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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Without standing the case would be dismissed. We're not debating the merits of the evidence but rather its existence. To say there's no evidence is a lie.

Furthermore, the ability to weigh evidence depends on due process. To the extent that ICE or other agencies abandon due process, they lose the benefit of the doubt.

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Nope. Still not evidence of your claims. Try again.

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I've made my point. And for someone calling out lies, you post a lot of them.

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1. Telling that you get bitter when someone points out errors in your logic.

2. You still have no evidence, Sam.

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When will the IG investigation be complete? That will determine if it was justified, this is pure speculation. The Agent on Admin Leave after the shooting deserves an adjudication.

They IG is investigating and the Agent that used his firearm is on Admin Leave, correct?.

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So we are back to "Don't trust your own lying eyes..."?

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No, back to SOP for EVERY law enforcement Agency in the US. After a fatal shooting, an investigation occurs and the agent on Admin Leave, talks to a Psychologist and is cleared to go back on the street. It is for their protection as much as the public. Killing someone is a big deal and traumatic. You guys act like it is Call of Duty, but that Agents life changed, that Family's future changed and the other Agents are part of it. It will come back being part and seeing that *****

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Without standing the case would be dismissed. We're not debating the merits of the evidence but rather its existence. To say there's no evidence is a lie.

Furthermore, the ability to weigh evidence depends on due process. To the extent that ICE or other agencies abandon due process, they lose the benefit of the doubt.

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Nope. Still not evidence of your claims. Try again.

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I've made my point. And for someone calling out lies, you post a lot of them.

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1. Telling that you get bitter when someone points out errors in your logic.

2. You still have no evidence, Sam.

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When will the IG investigation be complete? That will determine if it was justified, this is pure speculation. The Agent on Admin Leave after the shooting deserves an adjudication.

They IG is investigating and the Agent that used his firearm is on Admin Leave, correct?.

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So we are back to "Don't trust your own lying eyes..."?

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No, back to SOP for EVERY law enforcement Agency in the US. After a fatal shooting, an investigation occurs and the agent on Admin Leave, talks to a Psychologist and is cleared to go back on the street. It is for their protection as much as the public. Killing someone is a big deal and traumatic. You guys act like it is Call of Duty, but that Agents life changed, that Family's future changed and the other Agents are part of it. It will come back being part and seeing that *****

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But WE, the OBSERVERS of the evidence, CAN make determinations as to what happened without waiting for an investigation. Since we all saw the same videos, it boils down to who is honest and who is a liar. It's very simple, just like with the Kyle Rittenhouse case.

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Without standing the case would be dismissed. We're not debating the merits of the evidence but rather its existence. To say there's no evidence is a lie.

Furthermore, the ability to weigh evidence depends on due process. To the extent that ICE or other agencies abandon due process, they lose the benefit of the doubt.

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Nope. Still not evidence of your claims. Try again.

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I've made my point. And for someone calling out lies, you post a lot of them.

---

1. Telling that you get bitter when someone points out errors in your logic.

2. You still have no evidence, Sam.

---

When will the IG investigation be complete? That will determine if it was justified, this is pure speculation. The Agent on Admin Leave after the shooting deserves an adjudication.

They IG is investigating and the Agent that used his firearm is on Admin Leave, correct?.

---

So we are back to "Don't trust your own lying eyes..."?

---

No, back to SOP for EVERY law enforcement Agency in the US. After a fatal shooting, an investigation occurs and the agent on Admin Leave, talks to a Psychologist and is cleared to go back on the street. It is for their protection as much as the public. Killing someone is a big deal and traumatic. You guys act like it is Call of Duty, but that Agents life changed, that Family's future changed and the other Agents are part of it. It will come back being part and seeing that *****

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I wrote this a week ago in this thread

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/157777/replies/4439303

"I mentioned yesterday, the officer has to carry this with him the rest of his life. This was a split-second decision with genuine danger to the officer, not some video game. End of the day, you either accept the guy had to make a fatal decision in a moment against someone who had already demonstrated aggression and was a threat to him, or you pretend you, with no training, no exposure to the situation, and with a subjective interpretation of video are qualified to trash the guy who had to do the job."

So please stop pretending you are the only or first person to understand the cost this incident will have for the officer, even assuming he will be legally supported,

And yes, every officer-involved shooting gets investigated. That, in no way, means that there are legitimate reasons to doubt that the shooting was justified.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Without standing the case would be dismissed. We're not debating the merits of the evidence but rather its existence. To say there's no evidence is a lie.

Furthermore, the ability to weigh evidence depends on due process. To the extent that ICE or other agencies abandon due process, they lose the benefit of the doubt.

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Nope. Still not evidence of your claims. Try again.

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I've made my point. And for someone calling out lies, you post a lot of them.

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1. Telling that you get bitter when someone points out errors in your logic.

2. You still have no evidence, Sam.

---

When will the IG investigation be complete? That will determine if it was justified, this is pure speculation. The Agent on Admin Leave after the shooting deserves an adjudication.

They IG is investigating and the Agent that used his firearm is on Admin Leave, correct?.

---

So we are back to "Don't trust your own lying eyes..."?

---

No, back to SOP for EVERY law enforcement Agency in the US. After a fatal shooting, an investigation occurs and the agent on Admin Leave, talks to a Psychologist and is cleared to go back on the street. It is for their protection as much as the public. Killing someone is a big deal and traumatic. You guys act like it is Call of Duty, but that Agents life changed, that Family's future changed and the other Agents are part of it. It will come back being part and seeing that *****

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I wrote this a week ago in this thread

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/157777/replies/4439303

"I mentioned yesterday, the officer has to carry this with him the rest of his life. This was a split-second decision with genuine danger to the officer, not some video game. End of the day, you either accept the guy had to make a fatal decision in a moment against someone who had already demonstrated aggression and was a threat to him, or you pretend you, with no training, no exposure to the situation, and with a subjective interpretation of video are qualified to trash the guy who had to do the job."

So please stop pretending you are the only or first person to understand the cost this incident will have for the officer, even assuming he will be legally supported,

And yes, every officer-involved shooting gets investigated. That, in no way, means that there are legitimate reasons to doubt that the shooting was justified.

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It was posted to someone else. What is with you? You want us to go back find old posts of yours and give you credit for saying something similar? A bit insecure?

Ok, Hey everyone! OldBear said the officer will have to deal with this. Please give it up for Oldbear!!! Kudos!!! You are soooo good!

Feel better?

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D. C. Bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Without standing the case would be dismissed. We're not debating the merits of the evidence but rather its existence. To say there's no evidence is a lie.

Furthermore, the ability to weigh evidence depends on due process. To the extent that ICE or other agencies abandon due process, they lose the benefit of the doubt.

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Nope. Still not evidence of your claims. Try again.

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I've made my point. And for someone calling out lies, you post a lot of them.

---

1. Telling that you get bitter when someone points out errors in your logic.

2. You still have no evidence, Sam.

---

When will the IG investigation be complete? That will determine if it was justified, this is pure speculation. The Agent on Admin Leave after the shooting deserves an adjudication.

They IG is investigating and the Agent that used his firearm is on Admin Leave, correct?.

---

So we are back to "Don't trust your own lying eyes..."?

---

No, back to SOP for EVERY law enforcement Agency in the US. After a fatal shooting, an investigation occurs and the agent on Admin Leave, talks to a Psychologist and is cleared to go back on the street. It is for their protection as much as the public. Killing someone is a big deal and traumatic. You guys act like it is Call of Duty, but that Agents life changed, that Family's future changed and the other Agents are part of it. It will come back being part and seeing that *****

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But WE, the OBSERVERS of the evidence, CAN make determinations as to what happened without waiting for an investigation. Since we all saw the same videos, it boils down to who is honest and who is a liar. It's very simple, just like with the Kyle Rittenhouse case.

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Not really. People can look at the videos and draw different conclusions while still being honest.

But you are very much spot on that a fatal shooting like this is highly traumatic for all involved.

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Without standing the case would be dismissed. We're not debating the merits of the evidence but rather its existence. To say there's no evidence is a lie.

Furthermore, the ability to weigh evidence depends on due process. To the extent that ICE or other agencies abandon due process, they lose the benefit of the doubt.

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Nope. Still not evidence of your claims. Try again.

---

I've made my point. And for someone calling out lies, you post a lot of them.

---

1. Telling that you get bitter when someone points out errors in your logic.

2. You still have no evidence, Sam.

---

When will the IG investigation be complete? That will determine if it was justified, this is pure speculation. The Agent on Admin Leave after the shooting deserves an adjudication.

They IG is investigating and the Agent that used his firearm is on Admin Leave, correct?.

---

So we are back to "Don't trust your own lying eyes..."?

---

No, back to SOP for EVERY law enforcement Agency in the US. After a fatal shooting, an investigation occurs and the agent on Admin Leave, talks to a Psychologist and is cleared to go back on the street. It is for their protection as much as the public. Killing someone is a big deal and traumatic. You guys act like it is Call of Duty, but that Agents life changed, that Family's future changed and the other Agents are part of it. It will come back being part and seeing that *****

---

I wrote this a week ago in this thread

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/157777/replies/4439303

"I mentioned yesterday, the officer has to carry this with him the rest of his life. This was a split-second decision with genuine danger to the officer, not some video game. End of the day, you either accept the guy had to make a fatal decision in a moment against someone who had already demonstrated aggression and was a threat to him, or you pretend you, with no training, no exposure to the situation, and with a subjective interpretation of video are qualified to trash the guy who had to do the job."

So please stop pretending you are the only or first person to understand the cost this incident will have for the officer, even assuming he will be legally supported,

And yes, every officer-involved shooting gets investigated. That, in no way, means that there are legitimate reasons to doubt that the shooting was justified.

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It was posted to someone else. What is with you? You want us to go back find old posts of yours and give you credit for saying something similar? A bit insecure?

Ok, Hey everyone! OldBear said the officer will have to deal with this. Please give it up for Oldbear!!! Kudos!!! You are soooo good!

Feel better?

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You really will do anything to avoid the point, I see.

YOU pretended only your side cares about the cost of the incident to the officer. My post, and I am sure others if they wanted to pull them up, prove you are once again not telling the truth.

Maybe you should let the adults run with this topic for a while. You're not handling it well.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Without standing the case would be dismissed. We're not debating the merits of the evidence but rather its existence. To say there's no evidence is a lie.

Furthermore, the ability to weigh evidence depends on due process. To the extent that ICE or other agencies abandon due process, they lose the benefit of the doubt.

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Nope. Still not evidence of your claims. Try again.

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I've made my point. And for someone calling out lies, you post a lot of them.

---

1. Telling that you get bitter when someone points out errors in your logic.

2. You still have no evidence, Sam.

---

When will the IG investigation be complete? That will determine if it was justified, this is pure speculation. The Agent on Admin Leave after the shooting deserves an adjudication.

They IG is investigating and the Agent that used his firearm is on Admin Leave, correct?.

---

So we are back to "Don't trust your own lying eyes..."?

---

No, back to SOP for EVERY law enforcement Agency in the US. After a fatal shooting, an investigation occurs and the agent on Admin Leave, talks to a Psychologist and is cleared to go back on the street. It is for their protection as much as the public. Killing someone is a big deal and traumatic. You guys act like it is Call of Duty, but that Agents life changed, that Family's future changed and the other Agents are part of it. It will come back being part and seeing that *****

---

I wrote this a week ago in this thread

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/157777/replies/4439303

"I mentioned yesterday, the officer has to carry this with him the rest of his life. This was a split-second decision with genuine danger to the officer, not some video game. End of the day, you either accept the guy had to make a fatal decision in a moment against someone who had already demonstrated aggression and was a threat to him, or you pretend you, with no training, no exposure to the situation, and with a subjective interpretation of video are qualified to trash the guy who had to do the job."

So please stop pretending you are the only or first person to understand the cost this incident will have for the officer, even assuming he will be legally supported,

And yes, every officer-involved shooting gets investigated. That, in no way, means that there are legitimate reasons to doubt that the shooting was justified.

---

It was posted to someone else. What is with you? You want us to go back find old posts of yours and give you credit for saying something similar? A bit insecure?

Ok, Hey everyone! OldBear said the officer will have to deal with this. Please give it up for Oldbear!!! Kudos!!! You are soooo good!

Feel better?

---

You really will do anything to avoid the point, I see.

YOU pretended only your side cares about the cost of the incident to the officer. My post, and I am sure others if they wanted to pull them up, prove you are once again not telling the truth.

Maybe you should let the adults run with this topic for a while. You're not handling it well.

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BS and you know it.

There is ALWAYS an investigation into a fatal shooting by Law Enforcement. Yet, you dont want to give it any credence with the trust your eyes BS. (Notice the trust your eyes dont go for Jan 6th, huh?). Someone died at the hand of the Government that needs to be investigated. Didnt know you were such a big fan of Government in our lives. Fan of Federal. oversight and control, right?

Donald has gotten you guys where the Government can kill people and it is wrong to be asking about it?

The investigation will tell all. The FBI has blocked the State from evidence? Why? US DOJ prosecutors (Pam's boys) are resigning over the handling. Why?

Trust your eyes! Yeah, they are showing what they want you to see. Can't believe this Board has gone pro-Fed...

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Without standing the case would be dismissed. We're not debating the merits of the evidence but rather its existence. To say there's no evidence is a lie.

Furthermore, the ability to weigh evidence depends on due process. To the extent that ICE or other agencies abandon due process, they lose the benefit of the doubt.

---

Nope. Still not evidence of your claims. Try again.

---

I've made my point. And for someone calling out lies, you post a lot of them.

---

1. Telling that you get bitter when someone points out errors in your logic.

2. You still have no evidence, Sam.

---

When will the IG investigation be complete? That will determine if it was justified, this is pure speculation. The Agent on Admin Leave after the shooting deserves an adjudication.

They IG is investigating and the Agent that used his firearm is on Admin Leave, correct?.

---

So we are back to "Don't trust your own lying eyes..."?

---

No, back to SOP for EVERY law enforcement Agency in the US. After a fatal shooting, an investigation occurs and the agent on Admin Leave, talks to a Psychologist and is cleared to go back on the street. It is for their protection as much as the public. Killing someone is a big deal and traumatic. You guys act like it is Call of Duty, but that Agents life changed, that Family's future changed and the other Agents are part of it. It will come back being part and seeing that *****

---

I wrote this a week ago in this thread

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/157777/replies/4439303

"I mentioned yesterday, the officer has to carry this with him the rest of his life. This was a split-second decision with genuine danger to the officer, not some video game. End of the day, you either accept the guy had to make a fatal decision in a moment against someone who had already demonstrated aggression and was a threat to him, or you pretend you, with no training, no exposure to the situation, and with a subjective interpretation of video are qualified to trash the guy who had to do the job."

So please stop pretending you are the only or first person to understand the cost this incident will have for the officer, even assuming he will be legally supported,

And yes, every officer-involved shooting gets investigated. That, in no way, means that there are legitimate reasons to doubt that the shooting was justified.

---

It was posted to someone else. What is with you? You want us to go back find old posts of yours and give you credit for saying something similar? A bit insecure?

Ok, Hey everyone! OldBear said the officer will have to deal with this. Please give it up for Oldbear!!! Kudos!!! You are soooo good!

Feel better?

---

You really will do anything to avoid the point, I see.

YOU pretended only your side cares about the cost of the incident to the officer. My post, and I am sure others if they wanted to pull them up, prove you are once again not telling the truth.

Maybe you should let the adults run with this topic for a while. You're not handling it well.

---

BS and you know it.

There is ALWAYS an investigation into a fatal shooting by Law Enforcement. Yet, you dont want to give it any credence with the trust your eyes BS. (Notice the trust your eyes dont go for Jan 6th, huh?). Someone died at the hand of the Government that needs to be investigated. Didnt know you were such a big fan of Government in our lives. Fan of Federal. oversight and control, right?

Donald has gotten you guys where the Government can kill people and it is wrong to be asking about it?

The investigation will tell all. The FBI has blocked the State from evidence? Why? US DOJ prosecutors (Pam's boys) are resigning over the handling. Why?

Trust your eyes! Yeah, they are showing what they want you to see. Can't believe this Board has gone pro-Fed...

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Sorry now you're claiming the government has hidden all the video that would convince you? No, the truth is even after the investigation you'll still blame Trump while pretending to be a conservative. You're basically telling us that we are all having this discussion on Texags and anyone who says this is Sicem365 will need a judge or jury to tell you otherwise.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Without standing the case would be dismissed. We're not debating the merits of the evidence but rather its existence. To say there's no evidence is a lie.

Furthermore, the ability to weigh evidence depends on due process. To the extent that ICE or other agencies abandon due process, they lose the benefit of the doubt.

---

Nope. Still not evidence of your claims. Try again.

---

I've made my point. And for someone calling out lies, you post a lot of them.

---

1. Telling that you get bitter when someone points out errors in your logic.

2. You still have no evidence, Sam.

---

When will the IG investigation be complete? That will determine if it was justified, this is pure speculation. The Agent on Admin Leave after the shooting deserves an adjudication.

They IG is investigating and the Agent that used his firearm is on Admin Leave, correct?.

---

So we are back to "Don't trust your own lying eyes..."?

---

No, back to SOP for EVERY law enforcement Agency in the US. After a fatal shooting, an investigation occurs and the agent on Admin Leave, talks to a Psychologist and is cleared to go back on the street. It is for their protection as much as the public. Killing someone is a big deal and traumatic. You guys act like it is Call of Duty, but that Agents life changed, that Family's future changed and the other Agents are part of it. It will come back being part and seeing that *****

---

I wrote this a week ago in this thread

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/157777/replies/4439303

"I mentioned yesterday, the officer has to carry this with him the rest of his life. This was a split-second decision with genuine danger to the officer, not some video game. End of the day, you either accept the guy had to make a fatal decision in a moment against someone who had already demonstrated aggression and was a threat to him, or you pretend you, with no training, no exposure to the situation, and with a subjective interpretation of video are qualified to trash the guy who had to do the job."

So please stop pretending you are the only or first person to understand the cost this incident will have for the officer, even assuming he will be legally supported,

And yes, every officer-involved shooting gets investigated. That, in no way, means that there are legitimate reasons to doubt that the shooting was justified.

---

It was posted to someone else. What is with you? You want us to go back find old posts of yours and give you credit for saying something similar? A bit insecure?

Ok, Hey everyone! OldBear said the officer will have to deal with this. Please give it up for Oldbear!!! Kudos!!! You are soooo good!

Feel better?

---

You really will do anything to avoid the point, I see.

YOU pretended only your side cares about the cost of the incident to the officer. My post, and I am sure others if they wanted to pull them up, prove you are once again not telling the truth.

Maybe you should let the adults run with this topic for a while. You're not handling it well.

---

BS and you know it.

There is ALWAYS an investigation into a fatal shooting by Law Enforcement. Yet, you dont want to give it any credence with the trust your eyes BS. (Notice the trust your eyes dont go for Jan 6th, huh?). Someone died at the hand of the Government that needs to be investigated. Didnt know you were such a big fan of Government in our lives. Fan of Federal. oversight and control, right?

Donald has gotten you guys where the Government can kill people and it is wrong to be asking about it?

The investigation will tell all. The FBI has blocked the State from evidence? Why? US DOJ prosecutors (Pam's boys) are resigning over the handling. Why?

Trust your eyes! Yeah, they are showing what they want you to see. Can't believe this Board has gone pro-Fed...

---

Sorry now you're claiming the government has hidden all the video that would convince you? No, the truth is even after the investigation you'll still blame Trump while pretending to be a conservative. You're basically telling us that we are all having this discussion on Texags and anyone who says this is Sicem365 will need a judge or jury to tell you otherwise.

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A Government Agency killed a lady. A US citizen. And you are more concerned with my question on why evidence isn't being shared? Not why lethal force was used? They could have let her go and picked her up later. Why did he put himself in front of the vehicle? If it is a weapon, do you step in front of a gun?
Why is the evidence not being shared with locals, that is commonplace.
Why the resignations?
A bruise is internal bleeding?

All this and that is your concern out of this?

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Wangchung said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Without standing the case would be dismissed. We're not debating the merits of the evidence but rather its existence. To say there's no evidence is a lie.

Furthermore, the ability to weigh evidence depends on due process. To the extent that ICE or other agencies abandon due process, they lose the benefit of the doubt.

---

Nope. Still not evidence of your claims. Try again.

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I've made my point. And for someone calling out lies, you post a lot of them.

---

1. Telling that you get bitter when someone points out errors in your logic.

2. You still have no evidence, Sam.

---

When will the IG investigation be complete? That will determine if it was justified, this is pure speculation. The Agent on Admin Leave after the shooting deserves an adjudication.

They IG is investigating and the Agent that used his firearm is on Admin Leave, correct?.

---

So we are back to "Don't trust your own lying eyes..."?

---

No, back to SOP for EVERY law enforcement Agency in the US. After a fatal shooting, an investigation occurs and the agent on Admin Leave, talks to a Psychologist and is cleared to go back on the street. It is for their protection as much as the public. Killing someone is a big deal and traumatic. You guys act like it is Call of Duty, but that Agents life changed, that Family's future changed and the other Agents are part of it. It will come back being part and seeing that *****

---

But WE, the OBSERVERS of the evidence, CAN make determinations as to what happened without waiting for an investigation. Since we all saw the same videos, it boils down to who is honest and who is a liar. It's very simple, just like with the Kyle Rittenhouse case.

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Not really. People can look at the videos and draw different conclusions while still being honest.

But you are very much spot on that a fatal shooting like this is highly traumatic for all involved.

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Sorry, but unless someone has eye problems, anyone who has seen the videos and is honest will admit she hit the agent with her vehicle after looking directly at him through her windshield. There is no debate or subjective view here. It's on video.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Without standing the case would be dismissed. We're not debating the merits of the evidence but rather its existence. To say there's no evidence is a lie.

Furthermore, the ability to weigh evidence depends on due process. To the extent that ICE or other agencies abandon due process, they lose the benefit of the doubt.

---

Nope. Still not evidence of your claims. Try again.

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I've made my point. And for someone calling out lies, you post a lot of them.

---

1. Telling that you get bitter when someone points out errors in your logic.

2. You still have no evidence, Sam.

---

When will the IG investigation be complete? That will determine if it was justified, this is pure speculation. The Agent on Admin Leave after the shooting deserves an adjudication.

They IG is investigating and the Agent that used his firearm is on Admin Leave, correct?.

---

So we are back to "Don't trust your own lying eyes..."?

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No, back to SOP for EVERY law enforcement Agency in the US. After a fatal shooting, an investigation occurs and the agent on Admin Leave, talks to a Psychologist and is cleared to go back on the street. It is for their protection as much as the public. Killing someone is a big deal and traumatic. You guys act like it is Call of Duty, but that Agents life changed, that Family's future changed and the other Agents are part of it. It will come back being part and seeing that *****

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But WE, the OBSERVERS of the evidence, CAN make determinations as to what happened without waiting for an investigation. Since we all saw the same videos, it boils down to who is honest and who is a liar. It's very simple, just like with the Kyle Rittenhouse case.

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Not really. People can look at the videos and draw different conclusions while still being honest.

But you are very much spot on that a fatal shooting like this is highly traumatic for all involved.

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Sorry, but unless someone has eye problems, anyone who has seen the videos and is honest will admit she hit the agent with her vehicle after looking directly at him through her windshield. There is no debate or subjective view here. It's on video.

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Far from absolutely the truth.

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BUDOS said:

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"Perhaps a contributing factor to the ICE shootings is what this reporter discovered when it appears she went through a 6 minute interview before sending her an acceptance letter. Apparently they didn't even check her out on the internet, much less a background check. If so, then we can expect more, and increase the odds Trump will resort to the Insurrection Act. Let's hope not nor that his declarations increase, as declaring martial law would prevent elections. I doubt that will happen, but I don't put it past his obvious narcissistic authoritarianism.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2026/01/ice-recruitment-minneapolis-shooting.html
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Oldbear83 1:25p
In reply to BUDOS
Maybe choose a more trustworthy source than Slate?

Oldbear I agree, which is why I worded my statement the way I did. Both the far left and far right media have their own agenda and biases. However, now that it's pretty common knowledge that those recently hired ICE dudes only get 47 days of training, this article caught my attention. If true it certainly matches some of the incidents on television, and I am not discounting the improper &/or unlawful conduct of the masses.

The lack of training is inexcusable, and if the article is true then it is almost criminal, and certainly not what we should accept from our government.

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surprise, surprise, surprise......

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The three men arrested for ambushing an ICE agent in Minneapolis on Wednesday have all been identified as illegal immigrants from Venezuela who were let into the country under the Biden administration, officials said Thursday, calling the attack an "attempted murder" of federal law enforcement officers.

The Department of Homeland Security said the suspects Julio Cesar Sosa-Celis, Alfredo Alejandro Ajorna and Gabriel Alejandro Hernandez-Ledzema were all in the country illegally, and are now in ICE custody.
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Even Mayor Frey of Minneapolis doesn’t support abolishing ICE.

The party must resist the destructive tendencies to push extreme positions.

Secure the border.

Deport all the criminals.

Stop targeting the hardworking migrants in our nation. pic.twitter.com/QbLyEGBtJ2

— U.S. Senator John Fetterman (@SenFettermanPA) January 15, 2026

boognish_bear said:

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Even Mayor Frey of Minneapolis doesn’t support abolishing ICE.

The party must resist the destructive tendencies to push extreme positions.

Secure the border.

Deport all the criminals.

Stop targeting the hardworking migrants in our nation. pic.twitter.com/QbLyEGBtJ2

— U.S. Senator John Fetterman (@SenFettermanPA) January 15, 2026

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Without standing the case would be dismissed. We're not debating the merits of the evidence but rather its existence. To say there's no evidence is a lie.

Furthermore, the ability to weigh evidence depends on due process. To the extent that ICE or other agencies abandon due process, they lose the benefit of the doubt.

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Nope. Still not evidence of your claims. Try again.

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I've made my point. And for someone calling out lies, you post a lot of them.

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1. Telling that you get bitter when someone points out errors in your logic.

2. You still have no evidence, Sam.

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When will the IG investigation be complete? That will determine if it was justified, this is pure speculation. The Agent on Admin Leave after the shooting deserves an adjudication.

They IG is investigating and the Agent that used his firearm is on Admin Leave, correct?.

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So we are back to "Don't trust your own lying eyes..."?

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No, back to SOP for EVERY law enforcement Agency in the US. After a fatal shooting, an investigation occurs and the agent on Admin Leave, talks to a Psychologist and is cleared to go back on the street. It is for their protection as much as the public. Killing someone is a big deal and traumatic. You guys act like it is Call of Duty, but that Agents life changed, that Family's future changed and the other Agents are part of it. It will come back being part and seeing that *****

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I wrote this a week ago in this thread

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/157777/replies/4439303

"I mentioned yesterday, the officer has to carry this with him the rest of his life. This was a split-second decision with genuine danger to the officer, not some video game. End of the day, you either accept the guy had to make a fatal decision in a moment against someone who had already demonstrated aggression and was a threat to him, or you pretend you, with no training, no exposure to the situation, and with a subjective interpretation of video are qualified to trash the guy who had to do the job."

So please stop pretending you are the only or first person to understand the cost this incident will have for the officer, even assuming he will be legally supported,

And yes, every officer-involved shooting gets investigated. That, in no way, means that there are legitimate reasons to doubt that the shooting was justified.

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It was posted to someone else. What is with you? You want us to go back find old posts of yours and give you credit for saying something similar? A bit insecure?

Ok, Hey everyone! OldBear said the officer will have to deal with this. Please give it up for Oldbear!!! Kudos!!! You are soooo good!

Feel better?

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You really will do anything to avoid the point, I see.

YOU pretended only your side cares about the cost of the incident to the officer. My post, and I am sure others if they wanted to pull them up, prove you are once again not telling the truth.

Maybe you should let the adults run with this topic for a while. You're not handling it well.

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BS and you know it.

There is ALWAYS an investigation into a fatal shooting by Law Enforcement. Yet, you dont want to give it any credence with the trust your eyes BS. (Notice the trust your eyes dont go for Jan 6th, huh?). Someone died at the hand of the Government that needs to be investigated. Didnt know you were such a big fan of Government in our lives. Fan of Federal. oversight and control, right?

Donald has gotten you guys where the Government can kill people and it is wrong to be asking about it?

The investigation will tell all. The FBI has blocked the State from evidence? Why? US DOJ prosecutors (Pam's boys) are resigning over the handling. Why?

Trust your eyes! Yeah, they are showing what they want you to see. Can't believe this Board has gone pro-Fed...

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Sorry now you're claiming the government has hidden all the video that would convince you? No, the truth is even after the investigation you'll still blame Trump while pretending to be a conservative. You're basically telling us that we are all having this discussion on Texags and anyone who says this is Sicem365 will need a judge or jury to tell you otherwise.

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A Government Agency killed a lady. A US citizen. And you are more concerned with my question on why evidence isn't being shared? Not why lethal force was used? They could have let her go and picked her up later. Why did he put himself in front of the vehicle? If it is a weapon, do you step in front of a gun?
Why is the evidence not being shared with locals, that is commonplace.
Why the resignations?
A bruise is internal bleeding?

All this and that is your concern out of this?

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Not blaming the cops. If you are referring to the recent shooting of the woman, I am not saying that the cop was guilty nor innocent. Too many people on both sides have already decided before all the facts are presented. I do believe that if the training and hiring practices are as stated that those could be contributing factors to the situation we have. I'm not as stupid as some of the others would want me to be. I do wonder how many of the professional agitators there are and especially how much China, Russia and whoever is involved.
However, after January 7th, I admittedly don't rule out just how far this savvy, narcissistic authoritarian will go.

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BUDOS said:

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" Only an idiot would allow another person to run them over. It doesn't take training to grasp that fact."

Not arguing the point. However, it appears you may have. Sometimes we seem to be more interested in making demeaning comments in attempts to draw blood and/or cater to our individual audience than making meaningful contributions to the discussion.
I should know, as I have my own shallow moments.

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BUDOS said:

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"Perhaps a contributing factor to the ICE shootings is what this reporter discovered when it appears she went through a 6 minute interview before sending her an acceptance letter. Apparently they didn't even check her out on the internet, much less a background check. If so, then we can expect more, and increase the odds Trump will resort to the Insurrection Act. Let's hope not nor that his declarations increase, as declaring martial law would prevent elections. I doubt that will happen, but I don't put it past his obvious narcissistic authoritarianism.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2026/01/ice-recruitment-minneapolis-shooting.html
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Oldbear83 1:25p
In reply to BUDOS
Maybe choose a more trustworthy source than Slate?

Oldbear I agree, which is why I worded my statement the way I did. Both the far left and far right media have their own agenda and biases. However, now that it's pretty common knowledge that those recently hired ICE dudes only get 47 days of training, this article caught my attention. If true it certainly matches some of the incidents on television, and I am not discounting the improper &/or unlawful conduct of the masses.

The lack of training is inexcusable, and if the article is true then it is almost criminal, and certainly not what we should accept from our government.

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Rolling out the elite federal prison guards is a sign that the DOJ is taking this seriously. During the BLM weirdness (I think the Milley was in the early stages of a coup plot) they replaced the military guards around the White House with these guys, short circuiting any plans https://t.co/8YvL2gzxjR

— Mystery Grove Movie List Co. (@MysteryGrove) January 15, 2026

🚨 BREAKING: Democrat Sen. John Fetterman comes out in FULL SUPPORT of ICE’s deployments nationwide

“Round up ALL the criminals! DEPORT THEM! They definitely have to go!”

Don’t let liberals fool you: this is the MAJORITY opinion in America!
pic.twitter.com/BocF3UaPn5

— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) January 14, 2026

Honestly one of the most exciting jobs for a young man in America today is immigration enforcement. $170 billion in federal funding, ten thousand new recruits, the opportunity to venture deep into enemy territory to grab foreign invaders. https://t.co/dQxeuhZBZY

— RAW EGG NATIONALIST (@Babygravy9) January 15, 2026

boognish_bear said:

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Even Mayor Frey of Minneapolis doesn’t support abolishing ICE.

The party must resist the destructive tendencies to push extreme positions.

Secure the border.

Deport all the criminals.

Stop targeting the hardworking migrants in our nation. pic.twitter.com/QbLyEGBtJ2

— U.S. Senator John Fetterman (@SenFettermanPA) January 15, 2026

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Oldbear83 said:

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That post was a complete pack of lies.

But you got the rant out, so in your world that's a good post, I guess.

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No, it is not a complete pack of lies, your eyes have been blinded to truth in this incident.

You are the one seeing what you want to see.


I'm not going to be lock step with Trump, Noem and their cronies. There is no truth in their words.
America deserves better.

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My friend no president ever batted 1000%

And the only alternative was Harris.

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