Minneapolis ICE shooting

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FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


By masked agents? If being asked to prove your innocence you should have the right to see your accuser. This is South American death squad stuff, not US Federal Agents.

2 years ago there was out cry on this Board about the tacticalization of the Federal Government and law enforcement, not to mention the weaponization of Agencies. Now under Trump it is not only ok, but growing.


Are you comparing ICE going after foreign invaders to the FBI going after Jan 6ers?

One group came here to loot and pillage, the other group came to stop their own government from stealing an election.



I am talking stopping people on the steet in daylight. These are not DEA tactical raids breaking into a house to get them. It is in the middle of the street with civilians around. Tactical Used to be for a specific operation, this is day to day. One of those guys could stip me or you,we have no recourse. We will be zip tied and thrown in the system having to prove innocence to masked gunman. All they need is for that AEGIS illegal radar to be turned on us. Get it, there is no accountability. No info on how many were legal. What evidence to go after them. That matters.
.


If a masked ICE agent stopped you, hogtied you, and tossed you into a detention center, are you saying you have no recourse because he was masked? But if he had no mask, you would have recourse?

ICE is operating without any paperwork - none? ICE has no records of which of its agents are on any given assignment? ICE has no idea who is working for it because its agents wear masks?

Get real.

Biden let in 12 million thugs and helpful white liberals are hunting down ICE agents - damn right they need to wear masks.


You are good with the tactical, masked Federal Officers with no ID. I can only hope you get to experience it. Maybe its not immigration for you, maybe ATF, Customs, or in the future IRS. Who knows. Federal agent is Federal agent.

This is not the US. Deport, prosecute,arrest. But not as El Salvador circa 1980.


Or the ATF under Janet Reno.
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GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


By masked agents? If being asked to prove your innocence you should have the right to see your accuser. This is South American death squad stuff, not US Federal Agents.

2 years ago there was out cry on this Board about the tacticalization of the Federal Government and law enforcement, not to mention the weaponization of Agencies. Now under Trump it is not only ok, but growing.


Are you comparing ICE going after foreign invaders to the FBI going after Jan 6ers?

One group came here to loot and pillage, the other group came to stop their own government from stealing an election.



I am talking stopping people on the steet in daylight. These are not DEA tactical raids breaking into a house to get them. It is in the middle of the street with civilians around. Tactical Used to be for a specific operation, this is day to day. One of those guys could stip me or you,we have no recourse. We will be zip tied and thrown in the system having to prove innocence to masked gunman. All they need is for that AEGIS illegal radar to be turned on us. Get it, there is no accountability. No info on how many were legal. What evidence to go after them. That matters.
.


If a masked ICE agent stopped you, hogtied you, and tossed you into a detention center, are you saying you have no recourse because he was masked? But if he had no mask, you would have recourse?

ICE is operating without any paperwork - none? ICE has no records of which of its agents are on any given assignment? ICE has no idea who is working for it because its agents wear masks?

Get real.

Biden let in 12 million thugs and helpful white liberals are hunting down ICE agents - damn right they need to wear masks.


You are good with the tactical, masked Federal Officers with no ID. I can only hope you get to experience it. Maybe its not immigration for you, maybe ATF, Customs, or in the future IRS. Who knows. Federal agent is Federal agent.

This is not the US. Deport, prosecute,arrest. But not as El Salvador circa 1980.

They have id. Let me ask it this way since you seem to be ignoring the point.

Is the only thing you are upset with the fact that ICE wears masks for their own protection? If they were not wearing mask and doing the exact same job in all other aspects, you would be okay with it?

If you can answer that, then consider why ICE agents wear masks. Is it because the US government is El Salvador or is it because white liberals are El Salvador?


Game. Set. Match.

(he's just parroting the Talking Points)
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FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


By masked agents? If being asked to prove your innocence you should have the right to see your accuser. This is South American death squad stuff, not US Federal Agents.

2 years ago there was out cry on this Board about the tacticalization of the Federal Government and law enforcement, not to mention the weaponization of Agencies. Now under Trump it is not only ok, but growing.


Are you comparing ICE going after foreign invaders to the FBI going after Jan 6ers?

One group came here to loot and pillage, the other group came to stop their own government from stealing an election.



I am talking stopping people on the steet in daylight. These are not DEA tactical raids breaking into a house to get them. It is in the middle of the street with civilians around. Tactical Used to be for a specific operation, this is day to day. One of those guys could stip me or you,we have no recourse. We will be zip tied and thrown in the system having to prove innocence to masked gunman. All they need is for that AEGIS illegal radar to be turned on us. Get it, there is no accountability. No info on how many were legal. What evidence to go after them. That matters.
.


If a masked ICE agent stopped you, hogtied you, and tossed you into a detention center, are you saying you have no recourse because he was masked? But if he had no mask, you would have recourse?

ICE is operating without any paperwork - none? ICE has no records of which of its agents are on any given assignment? ICE has no idea who is working for it because its agents wear masks?

Get real.

Biden let in 12 million thugs and helpful white liberals are hunting down ICE agents - damn right they need to wear masks.


You are good with the tactical, masked Federal Officers with no ID. I can only hope you get to experience it. Maybe its not immigration for you, maybe ATF, Customs, or in the future IRS. Who knows. Federal agent is Federal agent.

This is not the US. Deport, prosecute,arrest. But not as El Salvador circa 1980.

[Federal regulations mandate that an ICE agent identify themselves as a federal officer and state the reason for an arrest as soon as it is practical and safe. This standard ensures accountability. Agents must verbally identify their agency and status.]

[ ICE agents often operate in plainclothes or tactical gear and carry government-issued badges and credentials, but federal policy and practice do not consistently require them to display badge numbers during every encounter]

They are masked for their protection (but not always)...they carry government issued ID and credentials. You can in fact ask them for their badge number and to identify themselves as Federal Officers. And they will identity themselves. They might not give you their personal name for their protection but let's not act like they are a secret police or secret private militia group.
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GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


By masked agents? If being asked to prove your innocence you should have the right to see your accuser. This is South American death squad stuff, not US Federal Agents.

2 years ago there was out cry on this Board about the tacticalization of the Federal Government and law enforcement, not to mention the weaponization of Agencies. Now under Trump it is not only ok, but growing.


Are you comparing ICE going after foreign invaders to the FBI going after Jan 6ers?

One group came here to loot and pillage, the other group came to stop their own government from stealing an election.



I am talking stopping people on the steet in daylight. These are not DEA tactical raids breaking into a house to get them. It is in the middle of the street with civilians around. Tactical Used to be for a specific operation, this is day to day. One of those guys could stip me or you,we have no recourse. We will be zip tied and thrown in the system having to prove innocence to masked gunman. All they need is for that AEGIS illegal radar to be turned on us. Get it, there is no accountability. No info on how many were legal. What evidence to go after them. That matters.
.


If a masked ICE agent stopped you, hogtied you, and tossed you into a detention center, are you saying you have no recourse because he was masked? But if he had no mask, you would have recourse?

ICE is operating without any paperwork - none? ICE has no records of which of its agents are on any given assignment? ICE has no idea who is working for it because its agents wear masks?

Get real.

Biden let in 12 million thugs and helpful white liberals are hunting down ICE agents - damn right they need to wear masks.


You are good with the tactical, masked Federal Officers with no ID. I can only hope you get to experience it. Maybe its not immigration for you, maybe ATF, Customs, or in the future IRS. Who knows. Federal agent is Federal agent.

This is not the US. Deport, prosecute,arrest. But not as El Salvador circa 1980.

They have id. Let me ask it this way since you seem to be ignoring the point.

Is the only thing you are upset with the fact that ICE wears masks for their own protection? If they were not wearing mask and doing the exact same job in all other aspects, you would be okay with it?

If you can answer that, then consider why ICE agents wear masks. Is it because the US government is El Salvador or is it because white liberals are El Salvador?


This is a big debate, we are at an impasse. This is a nig debate and it is not just left wingers that disagree with masks on law enforcement. My view, like an arrest warrant law enforcement should need the warrant to allow for masking. Not be SOP.
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We are at an impasse only because you will not answer a simple question.
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FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


By masked agents? If being asked to prove your innocence you should have the right to see your accuser. This is South American death squad stuff, not US Federal Agents.

2 years ago there was out cry on this Board about the tacticalization of the Federal Government and law enforcement, not to mention the weaponization of Agencies. Now under Trump it is not only ok, but growing.


Are you comparing ICE going after foreign invaders to the FBI going after Jan 6ers?

One group came here to loot and pillage, the other group came to stop their own government from stealing an election.



I am talking stopping people on the steet in daylight. These are not DEA tactical raids breaking into a house to get them. It is in the middle of the street with civilians around. Tactical Used to be for a specific operation, this is day to day. One of those guys could stip me or you,we have no recourse. We will be zip tied and thrown in the system having to prove innocence to masked gunman. All they need is for that AEGIS illegal radar to be turned on us. Get it, there is no accountability. No info on how many were legal. What evidence to go after them. That matters.
.


If a masked ICE agent stopped you, hogtied you, and tossed you into a detention center, are you saying you have no recourse because he was masked? But if he had no mask, you would have recourse?

ICE is operating without any paperwork - none? ICE has no records of which of its agents are on any given assignment? ICE has no idea who is working for it because its agents wear masks?

Get real.

Biden let in 12 million thugs and helpful white liberals are hunting down ICE agents - damn right they need to wear masks.


You are good with the tactical, masked Federal Officers with no ID. I can only hope you get to experience it. Maybe its not immigration for you, maybe ATF, Customs, or in the future IRS. Who knows. Federal agent is Federal agent.

This is not the US. Deport, prosecute,arrest. But not as El Salvador circa 1980.

Who do you feel kills more people, the masked Federal officers with no ID or the illegal alien with no ID?
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Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


By masked agents? If being asked to prove your innocence you should have the right to see your accuser. This is South American death squad stuff, not US Federal Agents.

2 years ago there was out cry on this Board about the tacticalization of the Federal Government and law enforcement, not to mention the weaponization of Agencies. Now under Trump it is not only ok, but growing.


Are you comparing ICE going after foreign invaders to the FBI going after Jan 6ers?

One group came here to loot and pillage, the other group came to stop their own government from stealing an election.



I am talking stopping people on the steet in daylight. These are not DEA tactical raids breaking into a house to get them. It is in the middle of the street with civilians around. Tactical Used to be for a specific operation, this is day to day. One of those guys could stip me or you,we have no recourse. We will be zip tied and thrown in the system having to prove innocence to masked gunman. All they need is for that AEGIS illegal radar to be turned on us. Get it, there is no accountability. No info on how many were legal. What evidence to go after them. That matters.
.


If a masked ICE agent stopped you, hogtied you, and tossed you into a detention center, are you saying you have no recourse because he was masked? But if he had no mask, you would have recourse?

ICE is operating without any paperwork - none? ICE has no records of which of its agents are on any given assignment? ICE has no idea who is working for it because its agents wear masks?

Get real.

Biden let in 12 million thugs and helpful white liberals are hunting down ICE agents - damn right they need to wear masks.


You are good with the tactical, masked Federal Officers with no ID. I can only hope you get to experience it. Maybe its not immigration for you, maybe ATF, Customs, or in the future IRS. Who knows. Federal agent is Federal agent.

This is not the US. Deport, prosecute,arrest. But not as El Salvador circa 1980.

Who do you feel kills more people, the masked Federal officers with no ID or the illegal alien with no ID?


Funny, how you guys are for Liberty and against Government control. Until you are not. If Biden had done this you would be screaming left-wing fascist. Calling whatever statistics fake news.

Either you are against fascism or you are not. Masked tactical squads pulling people off the streets is fascist, totalitarian or Authoritarian whatever technical definition you want to give it. It is more like 1981 El Salvador than the USA. We are supposed to be better than this.

Unless Donald says otherwise, right?

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FLBear5630 said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


By masked agents? If being asked to prove your innocence you should have the right to see your accuser. This is South American death squad stuff, not US Federal Agents.

2 years ago there was out cry on this Board about the tacticalization of the Federal Government and law enforcement, not to mention the weaponization of Agencies. Now under Trump it is not only ok, but growing.


Are you comparing ICE going after foreign invaders to the FBI going after Jan 6ers?

One group came here to loot and pillage, the other group came to stop their own government from stealing an election.



I am talking stopping people on the steet in daylight. These are not DEA tactical raids breaking into a house to get them. It is in the middle of the street with civilians around. Tactical Used to be for a specific operation, this is day to day. One of those guys could stip me or you,we have no recourse. We will be zip tied and thrown in the system having to prove innocence to masked gunman. All they need is for that AEGIS illegal radar to be turned on us. Get it, there is no accountability. No info on how many were legal. What evidence to go after them. That matters.
.


If a masked ICE agent stopped you, hogtied you, and tossed you into a detention center, are you saying you have no recourse because he was masked? But if he had no mask, you would have recourse?

ICE is operating without any paperwork - none? ICE has no records of which of its agents are on any given assignment? ICE has no idea who is working for it because its agents wear masks?

Get real.

Biden let in 12 million thugs and helpful white liberals are hunting down ICE agents - damn right they need to wear masks.


You are good with the tactical, masked Federal Officers with no ID. I can only hope you get to experience it. Maybe its not immigration for you, maybe ATF, Customs, or in the future IRS. Who knows. Federal agent is Federal agent.

This is not the US. Deport, prosecute,arrest. But not as El Salvador circa 1980.

Who do you feel kills more people, the masked Federal officers with no ID or the illegal alien with no ID?


Funny, how you guys are for Liberty and against Government control. Until you are not. If Biden had done this you would be screaming left-wing fascist. Calling whatever statistics fake news.

Either you are against fascism or you are not. Masked tactical squads pulling people off the streets is fascist, totalitarian or Authoritarian whatever technical definition you want to give it. It is more like 1981 El Salvador than the USA. We are supposed to be better than this.

Unless Donald says otherwise, right?


Answer his question.
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FLBear: " If Biden had done this you would be screaming left-wing fascist"

If Biden had directed federal agents to enforce immigration law, going so far as to allow them to wear masks so protesters could not dox them and attack their families, the response from Conservatives would most likely be stunned silence that Biden suddenly cared about immigration law again, then grudging admission that this was a good thing.

And you know that.
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Oldbear83 said:

FLBear: " If Biden had done this you would be screaming left-wing fascist"

If Biden had directed federal agents to enforce immigration law, going so far as to allow them to wear masks so protesters could not dox them and attack their families, the response from Conservatives would most likely be stunned silence that Biden suddenly cared about immigration law again, then grudging admission that this was a good thing.

And you know that.


Won't argue stunned silence... But you know this crowd, not all but a fair number, were as anti-govt as you can get. Seeing Fed Officers in masks and going tactical in a red state? no way would they be good with it.

As i said, it should be in the warrant not SOP. if the evidence and situation warrants judges can allow. at least there is some due diligence that is trackable
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FLBear5630 said:

Oldbear83 said:

FLBear: " If Biden had done this you would be screaming left-wing fascist"

If Biden had directed federal agents to enforce immigration law, going so far as to allow them to wear masks so protesters could not dox them and attack their families, the response from Conservatives would most likely be stunned silence that Biden suddenly cared about immigration law again, then grudging admission that this was a good thing.

And you know that.


Won't argue stunned silence... But you know this crowd, not all but a fair number, were as anti-govt as you can get. Seeing Fed Officers in masks and going tactical in a red state? no way would they be good with it.

As i said, it should be in the warrant not SOP. if the evidence and situation warrants judges can allow. at least there is some due diligence that is trackable
.

Your efforts to protect those poor Somalis, narco members, and their ilk is noted.
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Oldbear83 said:

FLBear5630 said:

Oldbear83 said:

FLBear: " If Biden had done this you would be screaming left-wing fascist"

If Biden had directed federal agents to enforce immigration law, going so far as to allow them to wear masks so protesters could not dox them and attack their families, the response from Conservatives would most likely be stunned silence that Biden suddenly cared about immigration law again, then grudging admission that this was a good thing.

And you know that.


Won't argue stunned silence... But you know this crowd, not all but a fair number, were as anti-govt as you can get. Seeing Fed Officers in masks and going tactical in a red state? no way would they be good with it.

As i said, it should be in the warrant not SOP. if the evidence and situation warrants judges can allow. at least there is some due diligence that is trackable
.

Your efforts to protect those poor Somalis, narco members, and their ilk is noted.


It has nothing to do with protecting them. We aay immigration is good to do this whats next? Customs, ATF, IRS? Local?

What makes you think it stops there? It is never a good idea to give authorities more power. Policing went from .38 and shotgun to military surplus. Power corrupts.
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FLBear5630 said:

Oldbear83 said:

FLBear5630 said:

Oldbear83 said:

FLBear: " If Biden had done this you would be screaming left-wing fascist"

If Biden had directed federal agents to enforce immigration law, going so far as to allow them to wear masks so protesters could not dox them and attack their families, the response from Conservatives would most likely be stunned silence that Biden suddenly cared about immigration law again, then grudging admission that this was a good thing.

And you know that.


Won't argue stunned silence... But you know this crowd, not all but a fair number, were as anti-govt as you can get. Seeing Fed Officers in masks and going tactical in a red state? no way would they be good with it.

As i said, it should be in the warrant not SOP. if the evidence and situation warrants judges can allow. at least there is some due diligence that is trackable
.

Your efforts to protect those poor Somalis, narco members, and their ilk is noted.


It has nothing to do with protecting them. We aay immigration is good to do this whats next? Customs, ATF, IRS? Local?

What makes you think it stops there? It is never a good idea to give authorities more power. Policing went from .38 and shotgun to military surplus. Power corrupts.

You need a nap and a binky.
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FLBear5630 said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


By masked agents? If being asked to prove your innocence you should have the right to see your accuser. This is South American death squad stuff, not US Federal Agents.

2 years ago there was out cry on this Board about the tacticalization of the Federal Government and law enforcement, not to mention the weaponization of Agencies. Now under Trump it is not only ok, but growing.


Are you comparing ICE going after foreign invaders to the FBI going after Jan 6ers?

One group came here to loot and pillage, the other group came to stop their own government from stealing an election.



I am talking stopping people on the steet in daylight. These are not DEA tactical raids breaking into a house to get them. It is in the middle of the street with civilians around. Tactical Used to be for a specific operation, this is day to day. One of those guys could stip me or you,we have no recourse. We will be zip tied and thrown in the system having to prove innocence to masked gunman. All they need is for that AEGIS illegal radar to be turned on us. Get it, there is no accountability. No info on how many were legal. What evidence to go after them. That matters.
.


If a masked ICE agent stopped you, hogtied you, and tossed you into a detention center, are you saying you have no recourse because he was masked? But if he had no mask, you would have recourse?

ICE is operating without any paperwork - none? ICE has no records of which of its agents are on any given assignment? ICE has no idea who is working for it because its agents wear masks?

Get real.

Biden let in 12 million thugs and helpful white liberals are hunting down ICE agents - damn right they need to wear masks.


You are good with the tactical, masked Federal Officers with no ID. I can only hope you get to experience it. Maybe its not immigration for you, maybe ATF, Customs, or in the future IRS. Who knows. Federal agent is Federal agent.

This is not the US. Deport, prosecute,arrest. But not as El Salvador circa 1980.

Who do you feel kills more people, the masked Federal officers with no ID or the illegal alien with no ID?


Funny, how you guys are for Liberty and against Government control. Until you are not. If Biden had done this you would be screaming left-wing fascist. Calling whatever statistics fake news.

Either you are against fascism or you are not. Masked tactical squads pulling people off the streets is fascist, totalitarian or Authoritarian whatever technical definition you want to give it. It is more like 1981 El Salvador than the USA. We are supposed to be better than this.

Unless Donald says otherwise, right?



If Biden had not let in 12 million and instead was deporting every illegal he could find, I would have voted for him.

Officers protecting themselves and their families from violent white liberals is neither fascism nor El Salvador. The actions of the white liberals on the other hand, are.
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FLBear5630 said:

Oldbear83 said:

FLBear5630 said:

Oldbear83 said:

FLBear: " If Biden had done this you would be screaming left-wing fascist"

If Biden had directed federal agents to enforce immigration law, going so far as to allow them to wear masks so protesters could not dox them and attack their families, the response from Conservatives would most likely be stunned silence that Biden suddenly cared about immigration law again, then grudging admission that this was a good thing.

And you know that.


Won't argue stunned silence... But you know this crowd, not all but a fair number, were as anti-govt as you can get. Seeing Fed Officers in masks and going tactical in a red state? no way would they be good with it.

As i said, it should be in the warrant not SOP. if the evidence and situation warrants judges can allow. at least there is some due diligence that is trackable
.

Your efforts to protect those poor Somalis, narco members, and their ilk is noted.


It has nothing to do with protecting them. We aay immigration is good to do this whats next? Customs, ATF, IRS? Local?

What makes you think it stops there? It is never a good idea to give authorities more power. Policing went from .38 and shotgun to military surplus. Power corrupts.
You keep pretending like immigration wasn't and isn't a huge driver in our elections. You act like Trump is just randomly sending out federal agents to harass people. Thats not happening. Illegal immigration's a problem that has gone from .38 special to shotgun to almost a nuclear holocaust under Biden. If you could be honest in this discussion, the topic would make a lot more sense to you.
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GrowlTowel said:

We are at an impasse only because you will not answer a simple question.

100%. All the TDSers do this on every thread - specifics are their Kryptonite.
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FLBear5630 said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


By masked agents? If being asked to prove your innocence you should have the right to see your accuser. This is South American death squad stuff, not US Federal Agents.

2 years ago there was out cry on this Board about the tacticalization of the Federal Government and law enforcement, not to mention the weaponization of Agencies. Now under Trump it is not only ok, but growing.


Are you comparing ICE going after foreign invaders to the FBI going after Jan 6ers?

One group came here to loot and pillage, the other group came to stop their own government from stealing an election.



I am talking stopping people on the steet in daylight. These are not DEA tactical raids breaking into a house to get them. It is in the middle of the street with civilians around. Tactical Used to be for a specific operation, this is day to day. One of those guys could stip me or you,we have no recourse. We will be zip tied and thrown in the system having to prove innocence to masked gunman. All they need is for that AEGIS illegal radar to be turned on us. Get it, there is no accountability. No info on how many were legal. What evidence to go after them. That matters.
.


If a masked ICE agent stopped you, hogtied you, and tossed you into a detention center, are you saying you have no recourse because he was masked? But if he had no mask, you would have recourse?

ICE is operating without any paperwork - none? ICE has no records of which of its agents are on any given assignment? ICE has no idea who is working for it because its agents wear masks?

Get real.

Biden let in 12 million thugs and helpful white liberals are hunting down ICE agents - damn right they need to wear masks.


You are good with the tactical, masked Federal Officers with no ID. I can only hope you get to experience it. Maybe its not immigration for you, maybe ATF, Customs, or in the future IRS. Who knows. Federal agent is Federal agent.

This is not the US. Deport, prosecute,arrest. But not as El Salvador circa 1980.

Who do you feel kills more people, the masked Federal officers with no ID or the illegal alien with no ID?


Funny, how you guys are for Liberty and against Government control. Until you are not. If Biden had done this you would be screaming left-wing fascist. Calling whatever statistics fake news.

Either you are against fascism or you are not. Masked tactical squads pulling people off the streets is fascist, totalitarian or Authoritarian whatever technical definition you want to give it. It is more like 1981 El Salvador than the USA. We are supposed to be better than this.

Unless Donald says otherwise, right?

You've become a clown at this point.

If you had two brain cells to rub together you would know why ICE is conducting raids. I could explain it to you but you would not attempt to understand it because you've become a caricature.
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FLBear5630 said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


By masked agents? If being asked to prove your innocence you should have the right to see your accuser. This is South American death squad stuff, not US Federal Agents.

2 years ago there was out cry on this Board about the tacticalization of the Federal Government and law enforcement, not to mention the weaponization of Agencies. Now under Trump it is not only ok, but growing.


Are you comparing ICE going after foreign invaders to the FBI going after Jan 6ers?

One group came here to loot and pillage, the other group came to stop their own government from stealing an election.



I am talking stopping people on the steet in daylight. These are not DEA tactical raids breaking into a house to get them. It is in the middle of the street with civilians around. Tactical Used to be for a specific operation, this is day to day. One of those guys could stip me or you,we have no recourse. We will be zip tied and thrown in the system having to prove innocence to masked gunman. All they need is for that AEGIS illegal radar to be turned on us. Get it, there is no accountability. No info on how many were legal. What evidence to go after them. That matters.
.


If a masked ICE agent stopped you, hogtied you, and tossed you into a detention center, are you saying you have no recourse because he was masked? But if he had no mask, you would have recourse?

ICE is operating without any paperwork - none? ICE has no records of which of its agents are on any given assignment? ICE has no idea who is working for it because its agents wear masks?

Get real.

Biden let in 12 million thugs and helpful white liberals are hunting down ICE agents - damn right they need to wear masks.


You are good with the tactical, masked Federal Officers with no ID. I can only hope you get to experience it. Maybe its not immigration for you, maybe ATF, Customs, or in the future IRS. Who knows. Federal agent is Federal agent.

This is not the US. Deport, prosecute,arrest. But not as El Salvador circa 1980.

Who do you feel kills more people, the masked Federal officers with no ID or the illegal alien with no ID?


Funny, how you guys are for Liberty and against Government control. Until you are not. If Biden had done this you would be screaming left-wing fascist. Calling whatever statistics fake news.

Either you are against fascism or you are not. Masked tactical squads pulling people off the streets is fascist, totalitarian or Authoritarian whatever technical definition you want to give it. It is more like 1981 El Salvador than the USA. We are supposed to be better than this.

Unless Donald says otherwise, right?

So you think the criminal illegal aliens should run free, unfettered, to do whatever they want? Murder, rape, torture? By the hundreds? vs one white liberal woman who tried to run over officers getting offed by the agents?
"It always seems impossible until it's done." – Nelson Mandela
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Found a great depiction of the Good supporters.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18CnxQQEoi/
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boognish_bear said:




Cemetery raid?
Sam Lowry
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FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


By masked agents? If being asked to prove your innocence you should have the right to see your accuser. This is South American death squad stuff, not US Federal Agents.

2 years ago there was out cry on this Board about the tacticalization of the Federal Government and law enforcement, not to mention the weaponization of Agencies. Now under Trump it is not only ok, but growing.


Are you comparing ICE going after foreign invaders to the FBI going after Jan 6ers?

One group came here to loot and pillage, the other group came to stop their own government from stealing an election.



I am talking stopping people on the steet in daylight. These are not DEA tactical raids breaking into a house to get them. It is in the middle of the street with civilians around. Tactical Used to be for a specific operation, this is day to day. One of those guys could stip me or you,we have no recourse. We will be zip tied and thrown in the system having to prove innocence to masked gunman. All they need is for that AEGIS illegal radar to be turned on us. Get it, there is no accountability. No info on how many were legal. What evidence to go after them. That matters.
.

The voice of reason.
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Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


By masked agents? If being asked to prove your innocence you should have the right to see your accuser. This is South American death squad stuff, not US Federal Agents.

2 years ago there was out cry on this Board about the tacticalization of the Federal Government and law enforcement, not to mention the weaponization of Agencies. Now under Trump it is not only ok, but growing.


Are you comparing ICE going after foreign invaders to the FBI going after Jan 6ers?

One group came here to loot and pillage, the other group came to stop their own government from stealing an election.



I am talking stopping people on the steet in daylight. These are not DEA tactical raids breaking into a house to get them. It is in the middle of the street with civilians around. Tactical Used to be for a specific operation, this is day to day. One of those guys could stip me or you,we have no recourse. We will be zip tied and thrown in the system having to prove innocence to masked gunman. All they need is for that AEGIS illegal radar to be turned on us. Get it, there is no accountability. No info on how many were legal. What evidence to go after them. That matters.
.

Gee, what changed? Oh right, 4 years of Biden's administration literally holding open border fencing and flooding our nation with illegals. You don't get to have your guy flood the country illegally and then worry that our guy is cleaning up your guys mess in a way you dislike. You cheered the mess, so we don't care about your opinions on the clean up.

Followed by a textbook example of partisan irrationality.
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Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


By masked agents? If being asked to prove your innocence you should have the right to see your accuser. This is South American death squad stuff, not US Federal Agents.

2 years ago there was out cry on this Board about the tacticalization of the Federal Government and law enforcement, not to mention the weaponization of Agencies. Now under Trump it is not only ok, but growing.


Are you comparing ICE going after foreign invaders to the FBI going after Jan 6ers?

One group came here to loot and pillage, the other group came to stop their own government from stealing an election.



I am talking stopping people on the steet in daylight. These are not DEA tactical raids breaking into a house to get them. It is in the middle of the street with civilians around. Tactical Used to be for a specific operation, this is day to day. One of those guys could stip me or you,we have no recourse. We will be zip tied and thrown in the system having to prove innocence to masked gunman. All they need is for that AEGIS illegal radar to be turned on us. Get it, there is no accountability. No info on how many were legal. What evidence to go after them. That matters.
.

Gee, what changed? Oh right, 4 years of Biden's administration literally holding open border fencing and flooding our nation with illegals. You don't get to have your guy flood the country illegally and then worry that our guy is cleaning up your guys mess in a way you dislike. You cheered the mess, so we don't care about your opinions on the clean up.

Followed by a textbook example of partisan irrationality.
Of course you see it that way, you're extremely biased. So when someone posts false accusations against ICE you put your knees on top of their feet and swallow it whole.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


By masked agents? If being asked to prove your innocence you should have the right to see your accuser. This is South American death squad stuff, not US Federal Agents.

2 years ago there was out cry on this Board about the tacticalization of the Federal Government and law enforcement, not to mention the weaponization of Agencies. Now under Trump it is not only ok, but growing.


Are you comparing ICE going after foreign invaders to the FBI going after Jan 6ers?

One group came here to loot and pillage, the other group came to stop their own government from stealing an election.



I am talking stopping people on the steet in daylight. These are not DEA tactical raids breaking into a house to get them. It is in the middle of the street with civilians around. Tactical Used to be for a specific operation, this is day to day. One of those guys could stip me or you,we have no recourse. We will be zip tied and thrown in the system having to prove innocence to masked gunman. All they need is for that AEGIS illegal radar to be turned on us. Get it, there is no accountability. No info on how many were legal. What evidence to go after them. That matters.
.


If a masked ICE agent stopped you, hogtied you, and tossed you into a detention center, are you saying you have no recourse because he was masked? But if he had no mask, you would have recourse?

ICE is operating without any paperwork - none? ICE has no records of which of its agents are on any given assignment? ICE has no idea who is working for it because its agents wear masks?

Get real.

Biden let in 12 million thugs and helpful white liberals are hunting down ICE agents - damn right they need to wear masks.


You are good with the tactical, masked Federal Officers with no ID. I can only hope you get to experience it. Maybe its not immigration for you, maybe ATF, Customs, or in the future IRS. Who knows. Federal agent is Federal agent.

This is not the US. Deport, prosecute,arrest. But not as El Salvador circa 1980.

Is the only thing you are upset with the fact that ICE wears masks for their own protection? If they were not wearing mask and doing the exact same job in all other aspects, you would be okay with it?

Personally I'm just concerned for their health. We all know face diapers make it nearly impossible to breathe.
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Revealed: ICE Agent Suffered Injuries Before Shooting Renee Good
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Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


By masked agents? If being asked to prove your innocence you should have the right to see your accuser. This is South American death squad stuff, not US Federal Agents.

2 years ago there was out cry on this Board about the tacticalization of the Federal Government and law enforcement, not to mention the weaponization of Agencies. Now under Trump it is not only ok, but growing.


Are you comparing ICE going after foreign invaders to the FBI going after Jan 6ers?

One group came here to loot and pillage, the other group came to stop their own government from stealing an election.



I am talking stopping people on the steet in daylight. These are not DEA tactical raids breaking into a house to get them. It is in the middle of the street with civilians around. Tactical Used to be for a specific operation, this is day to day. One of those guys could stip me or you,we have no recourse. We will be zip tied and thrown in the system having to prove innocence to masked gunman. All they need is for that AEGIS illegal radar to be turned on us. Get it, there is no accountability. No info on how many were legal. What evidence to go after them. That matters.
.

Gee, what changed? Oh right, 4 years of Biden's administration literally holding open border fencing and flooding our nation with illegals. You don't get to have your guy flood the country illegally and then worry that our guy is cleaning up your guys mess in a way you dislike. You cheered the mess, so we don't care about your opinions on the clean up.

Followed by a textbook example of partisan irrationality.

Yes you are. Glad you are finally developing some self-awareness.
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Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


By masked agents? If being asked to prove your innocence you should have the right to see your accuser. This is South American death squad stuff, not US Federal Agents.

2 years ago there was out cry on this Board about the tacticalization of the Federal Government and law enforcement, not to mention the weaponization of Agencies. Now under Trump it is not only ok, but growing.


Are you comparing ICE going after foreign invaders to the FBI going after Jan 6ers?

One group came here to loot and pillage, the other group came to stop their own government from stealing an election.



I am talking stopping people on the steet in daylight. These are not DEA tactical raids breaking into a house to get them. It is in the middle of the street with civilians around. Tactical Used to be for a specific operation, this is day to day. One of those guys could stip me or you,we have no recourse. We will be zip tied and thrown in the system having to prove innocence to masked gunman. All they need is for that AEGIS illegal radar to be turned on us. Get it, there is no accountability. No info on how many were legal. What evidence to go after them. That matters.
.

Gee, what changed? Oh right, 4 years of Biden's administration literally holding open border fencing and flooding our nation with illegals. You don't get to have your guy flood the country illegally and then worry that our guy is cleaning up your guys mess in a way you dislike. You cheered the mess, so we don't care about your opinions on the clean up.

Followed by a textbook example of partisan irrationality.

Of course you see it that way, you're extremely biased. So when someone posts false accusations against ICE you put your knees on top of their feet and swallow it whole.

I'll be the first to reject any accusations that are false. The difference between us is that I care one way or the other. Your answer to any accusation is "Biden."
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Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


By masked agents? If being asked to prove your innocence you should have the right to see your accuser. This is South American death squad stuff, not US Federal Agents.

2 years ago there was out cry on this Board about the tacticalization of the Federal Government and law enforcement, not to mention the weaponization of Agencies. Now under Trump it is not only ok, but growing.


Are you comparing ICE going after foreign invaders to the FBI going after Jan 6ers?

One group came here to loot and pillage, the other group came to stop their own government from stealing an election.



I am talking stopping people on the steet in daylight. These are not DEA tactical raids breaking into a house to get them. It is in the middle of the street with civilians around. Tactical Used to be for a specific operation, this is day to day. One of those guys could stip me or you,we have no recourse. We will be zip tied and thrown in the system having to prove innocence to masked gunman. All they need is for that AEGIS illegal radar to be turned on us. Get it, there is no accountability. No info on how many were legal. What evidence to go after them. That matters.
.

Gee, what changed? Oh right, 4 years of Biden's administration literally holding open border fencing and flooding our nation with illegals. You don't get to have your guy flood the country illegally and then worry that our guy is cleaning up your guys mess in a way you dislike. You cheered the mess, so we don't care about your opinions on the clean up.

Followed by a textbook example of partisan irrationality.

Of course you see it that way, you're extremely biased. So when someone posts false accusations against ICE you put your knees on top of their feet and swallow it whole.

I'll be the first to reject any accusations that are false. The difference between us is that I care one way or the other. Your answer to any accusation is "Biden."


Recent history does not align with your first statement.

Lab leak
Genocide in Gaza
Russias right to be in Ukraine
Wangchung
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Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Mothra said:

Forest Bueller III said:

Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:



I know of no law that says you have the right to resist arrest, even if wrongfully detained. There are civil lawsuits filed everyday based on violations of the constitution. This guy might have a case. But that doesn't mean you can take the law into your own hands.

This incident is emblematic of my major issue with these "raids".

They are just "fishing" they have no idea who is or who isn't illegal.

Everybody would have issue with them doing this to their own American citizen child,
who might have gotten a great tan over the summer and suddenly be targeted.

Agree on this, and have several clients affected by it. But even if my son was targeted, my advice would be to comply with the officer's requests, and not resist arrest, unless he wants to get seriously injured or even killed.

We have the judiciary to sort out the details.


Who are you complying with? We are now seeing "fake" ICE, people who are wearing military gear and harassing people on the street because ICE is not identifying themselves.

This is a sad time in our history. There's a video of a handcuffed female detainee being taken into a portapotty by an ICE agent while his partner stays in the car.

And none of this is remotely effective.

Oh no! Well I guess we can't enforce immigration laws anymore. Darn it.


Don't be obtuse. What other law do we enforce by grabbing random people and forcing them to prove their innocence?

Maybe we should militarize the IRS and have them grave citizens in Highland Park and force them to show their tax returns or set up road blocks to make sure everyone has a license.

Mr. Chung, it's not happening to you, so it's ok?


By masked agents? If being asked to prove your innocence you should have the right to see your accuser. This is South American death squad stuff, not US Federal Agents.

2 years ago there was out cry on this Board about the tacticalization of the Federal Government and law enforcement, not to mention the weaponization of Agencies. Now under Trump it is not only ok, but growing.


Are you comparing ICE going after foreign invaders to the FBI going after Jan 6ers?

One group came here to loot and pillage, the other group came to stop their own government from stealing an election.



I am talking stopping people on the steet in daylight. These are not DEA tactical raids breaking into a house to get them. It is in the middle of the street with civilians around. Tactical Used to be for a specific operation, this is day to day. One of those guys could stip me or you,we have no recourse. We will be zip tied and thrown in the system having to prove innocence to masked gunman. All they need is for that AEGIS illegal radar to be turned on us. Get it, there is no accountability. No info on how many were legal. What evidence to go after them. That matters.
.

Gee, what changed? Oh right, 4 years of Biden's administration literally holding open border fencing and flooding our nation with illegals. You don't get to have your guy flood the country illegally and then worry that our guy is cleaning up your guys mess in a way you dislike. You cheered the mess, so we don't care about your opinions on the clean up.

Followed by a textbook example of partisan irrationality.

Of course you see it that way, you're extremely biased. So when someone posts false accusations against ICE you put your knees on top of their feet and swallow it whole.

I'll be the first to reject any accusations that are false. The difference between us is that I care one way or the other. Your answer to any accusation is "Biden."
Yeah, because we look at root causes in discussions about the border. You don't get to lambast THIS administration over using extreme legal measures to combat the problem then demand we don't bring up who caused it intentionally. (Hint; the same people who are pretending to be outraged now are the ones who caused it)
You supported his false claim that agents are just randomly grabbing people off the street. You supported the false claim that agents aren't accountable to anyone and citizens are getting disappeared. So yes, you ABSOLUTELY accept and endorse false accusations.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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