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George Will 2018 speaking of illegals
"Fifty-eight percent of the more than 11 million down from 12.2 million in 2007 who are here illegally have been here at least 10 years; 31 percent are homeowners; 33 percent have children who, having been born here, are citizens. The nation would recoil from the police measures that would be necessary to extract these people from the communities into the fabric of which their lives are woven. They are not going home; they are home."

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"illegal immigrant-headed households use far more welfare than US-born households

Thus, they're dependent on states that fund welfare w/out regard to citizenship"






And let's not even get into the legal immigrants. Some of who are great…but not all

Studies show that only the top 10% of legal immigrants become net tax contributors.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/6278wU0IJS

— AF Post (@AFpost) November 25, 2025

Waco1947 said:

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George Will 2018 speaking of illegals
"Fifty-eight percent of the more than 11 million down from 12.2 million in 2007 who are here illegally have been here at least 10 years; 31 percent are homeowners; 33 percent have children who, having been born here, are citizens. The nation would recoil from the police measures that would be necessary to extract these people from the communities into the fabric of which their lives are woven. They are not going home; they are home."

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Crazy just a couple years before George Will was calling for and end to birth right citizenship

It's almost like he has no real principles at all…

-Mark Krikorian on March 29, 2010-

George Will has never been particularly good on immigration, so I was a little surprised by his column calling for an end to automatic citizenship at birth (specifically, for the U.S.-born children of illegal aliens).

There are three issues: legal, empirical, and political. The first is the easiest there just is no way to argue with a straight face that the drafters of the 14th amendment intended to give citizenship to the children of illegal aliens (Will persuasively cites this law review article by Lino Graglia). In fact, the amendment probably wasn't meant to apply even to U.S.-born children of legal immigrants who hadn't yet become citizens, though the Supreme Court decided otherwise in the 1898 Wong Kim Ark decision.

Second is the empirical question. George Will writes:

A simple reform would drain some steam from immigration arguments that may soon again be at a boil. It would bring the interpretation of the 14th Amendment into conformity with what the authors of its text intended, and with common sense, thereby removing an incentive for illegal immigration…

A parent from a poor country, writes professor Lino Graglia of the University of Texas law school, "can hardly do more for a child than make him or her an American citizen, entitled to all the advantages of the American welfare state." Therefore, "It is difficult to imagine a more irrational and self-defeating legal system than one which makes unauthorized entry into this country a criminal offense and simultaneously provides perhaps the greatest possible inducement to illegal entry." [my emphasis -- MK]


https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/lifestyles/philosophy/george-will-kids-non-citizens-have-right-citizenship/m694LrTtx2UFBUe8umSCAJ/

Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA), on @billmaher “Real Time” tonight: “The polls tell me that the president’s [immigration] enforcement efforts are polling right up there with toenail fungus. I get it.”

— Josh Kraushaar (@JoshKraushaar) January 24, 2026

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An Army veteran and Purple Heart recipient says that he was tackled and arrested by ICE agents in Minneapolis and held in a cell for eight hours without being allowed to contact an attorney or his family. https://t.co/GpWSGe9Uvl pic.twitter.com/9HZ3D2NbLS

— ABC News (@ABC) January 23, 2026

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That moron probably shouldn't have attacked a law enforcement officer, huh?

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Where does it say that he did that?

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In the article linked and in multiple articles that come up when searching this story.

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"Attacked"??? That's quite a stretch.

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You'll have to talk to the arresting officers. That's what has been reported within every article about this guy. He was out trying to stop law enforcement from doing their jobs and attacked a federal agent. Do you have some evidence that proves the agents are lying?

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For those who are still confused.......

ICE is only enforcing EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAWS.

Laws that OBAMA enforced just as much, if not more.

A significant number of these arrests involve individuals with FELONY arrests and / or convictions.

Why in the world would ANYONE object to the removal of such individuals ?

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TDS

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An Army veteran and Purple Heart recipient says that he was tackled and arrested by ICE agents in Minneapolis and held in a cell for eight hours without being allowed to contact an attorney or his family. https://t.co/GpWSGe9Uvl pic.twitter.com/9HZ3D2NbLS

— ABC News (@ABC) January 23, 2026

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That moron probably shouldn't have attacked a law enforcement officer, huh?

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Where does it say that he did that?

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In the article linked and in multiple articles that come up when searching this story.

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"Attacked"??? That's quite a stretch.

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You'll have to talk to the arresting officers. That's what has been reported within every article about this guy. He was out trying to stop law enforcement from doing their jobs and attacked a federal agent. Do you have some evidence that proves the agents are lying?

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For those who are still confused.......

ICE is only enforcing EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAWS.

Laws that OBAMA enforced just as much, if not more.

A significant number of these arrests involve individuals with FELONY arrests and / or convictions.

Why in the world would ANYONE object to the removal of such individuals ?

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They are perhaps enforcing them with more vigor than at some previous times, but the main difference is that Trump is president. This insanity that immigration and customs enforcement is the equivalent of Nazi brown shirts and should, therefore, be met physically in the streets, is about protecting Democrats, not protecting democracy.

There are still trade offs because there is an error rate for everything and there will inevitably be some who are detained who should not be detained. Anytime you have increased law enforcement activity you will have some failures.

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An Army veteran and Purple Heart recipient says that he was tackled and arrested by ICE agents in Minneapolis and held in a cell for eight hours without being allowed to contact an attorney or his family. https://t.co/GpWSGe9Uvl pic.twitter.com/9HZ3D2NbLS

— ABC News (@ABC) January 23, 2026

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That moron probably shouldn't have attacked a law enforcement officer, huh?

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Where does it say that he did that?

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In the article linked and in multiple articles that come up when searching this story.

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Here's DHS twisting the argument. "Make no mistake, these types of lies are contributing to the over 1300% increase in assaults on the men and women of ICE who put their lives on the line every day to arrest violent criminal illegal aliens to protect and defend the lives of American citizens."

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An Army veteran and Purple Heart recipient says that he was tackled and arrested by ICE agents in Minneapolis and held in a cell for eight hours without being allowed to contact an attorney or his family. https://t.co/GpWSGe9Uvl pic.twitter.com/9HZ3D2NbLS

— ABC News (@ABC) January 23, 2026

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That moron probably shouldn't have attacked a law enforcement officer, huh?

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Where does it say that he did that?

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In the article linked and in multiple articles that come up when searching this story.

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"Attacked"??? That's quite a stretch.

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You'll have to talk to the arresting officers. That's what has been reported within every article about this guy. He was out trying to stop law enforcement from doing their jobs and attacked a federal agent. Do you have some evidence that proves the agents are lying?

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For those who are still confused.......

ICE is only enforcing EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAWS.

Laws that OBAMA enforced just as much, if not more.

A significant number of these arrests involve individuals with FELONY arrests and / or convictions.

Why in the world would ANYONE object to the removal of such individuals ?

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They are perhaps enforcing them with more vigor than at some previous times, but the main difference is that Trump is president. This insanity that immigration and customs enforcement is the equivalent of Nazi brown shirts and should, therefore, be met physically in the streets, is about protecting Democrats, not protecting democracy.

There are still trade offs because there is an error rate for everything and there will inevitably be some who are detained who should not be detained. Anytime you have increased law enforcement activity you will have some failures.

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100% agree with you

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An Army veteran and Purple Heart recipient says that he was tackled and arrested by ICE agents in Minneapolis and held in a cell for eight hours without being allowed to contact an attorney or his family. https://t.co/GpWSGe9Uvl pic.twitter.com/9HZ3D2NbLS

— ABC News (@ABC) January 23, 2026

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That moron probably shouldn't have attacked a law enforcement officer, huh?

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Where does it say that he did that?

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In the article linked and in multiple articles that come up when searching this story.

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Here's DHS twisting the argument. "Make no mistake, these types of lies are contributing to the over 1300% increase in assaults on the men and women of ICE who put their lives on the line every day to arrest violent criminal illegal aliens to protect and defend the lives of American citizens."

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Twisting what argument? About the soldier thrown to the ground. DHS tried to call im a liar in twisted language
It is likely that the people who are threatening and harassing and assaulting officers do so in part because they believe those lies.

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Waco1947 said:

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George Will 2018 speaking of illegals
"Fifty-eight percent of the more than 11 million down from 12.2 million in 2007 who are here illegally have been here at least 10 years; 31 percent are homeowners; 33 percent have children who, having been born here, are citizens. The nation would recoil from the police measures that would be necessary to extract these people from the communities into the fabric of which their lives are woven. They are not going home; they are home."

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and since he said that, Biden admin RELEASED 10m of them into the country on parole awaiting refugee status petitions. That's just the ones we know of.

That 11m number is closer to 30m, the majority of them very recent arrivals. What is your proof?

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An Army veteran and Purple Heart recipient says that he was tackled and arrested by ICE agents in Minneapolis and held in a cell for eight hours without being allowed to contact an attorney or his family. https://t.co/GpWSGe9Uvl pic.twitter.com/9HZ3D2NbLS

— ABC News (@ABC) January 23, 2026

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That moron probably shouldn't have attacked a law enforcement officer, huh?

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Where does it say that he did that?

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In the article linked and in multiple articles that come up when searching this story.

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Here's DHS twisting the argument. "Make no mistake, these types of lies are contributing to the over 1300% increase in assaults on the men and women of ICE who put their lives on the line every day to arrest violent criminal illegal aliens to protect and defend the lives of American citizens."

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Twisting what argument? About the soldier thrown to the ground. DHS tried to call im a liar in twisted language
It is likely that the people who are threatening and harassing and assaulting officers do so in part because they believe those lies.

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Actual journalists reported that it was not clear from videos exactly what happened, so it may well be that you are trying to call DHS liars with twisted language. In any event, the man was arrested legally and he was released within a reasonable timeframe. This is a non-story, not an example of Nazis in action as your ilk want it to be.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/ice-minneapolis-shooting-01-24-26

Looks like we have another one.

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George Will 2018 speaking of illegals
"Fifty-eight percent of the more than 11 million down from 12.2 million in 2007 who are here illegally have been here at least 10 years; 31 percent are homeowners; 33 percent have children who, having been born here, are citizens. The nation would recoil from the police measures that would be necessary to extract these people from the communities into the fabric of which their lives are woven. They are not going home; they are home."

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and since he said that, Biden admin RELEASED 10m of them into the country on parole awaiting refugee status petitions. That's just the ones we know of.

That 11m number is closer to 30m, the majority of them very recent arrivals. What is your proof?

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There's hard data. And there's common sense. People have been quoting the 11m number since the Clinton admin, and at no time did illegal immigration ever stop 6-digit numbers per month for decades. Then there's the Yale Univ study which confirms with common sense - that the 11m number has been preposterously low for a very long time, since at least the Bush Admin.
https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/snapshots-of-migrants-in-mexico-suggest-us-undocumented-population-is-much-larger-than

Then there's the hard data of the 10m Biden admin RELEASED on parole into the country. To that one must add some kind of 7-digit number for "gotaways" (spotted but lost) and unknown (the ones that crossed undetected).

But you open borders arseholes will never think seriously about the issue, because you want and need them here to destabilize existing order to more easily facilitate change. Well Surprise, Surprise….you are not happy with the change we're getting. That is progress for the American People.

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https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/ice-minneapolis-shooting-01-24-26

Looks like we have another one.

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Yea, he is dead.

Shot 5 times.

Dude approached federal officers with his 9mm.

Of course some folks ( not you Forrest ) would have been thrilled if the numbskull had killed one of the officers instead.

They had already taken his gun, and were beating him, when one of them pulled a gun and executed him, from what is being reported. If true, it's a big mistake.

untrue. Stop spreading fake news. My goodness

I think the guy in the pink jacket has some good video of it.

Did the guy in the grey coming to the camera take the victim's gun before the shot..

BREAKING - A man has been shot and killed by Border Patrol in Minneapolis after preliminary reports suggest he attempted to pull a weapon on agents while they were detaining him. pic.twitter.com/0izfIQhfzP

— Right Angle News Network (@Rightanglenews) January 24, 2026

I was able to see a very up-close video of the incident.

About 8 to 10 guys had him on the ground, they seemed to be tired of dealing with him.
One officer was pistol whipping him. I did not see him pull any kind of weapon on anybody,
but I cannot say what all went on.

I do not trust our current Federal Authorities to tell the truth about the incident as they have people
in place who lie with impunity without even a thought about it. Of course, the left also have people in place who lie with impunity. Our current political landscape is horrid with both sides lying without even a cursory thought about lying for "their" cause.

I do not doubt he had a 9mm, but I saw an earlier video when he was confronting officers with his phone.
No doubt he was belligerent.

That said I certainly didn't see him pull a weapon on them. And at this point I do not trust them to tell the truth about it.

At 9:05 AM CT, as DHS law enforcement officers were conducting a targeted operation in Minneapolis against an illegal alien wanted for violent assault, an individual approached US Border Patrol officers with a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun, seen here. 

The officers attempted to… pic.twitter.com/5Y50mYONGH

— Homeland Security (@DHSgov) January 24, 2026

Scattershooting while remembering in 2008, conservatives telling us to arm yourself to prevent what is happening now from happening.

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Scattershooting while remembering in 2008, conservatives telling us to arm yourself to prevent what is happening now from happening.

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No fear whatsoever.

Left my 9mm at the house and my F-150 in the airport parking lot.

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They had already taken his gun, and were beating him, when one of them pulled a gun and executed him, from what is being reported. If true, it's a big mistake.

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I don't want to be called a lib, but I always look for truth, not propaganda. The Trump administration will forward propaganda in this incident. They always do.

Saw the video from the pink ladies point of view and another closer point of view. I don't doubt the dude was carrying he was, but if you watch closely, a guy came up behind him and ripped a gun out of the guys waist/belt and ran away from the brawl moments before the dude was shot.

I can also say this, he did not brandish a weapon or when on the ground getting the hell beat out of him had no way to get to the weapon.

He also was legally carrying which has been reported by multiple Minnesota News agencies.
My son also carries and if he does will have a couple of loaded mags in his belt.

At some point folks on the right might wake up and understand the administration right now ain't right.

The biggest thing I can see here is they again are not allowing locals to investigate the shooting. Real professional need to investigate this, not the administration saying we have this and we will determine the truth.

But, I can see what you are saying about him being disarmed, it appears that one of the officers pulled a gun from him and fled right before the shots were fired.

Also, they say he approached officers with a 9mm. One of the very up close videos showed him directing traffic and then just to his left officers were throwing down a woman the man came up got down and was shielding her from getting beat. They then ripped him off of her, started beating the hell out of him, some other officer ripped something out of his belt and ran away as then about 6-8 rounds were unloaded into him.

Their narrative is bull*****

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They had already taken his gun, and were beating him, when one of them pulled a gun and executed him, from what is being reported. If true, it's a big mistake.

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I don't want to be called a lib, but I always look for truth, not propaganda. The Trump administration will forward propaganda in this incident. They always do.

Saw the video from the pink ladies point of view and another closer point of view. I don't doubt the dude was carrying he was, but if you watch closely, a guy came up behind him and ripped a gun out of the guys waist/belt and ran away from the brawl moments before the dude was shot.

I can also say this, he did not brandish a weapon or when on the ground getting the hell beat out of him had no way to get to the weapon.

He also was legally carrying which has been reported by multiple Minnesota News agencies.
My son also carries and if he does will have a couple of loaded mags in his belt.

At some point folks on the right might wake up and understand the administration right now ain't right.

The biggest thing I can see here is they again are not allowing locals to investigate the shooting. Real professional need to investigate this, not the administration saying we have this and we will determine the truth.

But, I can see what you are saying about him being disarmed, it appears that one of the officers pulled a gun from him and fled right before the shots were fired.

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Whether this was a "bad shoot" or not isn't something that can be determined without a thorough investigation, but there are people in places of responsibility offering contradictory conclusions before any investigation has happened.

Who is the "real professional" that should investigate?

D. C. Bear said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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They had already taken his gun, and were beating him, when one of them pulled a gun and executed him, from what is being reported. If true, it's a big mistake.

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I don't want to be called a lib, but I always look for truth, not propaganda. The Trump administration will forward propaganda in this incident. They always do.

Saw the video from the pink ladies point of view and another closer point of view. I don't doubt the dude was carrying he was, but if you watch closely, a guy came up behind him and ripped a gun out of the guys waist/belt and ran away from the brawl moments before the dude was shot.

I can also say this, he did not brandish a weapon or when on the ground getting the hell beat out of him had no way to get to the weapon.

He also was legally carrying which has been reported by multiple Minnesota News agencies.
My son also carries and if he does will have a couple of loaded mags in his belt.

At some point folks on the right might wake up and understand the administration right now ain't right.

The biggest thing I can see here is they again are not allowing locals to investigate the shooting. Real professional need to investigate this, not the administration saying we have this and we will determine the truth.

But, I can see what you are saying about him being disarmed, it appears that one of the officers pulled a gun from him and fled right before the shots were fired.

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Whether this was a "bad shoot" or not isn't something that can be determined without a thorough investigation, but there are people in places of responsibility offering contradictory conclusions before any investigation has happened.

Who is the "real professional" that should investigate?

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Since this was on the ground in Minnesota the Minnesota Judicial System should lead in the investigation. A Minnesota citizen was killed.

Again, no doubt the guy was legally carrying. So do a lot of people. Everywhere they go. I saw what I saw, up close. I do not like the narrative. It is made up.

Ice has a real purpose; they need to reevaluate the way they are doing what they do on the ground in American cities. Keeping the border secure is #1 priority. They are doing a great job there. With basically net zero people crossing the border.

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You do not need your gun for a "peaceful protest".

Much less additional ammunition.

The Left, and judging by your last few posts that certainly does include you, FB3, can't deal with facts, so they/you make up lies that you imagine will change the facts.

What is needed is for the agitators to stop putting their own lives at risk by these dangerous behaviors.

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really??