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Whilst she probably shouldnt have tried to drive away, its blindingly obvious that she wasnt trying to murder any ICE officers, by the time the officer draws his weapon he is already by the side of the car and in no danger at all, its a really dumb and unexcusable escalation to fire his weapon in that situation and trying to paint the victim as a Domestic Terrorist is pathetic.

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I agree with this. Also, the narrative she had followed them all day for hours and hours I don't buy.

She had just dropped her kid off at school. The shooting happened in the 9am to 9:30 am range. One eye witness was making breakfast across the street when she heard the commotion and came outside.

Should she have tried to escape them, no she should have complied.

Should the Officer posted himself in front of a vehicle, no that is against policy, he should have stayed to the side of the vehicle.

Should he have fired 2 shots into her head at point blank through the drivers side open window after any threat at all had passed him, absolutely not.

Should he have exclaimed "****ing *****" after those two shots emptied into her head, it just showed this was an emotional reaction, not a tactical reaction.

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She had been in that street blowing her horn while her dyke wife blew a whistle for over 3 minutes before that confrontation happened and she hit a federal agent while trying to flee arrest. She looked right at the officer through her windshield before flooring it and hitting him.

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Leftists will always ignore facts in this kind of situation.

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Leftist?

That's funny.

Human being with the ability to form my own opinion without the directive of a "dear leader", yes.

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Whilst she probably shouldnt have tried to drive away, its blindingly obvious that she wasnt trying to murder any ICE officers, by the time the officer draws his weapon he is already by the side of the car and in no danger at all, its a really dumb and unexcusable escalation to fire his weapon in that situation and trying to paint the victim as a Domestic Terrorist is pathetic.

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I agree with this. Also, the narrative she had followed them all day for hours and hours I don't buy.

She had just dropped her kid off at school. The shooting happened in the 9am to 9:30 am range. One eye witness was making breakfast across the street when she heard the commotion and came outside.

Should she have tried to escape them, no she should have complied.

Should the Officer posted himself in front of a vehicle, no that is against policy, he should have stayed to the side of the vehicle.

Should he have fired 2 shots into her head at point blank through the drivers side open window after any threat at all had passed him, absolutely not.

Should he have exclaimed "****ing *****" after those two shots emptied into her head, it just showed this was an emotional reaction, not a tactical reaction.

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She had been in that street blowing her horn while her dyke wife blew a whistle for over 3 minutes before that confrontation happened and she hit a federal agent while trying to flee arrest. She looked right at the officer through her windshield before flooring it and hitting him.

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The first part of your post is correct. They were messing with Ice agents. They should not have been.

The second part of your post is absolutely not a certainty. She accelerated after she slumped forward dead.
She cut her tires sharply away from him as well. That is clear as day with the correct angle being shown.

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That post is completely refuted by the officer's body cam.

Forest Bueller III said:

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Whilst she probably shouldnt have tried to drive away, its blindingly obvious that she wasnt trying to murder any ICE officers, by the time the officer draws his weapon he is already by the side of the car and in no danger at all, its a really dumb and unexcusable escalation to fire his weapon in that situation and trying to paint the victim as a Domestic Terrorist is pathetic.

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I agree with this. Also, the narrative she had followed them all day for hours and hours I don't buy.

She had just dropped her kid off at school. The shooting happened in the 9am to 9:30 am range. One eye witness was making breakfast across the street when she heard the commotion and came outside.

Should she have tried to escape them, no she should have complied.

Should the Officer posted himself in front of a vehicle, no that is against policy, he should have stayed to the side of the vehicle.

Should he have fired 2 shots into her head at point blank through the drivers side open window after any threat at all had passed him, absolutely not.

Should he have exclaimed "****ing *****" after those two shots emptied into her head, it just showed this was an emotional reaction, not a tactical reaction.

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She had been in that street blowing her horn while her dyke wife blew a whistle for over 3 minutes before that confrontation happened and she hit a federal agent while trying to flee arrest. She looked right at the officer through her windshield before flooring it and hitting him.

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The first part of your post is correct. They were messing with Ice agents. They should not have been.

The second part of your post is absolutely not a certainty. She accelerated after she slumped forward dead.
She cut her tires sharply away from him as well. That is clear as day with the correct angle being shown.

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Yet she still hit him.

I truly think she was trying to leave but made 2 mistakes

1) did not gauge the distance from her car to the cop
2) did not gauge the severity of the ICE agents commands

Forest Bueller III said:

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cms186 said:

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Whilst she probably shouldnt have tried to drive away, its blindingly obvious that she wasnt trying to murder any ICE officers, by the time the officer draws his weapon he is already by the side of the car and in no danger at all, its a really dumb and unexcusable escalation to fire his weapon in that situation and trying to paint the victim as a Domestic Terrorist is pathetic.

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I agree with this. Also, the narrative she had followed them all day for hours and hours I don't buy.

She had just dropped her kid off at school. The shooting happened in the 9am to 9:30 am range. One eye witness was making breakfast across the street when she heard the commotion and came outside.

Should she have tried to escape them, no she should have complied.

Should the Officer posted himself in front of a vehicle, no that is against policy, he should have stayed to the side of the vehicle.

Should he have fired 2 shots into her head at point blank through the drivers side open window after any threat at all had passed him, absolutely not.

Should he have exclaimed "****ing *****" after those two shots emptied into her head, it just showed this was an emotional reaction, not a tactical reaction.

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She had been in that street blowing her horn while her dyke wife blew a whistle for over 3 minutes before that confrontation happened and she hit a federal agent while trying to flee arrest. She looked right at the officer through her windshield before flooring it and hitting him.

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The first part of your post is correct. They were messing with Ice agents. They should not have been.

The second part of your post is absolutely not a certainty. She accelerated after she slumped forward dead.
She cut her tires sharply away from him as well. That is clear as day with the correct angle being shown.

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Weird how the agent was hit before the gun shot then, huh?

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Whilst she probably shouldnt have tried to drive away, its blindingly obvious that she wasnt trying to murder any ICE officers, by the time the officer draws his weapon he is already by the side of the car and in no danger at all, its a really dumb and unexcusable escalation to fire his weapon in that situation and trying to paint the victim as a Domestic Terrorist is pathetic.

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I agree with this. Also, the narrative she had followed them all day for hours and hours I don't buy.

She had just dropped her kid off at school. The shooting happened in the 9am to 9:30 am range. One eye witness was making breakfast across the street when she heard the commotion and came outside.

Should she have tried to escape them, no she should have complied.

Should the Officer posted himself in front of a vehicle, no that is against policy, he should have stayed to the side of the vehicle.

Should he have fired 2 shots into her head at point blank through the drivers side open window after any threat at all had passed him, absolutely not.

Should he have exclaimed "****ing *****" after those two shots emptied into her head, it just showed this was an emotional reaction, not a tactical reaction.

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She had been in that street blowing her horn while her dyke wife blew a whistle for over 3 minutes before that confrontation happened and she hit a federal agent while trying to flee arrest. She looked right at the officer through her windshield before flooring it and hitting him.

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The first part of your post is correct. They were messing with Ice agents. They should not have been.

The second part of your post is absolutely not a certainty. She accelerated after she slumped forward dead.
She cut her tires sharply away from him as well. That is clear as day with the correct angle being shown.

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That post is completely refuted by the officer's body cam.

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The noise from the officers cell phone not body cam were his three shots garbled by a cell phone microphone unable to process that decibel sound. I've recorded target shooting on the farm many times, from close range it makes gunshots an almost unrecognizable garble with a cell phone cam.

We have a very very good angle from another video showing him not being struck as he pushed off from the vehicle. Then he shot 2 point blank shots into the open drivers window after any threat had passed.

That was wrong. I will give him a pass for the first shot, but a professional LEO 1) Would have been to the side of the car as policy requires, and 2) would not have taken the shot as policy also requires for a fleeing car, because it puts others at danger as well.

There were two parties who made mistakes in this incident, the two women made a mistake, and the Ice Officer escalated the situation and made a fatal mistake.

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Whilst she probably shouldnt have tried to drive away, its blindingly obvious that she wasnt trying to murder any ICE officers, by the time the officer draws his weapon he is already by the side of the car and in no danger at all, its a really dumb and unexcusable escalation to fire his weapon in that situation and trying to paint the victim as a Domestic Terrorist is pathetic.

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I agree with this. Also, the narrative she had followed them all day for hours and hours I don't buy.

She had just dropped her kid off at school. The shooting happened in the 9am to 9:30 am range. One eye witness was making breakfast across the street when she heard the commotion and came outside.

Should she have tried to escape them, no she should have complied.

Should the Officer posted himself in front of a vehicle, no that is against policy, he should have stayed to the side of the vehicle.

Should he have fired 2 shots into her head at point blank through the drivers side open window after any threat at all had passed him, absolutely not.

Should he have exclaimed "****ing *****" after those two shots emptied into her head, it just showed this was an emotional reaction, not a tactical reaction.

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She had been in that street blowing her horn while her dyke wife blew a whistle for over 3 minutes before that confrontation happened and she hit a federal agent while trying to flee arrest. She looked right at the officer through her windshield before flooring it and hitting him.

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The first part of your post is correct. They were messing with Ice agents. They should not have been.

The second part of your post is absolutely not a certainty. She accelerated after she slumped forward dead.
She cut her tires sharply away from him as well. That is clear as day with the correct angle being shown.

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Weird how the agent was hit before the gun shot then, huh?

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That is your speculation from very unclear videos. There is a very clear video at a very good angle that shows he was not struck directly with the front of the vehicles, he may have bumped the side of it.

Forest Bueller III said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Wangchung said:

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Whilst she probably shouldnt have tried to drive away, its blindingly obvious that she wasnt trying to murder any ICE officers, by the time the officer draws his weapon he is already by the side of the car and in no danger at all, its a really dumb and unexcusable escalation to fire his weapon in that situation and trying to paint the victim as a Domestic Terrorist is pathetic.

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I agree with this. Also, the narrative she had followed them all day for hours and hours I don't buy.

She had just dropped her kid off at school. The shooting happened in the 9am to 9:30 am range. One eye witness was making breakfast across the street when she heard the commotion and came outside.

Should she have tried to escape them, no she should have complied.

Should the Officer posted himself in front of a vehicle, no that is against policy, he should have stayed to the side of the vehicle.

Should he have fired 2 shots into her head at point blank through the drivers side open window after any threat at all had passed him, absolutely not.

Should he have exclaimed "****ing *****" after those two shots emptied into her head, it just showed this was an emotional reaction, not a tactical reaction.

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She had been in that street blowing her horn while her dyke wife blew a whistle for over 3 minutes before that confrontation happened and she hit a federal agent while trying to flee arrest. She looked right at the officer through her windshield before flooring it and hitting him.

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The first part of your post is correct. They were messing with Ice agents. They should not have been.

The second part of your post is absolutely not a certainty. She accelerated after she slumped forward dead.
She cut her tires sharply away from him as well. That is clear as day with the correct angle being shown.

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Weird how the agent was hit before the gun shot then, huh?

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That is your speculation from very unclear videos. There is a very clear video at a very good angle that shows he was not struck directly with the front of the vehicles, he may have bumped the side of it.

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Your conclusions about the videos seem to be similarly speculative.

Forest Bueller III said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Wangchung said:

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Whilst she probably shouldnt have tried to drive away, its blindingly obvious that she wasnt trying to murder any ICE officers, by the time the officer draws his weapon he is already by the side of the car and in no danger at all, its a really dumb and unexcusable escalation to fire his weapon in that situation and trying to paint the victim as a Domestic Terrorist is pathetic.

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I agree with this. Also, the narrative she had followed them all day for hours and hours I don't buy.

She had just dropped her kid off at school. The shooting happened in the 9am to 9:30 am range. One eye witness was making breakfast across the street when she heard the commotion and came outside.

Should she have tried to escape them, no she should have complied.

Should the Officer posted himself in front of a vehicle, no that is against policy, he should have stayed to the side of the vehicle.

Should he have fired 2 shots into her head at point blank through the drivers side open window after any threat at all had passed him, absolutely not.

Should he have exclaimed "****ing *****" after those two shots emptied into her head, it just showed this was an emotional reaction, not a tactical reaction.

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She had been in that street blowing her horn while her dyke wife blew a whistle for over 3 minutes before that confrontation happened and she hit a federal agent while trying to flee arrest. She looked right at the officer through her windshield before flooring it and hitting him.

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The first part of your post is correct. They were messing with Ice agents. They should not have been.

The second part of your post is absolutely not a certainty. She accelerated after she slumped forward dead.
She cut her tires sharply away from him as well. That is clear as day with the correct angle being shown.

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Weird how the agent was hit before the gun shot then, huh?

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That is your speculation from very unclear videos. There is a very clear video at a very good angle that shows he was not struck directly with the front of the vehicles, he may have bumped the side of it.

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The absolutely clear videos I've seen clearly show her hit his leg with her vehicle before he pulls the trigger. She had no right to block them. She had no right to flee the consequences of her actions. She had no right to run over the federal agent in front of her vehicle. She was there to cause a problem, as she had been all day. Your trigger discipline might be affected by being hit by a vehicle, too.

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Our vice president has explained that Renee Good was a "deranged leftist"; our president has explained that Renee Good "violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE officer." The head of the Department of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, has explained that Renee Good had been "stalking and impeding" law enforcement officers throughout the day and that she tried to "weaponize her vehicle" by trying to run over one of them, adding that the ICE agent fired "defensive shots" at someone who appeared to be perpetrating "an attempt to kill or to cause bodily harm to agents, an act of domestic terrorism."
In fairness, when questioned by CBS News, federal border czar Tom Homan was (at least initially) much more responsible: "The investigation has just started. I'm not gonna make a judgment call on one video when there's a hundred videos out there.… It'd be unprofessional to comment on what I think happened in that situation. Let the investigation play out and hold people accountable based on the investigation.… What good is it to do right now to prejudge the facts of what happened without giving law enforcement professionals, whether it's the FBI or the local police there, give them time to look at all the videos, talk to all of the witnesses, talk to the officers, and make an educated decision on what occurred today?"
To expand on Homan's point, here is the way it is supposed to work: The facts are supposed to drive our beliefs and our actions. That is, first, we perceive facts; second, because of what we perceive, we then form beliefs and decide on actions.
But it doesn't always work that way. I wish the facts were always in the saddle. Instead, as Cass Sunstein recently wrote, our beliefs and actions are often driven by "the immense power of narrative, and in particular the immense power of narratives in constitutional and political life." Sunstein was describing the way that narratives drive Supreme Court jurisprudence, but his point has broader application.
I have many "friends" on social media who are eager to contribute to, or shape, the narrative of Renee Good's death. It is a conversational maelstrom. One might describe it as an argument over what conclusions we might draw from the evidence we have. One might describe it more accurately as an argument between many people, where everyone wants, very badly, the narrative they describe to be true. This is so whether that narrative describes (for instance) a good cop defending himself from a murderous driver who deserved to be punished for her refusal to submit to lawful authority or (for instance) a woman fleeing from masked gunmen who assaulted her and then shot at her repeatedly through the side window of her car.
Many of the participants in this many-sided argument do not seem to be letting facts determine their account of things; instead, it appears that they start with a narrative and then hunt for facts and theories that support it. (Some of them do, anyway: when Secretary Noem decries the violence directed against ICE officers and then explains that publicly videotaping their work is one such species of violence, I worry that she believes that citizens who want to make a record of what they see in public should be discouraged from doing so.) In short, Cass Sunstein has identified something important here: the propagation of narratives is a central part of political life.
So what should we say about what really happened? Perhaps the wisest course, at this point, is to exercise a bit of humility." Dan Greenberg, Cato Institue

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There is nothing controversial about it. ICE is there to get the deranged muderers and rapists out of their city. She was trying to stop that by running over an ICE agent and kill him/her. That's it.

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There is no conclusive evidence that I have seen as to what she was trying to do in that moment. It is clear, however, that what she, and her female partner, did do was to create a dangerous situation and then make it worse by their actions.

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And ICE gave her a lot to think about

We are in serious trouble when so many intelligent individuals are willing to defend the unlawful actions by indoctrinated radicals that obstruct the actions of federal law enforcement who simply enforce our laws. Are you defenders of these obstructionists saying that the laws you don't agree with do not have to be followed? If so, I would submit that if we all followed this policy the country would devolve into total chaos in short order.

That is why this nonsense and abuse of law enforcement needs to stop right now. And those encouraging this type of behavior must be made to understand this. Why? Because we have to maintain law and order if we want a peaceful society.

If you don't like the immigration laws then work to change them. Otherwise stay out of the way.

"I am saddened and angry by what I am seeing unfold in Minnesota. After reviewing video clips, I think two things can be true at once: ICE must review this incident carefully to determine if lethal force was necessary. And Good appears to have purposefully driven into officers, violating the law by obstructing a federal enforcement operation, and faced an immediate, fatal consequence...

I'm especially frustrated that Minnesota lawmakers immediately condemned ICE officers for attempting to restore law and order to Minneapolis. It seems like they learned little from the costly aftermath of George Floyd's murder and are eager to whip up Minnesotans into a riotous state of reactive, angry people to defend their progressive ideology." -Nicole Russell. USA Today

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2026/01/08/ice-agent-minneapolis-shooting-enforce-law/88084377007/

Hmm -- @PBS claims the ICE agent in Minneapolis appears to have been "knocked backward but not hit" by Good's vehicle, without explaining how exactly a person can be knocked backward by a car without also being hit. pic.twitter.com/y2zl1DfHG6

— Elle Reynolds Purnell (@_ellepurnell) January 9, 2026

I know a fair number of LEO, and the training doctrine is you are attacked and in fear of your life, you fire until the threat is stopped.

You made some false statements in your recent post (ignored shot through windshield, ignored driver was looking directly at the officer and smiling at the moment of impact, etc.), which you failed to correct.

The woman made a tragically poor decision, and it cost her everything, I understand you desperately want to blame the officer, but doing so is dishonest and would only fail to warn possible future incidents of this sort.

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"I am saddened and angry by what I am seeing unfold in Minnesota. After reviewing video clips, I think two things can be true at once: ICE must review this incident carefully to determine if lethal force was necessary. And Good appears to have purposefully driven into officers, violating the law by obstructing a federal enforcement operation, and faced an immediate, fatal consequence...

I'm especially frustrated that Minnesota lawmakers immediately condemned ICE officers for attempting to restore law and order to Minneapolis. It seems like they learned little from the costly aftermath of George Floyd's murder and are eager to whip up Minnesotans into a riotous state of reactive, angry people to defend their progressive ideology." -Nicole Russell. USA Today

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2026/01/08/ice-agent-minneapolis-shooting-enforce-law/88084377007/

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She's a Texan, so she's making sense

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"I am saddened and angry by what I am seeing unfold in Minnesota. After reviewing video clips, I think two things can be true at once: ICE must review this incident carefully to determine if lethal force was necessary. And Good appears to have purposefully driven into officers, violating the law by obstructing a federal enforcement operation, and faced an immediate, fatal consequence...

I'm especially frustrated that Minnesota lawmakers immediately condemned ICE officers for attempting to restore law and order to Minneapolis. It seems like they learned little from the costly aftermath of George Floyd's murder and are eager to whip up Minnesotans into a riotous state of reactive, angry people to defend their progressive ideology." -Nicole Russell. USA Today

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2026/01/08/ice-agent-minneapolis-shooting-enforce-law/88084377007/

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She's a Texan, so she's making sense

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It's amazing how just like that Democrats:
1. Oppose democracy
2. Support anti-government loons
3. Support insurrection

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"I am saddened and angry by what I am seeing unfold in Minnesota. After reviewing video clips, I think two things can be true at once: ICE must review this incident carefully to determine if lethal force was necessary. And Good appears to have purposefully driven into officers, violating the law by obstructing a federal enforcement operation, and faced an immediate, fatal consequence...

I'm especially frustrated that Minnesota lawmakers immediately condemned ICE officers for attempting to restore law and order to Minneapolis. It seems like they learned little from the costly aftermath of George Floyd's murder and are eager to whip up Minnesotans into a riotous state of reactive, angry people to defend their progressive ideology." -Nicole Russell. USA Today

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2026/01/08/ice-agent-minneapolis-shooting-enforce-law/88084377007/

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She's a Texan, so she's making sense

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It's amazing how just like that Democrats:
1. Oppose democracy
2. Support anti-government loons
3. Support insurrection

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um....

How is that relevant to his post?

This guy is running for TX Senator..

Renee Good should still be here.

She was a beloved child of God, with inherent value and infinite worth.

She was murdered by her own government in broad daylight in what is supposed to be the greatest democracy on the planet. pic.twitter.com/jIqNDmJJhy

— James Talarico (@jamestalarico) January 10, 2026

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How is that relevant to his post?

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I know you are smart enough to figure it out...

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How is that relevant to his post?

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I know you are smart enough to figure it out...

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Including the part that J6 was never an 'insurrection'.

Sad that anyone still believes that lie.

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This guy is running for TX Senator..

Renee Good should still be here.

She was a beloved child of God, with inherent value and infinite worth.

She was murdered by her own government in broad daylight in what is supposed to be the greatest democracy on the planet. pic.twitter.com/jIqNDmJJhy

— James Talarico (@jamestalarico) January 10, 2026

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Fascinating, didn't know the Satanists had a political party.

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How is that relevant to his post?

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I know you are smart enough to figure it out...

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Including the part that J6 was never an 'insurrection'.

Sad that anyone still believes that lie.

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Yes, respecting law enforcement like they preach...you have to own it.

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How is that relevant to his post?

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I know you are smart enough to figure it out...

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Including the part that J6 was never an 'insurrection'.

Sad that anyone still believes that lie.

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Yes, respecting law enforcement like they preach...you have to own it.

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So you have decided to embrace complete fiction.

Good luck with that.

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I'm sure this will help improve the situation…

BREAKING:

Anti-ICE rioters have smashed the windows and entered the hotel were ICE agents are staying during their deployment in Minnesota pic.twitter.com/x9iXXih0uU

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) January 10, 2026

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And not a single arrest I'm sure for these multiple crimes committed.

And if one were to approach an officer in their room… as in break into their room and get shot the left would probably still blame ice.

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I had to read this like 4 times to try and understand it. Can you virtue signal to yourself?

pic.twitter.com/isGwAk0ykj

— bobbyscaps.eth👺 (@dropgenius) January 9, 2026

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MINNEAPOLIS: Border Patrol agents warn two white women in separate SUVs to stop trailing them and not to impede. 'Dont make a bad decision today..." pic.twitter.com/An2MAWUYcY

— Matt Finn (@MattFinnFNC) January 9, 2026

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This post should be pinned to the top of this thread.

This is what ICE has to put up with.

I wouldnt blame them one bit for putting some of these freaks 6ft under.

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I agree that it should have been pinned to the top of the thread. It is a great example of good policing. if the agents who advanced on the victim;s car had follewed that example, there wouldn't be a thread.

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If the non-victim's car hadn't even been there, there wouldn't be a thread.

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Two things can be true.

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Without a doubt. However, inasmuch as the driver was not a victim, but rather, having herself decided to be at the scene and disobey the orders of a lawful authority, brought upon herself what happened, only one of these two particular things is true.

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Deciding to be on the scene should not be a problem. The scene was a public road. She made a mistake in not obeying the order, but people who make mistakes are not excluded from being victims. The shooter made a mistake being in front of the car. The officer giving orders made a mistake in the qay he addressed the driver. They all made mistakes and they are all victims, although the dirver suffered by far the worst consequence.

Why is it so hard to see that the ICE tactics are inspiring protest and making their job harder to do? Its almost like their leadership wants confrontation; almost as if they view half of Americans as enemies. As if it is really about theater and less about finding the ciminals who are an actual danger to us.

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Frank, I recommend you just stay out of ICE's way and let them handle these foreign invaders as they see fit.

You'll be safer, happier, and your family and future descendants will be more prosperous.

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For a bunch of people who were outraged that the government was telling them what to do during the pandemic, y'all have become pretty docile.

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Letting the police do their job is not docile. It is called minding your business and letting them do their job.

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How is that relevant to his post?

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I know you are smart enough to figure it out...

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Including the part that J6 was never an 'insurrection'.

Sad that anyone still believes that lie.

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Yes, respecting law enforcement like they preach...you have to own it.

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So you have decided to embrace complete fiction.

Good luck with that.

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Fiction...sure.

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Waco1947 said:

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Our vice president has explained that Renee Good was a "deranged leftist"; our president has explained that Renee Good "violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE officer." The head of the Department of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, has explained that Renee Good had been "stalking and impeding" law enforcement officers throughout the day and that she tried to "weaponize her vehicle" by trying to run over one of them, adding that the ICE agent fired "defensive shots" at someone who appeared to be perpetrating "an attempt to kill or to cause bodily harm to agents, an act of domestic terrorism."
In fairness, when questioned by CBS News, federal border czar Tom Homan was (at least initially) much more responsible: "The investigation has just started. I'm not gonna make a judgment call on one video when there's a hundred videos out there.… It'd be unprofessional to comment on what I think happened in that situation. Let the investigation play out and hold people accountable based on the investigation.… What good is it to do right now to prejudge the facts of what happened without giving law enforcement professionals, whether it's the FBI or the local police there, give them time to look at all the videos, talk to all of the witnesses, talk to the officers, and make an educated decision on what occurred today?"
To expand on Homan's point, here is the way it is supposed to work: The facts are supposed to drive our beliefs and our actions. That is, first, we perceive facts; second, because of what we perceive, we then form beliefs and decide on actions.
But it doesn't always work that way. I wish the facts were always in the saddle. Instead, as Cass Sunstein recently wrote, our beliefs and actions are often driven by "the immense power of narrative, and in particular the immense power of narratives in constitutional and political life." Sunstein was describing the way that narratives drive Supreme Court jurisprudence, but his point has broader application.
I have many "friends" on social media who are eager to contribute to, or shape, the narrative of Renee Good's death. It is a conversational maelstrom. One might describe it as an argument over what conclusions we might draw from the evidence we have. One might describe it more accurately as an argument between many people, where everyone wants, very badly, the narrative they describe to be true. This is so whether that narrative describes (for instance) a good cop defending himself from a murderous driver who deserved to be punished for her refusal to submit to lawful authority or (for instance) a woman fleeing from masked gunmen who assaulted her and then shot at her repeatedly through the side window of her car.
Many of the participants in this many-sided argument do not seem to be letting facts determine their account of things; instead, it appears that they start with a narrative and then hunt for facts and theories that support it. (Some of them do, anyway: when Secretary Noem decries the violence directed against ICE officers and then explains that publicly videotaping their work is one such species of violence, I worry that she believes that citizens who want to make a record of what they see in public should be discouraged from doing so.) In short, Cass Sunstein has identified something important here: the propagation of narratives is a central part of political life.
So what should we say about what really happened? Perhaps the wisest course, at this point, is to exercise a bit of humility." Dan Greenberg, Cato Institue

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Nah, we can see the videos. You leftists aren't blaming Trump, you aren't kumbayah-ing your way out of this. It is YOUR rhetoric that is causing people in YOUR OWN PARTY to commit terrorism and violence. No one to blame but your evil selves.

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Well, the simple answer is NO, you're wrong. Look at Vance, Noem, and Trump's rhetoric for hate and inflammatory comments.

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The only hatful comments are coming from the left and their politicians.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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How is that relevant to his post?

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I know you are smart enough to figure it out...

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Including the part that J6 was never an 'insurrection'.

Sad that anyone still believes that lie.

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Yes, respecting law enforcement like they preach...you have to own it.

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So you have decided to embrace complete fiction.

Good luck with that.

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Fiction...sure.

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1. It was a riot, not an insurrection

2. 120% of those committing crimes were charged (120% because a fair number of people were falsely accused) for J6. Compare that to MN and others where the Democrats actively prevent accountability

3. This is not new information

Flashback: White liberals obstructing black people in traffic "for their own cause"

A father is just trying to get home to his daughter but ICE protesters in New York completely block his car

He has to physically get out and start pushing them away from the hood of his car because they won’t let him or anyone pass

Americans are so over the nonstop protests pic.twitter.com/6RP7QsVvea

— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) January 9, 2026

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NEW: Portland Police Chief Bob Day starts crying, wipes his eyes with a handkerchief after reluctantly admitting the people who were shot by CBP were connected to Tren de Aragua.

Day said he didn’t want to victim blame and was considering keeping the info from the public.

“I… pic.twitter.com/Ra7Ynppqki

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) January 10, 2026

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Wow.

I didn't want to release this information because then it proves they were wrong….


Which is why no one is upset about this shooting. I have not seen one story of people upset about it. Not one post on Facebook of people upset about it. Because it can't be used to further push the agenda.

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Seattle Mayor Katie Wilson urges constituents to sign up for “ICE mobilization alerts” to get alerted when ICE is spotted in the area so they can help illegals hide and go protest and harass the agents pic.twitter.com/wrOaCofnMf

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 9, 2026

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This should be obstruction or more. She should be arrested and removed from office.

Any sort of app or alert that is tracking police and telling people where to go find them should be illegal. Especially if something bad happens after the fact then it should be an accessory type charge.

White women are not that crazy....nevermind.

Reporter tried to calmly ask some white liberal women in Minnesota some questions about immigration.

It went how you’d imagine.pic.twitter.com/BX9l53zCIg

— Paul A. Szypula 🇺🇸 (@Bubblebathgirl) January 10, 2026

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Whilst she probably shouldnt have tried to drive away, its blindingly obvious that she wasnt trying to murder any ICE officers, by the time the officer draws his weapon he is already by the side of the car and in no danger at all, its a really dumb and unexcusable escalation to fire his weapon in that situation and trying to paint the victim as a Domestic Terrorist is pathetic.

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I agree with this. Also, the narrative she had followed them all day for hours and hours I don't buy.

She had just dropped her kid off at school. The shooting happened in the 9am to 9:30 am range. One eye witness was making breakfast across the street when she heard the commotion and came outside.

Should she have tried to escape them, no she should have complied.

Should the Officer posted himself in front of a vehicle, no that is against policy, he should have stayed to the side of the vehicle.

Should he have fired 2 shots into her head at point blank through the drivers side open window after any threat at all had passed him, absolutely not.

Should he have exclaimed "****ing *****" after those two shots emptied into her head, it just showed this was an emotional reaction, not a tactical reaction.

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Just dropped her kid off? Somehow I doubt school starts at 9AM.

So yes she could have been following them for hours.

Perhaps you also missed the post just above yours showing her parked in the road for minutes.

Meanwhile....this is real bravery.

Iranian woman lights her cigarette with a burning photo of the ayatollah. This is braver than anything an American feminist has done in the 21st century. Actual badass: pic.twitter.com/1nzV4lmwOh

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) January 10, 2026