Porteroso said:

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I'm surprised that the January 6th "insurrection" didn't involve more guns considering that Trump supporters are gun lovers.

A real insurrection involves guns.

I think the Democrats don't want anyone getting too close to the 2020 election because they might find the truth in the anomaly.

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Insurrection is simply the takeover of a government. These people made our elected leaders hide in safe rooms or flee underground while they were trying to peacefully transfer power. Many assaulted police officers. I don't normally care if politicians get a little roughed up, but had they actually caught Pelosi we all know she would he dead right now. Pence too. They were recording themselves talking about it.

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Yep. There really is one born every minute.

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Not really. Most of them were peacefully protesting a stolen election. Federal agents were able to escalate it into something else & a Capitol police officer murdered one person in cold blood (& was pardoned by Joe Biden). Without FBI, CIA, & Capitol Police instigators there might not have been any violence at all. We will never know. We also may never know the full extant of the real crimes because the J6 committee spent most of their time covers it up, destroying evidence, & building a false narrative which the fascist press has been repeating ever since.

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Congress was in session. Trespassing is the first crime they committed. Many were calling for death and vigilante justice, another crime. Congress was in session to peacefully transfer power from one elected official to the next, and they were wanting to stop it. Many said so out loud on recordings. Another crime.

These are criminals, not peaceful protesters. Congress is protested every day, and breaching the Capitol is never a part of it.

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Yes

Grandmothers and grandfathers deserved 2-5 months of solitary confinement for trespassing .

Ask your parents to provide you a bloody clue.

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Criminals sometimes get punished. Republicans used to understand that. Rules for thee, but not for me, your new motto?

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Address Biden's 1000s of pardons that even your side has condemned. You have no respect from anyone... probably not even yourself.

Most corrupt justice department ever under Biden.

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Yeah, I did though. Biden's were bad, but had Trump at least not pardoned the violent insurrectionists, Republicans would have a clear advantage after Biden's dementia addled pardons. Both sides did the same basic thing though. Sad for anyone interested in the rule of law, which neither face of the unitary is.

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Porteroso said:

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Yogi said:

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I'm surprised that the January 6th "insurrection" didn't involve more guns considering that Trump supporters are gun lovers.

A real insurrection involves guns.

I think the Democrats don't want anyone getting too close to the 2020 election because they might find the truth in the anomaly.

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Insurrection is simply the takeover of a government. These people made our elected leaders hide in safe rooms or flee underground while they were trying to peacefully transfer power. Many assaulted police officers. I don't normally care if politicians get a little roughed up, but had they actually caught Pelosi we all know she would he dead right now. Pence too. They were recording themselves talking about it.

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Yep. There really is one born every minute.

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All you zealots do is blab on with your same ole tired insults when you have nothing. Anything to avoid dealing with the facts you don't like, I guess.

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Porteroso said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Porteroso said:

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Yogi said:

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I'm surprised that the January 6th "insurrection" didn't involve more guns considering that Trump supporters are gun lovers.

A real insurrection involves guns.

I think the Democrats don't want anyone getting too close to the 2020 election because they might find the truth in the anomaly.

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Insurrection is simply the takeover of a government. These people made our elected leaders hide in safe rooms or flee underground while they were trying to peacefully transfer power. Many assaulted police officers. I don't normally care if politicians get a little roughed up, but had they actually caught Pelosi we all know she would he dead right now. Pence too. They were recording themselves talking about it.

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rioters made them do that..

Nobody attempted to take over a govt..

You need serious help

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They recorded themselves saying they wanted to stop the transfer of power. They said they would hang Mike Pence if he didn't throw out the results. They are who need help.

I can understand burying your face in the sand from time to time, but it has been 4 years of coverage on this. Surely you pay some attention?

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if I say, I'm gonna rob a bank, it's just words. If I actively try to rob a bank, then it's premeditation.

Nothing they did equals the words, even if they had temporarily stopped the transfer of power. They still would not have taken over the government. They just interrupted a government proceeding. We have a USC code for it, because that's what they did.

Out of the 120 thousand people that were there, one percent of them were rioters and maybe 100 total were more significant. At no point could these hundred people have taken over the government?

The capital building is not the government

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I'm not sure I understand why they thought it was going to work either, but trying at all, in however laughable a way, is illegal.

In your analogy, this is more like saying you are going to rob a bank, breaking into the bank while they are counting the money, brandishing a stick at some employees, but then getting nothing because the tellers lock themselves in the vault. Then all the bank robbers in the country say "SEE they didnt rob a bank!!!!"

cowboycwr said:

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Porteroso said:

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Yogi said:

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I'm surprised that the January 6th "insurrection" didn't involve more guns considering that Trump supporters are gun lovers.

A real insurrection involves guns.

I think the Democrats don't want anyone getting too close to the 2020 election because they might find the truth in the anomaly.

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Insurrection is simply the takeover of a government. These people made our elected leaders hide in safe rooms or flee underground while they were trying to peacefully transfer power. Many assaulted police officers. I don't normally care if politicians get a little roughed up, but had they actually caught Pelosi we all know she would he dead right now. Pence too. They were recording themselves talking about it.

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Lol. Not true at all.

Unarmed people were not about to kill anyone or take over the government.

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Don't downplay J6 as some non-event. It may have not been an insurrection, but it was a travesty. It was not a bunch of tourist going down the wrong hall by accident like you guys pretend. It was a bunch of fringe right lunatics that were trying to stop the certification of an election. They forced Congress to abandon the Chamber and delay certification. That is illegal and deserves prosecution

4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Porteroso said:

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Yogi said:

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I'm surprised that the January 6th "insurrection" didn't involve more guns considering that Trump supporters are gun lovers.

A real insurrection involves guns.

I think the Democrats don't want anyone getting too close to the 2020 election because they might find the truth in the anomaly.

---

Insurrection is simply the takeover of a government. These people made our elected leaders hide in safe rooms or flee underground while they were trying to peacefully transfer power. Many assaulted police officers. I don't normally care if politicians get a little roughed up, but had they actually caught Pelosi we all know she would he dead right now. Pence too. They were recording themselves talking about it.

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Lol. Not true at all.

Unarmed people were not about to kill anyone or take over the government.

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Don't downplay J6 as some non-event. It may have not been an insurrection, but it was a travesty. It was not a bunch of tourist going down the wrong hall by accident like you guys pretend. It was a bunch of fringe right lunatics that were trying to stop the certification of an election. They forced Congress to abandon the Chamber and delay certification. That is illegal and deserves prosecution

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and many of them spent years in jail for it. Most of what happened that day would be less than 5 years at the state level. They were way over prosecuted, judicial review proved that

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The key phrase is State Level. I agree at the State level it would be less. But, it wasn't. It was Congress and a National General Election. How can ANY Nation not come down hard on that? Did they think the Federal Government was going to just say, "OK, slap on the wrist. Disrupt our Presidential elections any time?" To quote a great line from Tulsa King - "What are you a child? What did you think was going to happen?"

They tried to stop, delay or change the Certification of an election. What did they think was going to happen??? If the plan all along was pardon, then Trump hung them out for four years. If they thought it would be ignored, which I have no idea how anyone in their right mind thinks J6 on National TV would be ignored is beyond me.

Married A Horn said:

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Porteroso said:

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Married A Horn said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Not really. Most of them were peacefully protesting a stolen election. Federal agents were able to escalate it into something else & a Capitol police officer murdered one person in cold blood (& was pardoned by Joe Biden). Without FBI, CIA, & Capitol Police instigators there might not have been any violence at all. We will never know. We also may never know the full extant of the real crimes because the J6 committee spent most of their time covers it up, destroying evidence, & building a false narrative which the fascist press has been repeating ever since.

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Congress was in session. Trespassing is the first crime they committed. Many were calling for death and vigilante justice, another crime. Congress was in session to peacefully transfer power from one elected official to the next, and they were wanting to stop it. Many said so out loud on recordings. Another crime.

These are criminals, not peaceful protesters. Congress is protested every day, and breaching the Capitol is never a part of it.

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Yes

Grandmothers and grandfathers deserved 2-5 months of solitary confinement for trespassing .

Ask your parents to provide you a bloody clue.

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Criminals sometimes get punished. Republicans used to understand that. Rules for thee, but not for me, your new motto?

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Address Biden's 1000s of pardons that even your side has condemned. You have no respect from anyone... probably not even yourself.

Most corrupt justice department ever under Biden.

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Yeah, I did though. Biden's were bad, but had Trump at least not pardoned the violent insurrectionists, Republicans would have a clear advantage after Biden's dementia addled pardons. Both sides did the same basic thing though. Sad for anyone interested in the rule of law, which neither face of the unitary is.

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Sorry dude... Fauci funding gain of function and partnering up with big pharma to kill 100s of 1000s is way worse. Biden had every sort of hard criminal pardoned... murder included. And those are the least it's significant of the group. All of his crime family and influence peddling is a million times worse.

Yeah, its not close. Ray Epps and Nancy Pelosi were behind making sure things got out of hand. The panel destroyed evidence - lied and covered up.

4 years of solitary and lack of trials and all the other stuff thrown at the j6ers is plenty.

'Rules for thee but not for me' - Porto

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This is the re Red Brick was talking about. But whaaaa the other side!!!

Simply taking what I say and reposting it as if you thought of it must be one of the lowest effort posts I've ever seen.

Chuckroast said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Porteroso said:

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Yogi said:

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I'm surprised that the January 6th "insurrection" didn't involve more guns considering that Trump supporters are gun lovers.

A real insurrection involves guns.

I think the Democrats don't want anyone getting too close to the 2020 election because they might find the truth in the anomaly.

---

Insurrection is simply the takeover of a government. These people made our elected leaders hide in safe rooms or flee underground while they were trying to peacefully transfer power. Many assaulted police officers. I don't normally care if politicians get a little roughed up, but had they actually caught Pelosi we all know she would he dead right now. Pence too. They were recording themselves talking about it.

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Lol. Not true at all.

Unarmed people were not about to kill anyone or take over the government.

---

Don't downplay J6 as some non-event. It may have not been an insurrection, but it was a travesty. It was not a bunch of tourist going down the wrong hall by accident like you guys pretend. It was a bunch of fringe right lunatics that were trying to stop the certification of an election. They forced Congress to abandon the Chamber and delay certification. That is illegal and deserves prosecution

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and many of them spent years in jail for it. Most of what happened that day would be less than 5 years at the state level. They were way over prosecuted, judicial review proved that

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The key phrase is State Level. I agree at the State level it would be less. But, it wasn't. It was Congress and a National General Election. How can ANY Nation not come down hard on that? Did they think the Federal Government was going to just say, "OK, slap on the wrist. Disrupt our Presidential elections any time?" To quote a great line from Tulsa King - "What are you a child? What did you think was going to happen?"

They tried to stop, delay or change the Certification of an election. What did they think was going to happen??? If the plan all along was pardon, then Trump hung them out for four years. If they thought it would be ignored, which I have no idea how anyone in their right mind thinks J6 on National TV would be ignored is beyond me.

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Honest question - would it change your opinion of J6 if there was proof that Pelosi and the administration deliberately denied security, planted props such as the fake pipe bombs, and planted FBI informants to instigate the crowd in hopes that things would get out of hand and they could use an insurrection narrative against Trump and his supporters? If not, then I think we're simply at an impasse. I cannot support a government or political party like that.

For what it's worth, it has been proven in court that the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping case involved entrapment by the government. J6 seems to have been entrapment on steroids. I'm hoping we will be able to get to the bottom of it.

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If that is proven, yes. If it goes down like Watergate, where people go to jail because it is proven in a court of law? Of course! Then it would beat Watergate. No question.

FLBear5630 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Porteroso said:

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Yogi said:

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I'm surprised that the January 6th "insurrection" didn't involve more guns considering that Trump supporters are gun lovers.

A real insurrection involves guns.

I think the Democrats don't want anyone getting too close to the 2020 election because they might find the truth in the anomaly.

---

Insurrection is simply the takeover of a government. These people made our elected leaders hide in safe rooms or flee underground while they were trying to peacefully transfer power. Many assaulted police officers. I don't normally care if politicians get a little roughed up, but had they actually caught Pelosi we all know she would he dead right now. Pence too. They were recording themselves talking about it.

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Lol. Not true at all.

Unarmed people were not about to kill anyone or take over the government.

---

Don't downplay J6 as some non-event. It may have not been an insurrection, but it was a travesty. It was not a bunch of tourist going down the wrong hall by accident like you guys pretend. It was a bunch of fringe right lunatics that were trying to stop the certification of an election. They forced Congress to abandon the Chamber and delay certification. That is illegal and deserves prosecution

---

and many of them spent years in jail for it. Most of what happened that day would be less than 5 years at the state level. They were way over prosecuted, judicial review proved that

---

The key phrase is State Level. I agree at the State level it would be less. But, it wasn't. It was Congress and a National General Election. How can ANY Nation not come down hard on that? Did they think the Federal Government was going to just say, "OK, slap on the wrist. Disrupt our Presidential elections any time?" To quote a great line from Tulsa King - "What are you a child? What did you think was going to happen?"

They tried to stop, delay or change the Certification of an election. What did they think was going to happen??? If the plan all along was pardon, then Trump hung them out for four years. If they thought it would be ignored, which I have no idea how anyone in their right mind thinks J6 on National TV would be ignored is beyond me.

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Honest question - would it change your opinion of J6 if there was proof that Pelosi and the administration deliberately denied security, planted props such as the fake pipe bombs, and planted FBI informants to instigate the crowd in hopes that things would get out of hand and they could use an insurrection narrative against Trump and his supporters? If not, then I think we're simply at an impasse. I cannot support a government or political party like that.

For what it's worth, it has been proven in court that the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping case involved entrapment by the government. J6 seems to have been entrapment on steroids. I'm hoping we will be able to get to the bottom of it.

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If that is proven, yes. If it goes down like Watergate, where people go to jail because it is proven in a court of law? Of course! Then it would beat Watergate. No question.

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Flbear: 'its only worse when the government says its worse'

FLBear5630 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Porteroso said:

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Yogi said:

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I'm surprised that the January 6th "insurrection" didn't involve more guns considering that Trump supporters are gun lovers.

A real insurrection involves guns.

I think the Democrats don't want anyone getting too close to the 2020 election because they might find the truth in the anomaly.

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Insurrection is simply the takeover of a government. These people made our elected leaders hide in safe rooms or flee underground while they were trying to peacefully transfer power. Many assaulted police officers. I don't normally care if politicians get a little roughed up, but had they actually caught Pelosi we all know she would he dead right now. Pence too. They were recording themselves talking about it.

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Lol. Not true at all.

Unarmed people were not about to kill anyone or take over the government.

---

Don't downplay J6 as some non-event. It may have not been an insurrection, but it was a travesty. It was not a bunch of tourist going down the wrong hall by accident like you guys pretend. It was a bunch of fringe right lunatics that were trying to stop the certification of an election. They forced Congress to abandon the Chamber and delay certification. That is illegal and deserves prosecution

---

and many of them spent years in jail for it. Most of what happened that day would be less than 5 years at the state level. They were way over prosecuted, judicial review proved that

---

The key phrase is State Level. I agree at the State level it would be less. But, it wasn't. It was Congress and a National General Election. How can ANY Nation not come down hard on that? Did they think the Federal Government was going to just say, "OK, slap on the wrist. Disrupt our Presidential elections any time?" To quote a great line from Tulsa King - "What are you a child? What did you think was going to happen?"

They tried to stop, delay or change the Certification of an election. What did they think was going to happen??? If the plan all along was pardon, then Trump hung them out for four years. If they thought it would be ignored, which I have no idea how anyone in their right mind thinks J6 on National TV would be ignored is beyond me.

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Honest question - would it change your opinion of J6 if there was proof that Pelosi and the administration deliberately denied security, planted props such as the fake pipe bombs, and planted FBI informants to instigate the crowd in hopes that things would get out of hand and they could use an insurrection narrative against Trump and his supporters? If not, then I think we're simply at an impasse. I cannot support a government or political party like that.

For what it's worth, it has been proven in court that the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping case involved entrapment by the government. J6 seems to have been entrapment on steroids. I'm hoping we will be able to get to the bottom of it.

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If that is proven, yes. If it goes down like Watergate, where people go to jail because it is proven in a court of law? Of course! Then it would beat Watergate. No question.

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Fair enough

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It wasn't just about the stolen election. America watched Democrats incite, cheer on and outright fund 8 months of violent, deadly BLM riots with zero consequences. Rioters were given space to destroy, bailed out by politicians like Kamala and people who defended themselves were prosecuted by leftist DAs. Covid restrictions were flouted and ignored en masse while law abiding citizens lost work and were kept from seeing loved ones in nursing homes and hospitals. It was not just the stolen election, not by a long shot.

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It was BLM/antifa rioting without consequence, COVID lockdowns, vaccine mandates, mandatory electric car executive orders, entrapment by federal officials in the Whitmer kidnapping and J6 incidents, Russia collusion hoax, election interference with respect to Hunter's laptop and lawfare against Trump, uninvestigated election fraud in the 2020 election, and the censorship of dissenting opinions on all of these matters through tech companies. The government had a heavy hand in all of this. Historian got scolded for using the term "fascist," but we have never seen our government act in such a corrupt, autocratic manner in our lifetimes. I'm still pinching myself that we were able to cast aside that government.

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For the moment. The lefties have some very underhanded ways of attacking conservatives.

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Porteroso said:

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Married A Horn said:

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Porteroso said:

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Married A Horn said:

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Porteroso said:

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Not really. Most of them were peacefully protesting a stolen election. Federal agents were able to escalate it into something else & a Capitol police officer murdered one person in cold blood (& was pardoned by Joe Biden). Without FBI, CIA, & Capitol Police instigators there might not have been any violence at all. We will never know. We also may never know the full extant of the real crimes because the J6 committee spent most of their time covers it up, destroying evidence, & building a false narrative which the fascist press has been repeating ever since.

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Congress was in session. Trespassing is the first crime they committed. Many were calling for death and vigilante justice, another crime. Congress was in session to peacefully transfer power from one elected official to the next, and they were wanting to stop it. Many said so out loud on recordings. Another crime.

These are criminals, not peaceful protesters. Congress is protested every day, and breaching the Capitol is never a part of it.

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Yes

Grandmothers and grandfathers deserved 2-5 months of solitary confinement for trespassing .

Ask your parents to provide you a bloody clue.

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Criminals sometimes get punished. Republicans used to understand that. Rules for thee, but not for me, your new motto?

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Address Biden's 1000s of pardons that even your side has condemned. You have no respect from anyone... probably not even yourself.

Most corrupt justice department ever under Biden.

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Yeah, I did though. Biden's were bad, but had Trump at least not pardoned the violent insurrectionists, Republicans would have a clear advantage after Biden's dementia addled pardons. Both sides did the same basic thing though. Sad for anyone interested in the rule of law, which neither face of the unitary is.

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Sorry dude... Fauci funding gain of function and partnering up with big pharma to kill 100s of 1000s is way worse. Biden had every sort of hard criminal pardoned... murder included. And those are the least it's significant of the group. All of his crime family and influence peddling is a million times worse.

Yeah, its not close. Ray Epps and Nancy Pelosi were behind making sure things got out of hand. The panel destroyed evidence - lied and covered up.

4 years of solitary and lack of trials and all the other stuff thrown at the j6ers is plenty.

'Rules for thee but not for me' - Porto

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This is the re Red Brick was talking about. But whaaaa the other side!!!

Simply taking what I say and reposting it as if you thought of it must be one of the lowest effort posts I've ever seen.

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Oh wow. You really dont like these points being brought up.

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It is just speculation, and by the way, nobody forced all these people to assault police.

There is a middle ground, where we recognize that these are criminals, but that most don't really deserve more than a slap on the wrist. Some assaulted cops, others walked into open doors with no barrier to entry. There is that middle ground, but instead the conservative zealots want to pretend it was 100% the government's fault, and the lib zealots act like it was the most dangerous insurrection the country has ever seen.

I am inclined to agree more with the lib take, because members of Congress might have died had they still been there. Who knows. But they weren't, so the attempt was laughable, except for the cops with heart attacks and Ms. Babbitt who died.

Porteroso said:

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Married A Horn said:

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Porteroso said:

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Married A Horn said:

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Porteroso said:

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Married A Horn said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Not really. Most of them were peacefully protesting a stolen election. Federal agents were able to escalate it into something else & a Capitol police officer murdered one person in cold blood (& was pardoned by Joe Biden). Without FBI, CIA, & Capitol Police instigators there might not have been any violence at all. We will never know. We also may never know the full extant of the real crimes because the J6 committee spent most of their time covers it up, destroying evidence, & building a false narrative which the fascist press has been repeating ever since.

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Congress was in session. Trespassing is the first crime they committed. Many were calling for death and vigilante justice, another crime. Congress was in session to peacefully transfer power from one elected official to the next, and they were wanting to stop it. Many said so out loud on recordings. Another crime.

These are criminals, not peaceful protesters. Congress is protested every day, and breaching the Capitol is never a part of it.

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Yes

Grandmothers and grandfathers deserved 2-5 months of solitary confinement for trespassing .

Ask your parents to provide you a bloody clue.

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Criminals sometimes get punished. Republicans used to understand that. Rules for thee, but not for me, your new motto?

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Address Biden's 1000s of pardons that even your side has condemned. You have no respect from anyone... probably not even yourself.

Most corrupt justice department ever under Biden.

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Yeah, I did though. Biden's were bad, but had Trump at least not pardoned the violent insurrectionists, Republicans would have a clear advantage after Biden's dementia addled pardons. Both sides did the same basic thing though. Sad for anyone interested in the rule of law, which neither face of the unitary is.

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Sorry dude... Fauci funding gain of function and partnering up with big pharma to kill 100s of 1000s is way worse. Biden had every sort of hard criminal pardoned... murder included. And those are the least it's significant of the group. All of his crime family and influence peddling is a million times worse.

Yeah, its not close. Ray Epps and Nancy Pelosi were behind making sure things got out of hand. The panel destroyed evidence - lied and covered up.

4 years of solitary and lack of trials and all the other stuff thrown at the j6ers is plenty.

'Rules for thee but not for me' - Porto

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This is the re Red Brick was talking about. But whaaaa the other side!!!

Simply taking what I say and reposting it as if you thought of it must be one of the lowest effort posts I've ever seen.

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Oh wow. You really dont like these points being brought up.

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It is just speculation, and by the way, nobody forced all these people to assault police.

There is a middle ground, where we recognize that these are criminals, but that most don't really deserve more than a slap on the wrist. Some assaulted cops, others walked into open doors with no barrier to entry. There is that middle ground, but instead the conservative zealots want to pretend it was 100% the government's fault, and the lib zealots act like it was the most dangerous insurrection the country has ever seen.

I am inclined to agree more with the lib take, because members of Congress might have died had they still been there. Who knows. But they weren't, so the attempt was laughable, except for the cops with heart attacks and Ms. Babbitt who died.

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Your middle paragraph is what we have been saying. We just add in the left's role in the whole situation. You dont.

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The FBI was claiming it was the most secure election ever within hours of the election ... when it clearly wasn't the most secure election ever.

Never mind the 15+ million votes that just disappeared this election. Crazy I know.

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What is crazy is people who clearly knew nothing about politics in 2020. Anyone with a brain knew Trump was going to inspire a historic turnout, both for and against him.

The idea that the libs were able to manufacture 15 million votes in one election, but not the next, is what is crazy. Don't tell me right wing conspiracy theorists keeping "a real close eye" on the polling stations did it.

Married A Horn said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Porteroso said:

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Yogi said:

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I'm surprised that the January 6th "insurrection" didn't involve more guns considering that Trump supporters are gun lovers.

A real insurrection involves guns.

I think the Democrats don't want anyone getting too close to the 2020 election because they might find the truth in the anomaly.

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Insurrection is simply the takeover of a government. These people made our elected leaders hide in safe rooms or flee underground while they were trying to peacefully transfer power. Many assaulted police officers. I don't normally care if politicians get a little roughed up, but had they actually caught Pelosi we all know she would he dead right now. Pence too. They were recording themselves talking about it.

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Lol. Not true at all.

Unarmed people were not about to kill anyone or take over the government.

---

Don't downplay J6 as some non-event. It may have not been an insurrection, but it was a travesty. It was not a bunch of tourist going down the wrong hall by accident like you guys pretend. It was a bunch of fringe right lunatics that were trying to stop the certification of an election. They forced Congress to abandon the Chamber and delay certification. That is illegal and deserves prosecution

---

and many of them spent years in jail for it. Most of what happened that day would be less than 5 years at the state level. They were way over prosecuted, judicial review proved that

---

The key phrase is State Level. I agree at the State level it would be less. But, it wasn't. It was Congress and a National General Election. How can ANY Nation not come down hard on that? Did they think the Federal Government was going to just say, "OK, slap on the wrist. Disrupt our Presidential elections any time?" To quote a great line from Tulsa King - "What are you a child? What did you think was going to happen?"

They tried to stop, delay or change the Certification of an election. What did they think was going to happen??? If the plan all along was pardon, then Trump hung them out for four years. If they thought it would be ignored, which I have no idea how anyone in their right mind thinks J6 on National TV would be ignored is beyond me.

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Honest question - would it change your opinion of J6 if there was proof that Pelosi and the administration deliberately denied security, planted props such as the fake pipe bombs, and planted FBI informants to instigate the crowd in hopes that things would get out of hand and they could use an insurrection narrative against Trump and his supporters? If not, then I think we're simply at an impasse. I cannot support a government or political party like that.

For what it's worth, it has been proven in court that the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping case involved entrapment by the government. J6 seems to have been entrapment on steroids. I'm hoping we will be able to get to the bottom of it.

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If that is proven, yes. If it goes down like Watergate, where people go to jail because it is proven in a court of law? Of course! Then it would beat Watergate. No question.

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Flbear: 'its only worse when the government says its worse'

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No. But there has to be some process where both sides get to address the evidence and a judgement is reached. It can't just be one side saying this or that, for both sides. Where else but the courts does that happen in the arena we are talking? It is not like a scientific experiment or data analysis.

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I'm surprised that the January 6th "insurrection" didn't involve more guns considering that Trump supporters are gun lovers.

A real insurrection involves guns.

I think the Democrats don't want anyone getting too close to the 2020 election because they might find the truth in the anomaly.

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Insurrection is simply the takeover of a government. These people made our elected leaders hide in safe rooms or flee underground while they were trying to peacefully transfer power. Many assaulted police officers. I don't normally care if politicians get a little roughed up, but had they actually caught Pelosi we all know she would he dead right now. Pence too. They were recording themselves talking about it.

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Lol. Not true at all.

Unarmed people were not about to kill anyone or take over the government.

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Don't downplay J6 as some non-event. It may have not been an insurrection, but it was a travesty. It was not a bunch of tourist going down the wrong hall by accident like you guys pretend. It was a bunch of fringe right lunatics that were trying to stop the certification of an election. They forced Congress to abandon the Chamber and delay certification. That is illegal and deserves prosecution

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and many of them spent years in jail for it. Most of what happened that day would be less than 5 years at the state level. They were way over prosecuted, judicial review proved that

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The key phrase is State Level. I agree at the State level it would be less. But, it wasn't. It was Congress and a National General Election. How can ANY Nation not come down hard on that? Did they think the Federal Government was going to just say, "OK, slap on the wrist. Disrupt our Presidential elections any time?" To quote a great line from Tulsa King - "What are you a child? What did you think was going to happen?"

They tried to stop, delay or change the Certification of an election. What did they think was going to happen??? If the plan all along was pardon, then Trump hung them out for four years. If they thought it would be ignored, which I have no idea how anyone in their right mind thinks J6 on National TV would be ignored is beyond me.

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Honest question - would it change your opinion of J6 if there was proof that Pelosi and the administration deliberately denied security, planted props such as the fake pipe bombs, and planted FBI informants to instigate the crowd in hopes that things would get out of hand and they could use an insurrection narrative against Trump and his supporters? If not, then I think we're simply at an impasse. I cannot support a government or political party like that.

For what it's worth, it has been proven in court that the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping case involved entrapment by the government. J6 seems to have been entrapment on steroids. I'm hoping we will be able to get to the bottom of it.

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If that is proven, yes. If it goes down like Watergate, where people go to jail because it is proven in a court of law? Of course! Then it would beat Watergate. No question.

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Flbear: 'its only worse when the government says its worse'

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No. But there has to be some process where both sides get to address the evidence and a judgement is reached. It can't just be one side saying this or that, for both sides. Where else but the courts does that happen in the arena we are talking? It is not like a scientific experiment or data analysis.

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I agree that one side saying something doesn't make it true. But we were able to see lots of evidence and statistical anomalies that cast doubt on the integrity of the 2020 election..

There were scores of affidavits from election workers across the country sworn under the penalty of perjury (criminal liability) that simply went disregarded. These affidavits reported all sorts of election irregularities… Votes, arriving overnight with no chain of custody, etc. ballots that had no crease in them… Meaning that they weren't ever mailed. To top it off, we were told to accept that even though Biden won far fewer counties nationwide than Obama did, he somehow received 15 million more votes than Obama. It simply didn't add up. There was no way for it all to be investigated in the short time that the electoral votes had to be certified, and once they were certified, there was no will on the side of the Democrats to investigate. Not only that, the Democrats accused anyone wanting to investigate these alleged irregularities of being election deniers, of obstructing the law, and even being insurrectionists.

If the Democrats refuse to indict or even investigate potential election fraud, then how can the courts weigh in?

Does the truth of a matter depend on a conviction in court? Did you believe OJ was innocent? Reasonable and intelligent people can look at all of the facts and conclude that the 2020 election was not on the up and up. In the meantime, we were being gaslit that it was the most secure election ever.

Leading up to the 2024 election, absentee voting was made more secure by the courts in many states over the objections of Democrats, and voila, the Democrats received 20 million fewer votes than in 2020. Nothing to see there for some people I guess. To many fair minded people, it was even more validation that the 2020 election was ridden with fraud.