which he essentially admitted. That, my friend, is indeed a partisan hack.
Everyone on this board knows that if Gaetz were a Dem, you'd be calling for him to be prosecuted - just like Biden. Take your blinders off and call bad behavior for what it is. It shouldn't matter whether they are an R or D.
The person making the accusation matters and who they are making that accusation to matters. One is the daughter of the accused writing in her personal diary that was meant for her eyes only. The other is unverified claims being used by political opponents that couldn't be verified by a department of justice investigation. Your apples will never be oranges. But again, as I have said repeatedly, Gaetz COULD BE guilty of all these crimes, the problem is his accusers haven't proven anything. The evidence was so weak the DOJ under Biden dropped the investigation. Now the accusations are brought back out to stop his nomination and we have clowns pretending that means he was found guilty of said accusations. That's not how things work.
So, in your mind, multiple witnesses testifying under oath they saw Gaetz having sex and using drugs is much less credible than the evidence of Biden's pedophilia based on his daughter saying that she was taking "showers with my dad (probably not appropriate)" at an unknown age in her diary? That's enough for you to say Biden is a pedophile, but multiple people testifying under oath regarding Gaetz isn't enough to suggest he did something, at the very least, that was inappropriate, if not borderline illegal?
LOL. You are certainly right that it's an apples to oranges comparison. There is a whole lot more evidence of Gaetz doing what he has been accused of than Biden being a pedophile.
Yes, the personal diary of Ashley Biden talking about inappropriate showers with her father while also talking about being a hypersexualized child etc is far more damning than witnesses put forth by political opponents.
I'm sure you believe Justice Kavanaugh is a serial rapist, too, right? After all, a witness under oath swore he was a serial rapist so it MUST be true. No witness has ever been found to be without credibility, right?
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Can't believe that your statements are so ridiculous they're making me defend Biden. A few things...
1) We have no idea from her statement when and in what circumstances those alleged showers occurred, if at all. While I don't disagree that showering with your children in normal circumstances is creepy, that is not evidence that Biden is a pedophile, or that he sexually molested or assaulted his daughter. As for being hypersexualized, we once again have no context to understand what that means. Does it mean she was allowed to wear inappropriate things? Or does it mean something more sinister, such as someone in the household was grooming her? No clue, because we have no context. Yet that has not prevented you from declaring Biden a pedo. Of course, we all know that if these accusations had been leveled at Trump, you'd be defending him.
2) What evidence do you have that the numerous witnesses who testified under oath against Gaetz were "put forth by political opponents"? This was a bi-partisan committee, just FYI. What evidence do you have the witnesses had an axe to grind? Gaetz already admitted to paying numerous women he was having sex with.
Anyone who believes that the vague statements in Ashley Biden's diary are more damning than numerous witnesses who testified against Gaetz under oath is a dumb @ss.
The DOJ couldn't do anything to Gaetz with all that testimony you've swallowed as undeniable fact. Political opponents aren't necessarily members of the opposite party. You WANT their testimony to be fact, that is clear. But your desires and what actually is don't seem to be matching up. If Matt is guilty of these crimes he needs to be prosecuted, but for some reason there isn't enough evidence for that. Does that stop you or make you take a beat to consider that maybe he is being railroaded? Nope. Personally I hope you're wrong because I don't want some predator getting investigated by the Department of Justice and still getting away with his crimes.
We have witnessed Biden groping and sniffing kids, saying inappropriate things to them and even falling off his bike when he saw a little girl and rode straight to her. In addition to Biden's own words and actions, his daughter was driven to drug abuse and in her recovery she mentioned inappropriate showers with Joe while she mentioned being a hypersexualized child and listed other behaviors that went along with it. Her words, written to herself and no one else. At this point, only a dumbass would dismiss that as merely an "alleged diary".
A few things...
1) Never said Gaetz committed a crime. Doesn't mean the things he's been accused of are not accurate. The prosecutor's decision to prosecute or not prosecute is based on numerous factors. Thousands of crimes go unprosecuted each and every day. There is a notorious crime in my neck of the woods involving a Catholic priest who the DA has strong evidence committed sexual crimes against children. Do I think he's absolutely guilty of the crimes? Yes, considering I am good friends with one of his victims. But the case is never going to get prosecuted, for reasons I will not get into here.
2) Biden touching kids or sniffing their hair, while creepy, is not sexual assault, nor definitive evidence he is a pedo. Nor is Biden's daughter's comments evidence he is a pedo. Is he actually a pedo? Who knows? Might be. But the evidence you have presented thus far certainly doesn't prove same.
The difference between us is I have reached no conclusion on either Biden or Gaetz committing a crime, like you have. While I think the evidence is pretty overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that Gaetz is a scumbag based on his admitted conduct, I've reached no conclusion he committed a crime. You on the other hand believe Biden is a pedo who should be prosecuted based on the flimsy evidence in his daughter's diary. No doubt, if Biden were a Republican, you would be singing a different tune, biased partisan hack that you are.
Unless Ashley pressed charges there is no way to prosecute Biden, and wouldn't the statute of limitation be up anyway? You're in denial about Biden, but thankfully it's a non-issue now that he has been taken out by his own party. I give you credit for bringing yourself to admit the diary is real. But Biden can't be convicted if there is no investigation. Gaetz was investigated. No charges could be brought. At least one of the witnesses has been revealed as a liar. Accusing republicans of sex crimes is the Democrat playbook, chapter 1. It's happened over and over and over. I notice you didn't address the fact that Kavanaugh also had a witness testify under oath against him, but that's fine, that doesn't reveal anything other than an acknowledgment that political operatives will find people to lie under oath if they think they can take out a political opponent. That's what this looks like to me, one more in a long line of character assassination attempts by the swamp. But as I have said, repeatedly, Gaetz might be guilty of all those things he accused of doing, I don't know. Somehow you've twisted that into thinking I have an unwavering belief in his innocence.
You need to read closer. I never foreclosed the possibility the diary is real. What I said is the statements therein don't prove anything, other than the Bidens may be a creepy family. They are certainly not evidence that Joe Biden is a pedo. He could be, certainly, but the diary in no way proves he is, contrary to your specious assertions.
I am not sure where you came up with the idea that Ashley would have to press charges for Biden to be prosecuted. That is simply erroneous. The police can act on their own accord if they feel they have sufficient evidence of a crime. They do it in the case of domestic violence all the time. And of course, no charges were ever brought.
With respect to Gaetz, if it was a he said, she said situation, and there was only one witness - the accuser - whose story was contradicted and could not be corroborated as there was in the Kavanaugh case, you might have a legitimate point. But in the case of Gaetz, there were multiple witnesses who testified about witnessing him having sex and doing drugs. There were also financial records that appeared to indicate payment for drugs and sex, the latter of which he essential admitted (paying "girlfriends"). So comparing his situation to Kavanaugh's is apples to bowling balls.
A bipartisan committee, with subpoena power, believed the evidence indicated illicit conduct on the part of Gaetz had been committed. But if you want to believe multiple people lied, and this was all one big conspiracy, so be it.
If we start going down the path of listing all the things Joe should have been charged with we would be here for days. Somehow the lack of charges against Biden are used as a defense of the charges of pedophile but the lack of charges against Gaetz means nothing . Seems very convenient for your argument. "It could mean something else" is not a defense of what was explicitly written by Ashley and the context around the statement. Who would be in position to bring the hammer down on Joe for the crime at this point? Is there a statute of limitations? These are legitimate questions so don't be offended by me asking you.
Matt being seen doing drugs and having sex are definitely bad but not crimes in and of themselves. If he had sex with a minor, transported her across state lines(trafficked) and paid her then he would have been prosecuted. At this point, he has been charged with nothing. But that somehow opens the door to ALL accusations being repeated as fact. You want to act like it was such an open and shut case but not one charge was able to be prosecuted. Gaetz is hardly as protected from prosecution as Biden seems to have been for all these decades, but as I said, a daughter's testimony holds far more weight than that of strangers' gathered by others with ulterior motives, some of whom have been exposed for giving false testimony.
"There is a reason they did this to me in a Christmas Eve-Eve report and not in a courtroom of any kind where I could present evidence and challenge witnesses," Gaetz wrote on X, contending that many of the claims in the report were inaccurate. He has repeatedly denied having sex with anyone under 18 and said money he transferred to women was to compensate girlfriends or ex-girlfriends for their travel.
Chris Dorworth, the former Florida state representative at whose home Gaetz allegedly had sex with the 17-year-old, denounced the report and said its release was an act of retaliation against Gaetz for helping to bring down former Speaker Kevin McCarthy.
"This is clearly a congressional hit job. It is painfully clear these women are lying," Dorworth wrote on X. "This is a shakedown that caught fire because Matt kicked Kevin McCarthy out of his job. This DID NOT HAPPEN. Every thing they said about me being there and witnessing any of it is a lie."
Zero charges. Your prosecution is lacking.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
