Waco1947 said:
D. C. Bear said:
Waco1947 said:
D. C. Bear said:
Waco1947 said:
D. C. Bear said:
Waco1947 said:
Waco1947 said:
What about a two-state solution?
Are their other views
Given what we see in the aftermath of the cease-fire, with Hamas executing residents of Gaza in the streets, is it really a good idea to have a "Palestinian state" at this time?
In any event, it is not the Israelis who have been the barrier to a "two-state solution."
A NATO Security force needs to be in place to restore law and order.
Are there remnants of a government? Do ordinary Palestinians still support Hamas/
I don't care what "ordinary Palestinians" say about Hamas, and neither should you. I'm sure they "support" them since they are likely to be publicly killed if they don't.
You don't care? What a silly position. Ordinary Palestinians will ultimately need to take hold of their country and institute a democracy.
They don't have a "country." Hence the need for a two state system
They had a shot at it and they decided to elect an Islamist criminal gang to attempt to destroy Israel instead of building a country. Unforunately, you are right but we donot send a people off into the dust bin of history.
Arabs in Gaza have no one to blame but themselves for their troubles. Israel's apartheid system shares some of the blame. They have kept the people ignorant through lack of education and poor through lack of economic help. Apartheid is controversial but these facts are true.
- "System of control: Organizations argue that Israel maintains a system of institutionalized discrimination and repression to establish Jewish supremacy over Palestinians.
- Expansion and displacement: Since the 1967 Six-Day War, Israel has occupied the West Bank and Gaza Strip, constructing settlements considered illegal under international law. This has led to systematic displacement of Palestinians.
- Restrictions and blockades: The IDF enforces blockades on Gaza, restrictions on movement in the West Bank, and controls aspects of daily life for Palestinians, including access to education, healthcare, and water.
- Violence and punishment: Reports cite repeated use of disproportionate force, extrajudicial killings, arbitrary detention, and collective punishment, including home demolitions and raids on Palestinian communities. A UN report from September 2025 accuses Israel of committing genocide in Gaza.
- Targeting civilians: A UN commission of inquiry in October 2024 found that Israeli forces committed war crimes in Gaza by targeting medical facilities and personnel, and that attacks on children and medical sites reflected a campaign of extermination." (Google AI)
If Israel had governed more justly it surely would have help.
It would not matter how Israel "governed," they did not govern Gaza for the last 20 years after they withdrew from Gaza in 2005.
More generally, when you start bombing and killing a nations civilians, that government of Israel was well within its rights and its responsibilities to start to restrict movement and ramp up security, as we did in airports all across the United States following the September 11 attacks.
"The Palestinians," as represented by Hamas (and the PLO before them), do not want a two-state solution. They want a one-state solution with all the Jews driven into the sea. They want a "Final Solution." For some unknown reason, the Israeli government is unwilling to accept this.
In wars, innocent people die. This includes civilians. This does not make their deaths "genocide." The responsibility for their deaths rests with Hamas, who started the war, not with the people who try to end it. This is particularly true in the case of Hamas, a criminal gang of terrorists that has hidden behind innocents in an attempt to avoid consequences of their own brutality. It should also be noted that the Israeli military operated with great restraint and could have, should it have been their policy, bombed many tens of thousands of civilians into oblivion. Beyond the tragic deaths, the economic struggles of the people in Gaza over the last two decades also rests with Hamas as they decided to build rockets and tunnels in order to attack Israel instead of building infrastructure for the people who lived in Gaza. Again, Israel was incredibly restrained in their response.
As for the Six Day War, who exactly was it that started that? It wasn't the Israelis. Wars have consequences. If you attack someone and lose, you might lose some of your territory as a result.
