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Last: 1 mo ago by Harrison Bergeron
Sam Lowry said:
For the record, an example of what actual research looks like:Quote:
Roughly one-third of U.S. adults (32%) say all immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported, while 16% say none should be deported. About half (51%) say at least some should face deportation.
U.S. adults who say some immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported have varying views of who should be removed. Nearly all (97%) support deporting those who have committed violent crimes.
Those who favor some deportations are more evenly divided when it comes to deporting those who have committed nonviolent crimes (52%) or have arrived in the U.S. during the past four years (44%).
By contrast, far fewer say those with family ties in the U.S. should be deported, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Feb. 24 to March 2, 2025.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/
Cherry picking. Harvard/Harris is not a red polling unit, and neither them nor Pew has been terribly accurate on political polling. They each had Harris with a 1-4pt lead along the way, so.......the actual public opinion is likely to right of Harris (and Pew), which is why I posted the Havard/Harris poll = you are getting pretty easy to bait into the cul de sac.
whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:
For the record, an example of what actual research looks like:Quote:
Roughly one-third of U.S. adults (32%) say all immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported, while 16% say none should be deported. About half (51%) say at least some should face deportation.
U.S. adults who say some immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported have varying views of who should be removed. Nearly all (97%) support deporting those who have committed violent crimes.
Those who favor some deportations are more evenly divided when it comes to deporting those who have committed nonviolent crimes (52%) or have arrived in the U.S. during the past four years (44%).
By contrast, far fewer say those with family ties in the U.S. should be deported, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Feb. 24 to March 2, 2025.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/
Cherry picking. Harvard/Harris is not a red polling unit, and neither them nor Pew has been terribly accurate on political polling. They each had Harris with a 1-4pt lead along the way, so.......the actual public opinion is likely to right of Harris (and Pew), which is why I posted the Havard/Harris poll = you are getting pretty easy to bait into the cul de sac.
Exactly wrong. Harvard Harris is at the high end of approval for deporting all illegals, so the actual number is almost certainly lower than the slim majority shown in your poll.
Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:
For the record, an example of what actual research looks like:Quote:
Roughly one-third of U.S. adults (32%) say all immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported, while 16% say none should be deported. About half (51%) say at least some should face deportation.
U.S. adults who say some immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported have varying views of who should be removed. Nearly all (97%) support deporting those who have committed violent crimes.
Those who favor some deportations are more evenly divided when it comes to deporting those who have committed nonviolent crimes (52%) or have arrived in the U.S. during the past four years (44%).
By contrast, far fewer say those with family ties in the U.S. should be deported, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Feb. 24 to March 2, 2025.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/
Cherry picking. Harvard/Harris is not a red polling unit, and neither them nor Pew has been terribly accurate on political polling. They each had Harris with a 1-4pt lead along the way, so.......the actual public opinion is likely to right of Harris (and Pew), which is why I posted the Havard/Harris poll = you are getting pretty easy to bait into the cul de sac.
Exactly wrong. Harvard Harris is at the high end of approval for deporting all illegals, so the actual number is almost certainly lower than the slim majority shown in your poll.
oh jeez. LOL a "Max Headroom" moment there. If a blue-leaning poll like H/H is near (not at) the high end of the polling range on a particular issue, it should tell you that, once again, the polling is underestimating support for Trump.
Anyone found the illusion king yet?
whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:
For the record, an example of what actual research looks like:Quote:
Roughly one-third of U.S. adults (32%) say all immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported, while 16% say none should be deported. About half (51%) say at least some should face deportation.
U.S. adults who say some immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported have varying views of who should be removed. Nearly all (97%) support deporting those who have committed violent crimes.
Those who favor some deportations are more evenly divided when it comes to deporting those who have committed nonviolent crimes (52%) or have arrived in the U.S. during the past four years (44%).
By contrast, far fewer say those with family ties in the U.S. should be deported, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Feb. 24 to March 2, 2025.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/
Cherry picking. Harvard/Harris is not a red polling unit, and neither them nor Pew has been terribly accurate on political polling. They each had Harris with a 1-4pt lead along the way, so.......the actual public opinion is likely to right of Harris (and Pew), which is why I posted the Havard/Harris poll = you are getting pretty easy to bait into the cul de sac.
Exactly wrong. Harvard Harris is at the high end of approval for deporting all illegals, so the actual number is almost certainly lower than the slim majority shown in your poll.
oh jeez. LOL a "Max Headroom" moment there. If a blue-leaning poll like H/H is near (not at) the high end of the polling range on a particular issue, it should tell you that, once again, the polling is underestimating support for Trump.
Fox News put it at 29% on this issue, similar to Pew Research.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-support-deportation-depends-who-being-targeted
Sam gonna ANTIFA these days
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:
For the record, an example of what actual research looks like:Quote:
Roughly one-third of U.S. adults (32%) say all immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported, while 16% say none should be deported. About half (51%) say at least some should face deportation.
U.S. adults who say some immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported have varying views of who should be removed. Nearly all (97%) support deporting those who have committed violent crimes.
Those who favor some deportations are more evenly divided when it comes to deporting those who have committed nonviolent crimes (52%) or have arrived in the U.S. during the past four years (44%).
By contrast, far fewer say those with family ties in the U.S. should be deported, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Feb. 24 to March 2, 2025.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/
Cherry picking. Harvard/Harris is not a red polling unit, and neither them nor Pew has been terribly accurate on political polling. They each had Harris with a 1-4pt lead along the way, so.......the actual public opinion is likely to right of Harris (and Pew), which is why I posted the Havard/Harris poll = you are getting pretty easy to bait into the cul de sac.
Exactly wrong. Harvard Harris is at the high end of approval for deporting all illegals, so the actual number is almost certainly lower than the slim majority shown in your poll.
oh jeez. LOL a "Max Headroom" moment there. If a blue-leaning poll like H/H is near (not at) the high end of the polling range on a particular issue, it should tell you that, once again, the polling is underestimating support for Trump.
Fox News put it at 29% on this issue, similar to Pew Research.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-support-deportation-depends-who-being-targeted
keep cherry picking. Fox is a center-left polling unit.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/rcp-pollster-scorecard/
whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:
For the record, an example of what actual research looks like:Quote:
Roughly one-third of U.S. adults (32%) say all immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported, while 16% say none should be deported. About half (51%) say at least some should face deportation.
U.S. adults who say some immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported have varying views of who should be removed. Nearly all (97%) support deporting those who have committed violent crimes.
Those who favor some deportations are more evenly divided when it comes to deporting those who have committed nonviolent crimes (52%) or have arrived in the U.S. during the past four years (44%).
By contrast, far fewer say those with family ties in the U.S. should be deported, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Feb. 24 to March 2, 2025.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/
Cherry picking. Harvard/Harris is not a red polling unit, and neither them nor Pew has been terribly accurate on political polling. They each had Harris with a 1-4pt lead along the way, so.......the actual public opinion is likely to right of Harris (and Pew), which is why I posted the Havard/Harris poll = you are getting pretty easy to bait into the cul de sac.
Exactly wrong. Harvard Harris is at the high end of approval for deporting all illegals, so the actual number is almost certainly lower than the slim majority shown in your poll.
oh jeez. LOL a "Max Headroom" moment there. If a blue-leaning poll like H/H is near (not at) the high end of the polling range on a particular issue, it should tell you that, once again, the polling is underestimating support for Trump.
Fox News put it at 29% on this issue, similar to Pew Research.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-support-deportation-depends-who-being-targeted
keep cherry picking. Fox is a center-left polling unit.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/rcp-pollster-scorecard/
It's respectable, certainly not leftist by any normal estimation. Gallup and Quinnipiac show similar results.
Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:
For the record, an example of what actual research looks like:Quote:
Roughly one-third of U.S. adults (32%) say all immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported, while 16% say none should be deported. About half (51%) say at least some should face deportation.
U.S. adults who say some immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported have varying views of who should be removed. Nearly all (97%) support deporting those who have committed violent crimes.
Those who favor some deportations are more evenly divided when it comes to deporting those who have committed nonviolent crimes (52%) or have arrived in the U.S. during the past four years (44%).
By contrast, far fewer say those with family ties in the U.S. should be deported, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Feb. 24 to March 2, 2025.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/
Cherry picking. Harvard/Harris is not a red polling unit, and neither them nor Pew has been terribly accurate on political polling. They each had Harris with a 1-4pt lead along the way, so.......the actual public opinion is likely to right of Harris (and Pew), which is why I posted the Havard/Harris poll = you are getting pretty easy to bait into the cul de sac.
Exactly wrong. Harvard Harris is at the high end of approval for deporting all illegals, so the actual number is almost certainly lower than the slim majority shown in your poll.
oh jeez. LOL a "Max Headroom" moment there. If a blue-leaning poll like H/H is near (not at) the high end of the polling range on a particular issue, it should tell you that, once again, the polling is underestimating support for Trump.
Fox News put it at 29% on this issue, similar to Pew Research.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-support-deportation-depends-who-being-targeted
keep cherry picking. Fox is a center-left polling unit.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/rcp-pollster-scorecard/
It's respectable, certainly not leftist by any normal estimation. Gallup and Quinnipiac show similar results.
gallup, Fox, Quinnipiac....are all in the same bubble, typically polling 3-6 points to the left of actual outcomes.
No wonder you are wrong on everything. You keep reading the worst polling data.
whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:
For the record, an example of what actual research looks like:Quote:
Roughly one-third of U.S. adults (32%) say all immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported, while 16% say none should be deported. About half (51%) say at least some should face deportation.
U.S. adults who say some immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported have varying views of who should be removed. Nearly all (97%) support deporting those who have committed violent crimes.
Those who favor some deportations are more evenly divided when it comes to deporting those who have committed nonviolent crimes (52%) or have arrived in the U.S. during the past four years (44%).
By contrast, far fewer say those with family ties in the U.S. should be deported, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Feb. 24 to March 2, 2025.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/
Cherry picking. Harvard/Harris is not a red polling unit, and neither them nor Pew has been terribly accurate on political polling. They each had Harris with a 1-4pt lead along the way, so.......the actual public opinion is likely to right of Harris (and Pew), which is why I posted the Havard/Harris poll = you are getting pretty easy to bait into the cul de sac.
Exactly wrong. Harvard Harris is at the high end of approval for deporting all illegals, so the actual number is almost certainly lower than the slim majority shown in your poll.
oh jeez. LOL a "Max Headroom" moment there. If a blue-leaning poll like H/H is near (not at) the high end of the polling range on a particular issue, it should tell you that, once again, the polling is underestimating support for Trump.
Fox News put it at 29% on this issue, similar to Pew Research.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-support-deportation-depends-who-being-targeted
keep cherry picking. Fox is a center-left polling unit.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/rcp-pollster-scorecard/
It's respectable, certainly not leftist by any normal estimation. Gallup and Quinnipiac show similar results.
gallup, Fox, Quinnipiac....are all in the same bubble, typically polling 3-6 points to the left of actual outcomes.
No wonder you are wrong on everything. You keep reading the worst polling data.
Three to six points wouldn't come close to validating your claim, which is just another indication of how far-fetched it is. Typical results are in the 30 to 40 percent range, especially when the question is clearly worded (unlike the Harvard Harris poll, for example).
Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:
For the record, an example of what actual research looks like:Quote:
Roughly one-third of U.S. adults (32%) say all immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported, while 16% say none should be deported. About half (51%) say at least some should face deportation.
U.S. adults who say some immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported have varying views of who should be removed. Nearly all (97%) support deporting those who have committed violent crimes.
Those who favor some deportations are more evenly divided when it comes to deporting those who have committed nonviolent crimes (52%) or have arrived in the U.S. during the past four years (44%).
By contrast, far fewer say those with family ties in the U.S. should be deported, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Feb. 24 to March 2, 2025.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/
Cherry picking. Harvard/Harris is not a red polling unit, and neither them nor Pew has been terribly accurate on political polling. They each had Harris with a 1-4pt lead along the way, so.......the actual public opinion is likely to right of Harris (and Pew), which is why I posted the Havard/Harris poll = you are getting pretty easy to bait into the cul de sac.
Exactly wrong. Harvard Harris is at the high end of approval for deporting all illegals, so the actual number is almost certainly lower than the slim majority shown in your poll.
oh jeez. LOL a "Max Headroom" moment there. If a blue-leaning poll like H/H is near (not at) the high end of the polling range on a particular issue, it should tell you that, once again, the polling is underestimating support for Trump.
Fox News put it at 29% on this issue, similar to Pew Research.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-support-deportation-depends-who-being-targeted
keep cherry picking. Fox is a center-left polling unit.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/rcp-pollster-scorecard/
It's respectable, certainly not leftist by any normal estimation. Gallup and Quinnipiac show similar results.
gallup, Fox, Quinnipiac....are all in the same bubble, typically polling 3-6 points to the left of actual outcomes.
No wonder you are wrong on everything. You keep reading the worst polling data.
Three to six points wouldn't come close to validating your claim, which is just another indication of how far-fetched it is. Typical results are in the 30 to 40 percent range, especially when the question is clearly worded (unlike the Harvard Harris poll, for example).
I promise, there is oxygen to breath outside of your narrowly constructed framing bias.
whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:
For the record, an example of what actual research looks like:Quote:
Roughly one-third of U.S. adults (32%) say all immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported, while 16% say none should be deported. About half (51%) say at least some should face deportation.
U.S. adults who say some immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported have varying views of who should be removed. Nearly all (97%) support deporting those who have committed violent crimes.
Those who favor some deportations are more evenly divided when it comes to deporting those who have committed nonviolent crimes (52%) or have arrived in the U.S. during the past four years (44%).
By contrast, far fewer say those with family ties in the U.S. should be deported, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Feb. 24 to March 2, 2025.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/
Cherry picking. Harvard/Harris is not a red polling unit, and neither them nor Pew has been terribly accurate on political polling. They each had Harris with a 1-4pt lead along the way, so.......the actual public opinion is likely to right of Harris (and Pew), which is why I posted the Havard/Harris poll = you are getting pretty easy to bait into the cul de sac.
Exactly wrong. Harvard Harris is at the high end of approval for deporting all illegals, so the actual number is almost certainly lower than the slim majority shown in your poll.
oh jeez. LOL a "Max Headroom" moment there. If a blue-leaning poll like H/H is near (not at) the high end of the polling range on a particular issue, it should tell you that, once again, the polling is underestimating support for Trump.
Fox News put it at 29% on this issue, similar to Pew Research.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-support-deportation-depends-who-being-targeted
keep cherry picking. Fox is a center-left polling unit.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/rcp-pollster-scorecard/
It's respectable, certainly not leftist by any normal estimation. Gallup and Quinnipiac show similar results.
gallup, Fox, Quinnipiac....are all in the same bubble, typically polling 3-6 points to the left of actual outcomes.
No wonder you are wrong on everything. You keep reading the worst polling data.
Three to six points wouldn't come close to validating your claim, which is just another indication of how far-fetched it is. Typical results are in the 30 to 40 percent range, especially when the question is clearly worded (unlike the Harvard Harris poll, for example).
I promise, there is oxygen to breath outside of your narrowly constructed framing bias.
So we reach the point in discussion where the evidence says one thing and the Trump cult says another. That's okay...I'm just putting the facts out there.
Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:
For the record, an example of what actual research looks like:Quote:
Roughly one-third of U.S. adults (32%) say all immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported, while 16% say none should be deported. About half (51%) say at least some should face deportation.
U.S. adults who say some immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported have varying views of who should be removed. Nearly all (97%) support deporting those who have committed violent crimes.
Those who favor some deportations are more evenly divided when it comes to deporting those who have committed nonviolent crimes (52%) or have arrived in the U.S. during the past four years (44%).
By contrast, far fewer say those with family ties in the U.S. should be deported, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Feb. 24 to March 2, 2025.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/
Cherry picking. Harvard/Harris is not a red polling unit, and neither them nor Pew has been terribly accurate on political polling. They each had Harris with a 1-4pt lead along the way, so.......the actual public opinion is likely to right of Harris (and Pew), which is why I posted the Havard/Harris poll = you are getting pretty easy to bait into the cul de sac.
Exactly wrong. Harvard Harris is at the high end of approval for deporting all illegals, so the actual number is almost certainly lower than the slim majority shown in your poll.
oh jeez. LOL a "Max Headroom" moment there. If a blue-leaning poll like H/H is near (not at) the high end of the polling range on a particular issue, it should tell you that, once again, the polling is underestimating support for Trump.
Fox News put it at 29% on this issue, similar to Pew Research.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-support-deportation-depends-who-being-targeted
keep cherry picking. Fox is a center-left polling unit.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/rcp-pollster-scorecard/
It's respectable, certainly not leftist by any normal estimation. Gallup and Quinnipiac show similar results.
gallup, Fox, Quinnipiac....are all in the same bubble, typically polling 3-6 points to the left of actual outcomes.
No wonder you are wrong on everything. You keep reading the worst polling data.
Three to six points wouldn't come close to validating your claim, which is just another indication of how far-fetched it is. Typical results are in the 30 to 40 percent range, especially when the question is clearly worded (unlike the Harvard Harris poll, for example).
I promise, there is oxygen to breath outside of your narrowly constructed framing bias.
So we reach the point in discussion where the evidence says one thing and the Trump cult says another. That's okay...I'm just putting selectedthefacts out there to contrive rhetorical conflict between use of the words "some" and "all" in non-identical polling questions order to make it appear that a policy with a minimum of plurality of support is actually unpopular (when it broadly is).
FIFY
whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:
For the record, an example of what actual research looks like:Quote:
Roughly one-third of U.S. adults (32%) say all immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported, while 16% say none should be deported. About half (51%) say at least some should face deportation.
U.S. adults who say some immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported have varying views of who should be removed. Nearly all (97%) support deporting those who have committed violent crimes.
Those who favor some deportations are more evenly divided when it comes to deporting those who have committed nonviolent crimes (52%) or have arrived in the U.S. during the past four years (44%).
By contrast, far fewer say those with family ties in the U.S. should be deported, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Feb. 24 to March 2, 2025.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/
Cherry picking. Harvard/Harris is not a red polling unit, and neither them nor Pew has been terribly accurate on political polling. They each had Harris with a 1-4pt lead along the way, so.......the actual public opinion is likely to right of Harris (and Pew), which is why I posted the Havard/Harris poll = you are getting pretty easy to bait into the cul de sac.
Exactly wrong. Harvard Harris is at the high end of approval for deporting all illegals, so the actual number is almost certainly lower than the slim majority shown in your poll.
oh jeez. LOL a "Max Headroom" moment there. If a blue-leaning poll like H/H is near (not at) the high end of the polling range on a particular issue, it should tell you that, once again, the polling is underestimating support for Trump.
Fox News put it at 29% on this issue, similar to Pew Research.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-support-deportation-depends-who-being-targeted
keep cherry picking. Fox is a center-left polling unit.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/rcp-pollster-scorecard/
It's respectable, certainly not leftist by any normal estimation. Gallup and Quinnipiac show similar results.
gallup, Fox, Quinnipiac....are all in the same bubble, typically polling 3-6 points to the left of actual outcomes.
No wonder you are wrong on everything. You keep reading the worst polling data.
Three to six points wouldn't come close to validating your claim, which is just another indication of how far-fetched it is. Typical results are in the 30 to 40 percent range, especially when the question is clearly worded (unlike the Harvard Harris poll, for example).
I promise, there is oxygen to breath outside of your narrowly constructed framing bias.
So we reach the point in discussion where the evidence says one thing and the Trump cult says another. That's okay...I'm just putting selectedthefacts out there to contrive rhetorical conflict between use of the words "some" and "all" in non-identical polling questions order to make it appear that a policy with a minimum of plurality of support is actually unpopular (when it broadly is).
FIFY
When the same poll shows majority support for deporting illegals and providing a path to citizenship, the difference is obviously more than rhetorical.
Sam is "putting facts out there". About as true as when Fauci said he was speaking for Science.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Oldbear83 said:
Sam is "putting facts out there". About as true as when Fauci said he was speaking for Science.
yep. as true as a "conservative" who cannot find a single syllable of compliment for a POTUS executing policy on over a dozen issues aligned with majority-to-supermajority support of the American people.
Anyone found the king?
Forest Bueller_bf said:BUDOS said:
Polls indicate majority wants all illegal immigrants deported, with a significant minority disagreeing, apparently due to the term "all".
I can say I don't want "all" illegal immigrants deports.
Many have been contributing for multiple decades and are really good folks. They have a family structure often superior to anybody else I know.
Obama was actually very good at deportation, his party agreed with what he did of course,
even though he was a very prolific "deporter in chief" as he was called.
The 4 years of Biden when the border was an unvetted free for all, all of those folks need to be
deported, unless they legally entered.
Otherwise, they need to leave and start the process over, legally this time.
whiterock said:Oldbear83 said:
Sam is "putting facts out there". About as true as when Fauci said he was speaking for Science.
yep. as true as a "conservative" who cannot find a single syllable of compliment for a POTUS executing policy on over a dozen issues aligned with majority-to-supermajority support of the American people.
There's a word for leaders who claim to embody a mythical will of the people regardless of what people want, and it isn't "conservative."
Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Oldbear83 said:
Sam is "putting facts out there". About as true as when Fauci said he was speaking for Science.
yep. as true as a "conservative" who cannot find a single syllable of compliment for a POTUS executing policy on over a dozen issues aligned with majority-to-supermajority support of the American people.
There's a word for leaders who claim to embody a mythical will of the people regardless of what people want, and it isn't "conservative."
yep. there sure is = Sam Lowry
Still waiting ... no one has found the elusive king yet?
What were all those old, fat, white womenz upset about?
Did the king close the Golden Corral buffet early?
What were all those old, fat, white womenz upset about?
Did the king close the Golden Corral buffet early?
Harrison Bergeron said:
Anyone found the king?
Alive and well yes.
Just heard on a radio show that if you are a "Chubby Chaser" you need to go to a no kings event.
Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Oldbear83 said:
Sam is "putting facts out there". About as true as when Fauci said he was speaking for Science.
yep. as true as a "conservative" who cannot find a single syllable of compliment for a POTUS executing policy on over a dozen issues aligned with majority-to-supermajority support of the American people.
There's a word for leaders who claim to embody a mythical will of the people regardless of what people want, and it isn't "conservative."
Sam,
Did you enjoy being at the No Kings rally?
Congress needs to pass genuine comprehensive immigration reform:
-Anyone comes here illegally forever barred from citizenship
-Sanctuary cities outlawed explicitly with severe penalties (prison time) for politicians and bureaucrats who implement such policies
-The immigration process streamlined to be more efficient
-Clear definitions of refugee, asylum, and other terms to prevent abuses
-Getting rid of birthright citizenship
etc
The problem is that the immigration "reforms" the fascists want are open borders and universal amnesty. They have made that clear for decades and that was the de facto, though illegal, policy of Biden-Harris for four years. We are still dealing with the insanity of that reality. It's also one of the main reasons Trump won in November.
-Anyone comes here illegally forever barred from citizenship
-Sanctuary cities outlawed explicitly with severe penalties (prison time) for politicians and bureaucrats who implement such policies
-The immigration process streamlined to be more efficient
-Clear definitions of refugee, asylum, and other terms to prevent abuses
-Getting rid of birthright citizenship
etc
The problem is that the immigration "reforms" the fascists want are open borders and universal amnesty. They have made that clear for decades and that was the de facto, though illegal, policy of Biden-Harris for four years. We are still dealing with the insanity of that reality. It's also one of the main reasons Trump won in November.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Psalm 119:36
whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:
For the record, an example of what actual research looks like:Quote:
Roughly one-third of U.S. adults (32%) say all immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported, while 16% say none should be deported. About half (51%) say at least some should face deportation.
U.S. adults who say some immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported have varying views of who should be removed. Nearly all (97%) support deporting those who have committed violent crimes.
Those who favor some deportations are more evenly divided when it comes to deporting those who have committed nonviolent crimes (52%) or have arrived in the U.S. during the past four years (44%).
By contrast, far fewer say those with family ties in the U.S. should be deported, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Feb. 24 to March 2, 2025.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/
Cherry picking. Harvard/Harris is not a red polling unit, and neither them nor Pew has been terribly accurate on political polling. They each had Harris with a 1-4pt lead along the way, so.......the actual public opinion is likely to right of Harris (and Pew), which is why I posted the Havard/Harris poll = you are getting pretty easy to bait into the cul de sac.
Political polls tend to skew somewhat towards the Dems for one reason or another. They are not always reliable and can usually be taken with a grain of salt.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Psalm 119:36
Harrison Bergeron said:
Anyone found the king?
Charles III sits on the British throne. It was funny when British fascists had "no kings" protests in London.
In the US, those protests were a joke since the real no kings protest settled that question almost 250 years ago. We will celebrate that anniversary in July.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Psalm 119:36
historian said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:
For the record, an example of what actual research looks like:Quote:
Roughly one-third of U.S. adults (32%) say all immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported, while 16% say none should be deported. About half (51%) say at least some should face deportation.
U.S. adults who say some immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported have varying views of who should be removed. Nearly all (97%) support deporting those who have committed violent crimes.
Those who favor some deportations are more evenly divided when it comes to deporting those who have committed nonviolent crimes (52%) or have arrived in the U.S. during the past four years (44%).
By contrast, far fewer say those with family ties in the U.S. should be deported, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Feb. 24 to March 2, 2025.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/
Cherry picking. Harvard/Harris is not a red polling unit, and neither them nor Pew has been terribly accurate on political polling. They each had Harris with a 1-4pt lead along the way, so.......the actual public opinion is likely to right of Harris (and Pew), which is why I posted the Havard/Harris poll = you are getting pretty easy to bait into the cul de sac.
Political polls tend to skew somewhat towards the Dems for one reason or another. They are not always reliable and can usually be taken with a grain of salt.
most of them do, but not all. Remember that "calling the win" is not really the mark. The best benchmark is s the margin by which a polling unit missed the outcome. Most of them missed by 2-6pts on the Dem side (begging questions about how hard they were actually trying to get it right). The top four in the last several cycles were within 2pts, more often missing on the GOP side than the Dem side (and for that reason are attacked as "GOP spin") even though they were considerably more accurate than the older, better known firms.
The worst polls are typically the media commissioned polls. They are done for the purpose of making news, and/or influencing the process.
whiterock said:historian said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:
For the record, an example of what actual research looks like:Quote:
Roughly one-third of U.S. adults (32%) say all immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported, while 16% say none should be deported. About half (51%) say at least some should face deportation.
U.S. adults who say some immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported have varying views of who should be removed. Nearly all (97%) support deporting those who have committed violent crimes.
Those who favor some deportations are more evenly divided when it comes to deporting those who have committed nonviolent crimes (52%) or have arrived in the U.S. during the past four years (44%).
By contrast, far fewer say those with family ties in the U.S. should be deported, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Feb. 24 to March 2, 2025.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/
Cherry picking. Harvard/Harris is not a red polling unit, and neither them nor Pew has been terribly accurate on political polling. They each had Harris with a 1-4pt lead along the way, so.......the actual public opinion is likely to right of Harris (and Pew), which is why I posted the Havard/Harris poll = you are getting pretty easy to bait into the cul de sac.
Political polls tend to skew somewhat towards the Dems for one reason or another. They are not always reliable and can usually be taken with a grain of salt.
most of them do, but not all. Remember that "calling the win" is not really the mark. The best benchmark is s the margin by which a polling unit missed the outcome. Most of them missed by 2-6pts on the Dem side (begging questions about how hard they were actually trying to get it right). The top four in the last several cycles were within 2pts, more often missing on the GOP side than the Dem side (and for that reason are attacked as "GOP spin") even though they were considerably more accurate than the older, better known firms.
The worst polls are typically the media commissioned polls. They are done for the purpose of making news, and/or influencing the process.
The polling problem starts with changes in the industry. The shift from landline to cell phone and online changed the respondent demographic, and the increased use of student volunteers in place of professional callers changed the demographic off the pollsters themselves. That has led to a drift to the left over the last two decades.
And yes, media polls produce for the people paying them. Hence the predictable garbage from YouGov and its ilk.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Oldbear83 said:whiterock said:historian said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:
For the record, an example of what actual research looks like:Quote:
Roughly one-third of U.S. adults (32%) say all immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported, while 16% say none should be deported. About half (51%) say at least some should face deportation.
U.S. adults who say some immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported have varying views of who should be removed. Nearly all (97%) support deporting those who have committed violent crimes.
Those who favor some deportations are more evenly divided when it comes to deporting those who have committed nonviolent crimes (52%) or have arrived in the U.S. during the past four years (44%).
By contrast, far fewer say those with family ties in the U.S. should be deported, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Feb. 24 to March 2, 2025.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/
Cherry picking. Harvard/Harris is not a red polling unit, and neither them nor Pew has been terribly accurate on political polling. They each had Harris with a 1-4pt lead along the way, so.......the actual public opinion is likely to right of Harris (and Pew), which is why I posted the Havard/Harris poll = you are getting pretty easy to bait into the cul de sac.
Political polls tend to skew somewhat towards the Dems for one reason or another. They are not always reliable and can usually be taken with a grain of salt.
most of them do, but not all. Remember that "calling the win" is not really the mark. The best benchmark is s the margin by which a polling unit missed the outcome. Most of them missed by 2-6pts on the Dem side (begging questions about how hard they were actually trying to get it right). The top four in the last several cycles were within 2pts, more often missing on the GOP side than the Dem side (and for that reason are attacked as "GOP spin") even though they were considerably more accurate than the older, better known firms.
The worst polls are typically the media commissioned polls. They are done for the purpose of making news, and/or influencing the process.
The polling problem starts with changes in the industry. The shift from landline to cell phone and online changed the respondent demographic, and the increased use of student volunteers in place of professional callers changed the demographic off the pollsters themselves. That has led to a drift to the left over the last two decades.
And yes, media polls produce for the people paying them. Hence the predictable garbage from YouGov and its ilk.
The guys who are most accurate are a bit more blunt: too many polling firms are not objective, are actual players in the process seeking to influence rather than inform.
This has happened in the media. Not hard to think it would happen in the polling universe. Polls oversampling Democrats will help Democrat fundraising, help Democrat narratives, and to the extent there is election or voter fraud....it helps with the coverup, by shaping expectations.
Is it weird that in a system with a king the opposition party can shut down to the government?
Not much of a king.
Not much of a king.
That's because we had a genuine "no kings" movement in 1776. This one was a bunch of pathetic fascists throwing tantrums.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Psalm 119:36
historian said:
That's because we had a genuine "no kings" movement in 1776. This one was a bunch of pathetic fascists throwing tantrums.
Naturally.
The 'Hitler' foolishness didn't stick, so the leftists are trying a diiferent handle.
KaiBear said:historian said:
That's because we had a genuine "no kings" movement in 1776. This one was a bunch of pathetic fascists throwing tantrums.
Naturally.
The 'Hitler' foolishness didn't stick, so the leftists are trying a diiferent handle.
Word games. Fodder for the small mind.