Coke Bear said:BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
I'm sorry, but your very late argument fails. You think by writing a lot of words that you can somehow find a way around the fact that Mary was told "you WILL", not asked "will you?". She was chosen to give birth to Jesus. She was not asked.
God making a woman pregnant without her choice is no morally different than God doing anything to change someone's physical status (making them go blind, making then get swallowed by a fish, striking them dead) without their choice. You are merely (and desperately) trying to create an ad hoc exception for Mary's pregnancy that fails logically.
On the contrary - I feel really sorry for you. You are so brainwashed by your church's deception that you can't (or simply won't) see the painfully obvious Marian idolatry and blasphemy you're engaged in. I see someone completely trapped by demonic deception. It's only gonna take a miracle to open your eyes. Good thing that with God, all things are possible.
Well, I guess this conversation has finally run its course. It is not I that is brainwashed. I'm afraid it is you.
My views stand firmly on 2000 years of scripture and tradition. Your view, the complete denial of Mary's role in salvation history, is SO protestant - so anti-Catholic, that you will reject what has been believed for centuries before the so-called "reformers" were born (ironically, Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli ALL believed in Mary's consent and obedience to God).
Even your second paragraph still twists and defies logical arguments and historical interpretation to support your anti-Catholicism. Maybe, even worse, is the fact that you fail to accept what the sacred author Luke says in the context in Greek.
Catholics doesn't engage in idolatry or blasphemy. To love Mary is to love Jesus. He is the reason why she shines. Just like the Sun is the reason why moon shines. It's a "Beaver" full moon tonight. Go outside, contemplate, and pray on this as you witness the beauty of God's creation. Maybe you will open your eyes and see the truth.
I hope that one day you will "get right" with the LORD.
Please know that I will continue to pray for you twice a day (during my daily rosary and my evening prayers.)
Peace and God Bless.
You are so deeply deceived, that you can't tell up from down and right from left. I can literally show you the blue sky, and you'll call it red. Rational discussions with people like you is impossible.
You've already been shown to be a fraud. I gave you a list of things that you do to Mary, and you said it wasn't worship; but when asked if those exact things were done to anyone or anything else, you could not say the same. This is a double standard, and it proves your argument failed. You are just too deceived, or you're too dishonest, or you're too dumb, to acknowledge it. That's how this has run its course. It's ended with you wallowing in your own reality, apart from the rational world. You can't be helped.
The rest of the rational world can see that calling Mary titles that only belong to God/Jesus, bowing and praying to her statue, saying that salvation only comes through her, and everything else I've shown you is pure idolatry and blasphemy. Your denial of it means you are completely blind and trapped by the Devil, and it's depressing. I can only hope for the miracle that your eyes will someday be opened. Meanwhile, I go on, searching for any honest Roman Catholic who is willing to discuss these things with the honesty and rationality that you were unable to extend.