Trump Shuts Down USAID

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BearFan33 said:

Married A Horn said:

Trump's team files motion to dissolve the ex-parte illegal lawfare:

"At approximately 1:00 a.m. on Saturday, February 8, 2025, this Court issued an exparteTemporary Restraining Order that purported to limit access to a vast swath of Treasury systems to only "civil servants," while prohibiting "all political appointees" from doing the same.

On its face, the Order could be read to cover all political leadership within Treasuryincluding even Secretary Bessent.

This is a remarkable intrusion on the Executive Branch that is in direct conflict with Article II of the Constitution, and the unitary structure it provides.

There is not and cannot be a basis for distinguishing between "civil servants" and "political appointees."Basic democratic accountability requires that every executive agency's work be supervised by politically accountable leadership, who ultimately answer to the President.

A federal court, consistent with the separation of powers, cannot insulate any portion of that work from the specter of political accountability.

No court can issue an injunction that directly severs the clear line of supervision Article II requires. Because the Order on its face draws an impermissible and anti-constitutional distinction, it should be dissolved immediately.

At minimum, the Court should either clarify or modify its Order, so as to avoid its most direct constitutional and practical hazards.As written, the injunction is markedly overbroad.

There is no sound reason that it should extend to Treasury's leadership, who are charged with overseeing and administering the Department without interruption.

To the extent the Order applies to senior political appointees at Treasury, it is an extraordinary and unprecedented judicial interference with a Cabinet Secretary's ability to oversee the Department he was constitutionally appointed to lead. Interfering with those basic functions, even for a day, will cause irreparable harm to the government.

By contrast, Plaintiffs have not even attempted to show how they would suffer any irreparable harm as a result of Treasury's political leadership being excluded from the temporary injunction.

If the Court is unwilling to grant relief from its Order, the United States respectfully requests that the Order be stayed pending the disposition of any appeal that is authorized, or at a minimum that such relief be administratively stayed for a period of seven days to allow the United States to seek an emergency, expedited stay from the Court of Appeals.

To be clear, notwithstanding the Order's defects, Defendants are in compliance with it. As described below, Defendants have taken what they believe to be all necessary steps to comply with the Court's Order. But this is not a durable status quo.

To remedy the serious problems beget by the Order's breadth, the Court should immediately dissolve, clarify, or modify the Order while this matter is being briefed, argued, and decided on the merits."
Get back from the ledge Sam, unlike Biden who ignored SCOTUS, Trump is fighting this unlawful ruling in court. If Musk's review leads to improper money going to this judge or immediate family members, he should be first in line to be arrested. A few appropriate arrests would stop 95% of this lawfare BS.


Sam: quick on the draw to point out any potential microscopic Trump infraction. Can't see decades of major fraud and lawlessness by the left.
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Married A Horn said:

BearFan33 said:

Married A Horn said:

Trump's team files motion to dissolve the ex-parte illegal lawfare:

"At approximately 1:00 a.m. on Saturday, February 8, 2025, this Court issued an exparteTemporary Restraining Order that purported to limit access to a vast swath of Treasury systems to only "civil servants," while prohibiting "all political appointees" from doing the same.

On its face, the Order could be read to cover all political leadership within Treasuryincluding even Secretary Bessent.

This is a remarkable intrusion on the Executive Branch that is in direct conflict with Article II of the Constitution, and the unitary structure it provides.

There is not and cannot be a basis for distinguishing between "civil servants" and "political appointees."Basic democratic accountability requires that every executive agency's work be supervised by politically accountable leadership, who ultimately answer to the President.

A federal court, consistent with the separation of powers, cannot insulate any portion of that work from the specter of political accountability.

No court can issue an injunction that directly severs the clear line of supervision Article II requires. Because the Order on its face draws an impermissible and anti-constitutional distinction, it should be dissolved immediately.

At minimum, the Court should either clarify or modify its Order, so as to avoid its most direct constitutional and practical hazards.As written, the injunction is markedly overbroad.

There is no sound reason that it should extend to Treasury's leadership, who are charged with overseeing and administering the Department without interruption.

To the extent the Order applies to senior political appointees at Treasury, it is an extraordinary and unprecedented judicial interference with a Cabinet Secretary's ability to oversee the Department he was constitutionally appointed to lead. Interfering with those basic functions, even for a day, will cause irreparable harm to the government.

By contrast, Plaintiffs have not even attempted to show how they would suffer any irreparable harm as a result of Treasury's political leadership being excluded from the temporary injunction.

If the Court is unwilling to grant relief from its Order, the United States respectfully requests that the Order be stayed pending the disposition of any appeal that is authorized, or at a minimum that such relief be administratively stayed for a period of seven days to allow the United States to seek an emergency, expedited stay from the Court of Appeals.

To be clear, notwithstanding the Order's defects, Defendants are in compliance with it. As described below, Defendants have taken what they believe to be all necessary steps to comply with the Court's Order. But this is not a durable status quo.

To remedy the serious problems beget by the Order's breadth, the Court should immediately dissolve, clarify, or modify the Order while this matter is being briefed, argued, and decided on the merits."
Get back from the ledge Sam, unlike Biden who ignored SCOTUS, Trump is fighting this unlawful ruling in court. If Musk's review leads to improper money going to this judge or immediate family members, he should be first in line to be arrested. A few appropriate arrests would stop 95% of this lawfare BS.


Sam: quick on the draw to point out any potential microscopic Trump infraction. Can't see decades of major fraud and lawlessness by the left.
Yep, a very noticeable pattern.
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The same people who claim SCOTUS is just a GOP body suddenly have no problem with other judges threatening democracy.
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Redbrickbear said:


She better hope she made a big kickback on that one. Doubt there will be a lot of suitors for her to run their programs in her near future
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ScottS said:

Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:


This may be the most sinister of all the actions.

For those that throw around the term fascist but do not understand it - this is actual fascism.
Why is that?
Sam,
You see nothing wrong here? All ok? Nothing wrong with state run media and leaks?
I see the problem. I'm just curious why he's calling it fascism.
Because its Tax dollars used for the purpose of quelling dissent toward the government.
If anything it seems to be encouraging dissent.


I'm struggling to find your post where you called out Biden's team for similar and worse.

If anyone should be thrilled with the corruption being exposed, it should be you…. unless you're just spewing party talking points.
You shouldn't be struggling. Anyone who's read my posts (apparently not many have) knows I detest Biden.

I am thrilled with exposing corruption, especially with regard to USAID. Is it too much to insist on doing it legally?
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4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
the courts are designed to keep congress and exectutive in check.. who keeps the courts in check?
Congress and the executive, working together to pass laws and appoint judges. Not a rogue executive defying the law and imprisoning his enemies, as some here seem to wish.
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Sam Lowry said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ScottS said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Redbrickbear said:


This may be the most sinister of all the actions.

For those that throw around the term fascist but do not understand it - this is actual fascism.
Why is that?
Sam,
You see nothing wrong here? All ok? Nothing wrong with state run media and leaks?
I see the problem. I'm just curious why he's calling it fascism.
Because its Tax dollars used for the purpose of quelling dissent toward the government.
If anything it seems to be encouraging dissent.


I'm struggling to find your post where you called out Biden's team for similar and worse.

If anyone should be thrilled with the corruption being exposed, it should be you…. unless you're just spewing party talking points.
You shouldn't be struggling. Anyone who's read my posts (apparently not many have) knows I detest Biden.

I am thrilled with exposing corruption, especially with regard to USAID. Is it too much to insist on doing it legally?
Tell us exactly how it's illegal. No, I mean exactly.

The CEO is running the corporation, and we the people who elected the CEO are the BoD.
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canoso said:

Sam Lowry said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ScottS said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Redbrickbear said:


This may be the most sinister of all the actions.

For those that throw around the term fascist but do not understand it - this is actual fascism.
Why is that?
Sam,
You see nothing wrong here? All ok? Nothing wrong with state run media and leaks?
I see the problem. I'm just curious why he's calling it fascism.
Because its Tax dollars used for the purpose of quelling dissent toward the government.
If anything it seems to be encouraging dissent.


I'm struggling to find your post where you called out Biden's team for similar and worse.

If anyone should be thrilled with the corruption being exposed, it should be you…. unless you're just spewing party talking points.
You shouldn't be struggling. Anyone who's read my posts (apparently not many have) knows I detest Biden.

I am thrilled with exposing corruption, especially with regard to USAID. Is it too much to insist on doing it legally?
Tell us exactly how it's illegal. No, I mean exactly.

The CEO is running the corporation, and we the people who elected the CEO are the BoD.
I never said that it was.

I hope what Trump is doing will stand up to legal scrutiny. If it doesn't, I'll be happy to explain why...assuming you actually care.
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Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
If a judge is paid to be corrupt and do the bidding of the paying party…what should happen to that judge?
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
If a judge is paid to be corrupt and do the bidding of the paying party…what should happen to that judge?
well congress and executive branch have to pick better in the future.. or at least that is what i got from his response to me
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4th and Inches said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
If a judge is paid to be corrupt and do the bidding of the paying party…what should happen to that judge?
well congress and executive branch have to pick better in the future.. or at least that is what i got from his response to me


But in the meantime, he's able to continue to be an obstructionist for the criminal left and nothing can happen to him.
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Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
the courts are designed to keep congress and exectutive in check.. who keeps the courts in check?
Congress and the executive, working together to pass laws and appoint judges. Not a rogue executive defying the law and imprisoning his enemies, as some here seem to wish.
The President can just ignore court orders.


If the right becomes fascist, you can blame the left and everyone that didn't stand up to their bs. The right has been the "play fair" team for years and it's only screwed them. You moderates didn't say a damn thing and you didn't stop the left…but now you're concerned? Please.
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
If a judge is paid to be corrupt and do the bidding of the paying party…what should happen to that judge?
What are you talking about? Some judge put a restraining order on DOGE. I haven't seen any allegation that he was paid off.
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
the courts are designed to keep congress and exectutive in check.. who keeps the courts in check?
Congress and the executive, working together to pass laws and appoint judges. Not a rogue executive defying the law and imprisoning his enemies, as some here seem to wish.
The President can just ignore court orders.


If the right becomes fascist, you can blame the left and everyone that didn't stand up to their bs. The right has been the "play fair" team for years and it's only screwed them. You moderates didn't say a damn thing and you didn't stop the left…but now you're concerned? Please.
You've been misled. He's talking about a different policy from the one rejected by SCOTUS.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/22/politics/biden-student-loan-forgiveness-supreme-court/index.html
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
the courts are designed to keep congress and exectutive in check.. who keeps the courts in check?
Congress and the executive, working together to pass laws and appoint judges. Not a rogue executive defying the law and imprisoning his enemies, as some here seem to wish.
The President can just ignore court orders.


If the right becomes fascist, you can blame the left and everyone that didn't stand up to their bs. The right has been the "play fair" team for years and it's only screwed them. You moderates didn't say a damn thing and you didn't stop the left…but now you're concerned? Please.
As I have stated 1,000 times, lots of the support of Trump is the reaction to Democrat hypocrisy.
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Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
If a judge is paid to be corrupt and do the bidding of the paying party…what should happen to that judge?
What are you talking about? Some judge put a restraining order on DOGE. I haven't seen any allegation that he was paid off.
DOGE has exposed a mountain of financial corruption and this judge blocked their ability to expose more financial corruption…so either this judge doesn't want that corruption exposed because she's part of it, or she's politically biased. Both should disqualify her.

If you think her restraining order is justified, and I don't mean lawfully, but ethically and morally, then you need to do some soul searching
Sam Lowry
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
the courts are designed to keep congress and exectutive in check.. who keeps the courts in check?
Congress and the executive, working together to pass laws and appoint judges. Not a rogue executive defying the law and imprisoning his enemies, as some here seem to wish.
The President can just ignore court orders.


If the right becomes fascist, you can blame the left and everyone that didn't stand up to their bs. The right has been the "play fair" team for years and it's only screwed them. You moderates didn't say a damn thing and you didn't stop the left…but now you're concerned? Please.
As I have stated 1,000 times, lots of the support of Trump is the reaction to Democrat hypocrisy.
Duh.

Hypocrisy begets hypocrisy.
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
If a judge is paid to be corrupt and do the bidding of the paying party…what should happen to that judge?
What are you talking about? Some judge put a restraining order on DOGE. I haven't seen any allegation that he was paid off.
DOGE has exposed a mountain of financial corruption and this judge blocked their ability to expose more financial corruption…so either this judge doesn't want that corruption exposed because she's part of it, or she's politically biased. Both should disqualify her.

If you think her restraining order is justified, and I don't mean lawfully, but ethically and morally, then you need to do some soul searching
In other words you have no knowledge of the details and are making assumptions based on what you want the result to be.
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Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
If a judge is paid to be corrupt and do the bidding of the paying party…what should happen to that judge?
What are you talking about? Some judge put a restraining order on DOGE. I haven't seen any allegation that he was paid off.
DOGE has exposed a mountain of financial corruption and this judge blocked their ability to expose more financial corruption…so either this judge doesn't want that corruption exposed because she's part of it, or she's politically biased. Both should disqualify her.

If you think her restraining order is justified, and I don't mean lawfully, but ethically and morally, then you need to do some soul searching
In other words you have no knowledge of the details and are making assumptions based on what you want the result to be.


All I just heard was " the fauci virus didn't start in the lab because the government hadn't told us that yet."
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Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
If a judge is paid to be corrupt and do the bidding of the paying party…what should happen to that judge?
What are you talking about? Some judge put a restraining order on DOGE. I haven't seen any allegation that he was paid off.
DOGE has exposed a mountain of financial corruption and this judge blocked their ability to expose more financial corruption…so either this judge doesn't want that corruption exposed because she's part of it, or she's politically biased. Both should disqualify her.

If you think her restraining order is justified, and I don't mean lawfully, but ethically and morally, then you need to do some soul searching
In other words you have no knowledge of the details and are making assumptions based on what you want the result to be.


All I just heard was " the fauci virus didn't start in the lab because the government hadn't told us that yet."
That doesn't surprise me.
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Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
the courts are designed to keep congress and exectutive in check.. who keeps the courts in check?
Congress and the executive, working together to pass laws and appoint judges. Not a rogue executive defying the law and imprisoning his enemies, as some here seem to wish.
The President can just ignore court orders.


If the right becomes fascist, you can blame the left and everyone that didn't stand up to their bs. The right has been the "play fair" team for years and it's only screwed them. You moderates didn't say a damn thing and you didn't stop the left…but now you're concerned? Please.
As I have stated 1,000 times, lots of the support of Trump is the reaction to Democrat hypocrisy.
Duh.

Hypocrisy begets hypocrisy.
Incorrect. The Democrats break virtually all of the norms and then feign outrage when they GOP follows their rules. I am not surprised you confound discretionary spending inside the executive branch to buying votes by illegally forgiving student loans.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
the courts are designed to keep congress and exectutive in check.. who keeps the courts in check?
Congress and the executive, working together to pass laws and appoint judges. Not a rogue executive defying the law and imprisoning his enemies, as some here seem to wish.
The President can just ignore court orders.


If the right becomes fascist, you can blame the left and everyone that didn't stand up to their bs. The right has been the "play fair" team for years and it's only screwed them. You moderates didn't say a damn thing and you didn't stop the left…but now you're concerned? Please.
As I have stated 1,000 times, lots of the support of Trump is the reaction to Democrat hypocrisy.
Duh.

Hypocrisy begets hypocrisy.
Incorrect. The Democrats break virtually all of the norms and then feign outrage when they GOP follows their rules. I am not surprised you confound discretionary spending inside the executive branch to buying votes by illegally forgiving student loans.
Every whataboutism is an admission of hypocrisy.

We can agree that the GOP is no better than the Dems (contrary to what everyone claimed to believe during the campaign).
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Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
the courts are designed to keep congress and exectutive in check.. who keeps the courts in check?
Congress and the executive, working together to pass laws and appoint judges. Not a rogue executive defying the law and imprisoning his enemies, as some here seem to wish.
The President can just ignore court orders.


If the right becomes fascist, you can blame the left and everyone that didn't stand up to their bs. The right has been the "play fair" team for years and it's only screwed them. You moderates didn't say a damn thing and you didn't stop the left…but now you're concerned? Please.
As I have stated 1,000 times, lots of the support of Trump is the reaction to Democrat hypocrisy.
Duh.

Hypocrisy begets hypocrisy.
Incorrect. The Democrats break virtually all of the norms and then feign outrage when they GOP follows their rules. I am not surprised you confound discretionary spending inside the executive branch to buying votes by illegally forgiving student loans.
Every whataboutism is an admission of hypocrisy.

We can agree that the GOP is no better than the Dems (contrary to what everyone claimed to believe during the campaign).


Dumb dumb statement. One of your worst. How many right-wing causes was usaid frauding the taxpayers out of? How many supreme court rulings has Trump ignored? How many right-wing spooks continually lied to keep democrats outbof office? How many right-wing politicians are trying to get dudes in women's sports? For you to say the 2 parties are the same exposes you for the evil that you are.
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Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
the courts are designed to keep congress and exectutive in check.. who keeps the courts in check?
Congress and the executive, working together to pass laws and appoint judges. Not a rogue executive defying the law and imprisoning his enemies, as some here seem to wish.
The President can just ignore court orders.


If the right becomes fascist, you can blame the left and everyone that didn't stand up to their bs. The right has been the "play fair" team for years and it's only screwed them. You moderates didn't say a damn thing and you didn't stop the left…but now you're concerned? Please.
As I have stated 1,000 times, lots of the support of Trump is the reaction to Democrat hypocrisy.
Duh.

Hypocrisy begets hypocrisy.
Incorrect. The Democrats break virtually all of the norms and then feign outrage when they GOP follows their rules. I am not surprised you confound discretionary spending inside the executive branch to buying votes by illegally forgiving student loans.
Every whataboutism is an admission of hypocrisy.

We can agree that the GOP is no better than the Dems (contrary to what everyone claimed to believe during the campaign).


Dumb dumb statement. One of your worst. How many right-wing causes was usaid frauding the taxpayers out of? How many supreme court rulings has Trump ignored? How many right-wing spooks continually lied to keep democrats outbof office? How many right-wing politicians are trying to get dudes in women's sports? For you to say the 2 parties are the same exposes you for the evil that you are.
It was Harrison who said it. I just agreed with him.

You've got a lot to learn about USAID if you don't think they support right-wing criminals and spooks.
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Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
the courts are designed to keep congress and exectutive in check.. who keeps the courts in check?
Congress and the executive, working together to pass laws and appoint judges. Not a rogue executive defying the law and imprisoning his enemies, as some here seem to wish.
The President can just ignore court orders.


If the right becomes fascist, you can blame the left and everyone that didn't stand up to their bs. The right has been the "play fair" team for years and it's only screwed them. You moderates didn't say a damn thing and you didn't stop the left…but now you're concerned? Please.
As I have stated 1,000 times, lots of the support of Trump is the reaction to Democrat hypocrisy.
Duh.

Hypocrisy begets hypocrisy.
Incorrect. The Democrats break virtually all of the norms and then feign outrage when they GOP follows their rules. I am not surprised you confound discretionary spending inside the executive branch to buying votes by illegally forgiving student loans.
Every whataboutism is an admission of hypocrisy.

We can agree that the GOP is no better than the Dems (contrary to what everyone claimed to believe during the campaign).


Dumb dumb statement. One of your worst. How many right-wing causes was usaid frauding the taxpayers out of? How many supreme court rulings has Trump ignored? How many right-wing spooks continually lied to keep democrats outbof office? How many right-wing politicians are trying to get dudes in women's sports? For you to say the 2 parties are the same exposes you for the evil that you are.
It was Harrison who said it. I just agreed with him.

You've got a lot to learn about USAID if you don't think they support right-wing criminals and spooks.


Yeah, tons of fraud coming out of usaid going to right-wing causes. /s

You've got a lot of catching up to do.

Way to deflect the fact that you think republicans and democrats are both equally bad.
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Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
the courts are designed to keep congress and exectutive in check.. who keeps the courts in check?
Congress and the executive, working together to pass laws and appoint judges. Not a rogue executive defying the law and imprisoning his enemies, as some here seem to wish.
The President can just ignore court orders.


If the right becomes fascist, you can blame the left and everyone that didn't stand up to their bs. The right has been the "play fair" team for years and it's only screwed them. You moderates didn't say a damn thing and you didn't stop the left…but now you're concerned? Please.
As I have stated 1,000 times, lots of the support of Trump is the reaction to Democrat hypocrisy.
Duh.

Hypocrisy begets hypocrisy.
Incorrect. The Democrats break virtually all of the norms and then feign outrage when they GOP follows their rules. I am not surprised you confound discretionary spending inside the executive branch to buying votes by illegally forgiving student loans.
Every whataboutism is an admission of hypocrisy.

We can agree that the GOP is no better than the Dems (contrary to what everyone claimed to believe during the campaign).


Dumb dumb statement. One of your worst. How many right-wing causes was usaid frauding the taxpayers out of? How many supreme court rulings has Trump ignored? How many right-wing spooks continually lied to keep democrats outbof office? How many right-wing politicians are trying to get dudes in women's sports? For you to say the 2 parties are the same exposes you for the evil that you are.
It was Harrison who said it. I just agreed with him.

You've got a lot to learn about USAID if you don't think they support right-wing criminals and spooks.


Yeah, tons of fraud coming out of usaid going to right-wing causes. /s

You've got a lot of catching up to do.

Way to deflect the fact that you think republicans and democrats are both equally bad.
I'm not deflecting from it at all. I just said I agreed with it.

Y'all are the ones who claim the moral high ground and then say "well, we're just following the Democratic playbook" whenever you get called out. Make up your mind.
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Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
the courts are designed to keep congress and exectutive in check.. who keeps the courts in check?
Congress and the executive, working together to pass laws and appoint judges. Not a rogue executive defying the law and imprisoning his enemies, as some here seem to wish.
The President can just ignore court orders.


If the right becomes fascist, you can blame the left and everyone that didn't stand up to their bs. The right has been the "play fair" team for years and it's only screwed them. You moderates didn't say a damn thing and you didn't stop the left…but now you're concerned? Please.
As I have stated 1,000 times, lots of the support of Trump is the reaction to Democrat hypocrisy.
Duh.

Hypocrisy begets hypocrisy.
Incorrect. The Democrats break virtually all of the norms and then feign outrage when they GOP follows their rules. I am not surprised you confound discretionary spending inside the executive branch to buying votes by illegally forgiving student loans.
Every whataboutism is an admission of hypocrisy.

We can agree that the GOP is no better than the Dems (contrary to what everyone claimed to believe during the campaign).
Incorrect. There is literally no moral, ethical, or legal reason why the Trump Administration cannot determine the recipients of foreign aide just as previous administrations did. The hypocrisy is the sudden butthurt of the regressive left whining about what it was doing until five minutes ago - especially after the most anti-democratic administration since FDR just left.

Hypocrisy would be celebrating Trump illegally forgiving student loans, which I would never do.

The fake outrage over cancelling some USAID programs is the peak of stupidity and hypocrisy.
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Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
the courts are designed to keep congress and exectutive in check.. who keeps the courts in check?
Congress and the executive, working together to pass laws and appoint judges. Not a rogue executive defying the law and imprisoning his enemies, as some here seem to wish.
The President can just ignore court orders.


If the right becomes fascist, you can blame the left and everyone that didn't stand up to their bs. The right has been the "play fair" team for years and it's only screwed them. You moderates didn't say a damn thing and you didn't stop the left…but now you're concerned? Please.
As I have stated 1,000 times, lots of the support of Trump is the reaction to Democrat hypocrisy.
Duh.

Hypocrisy begets hypocrisy.
Incorrect. The Democrats break virtually all of the norms and then feign outrage when they GOP follows their rules. I am not surprised you confound discretionary spending inside the executive branch to buying votes by illegally forgiving student loans.
Every whataboutism is an admission of hypocrisy.

We can agree that the GOP is no better than the Dems (contrary to what everyone claimed to believe during the campaign).


Dumb dumb statement. One of your worst. How many right-wing causes was usaid frauding the taxpayers out of? How many supreme court rulings has Trump ignored? How many right-wing spooks continually lied to keep democrats outbof office? How many right-wing politicians are trying to get dudes in women's sports? For you to say the 2 parties are the same exposes you for the evil that you are.
It was Harrison who said it. I just agreed with him.

You've got a lot to learn about USAID if you don't think they support right-wing criminals and spooks.


Yeah, tons of fraud coming out of usaid going to right-wing causes. /s

You've got a lot of catching up to do.

Way to deflect the fact that you think republicans and democrats are both equally bad.
I'm not deflecting from it at all. I just said I agreed with it.

Y'all are the ones who claim the moral high ground and then say "well, we're just following the Democratic playbook" whenever you get called out. Make up your mind.


So do you think republicans and democrats are equally criminal and evil as each other?
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
the courts are designed to keep congress and exectutive in check.. who keeps the courts in check?
Congress and the executive, working together to pass laws and appoint judges. Not a rogue executive defying the law and imprisoning his enemies, as some here seem to wish.
The President can just ignore court orders.


If the right becomes fascist, you can blame the left and everyone that didn't stand up to their bs. The right has been the "play fair" team for years and it's only screwed them. You moderates didn't say a damn thing and you didn't stop the left…but now you're concerned? Please.
As I have stated 1,000 times, lots of the support of Trump is the reaction to Democrat hypocrisy.
Duh.

Hypocrisy begets hypocrisy.
Incorrect. The Democrats break virtually all of the norms and then feign outrage when they GOP follows their rules. I am not surprised you confound discretionary spending inside the executive branch to buying votes by illegally forgiving student loans.
Every whataboutism is an admission of hypocrisy.

We can agree that the GOP is no better than the Dems (contrary to what everyone claimed to believe during the campaign).
Incorrect. There is literally no moral, ethical, or legal reason why the Trump Administration cannot determine the recipients of foreign aide just as previous administrations did.
Sure, but I don't think this thread is about the Trump administration just doing as previous administrations did.
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Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.
the courts are designed to keep congress and exectutive in check.. who keeps the courts in check?
Congress and the executive, working together to pass laws and appoint judges. Not a rogue executive defying the law and imprisoning his enemies, as some here seem to wish.
The President can just ignore court orders.


If the right becomes fascist, you can blame the left and everyone that didn't stand up to their bs. The right has been the "play fair" team for years and it's only screwed them. You moderates didn't say a damn thing and you didn't stop the left…but now you're concerned? Please.
As I have stated 1,000 times, lots of the support of Trump is the reaction to Democrat hypocrisy.
Duh.

Hypocrisy begets hypocrisy.
Incorrect. The Democrats break virtually all of the norms and then feign outrage when they GOP follows their rules. I am not surprised you confound discretionary spending inside the executive branch to buying votes by illegally forgiving student loans.
Every whataboutism is an admission of hypocrisy.

We can agree that the GOP is no better than the Dems (contrary to what everyone claimed to believe during the campaign).


Dumb dumb statement. One of your worst. How many right-wing causes was usaid frauding the taxpayers out of? How many supreme court rulings has Trump ignored? How many right-wing spooks continually lied to keep democrats outbof office? How many right-wing politicians are trying to get dudes in women's sports? For you to say the 2 parties are the same exposes you for the evil that you are.
It was Harrison who said it. I just agreed with him.

You've got a lot to learn about USAID if you don't think they support right-wing criminals and spooks.


Yeah, tons of fraud coming out of usaid going to right-wing causes. /s

You've got a lot of catching up to do.

Way to deflect the fact that you think republicans and democrats are both equally bad.
I'm not deflecting from it at all. I just said I agreed with it.

Y'all are the ones who claim the moral high ground and then say "well, we're just following the Democratic playbook" whenever you get called out. Make up your mind.


So do you think republicans and democrats are equally criminal and evil as each other?
On balance, yes. Each is worse than the other in particular ways.

The problem with Trump is not that he's uniquely evil, but he's inclined to cross certain boundaries that can't be uncrossed.
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In what ways are republicans more evil? This should be good.
 
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