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he's not backtracking. IMO he never had an intent to send troops there or anything like that.KaiBear said:
With the avalanche of negative responses from Democrats , Republicans and almost every country in the world…….
it appears Trump might be beginning to back track somewhat.
Hope so.
KaiBear said:
With the avalanche of negative responses from Democrats , Republicans and almost every country in the world…….
it appears Trump might be beginning to back track somewhat.
Hope so.
IMO, it was/will be a smokescreen for another way he wants to get it done. Another party/parties paying to do it. No matter what they say right nowMarried A Horn said:
Basically explaining it and saying what we were saying it was from the beginning?
Assassin said:IMO, it was/will be a smokescreen for another way he wants to get it done. Another party/parties paying to do it. No matter what they say right nowMarried A Horn said:
Basically explaining it and saying what we were saying it was from the beginning?
He is smooth...Married A Horn said:Are you saying its The Art of the Deal?Assassin said:IMO, it was/will be a smokescreen for another way he wants to get it done. Another party/parties paying to do it. No matter what they say right nowMarried A Horn said:
Basically explaining it and saying what we were saying it was from the beginning?
This is pathetic but it reminds me of the picture of Lord Rothschild poking King Charles in the chest telling him how its gonna be. Sadly Israel is Trumps boss.boognish_bear said:The respect Benjamin Netanyahu gets from Donald Trump is genuinely incredible to see. pic.twitter.com/WVYEZFWlTl
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He's not shoving the chair under Bidi's arse. He's pulling it out. Trump is a big practical jokermuddybrazos said:This is pathetic but it reminds me of the picture of Lord Rothschild poking King Charles in the chest telling him how its gonna be. Sadly Israel is Trumps boss.boognish_bear said:The respect Benjamin Netanyahu gets from Donald Trump is genuinely incredible to see. pic.twitter.com/WVYEZFWlTl
— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) February 4, 2025
muddybrazos said:This is pathetic but it reminds me of the picture of Lord Rothschild poking King Charles in the chest telling him how its gonna be. Sadly Israel is Trumps boss.boognish_bear said:The respect Benjamin Netanyahu gets from Donald Trump is genuinely incredible to see. pic.twitter.com/WVYEZFWlTl
— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) February 4, 2025
boognish_bear said:Thank you, President Trump! https://t.co/YEdYZA4EHI
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Listen to NCAA President Charlie Baker hem and haw and blame everyone from courts to “the locals” for HIS policy allowing men in women’s sports. It’s indefensible - and he knows it pic.twitter.com/gyFUm5qvJ0
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:I think you're wrong about this board. Many have expressed disdain for the idea. Many have taken a wait and see. Several think it "might" be good. Of course the truth is, it doesn't matter what you and I think of course, it matters what he can do with the Middle East countries and people.FLBear5630 said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:I don't remember voting against resort building that brings peace. I mean yes this idea is really out there, but you know next to zero about the details.FLBear5630 said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Actually I don't know. But you can't have the same people who WANT Hamas to run their "country" to coexist next to Israel on Israel occupied land. So the only options you have is for Israel to bomb them even further into the ground and more killings, or for the Palestinians to be relocated and reeducated. That means the surrounding countries will have to participate.FLBear5630 said:Come on, you really heard Gaza and resort in the same sentence and said that is what this situation always needed? What an opportunity? Be honest? Greenland, I get. Panama Canal, I get. Getting embroiled in Gaza? What a real estate opportunity... You can say with a straight face that this sounds like a good idea?TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Cheering is a bit strong. Listening and recognizing that it's an alternative. And honestly anyone remotely supporting the idea doesn't believe that Trump will get us into a never-ending war. None of us think he's going to invade Gaza. He said it quite plainly - some ownership position and middle east cooperation. Without the arabs stepping up it's a non starter. And I'm not saying it's a good idea, I don't know, but if it works, it could be good for the middle east and our interests there.FLBear5630 said:Sam, we are on the same side on this one. I was being sarcastic. It is the absolutely WORST case of Nation/Resort Building in the longest lasting never ending war on the planet. Yet, these guys are cheering it. They just spent 4 years complaining of being in never ending wars, Trump picks Gaza to turn into a resort and they cheer????Sam Lowry said:Isn't it?FLBear5630 said:4th and Inches said:nothing he has done so far seems to be made up on the fly..OsoCoreyell said:
He's making it up as he goes. Total chaos.
He is moving chess pieces faster than his opponents can counter.
Will it result in a positive for America? Time will tell
Well, at least it's not Nation building or a never ending war.
Their defense is not to take what he says serious, until it is. This is the biggest case of hero-worship crush or flexible moral compass or both that I have seen in quite a while. Next I guess, I don't even have a more preposterous example. Fixing Gaza and the Israeli/Palestinian situation, maybe start a little smaller, easier like curing cancer or going to Mars?
You always come down on the worst case, and you are ALWAYS wrong. You just have to get your daily dose of TDS drama. You cannot trust your own thinking because it is broken. This will be ok. Trump has done a great job so far keeping us out of wars.
What I do think is that incentivizing the surrounding Arab countries with some form of partnership or ownership is likely the best solution. I don't think it will work because I don't believe the Arab countries want peace, but I'll wait to see. Maybe the opportunity for significant profit and prestige can sway them. I won't be like you who can't help but b&m on every single idea you don't like, which is pretty much every idea Trump comes up with.
I don't disagree. But getting the US into Gaza is not consistent with the Party line. Hard to say you are bringing troops home and cutting spending, then get us into the resort building business.
Maybe the end result is that the US works with the palestinians and middle east investors to form a tourist destination. Similar to Indian Casinos (obvoiusly no gambling) but on a richer, grander scale. The palestinians are relocated in the interim, and many will be able to return to live and work there and improve their lives.
I saw Atlantic City... We have context. Donald had some winners, but he also had some pigs too. People forget he was down for a while, so much so he took a reality TV job. My point is he is not above bad ideas, My fear is he has reached a point no one will tell him. If this board is a cross section, we are in trouble. Anything he says is gold...
Every other day is filled with exciting stuff, not all are going to be winners, but the Trump team's direction for this country has been amazing so far. I actually started watching network news again because so much good is rolling out, I can't keep up.
I think this really sums up your intelligent level.Mothra said:Did you infer from Trump's statement that he's putting American troops on the ground to fight a battle? If so, you interpreted his statements very different than I did. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your assumptions.ron.reagan said:I realize it takes a small amount of logic to understand the difference between having someone else fight your battle for you and fighting a battle for someone else.Mothra said:I don't recall you saying that about Ukraine. Isn't it your position Biden did the right thing by proving billions in aid?J.R. said:It is non of our business. Let Isreal fight their own fight. Oh, did I mention that it is a serious violation of International Law? Yeah, son, let's just go take over the Palestinian land and send them elsewhere where no one wants them. Eff Isreal and Bibi.Married A Horn said:
Yeah, let's go back the the disaster of the past half century. You need to unplug your internet.
Or is it bad only when it occurs under Trump?
For the record, I agree with the premise - but believe it should apply to countries we were supporting under the Biden admin as well. But I am not a hypocrite.
It's "intelligence," Brainiac. If you're going to call someone stupid, better be sure you don't look stupid in doing so.ron.reagan said:I think this really sums up your intelligent level.Mothra said:Did you infer from Trump's statement that he's putting American troops on the ground to fight a battle? If so, you interpreted his statements very different than I did. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your assumptions.ron.reagan said:I realize it takes a small amount of logic to understand the difference between having someone else fight your battle for you and fighting a battle for someone else.Mothra said:I don't recall you saying that about Ukraine. Isn't it your position Biden did the right thing by proving billions in aid?J.R. said:It is non of our business. Let Isreal fight their own fight. Oh, did I mention that it is a serious violation of International Law? Yeah, son, let's just go take over the Palestinian land and send them elsewhere where no one wants them. Eff Isreal and Bibi.Married A Horn said:
Yeah, let's go back the the disaster of the past half century. You need to unplug your internet.
Or is it bad only when it occurs under Trump?
For the record, I agree with the premise - but believe it should apply to countries we were supporting under the Biden admin as well. But I am not a hypocrite.
yes, I'm very aware of Saudi and Jareds $2B to keep his building out of bankruptcy. You think young Jared would have gotten $2B if pa pa wasn't pres? Saudi , Jordon and UAE told Trump to eff off. Anything short of a 2 state solution is a non starter. Trump looks like such a fool.Porteroso said:J.R. said:yeah, its on me that he is a pathological liar. yep. Oh, btw. Saudi told Trump to pound sand today. They and the other Arab countries will not pay a dime for this farce. Who's left to pay? Merca!4th and Inches said:history has shown you how you should take him, if you choose not to then that is on you..J.R. said:because I guess I have a tendency to take serious people at their word. My bad.whiterock said:why do you insist on taking him literally?KaiBear said:J.R. said:tin-man..(TBL).you did not answer the question. do you think this is a good idea?TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:whiterock said:"The TDSers takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally."J.R. said:nope. so. you think this a good idea?, TBLABC BEAR said:Tired of winning already?J.R. said:riiigt. just pathetic. Let Isreal stand on their own. No more aid. I thought Trumpy Bear was a man of no wars. Who in the eff gives him the right to take over a piece of land in the Middle East. To use you RWNJs Merca first, why in the world would this be remotely palatable. Who in the hell does he think is going to develop the new Riviera? Trump and Jared. This takes grifting to a new level even for that POS. Truly unbelievable. Bibi is evil. Screw him as he is doing nothing but trying to save his own skin. Never, ever will happen and it shouldn't. Hello Hitler!Married A Horn said:
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/02/04/trump-u-s-will-take-over-gaza-we-will-own-it/
Woah. Pretty big press conference with Bibi. Trump basically saying he's done with this 2-state failure of an experiment. He said its time to change course in Gaza and the USA will be involved. He is going to turn it into an international community and call it the Riviera of the Middle East where people can come from all over the world and live peacefully in a very nice community.
He's not wrong. The short lived Palestinian state has been a disaster. Time to try something else. 'Gaza is a hell-hole.'
Trump is doing amazing work so far ….but this Gaza plan ( as initially described ) is a horrible idea for a myriad of reasons .
does it matter if it will work or not, or ever happens, as long as it changes perceptions among the key players?
The Saudis put 2 billion in Jared's fund, so I wouldn't bet on it. They will not be seen as directly contributing to pace between the Muslim world and Israel, obviously.
as I've said, you have terrible political instincts. Serious people lie all the time. Particularly in poltics.J.R. said:because I guess I have a tendency to take serious people at their word. My bad.whiterock said:why do you insist on taking him literally?KaiBear said:J.R. said:tin-man..(TBL).you did not answer the question. do you think this is a good idea?TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:whiterock said:"The TDSers takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally."J.R. said:nope. so. you think this a good idea?, TBLABC BEAR said:Tired of winning already?J.R. said:riiigt. just pathetic. Let Isreal stand on their own. No more aid. I thought Trumpy Bear was a man of no wars. Who in the eff gives him the right to take over a piece of land in the Middle East. To use you RWNJs Merca first, why in the world would this be remotely palatable. Who in the hell does he think is going to develop the new Riviera? Trump and Jared. This takes grifting to a new level even for that POS. Truly unbelievable. Bibi is evil. Screw him as he is doing nothing but trying to save his own skin. Never, ever will happen and it shouldn't. Hello Hitler!Married A Horn said:
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/02/04/trump-u-s-will-take-over-gaza-we-will-own-it/
Woah. Pretty big press conference with Bibi. Trump basically saying he's done with this 2-state failure of an experiment. He said its time to change course in Gaza and the USA will be involved. He is going to turn it into an international community and call it the Riviera of the Middle East where people can come from all over the world and live peacefully in a very nice community.
He's not wrong. The short lived Palestinian state has been a disaster. Time to try something else. 'Gaza is a hell-hole.'
Trump is doing amazing work so far ….but this Gaza plan ( as initially described ) is a horrible idea for a myriad of reasons .
does it matter if it will work or not, or ever happens, as long as it changes perceptions among the key players?
He's threatening to replace Hamas with the USA. Another non-islamic entity in the islamic world. Unless, of course, they step up and sponsor some different but meaningful and long-lasting solution.J.R. said:yes, I'm very aware of Saudi and Jareds $2B to keep his building out of bankruptcy. You think young Jared would have gotten $2B if pa pa wasn't pres? Saudi , Jordon and UAE told Trump to eff off. Anything short of a 2 state solution is a non starter. Trump looks like such a fool.Porteroso said:J.R. said:yeah, its on me that he is a pathological liar. yep. Oh, btw. Saudi told Trump to pound sand today. They and the other Arab countries will not pay a dime for this farce. Who's left to pay? Merca!4th and Inches said:history has shown you how you should take him, if you choose not to then that is on you..J.R. said:because I guess I have a tendency to take serious people at their word. My bad.whiterock said:
why do you insist on taking him literally?
does it matter if it will work or not, or ever happens, as long as it changes perceptions among the key players?
The Saudis put 2 billion in Jared's fund, so I wouldn't bet on it. They will not be seen as directly contributing to pace between the Muslim world and Israel, obviously.
Hard to have a two state solution, when the Palestinian public overwhelmingly rejects the idea, and Hamas - an Iranian proxy - has the stated goal of the destruction of Israel and continues to try and scuttle any peace between the two. And of course, the other countries in the region, while saying they want a two-state solution, don't want it in practice, as they realize any Palestinian state will be a terrorist regime and proxy for Iran. There would likely already be two states if not for Hamas. But it's never going to happen.J.R. said:yes, I'm very aware of Saudi and Jareds $2B to keep his building out of bankruptcy. You think young Jared would have gotten $2B if pa pa wasn't pres? Saudi , Jordon and UAE told Trump to eff off. Anything short of a 2 state solution is a non starter. Trump looks like such a fool.Porteroso said:J.R. said:yeah, its on me that he is a pathological liar. yep. Oh, btw. Saudi told Trump to pound sand today. They and the other Arab countries will not pay a dime for this farce. Who's left to pay? Merca!4th and Inches said:history has shown you how you should take him, if you choose not to then that is on you..J.R. said:because I guess I have a tendency to take serious people at their word. My bad.whiterock said:why do you insist on taking him literally?KaiBear said:J.R. said:tin-man..(TBL).you did not answer the question. do you think this is a good idea?TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:whiterock said:"The TDSers takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally."J.R. said:nope. so. you think this a good idea?, TBLABC BEAR said:Tired of winning already?J.R. said:riiigt. just pathetic. Let Isreal stand on their own. No more aid. I thought Trumpy Bear was a man of no wars. Who in the eff gives him the right to take over a piece of land in the Middle East. To use you RWNJs Merca first, why in the world would this be remotely palatable. Who in the hell does he think is going to develop the new Riviera? Trump and Jared. This takes grifting to a new level even for that POS. Truly unbelievable. Bibi is evil. Screw him as he is doing nothing but trying to save his own skin. Never, ever will happen and it shouldn't. Hello Hitler!Married A Horn said:
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/02/04/trump-u-s-will-take-over-gaza-we-will-own-it/
Woah. Pretty big press conference with Bibi. Trump basically saying he's done with this 2-state failure of an experiment. He said its time to change course in Gaza and the USA will be involved. He is going to turn it into an international community and call it the Riviera of the Middle East where people can come from all over the world and live peacefully in a very nice community.
He's not wrong. The short lived Palestinian state has been a disaster. Time to try something else. 'Gaza is a hell-hole.'
Trump is doing amazing work so far ….but this Gaza plan ( as initially described ) is a horrible idea for a myriad of reasons .
does it matter if it will work or not, or ever happens, as long as it changes perceptions among the key players?
The Saudis put 2 billion in Jared's fund, so I wouldn't bet on it. They will not be seen as directly contributing to pace between the Muslim world and Israel, obviously.
Mothra said:Hard to have a two state solution, when the Palestinian public overwhelmingly rejects the idea, and Hamas - an Iranian proxy - has the stated goal of the destruction of Israel and continues to try and scuttle any peace between the two. And of course, the other countries in the region, while saying they want a two-state solution, don't want it in practice, as they realize any Palestinian state will be a terrorist regime and proxy for Iran. There would likely already be two states if not for Hamas. But it's never going to happen.J.R. said:yes, I'm very aware of Saudi and Jareds $2B to keep his building out of bankruptcy. You think young Jared would have gotten $2B if pa pa wasn't pres? Saudi , Jordon and UAE told Trump to eff off. Anything short of a 2 state solution is a non starter. Trump looks like such a fool.Porteroso said:J.R. said:yeah, its on me that he is a pathological liar. yep. Oh, btw. Saudi told Trump to pound sand today. They and the other Arab countries will not pay a dime for this farce. Who's left to pay? Merca!4th and Inches said:history has shown you how you should take him, if you choose not to then that is on you..J.R. said:because I guess I have a tendency to take serious people at their word. My bad.whiterock said:why do you insist on taking him literally?KaiBear said:J.R. said:tin-man..(TBL).you did not answer the question. do you think this is a good idea?TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:whiterock said:"The TDSers takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally."J.R. said:nope. so. you think this a good idea?, TBLABC BEAR said:Tired of winning already?J.R. said:riiigt. just pathetic. Let Isreal stand on their own. No more aid. I thought Trumpy Bear was a man of no wars. Who in the eff gives him the right to take over a piece of land in the Middle East. To use you RWNJs Merca first, why in the world would this be remotely palatable. Who in the hell does he think is going to develop the new Riviera? Trump and Jared. This takes grifting to a new level even for that POS. Truly unbelievable. Bibi is evil. Screw him as he is doing nothing but trying to save his own skin. Never, ever will happen and it shouldn't. Hello Hitler!Married A Horn said:
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/02/04/trump-u-s-will-take-over-gaza-we-will-own-it/
Woah. Pretty big press conference with Bibi. Trump basically saying he's done with this 2-state failure of an experiment. He said its time to change course in Gaza and the USA will be involved. He is going to turn it into an international community and call it the Riviera of the Middle East where people can come from all over the world and live peacefully in a very nice community.
He's not wrong. The short lived Palestinian state has been a disaster. Time to try something else. 'Gaza is a hell-hole.'
Trump is doing amazing work so far ….but this Gaza plan ( as initially described ) is a horrible idea for a myriad of reasons .
does it matter if it will work or not, or ever happens, as long as it changes perceptions among the key players?
The Saudis put 2 billion in Jared's fund, so I wouldn't bet on it. They will not be seen as directly contributing to pace between the Muslim world and Israel, obviously.
I would say the fool is the individual who continues to suggest the same failed solution over and over, expecting different results. How long have we discussed a two state solution now? 3-4 decades? Only an idiotic buffoon believes anything short of a two state solution is a non-starter. As long as Hamas remains in charge, the real non-starter is a Palestinian state. It's never gonna happen.
Wow. A semi-coherent post from Porteroso. Did someone get on your computer?Porteroso said:Mothra said:Hard to have a two state solution, when the Palestinian public overwhelmingly rejects the idea, and Hamas - an Iranian proxy - has the stated goal of the destruction of Israel and continues to try and scuttle any peace between the two. And of course, the other countries in the region, while saying they want a two-state solution, don't want it in practice, as they realize any Palestinian state will be a terrorist regime and proxy for Iran. There would likely already be two states if not for Hamas. But it's never going to happen.J.R. said:yes, I'm very aware of Saudi and Jareds $2B to keep his building out of bankruptcy. You think young Jared would have gotten $2B if pa pa wasn't pres? Saudi , Jordon and UAE told Trump to eff off. Anything short of a 2 state solution is a non starter. Trump looks like such a fool.Porteroso said:J.R. said:yeah, its on me that he is a pathological liar. yep. Oh, btw. Saudi told Trump to pound sand today. They and the other Arab countries will not pay a dime for this farce. Who's left to pay? Merca!4th and Inches said:history has shown you how you should take him, if you choose not to then that is on you..J.R. said:because I guess I have a tendency to take serious people at their word. My bad.whiterock said:why do you insist on taking him literally?KaiBear said:J.R. said:tin-man..(TBL).you did not answer the question. do you think this is a good idea?TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:whiterock said:"The TDSers takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally."J.R. said:nope. so. you think this a good idea?, TBLABC BEAR said:Tired of winning already?J.R. said:riiigt. just pathetic. Let Isreal stand on their own. No more aid. I thought Trumpy Bear was a man of no wars. Who in the eff gives him the right to take over a piece of land in the Middle East. To use you RWNJs Merca first, why in the world would this be remotely palatable. Who in the hell does he think is going to develop the new Riviera? Trump and Jared. This takes grifting to a new level even for that POS. Truly unbelievable. Bibi is evil. Screw him as he is doing nothing but trying to save his own skin. Never, ever will happen and it shouldn't. Hello Hitler!Married A Horn said:
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/02/04/trump-u-s-will-take-over-gaza-we-will-own-it/
Woah. Pretty big press conference with Bibi. Trump basically saying he's done with this 2-state failure of an experiment. He said its time to change course in Gaza and the USA will be involved. He is going to turn it into an international community and call it the Riviera of the Middle East where people can come from all over the world and live peacefully in a very nice community.
He's not wrong. The short lived Palestinian state has been a disaster. Time to try something else. 'Gaza is a hell-hole.'
Trump is doing amazing work so far ….but this Gaza plan ( as initially described ) is a horrible idea for a myriad of reasons .
does it matter if it will work or not, or ever happens, as long as it changes perceptions among the key players?
The Saudis put 2 billion in Jared's fund, so I wouldn't bet on it. They will not be seen as directly contributing to pace between the Muslim world and Israel, obviously.
I would say the fool is the individual who continues to suggest the same failed solution over and over, expecting different results. How long have we discussed a two state solution now? 3-4 decades? Only an idiotic buffoon believes anything short of a two state solution is a non-starter. As long as Hamas remains in charge, the real non-starter is a Palestinian state. It's never gonna happen.
Hamas is not the powerhouse it was 2 years ago, and by the way they are terrorists. Of course many Palestinians in Gaza won't come out against Hamas and support a democratic Palestinian state, in public anyway.
There are many Israelis and Palestinians who think co-existence cannot happen peacefully without some form of a Palestinian state. They must have agency, and therefore responsibility. As long as terrorism or Israel is their overlord, there will be violence.
Your assertion that this thinking is idiotic buffoonery is idiotic buffoonery. Nana Nana boo-boo.
Porteroso said:Mothra said:Hard to have a two state solution, when the Palestinian public overwhelmingly rejects the idea, and Hamas - an Iranian proxy - has the stated goal of the destruction of Israel and continues to try and scuttle any peace between the two. And of course, the other countries in the region, while saying they want a two-state solution, don't want it in practice, as they realize any Palestinian state will be a terrorist regime and proxy for Iran. There would likely already be two states if not for Hamas. But it's never going to happen.J.R. said:yes, I'm very aware of Saudi and Jareds $2B to keep his building out of bankruptcy. You think young Jared would have gotten $2B if pa pa wasn't pres? Saudi , Jordon and UAE told Trump to eff off. Anything short of a 2 state solution is a non starter. Trump looks like such a fool.Porteroso said:J.R. said:yeah, its on me that he is a pathological liar. yep. Oh, btw. Saudi told Trump to pound sand today. They and the other Arab countries will not pay a dime for this farce. Who's left to pay? Merca!4th and Inches said:history has shown you how you should take him, if you choose not to then that is on you..J.R. said:because I guess I have a tendency to take serious people at their word. My bad.whiterock said:why do you insist on taking him literally?KaiBear said:J.R. said:tin-man..(TBL).you did not answer the question. do you think this is a good idea?TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:whiterock said:"The TDSers takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally."J.R. said:nope. so. you think this a good idea?, TBLABC BEAR said:Tired of winning already?J.R. said:riiigt. just pathetic. Let Isreal stand on their own. No more aid. I thought Trumpy Bear was a man of no wars. Who in the eff gives him the right to take over a piece of land in the Middle East. To use you RWNJs Merca first, why in the world would this be remotely palatable. Who in the hell does he think is going to develop the new Riviera? Trump and Jared. This takes grifting to a new level even for that POS. Truly unbelievable. Bibi is evil. Screw him as he is doing nothing but trying to save his own skin. Never, ever will happen and it shouldn't. Hello Hitler!Married A Horn said:
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/02/04/trump-u-s-will-take-over-gaza-we-will-own-it/
Woah. Pretty big press conference with Bibi. Trump basically saying he's done with this 2-state failure of an experiment. He said its time to change course in Gaza and the USA will be involved. He is going to turn it into an international community and call it the Riviera of the Middle East where people can come from all over the world and live peacefully in a very nice community.
He's not wrong. The short lived Palestinian state has been a disaster. Time to try something else. 'Gaza is a hell-hole.'
Trump is doing amazing work so far ….but this Gaza plan ( as initially described ) is a horrible idea for a myriad of reasons .
does it matter if it will work or not, or ever happens, as long as it changes perceptions among the key players?
The Saudis put 2 billion in Jared's fund, so I wouldn't bet on it. They will not be seen as directly contributing to pace between the Muslim world and Israel, obviously.
I would say the fool is the individual who continues to suggest the same failed solution over and over, expecting different results. How long have we discussed a two state solution now? 3-4 decades? Only an idiotic buffoon believes anything short of a two state solution is a non-starter. As long as Hamas remains in charge, the real non-starter is a Palestinian state. It's never gonna happen.
Hamas is not the powerhouse it was 2 years ago, and by the way they are terrorists. Of course many Palestinians in Gaza won't come out against Hamas and support a democratic Palestinian state, in public anyway.
There are many Israelis and Palestinians who think co-existence cannot happen peacefully without some form of a Palestinian state. They must have agency, and therefore responsibility. As long as terrorism or Israel is their overlord, there will be violence.
Your assertion that this thinking is idiotic buffoonery is idiotic buffoonery. Nana Nana boo-boo.
Mothra said:Porteroso said:Mothra said:Hard to have a two state solution, when the Palestinian public overwhelmingly rejects the idea, and Hamas - an Iranian proxy - has the stated goal of the destruction of Israel and continues to try and scuttle any peace between the two. And of course, the other countries in the region, while saying they want a two-state solution, don't want it in practice, as they realize any Palestinian state will be a terrorist regime and proxy for Iran. There would likely already be two states if not for Hamas. But it's never going to happen.J.R. said:yes, I'm very aware of Saudi and Jareds $2B to keep his building out of bankruptcy. You think young Jared would have gotten $2B if pa pa wasn't pres? Saudi , Jordon and UAE told Trump to eff off. Anything short of a 2 state solution is a non starter. Trump looks like such a fool.Porteroso said:J.R. said:yeah, its on me that he is a pathological liar. yep. Oh, btw. Saudi told Trump to pound sand today. They and the other Arab countries will not pay a dime for this farce. Who's left to pay? Merca!4th and Inches said:history has shown you how you should take him, if you choose not to then that is on you..J.R. said:because I guess I have a tendency to take serious people at their word. My bad.whiterock said:why do you insist on taking him literally?KaiBear said:J.R. said:tin-man..(TBL).you did not answer the question. do you think this is a good idea?TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:whiterock said:"The TDSers takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally."J.R. said:nope. so. you think this a good idea?, TBLABC BEAR said:Tired of winning already?J.R. said:riiigt. just pathetic. Let Isreal stand on their own. No more aid. I thought Trumpy Bear was a man of no wars. Who in the eff gives him the right to take over a piece of land in the Middle East. To use you RWNJs Merca first, why in the world would this be remotely palatable. Who in the hell does he think is going to develop the new Riviera? Trump and Jared. This takes grifting to a new level even for that POS. Truly unbelievable. Bibi is evil. Screw him as he is doing nothing but trying to save his own skin. Never, ever will happen and it shouldn't. Hello Hitler!Married A Horn said:
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/02/04/trump-u-s-will-take-over-gaza-we-will-own-it/
Woah. Pretty big press conference with Bibi. Trump basically saying he's done with this 2-state failure of an experiment. He said its time to change course in Gaza and the USA will be involved. He is going to turn it into an international community and call it the Riviera of the Middle East where people can come from all over the world and live peacefully in a very nice community.
He's not wrong. The short lived Palestinian state has been a disaster. Time to try something else. 'Gaza is a hell-hole.'
Trump is doing amazing work so far ….but this Gaza plan ( as initially described ) is a horrible idea for a myriad of reasons .
does it matter if it will work or not, or ever happens, as long as it changes perceptions among the key players?
The Saudis put 2 billion in Jared's fund, so I wouldn't bet on it. They will not be seen as directly contributing to pace between the Muslim world and Israel, obviously.
I would say the fool is the individual who continues to suggest the same failed solution over and over, expecting different results. How long have we discussed a two state solution now? 3-4 decades? Only an idiotic buffoon believes anything short of a two state solution is a non-starter. As long as Hamas remains in charge, the real non-starter is a Palestinian state. It's never gonna happen.
Hamas is not the powerhouse it was 2 years ago, and by the way they are terrorists. Of course many Palestinians in Gaza won't come out against Hamas and support a democratic Palestinian state, in public anyway.
There are many Israelis and Palestinians who think co-existence cannot happen peacefully without some form of a Palestinian state. They must have agency, and therefore responsibility. As long as terrorism or Israel is their overlord, there will be violence.
Your assertion that this thinking is idiotic buffoonery is idiotic buffoonery. Nana Nana boo-boo.
A few things:
1. The buffoonery is thinking that its buffoonery not to believe that a two state solution is the only solution. And in that regard, I have approximately 80 years of bloody history to back me up.
2. All of the ideas about peace always seem to involve a bunch of hypotheticals that never actually happen. For example, your suggestion that the Palestinians might actually give up terrorism as a means to accomplish their goals. Again, I have approximately 80 years of history on my side that says that's never going to happen.
I suppose we can continue to pretend that these things are possible or come up with an alternative. I choose the alternative as opposed to continuing to bang our head against the wall for another 50+ years.
Great post.Mothra said:It's "intelligence," Brainiac. If you're going to call someone stupid, better be sure you don't look stupid in doing so.ron.reagan said:I think this really sums up your intelligent level.Mothra said:Did you infer from Trump's statement that he's putting American troops on the ground to fight a battle? If so, you interpreted his statements very different than I did. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your assumptions.ron.reagan said:I realize it takes a small amount of logic to understand the difference between having someone else fight your battle for you and fighting a battle for someone else.Mothra said:I don't recall you saying that about Ukraine. Isn't it your position Biden did the right thing by proving billions in aid?J.R. said:It is non of our business. Let Isreal fight their own fight. Oh, did I mention that it is a serious violation of International Law? Yeah, son, let's just go take over the Palestinian land and send them elsewhere where no one wants them. Eff Isreal and Bibi.Married A Horn said:
Yeah, let's go back the the disaster of the past half century. You need to unplug your internet.
Or is it bad only when it occurs under Trump?
For the record, I agree with the premise - but believe it should apply to countries we were supporting under the Biden admin as well. But I am not a hypocrite.
But congrats on the ironic post of the year thus far. LOL
I'll bet you $1k we don't put our troops on the ground. Let me know if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is.
I don't associate with liars of any sort.whiterock said:as I've said, you have terrible political instincts. Serious people lie all the time. Particularly in poltics.J.R. said:because I guess I have a tendency to take serious people at their word. My bad.whiterock said:why do you insist on taking him literally?KaiBear said:J.R. said:tin-man..(TBL).you did not answer the question. do you think this is a good idea?TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:whiterock said:"The TDSers takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally."J.R. said:nope. so. you think this a good idea?, TBLABC BEAR said:Tired of winning already?J.R. said:riiigt. just pathetic. Let Isreal stand on their own. No more aid. I thought Trumpy Bear was a man of no wars. Who in the eff gives him the right to take over a piece of land in the Middle East. To use you RWNJs Merca first, why in the world would this be remotely palatable. Who in the hell does he think is going to develop the new Riviera? Trump and Jared. This takes grifting to a new level even for that POS. Truly unbelievable. Bibi is evil. Screw him as he is doing nothing but trying to save his own skin. Never, ever will happen and it shouldn't. Hello Hitler!Married A Horn said:
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/02/04/trump-u-s-will-take-over-gaza-we-will-own-it/
Woah. Pretty big press conference with Bibi. Trump basically saying he's done with this 2-state failure of an experiment. He said its time to change course in Gaza and the USA will be involved. He is going to turn it into an international community and call it the Riviera of the Middle East where people can come from all over the world and live peacefully in a very nice community.
He's not wrong. The short lived Palestinian state has been a disaster. Time to try something else. 'Gaza is a hell-hole.'
Trump is doing amazing work so far ….but this Gaza plan ( as initially described ) is a horrible idea for a myriad of reasons .
does it matter if it will work or not, or ever happens, as long as it changes perceptions among the key players?
NO way any Arab country buys off on this nonsense. If you think so, you are foolish and uneducated.whiterock said:He's threatening to replace Hamas with the USA. Another non-islamic entity in the islamic world. Unless, of course, they step up and sponsor some different but meaningful and long-lasting solution.J.R. said:yes, I'm very aware of Saudi and Jareds $2B to keep his building out of bankruptcy. You think young Jared would have gotten $2B if pa pa wasn't pres? Saudi , Jordon and UAE told Trump to eff off. Anything short of a 2 state solution is a non starter. Trump looks like such a fool.Porteroso said:J.R. said:yeah, its on me that he is a pathological liar. yep. Oh, btw. Saudi told Trump to pound sand today. They and the other Arab countries will not pay a dime for this farce. Who's left to pay? Merca!4th and Inches said:history has shown you how you should take him, if you choose not to then that is on you..J.R. said:because I guess I have a tendency to take serious people at their word. My bad.whiterock said:
why do you insist on taking him literally?
does it matter if it will work or not, or ever happens, as long as it changes perceptions among the key players?
The Saudis put 2 billion in Jared's fund, so I wouldn't bet on it. They will not be seen as directly contributing to pace between the Muslim world and Israel, obviously.
He's saying he's not interested in simply resetting the same game board with the same pieces and the same players to simply do it all over again, mostly on the American dime.
He doesn't like the game, so he's upending the table, forcing the other players to completely rethink their positions.
It's hardly a shocker that you can't see it......
I really don't care what happens there, including Israel. Merca, damnit! Merca, I say.Mothra said:Hard to have a two state solution, when the Palestinian public overwhelmingly rejects the idea, and Hamas - an Iranian proxy - has the stated goal of the destruction of Israel and continues to try and scuttle any peace between the two. And of course, the other countries in the region, while saying they want a two-state solution, don't want it in practice, as they realize any Palestinian state will be a terrorist regime and proxy for Iran. There would likely already be two states if not for Hamas. But it's never going to happen.J.R. said:yes, I'm very aware of Saudi and Jareds $2B to keep his building out of bankruptcy. You think young Jared would have gotten $2B if pa pa wasn't pres? Saudi , Jordon and UAE told Trump to eff off. Anything short of a 2 state solution is a non starter. Trump looks like such a fool.Porteroso said:J.R. said:yeah, its on me that he is a pathological liar. yep. Oh, btw. Saudi told Trump to pound sand today. They and the other Arab countries will not pay a dime for this farce. Who's left to pay? Merca!4th and Inches said:history has shown you how you should take him, if you choose not to then that is on you..J.R. said:because I guess I have a tendency to take serious people at their word. My bad.whiterock said:why do you insist on taking him literally?KaiBear said:J.R. said:tin-man..(TBL).you did not answer the question. do you think this is a good idea?TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:whiterock said:"The TDSers takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally."J.R. said:nope. so. you think this a good idea?, TBLABC BEAR said:Tired of winning already?J.R. said:riiigt. just pathetic. Let Isreal stand on their own. No more aid. I thought Trumpy Bear was a man of no wars. Who in the eff gives him the right to take over a piece of land in the Middle East. To use you RWNJs Merca first, why in the world would this be remotely palatable. Who in the hell does he think is going to develop the new Riviera? Trump and Jared. This takes grifting to a new level even for that POS. Truly unbelievable. Bibi is evil. Screw him as he is doing nothing but trying to save his own skin. Never, ever will happen and it shouldn't. Hello Hitler!Married A Horn said:
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/02/04/trump-u-s-will-take-over-gaza-we-will-own-it/
Woah. Pretty big press conference with Bibi. Trump basically saying he's done with this 2-state failure of an experiment. He said its time to change course in Gaza and the USA will be involved. He is going to turn it into an international community and call it the Riviera of the Middle East where people can come from all over the world and live peacefully in a very nice community.
He's not wrong. The short lived Palestinian state has been a disaster. Time to try something else. 'Gaza is a hell-hole.'
Trump is doing amazing work so far ….but this Gaza plan ( as initially described ) is a horrible idea for a myriad of reasons .
does it matter if it will work or not, or ever happens, as long as it changes perceptions among the key players?
The Saudis put 2 billion in Jared's fund, so I wouldn't bet on it. They will not be seen as directly contributing to pace between the Muslim world and Israel, obviously.
I would say the fool is the individual who continues to suggest the same failed solution over and over, expecting different results. How long have we discussed a two state solution now? 3-4 decades? Only an idiotic buffoon believes anything short of a two state solution is a non-starter. As long as Hamas remains in charge, the real non-starter is a Palestinian state. It's never gonna happen.
For once, we agree.ron.reagan said:Great post.Mothra said:It's "intelligence," Brainiac. If you're going to call someone stupid, better be sure you don't look stupid in doing so.ron.reagan said:I think this really sums up your intelligent level.Mothra said:Did you infer from Trump's statement that he's putting American troops on the ground to fight a battle? If so, you interpreted his statements very different than I did. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your assumptions.ron.reagan said:I realize it takes a small amount of logic to understand the difference between having someone else fight your battle for you and fighting a battle for someone else.Mothra said:I don't recall you saying that about Ukraine. Isn't it your position Biden did the right thing by proving billions in aid?J.R. said:It is non of our business. Let Isreal fight their own fight. Oh, did I mention that it is a serious violation of International Law? Yeah, son, let's just go take over the Palestinian land and send them elsewhere where no one wants them. Eff Isreal and Bibi.Married A Horn said:
Yeah, let's go back the the disaster of the past half century. You need to unplug your internet.
Or is it bad only when it occurs under Trump?
For the record, I agree with the premise - but believe it should apply to countries we were supporting under the Biden admin as well. But I am not a hypocrite.
But congrats on the ironic post of the year thus far. LOL
I'll bet you $1k we don't put our troops on the ground. Let me know if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is.
But you support giving billions and weapons to Ukraine?J.R. said:I really don't care what happens there, including Israel. Merca, damnit! Merca, I say.Mothra said:Hard to have a two state solution, when the Palestinian public overwhelmingly rejects the idea, and Hamas - an Iranian proxy - has the stated goal of the destruction of Israel and continues to try and scuttle any peace between the two. And of course, the other countries in the region, while saying they want a two-state solution, don't want it in practice, as they realize any Palestinian state will be a terrorist regime and proxy for Iran. There would likely already be two states if not for Hamas. But it's never going to happen.J.R. said:yes, I'm very aware of Saudi and Jareds $2B to keep his building out of bankruptcy. You think young Jared would have gotten $2B if pa pa wasn't pres? Saudi , Jordon and UAE told Trump to eff off. Anything short of a 2 state solution is a non starter. Trump looks like such a fool.Porteroso said:J.R. said:yeah, its on me that he is a pathological liar. yep. Oh, btw. Saudi told Trump to pound sand today. They and the other Arab countries will not pay a dime for this farce. Who's left to pay? Merca!4th and Inches said:history has shown you how you should take him, if you choose not to then that is on you..J.R. said:because I guess I have a tendency to take serious people at their word. My bad.whiterock said:why do you insist on taking him literally?KaiBear said:J.R. said:tin-man..(TBL).you did not answer the question. do you think this is a good idea?TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:whiterock said:"The TDSers takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally."J.R. said:nope. so. you think this a good idea?, TBLABC BEAR said:Tired of winning already?J.R. said:riiigt. just pathetic. Let Isreal stand on their own. No more aid. I thought Trumpy Bear was a man of no wars. Who in the eff gives him the right to take over a piece of land in the Middle East. To use you RWNJs Merca first, why in the world would this be remotely palatable. Who in the hell does he think is going to develop the new Riviera? Trump and Jared. This takes grifting to a new level even for that POS. Truly unbelievable. Bibi is evil. Screw him as he is doing nothing but trying to save his own skin. Never, ever will happen and it shouldn't. Hello Hitler!Married A Horn said:
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/02/04/trump-u-s-will-take-over-gaza-we-will-own-it/
Woah. Pretty big press conference with Bibi. Trump basically saying he's done with this 2-state failure of an experiment. He said its time to change course in Gaza and the USA will be involved. He is going to turn it into an international community and call it the Riviera of the Middle East where people can come from all over the world and live peacefully in a very nice community.
He's not wrong. The short lived Palestinian state has been a disaster. Time to try something else. 'Gaza is a hell-hole.'
Trump is doing amazing work so far ….but this Gaza plan ( as initially described ) is a horrible idea for a myriad of reasons .
does it matter if it will work or not, or ever happens, as long as it changes perceptions among the key players?
The Saudis put 2 billion in Jared's fund, so I wouldn't bet on it. They will not be seen as directly contributing to pace between the Muslim world and Israel, obviously.
I would say the fool is the individual who continues to suggest the same failed solution over and over, expecting different results. How long have we discussed a two state solution now? 3-4 decades? Only an idiotic buffoon believes anything short of a two state solution is a non-starter. As long as Hamas remains in charge, the real non-starter is a Palestinian state. It's never gonna happen.
william said:
All my money is tied up betting my family will die from cancer.Mothra said:For once, we agree.ron.reagan said:Great post.Mothra said:It's "intelligence," Brainiac. If you're going to call someone stupid, better be sure you don't look stupid in doing so.ron.reagan said:I think this really sums up your intelligent level.Mothra said:Did you infer from Trump's statement that he's putting American troops on the ground to fight a battle? If so, you interpreted his statements very different than I did. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your assumptions.ron.reagan said:I realize it takes a small amount of logic to understand the difference between having someone else fight your battle for you and fighting a battle for someone else.Mothra said:I don't recall you saying that about Ukraine. Isn't it your position Biden did the right thing by proving billions in aid?J.R. said:It is non of our business. Let Isreal fight their own fight. Oh, did I mention that it is a serious violation of International Law? Yeah, son, let's just go take over the Palestinian land and send them elsewhere where no one wants them. Eff Isreal and Bibi.Married A Horn said:
Yeah, let's go back the the disaster of the past half century. You need to unplug your internet.
Or is it bad only when it occurs under Trump?
For the record, I agree with the premise - but believe it should apply to countries we were supporting under the Biden admin as well. But I am not a hypocrite.
But congrats on the ironic post of the year thus far. LOL
I'll bet you $1k we don't put our troops on the ground. Let me know if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is.
Too big a ***** to take the bet, then?
I suspected as much.
The TDS might get them first, if it's as bad a case as you have.ron.reagan said:All my money is tied up betting my family will die from cancer.Mothra said:For once, we agree.ron.reagan said:Great post.Mothra said:It's "intelligence," Brainiac. If you're going to call someone stupid, better be sure you don't look stupid in doing so.ron.reagan said:I think this really sums up your intelligent level.Mothra said:Did you infer from Trump's statement that he's putting American troops on the ground to fight a battle? If so, you interpreted his statements very different than I did. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your assumptions.ron.reagan said:I realize it takes a small amount of logic to understand the difference between having someone else fight your battle for you and fighting a battle for someone else.Mothra said:I don't recall you saying that about Ukraine. Isn't it your position Biden did the right thing by proving billions in aid?J.R. said:It is non of our business. Let Isreal fight their own fight. Oh, did I mention that it is a serious violation of International Law? Yeah, son, let's just go take over the Palestinian land and send them elsewhere where no one wants them. Eff Isreal and Bibi.Married A Horn said:
Yeah, let's go back the the disaster of the past half century. You need to unplug your internet.
Or is it bad only when it occurs under Trump?
For the record, I agree with the premise - but believe it should apply to countries we were supporting under the Biden admin as well. But I am not a hypocrite.
But congrats on the ironic post of the year thus far. LOL
I'll bet you $1k we don't put our troops on the ground. Let me know if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is.
Too big a ***** to take the bet, then?
I suspected as much.