muddybrazos said:
Mothra said:
Realitybites said:
Mothra said:
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Hell, one of your buddies blames them for Jesus's death.
That is a documented fact of history recorded in the God inspired words of the New Testament in Luke 23:13-23:
"Then Pilate, when he had called together the chief priests, the rulers, and the people, said to them, "You have brought this Man to me, as one who misleads the people. And indeed, having examined Him in your presence, I have found no fault in this Man concerning those things of which you accuse Him; no, neither did Herod, for I sent you back to him; and indeed nothing deserving of death has been done by Him. I will therefore chastise Him and release Him" (for it was necessary for him to release one to them at the feast).
And they all cried out at once, saying, "Away with this Man, and release to us Barabbas" who had been thrown into prison for a certain rebellion made in the city, and for murder.
Pilate, therefore, wishing to release Jesus, again called out to them. But they shouted, saying, "Crucify Him, crucify Him!"
Then he said to them the third time, "Why, what evil has He done? I have found no reason for death in Him. I will therefore chastise Him and let Him go."
But they were insistent, demanding with loud voices that He be crucified. And the voices of these men and of the chief priests prevailed."
The Gospel of Matthew provides even more detail about their insistence, saying "And all the people answered and said, "His blood be on us and on our children." (Matthew 27:25)
If that's not enough, Saint Paul reiterates this in Acts 13:
""Men and brethren, sons of the family of Abraham, and those among you who fear God, to you the word of this salvation has been sent. For those who dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they did not know Him, nor even the voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath, have fulfilled them in condemning Him. And though they found no cause for death in Him, they asked Pilate that He should be put to death."
Yes, Christ died at the behest of the Jewish Pharisees, but anyone who thinks that was not according to Christ's preordained plan, and that he did not choose to die in the way that he died, is likely not a Christian. Indeed, the poster in question admitted as much.
And therein lies the issue. Anyone focused on who killed Jesus and using it as a cudgel to disparage the Jewish people, as your buddy did, is an antisemitic person. Christ is God. He chose his own death, and who would kill him. And but for that death, you and I and the rest of the Gentiles would be in real trouble. (Let's also not forget that Christ and his disciples were Jewish).
Anyone attempting to hold that against the Jews is a bigot, plain and simple. It's kind of shocking that you are defending such bigotry.
Christ died at the behest of the Jews. Not just the Pharisees. Not just the Sanhedrin. The Bible specifically says:
"And all the people answered and said, "His blood be on us and on our children." (Matthew 27:25)
While nobody should use this as a cudgel to disparage Jewish people individually, it is an indictment of the Jewish religion, for what exists under the label of Judaism today is the continuation of the religion of the Pharisees.
No Christian should be a defender of Phariseeism under the label Judeo-Christian.
Indeed, the Pharisees had stirred up the crowd against Christ. But the idea that ALL Jews wanted Christ dead ignores the fact there were numerous converts among the Jews.
All religions that are opposed to Christ are wrong, not just the Jews. That does not mean Jews are still not a chosen people.
They were chosen by God to receive the messiah and they had him killed. Those who realized that he was messiah and followed him were and are part of the chose body of Christ which is we Christians (obviously many were jews). Jews in their Talmud have nothing but blasphemy for Christ and Mary. This is why there is no such thing as Judeo Christian bc those terms are not compatible. Muslims at least consider Jesus as a prophet.
John chapter 8 tells us a lot about what Jesus thought about the pharisees.
Observations:
Judeo-Christian is a legitimate term defining one of the foundations of western civilization. It's the most important one.
Mary has nothing to do with it. She was chosen by God for an important role but so was Moses, David, the prophets & disciples, John the Baptist, etc. Like the rest of the biblical heroes, Mary served God but is not God and does not merit any kind of adoration or reverence. God alone deserves that.
As stated above, we all are responsible for Christ's crucifixion because He voluntarily sacrificed himself for all of our sins. There is no point in blaming any group of people. Blaming Jews historically has been an excuse for antisemitism, a reprehensible practice condemned by God.
Many Jews have become Christian's over the years and are today. Many more are destined to be saved. Like everyone else who is saved, the angels in heaven will rejoice when that happens.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36