Minneapolis ICE shooting

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The_barBEARian
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ATL Bear
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Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.
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ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.




They need to bring this ****** in dead or alive first.
Sam Lowry
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ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.

I'm pretty sure the big picture has been assessed. You can't invoke the Insurrection Act without breaking a few eggs, as the saying goes.
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Realitybites
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ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.


What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota. You *never* stand down in the face of a communist insurrection. You go full Franco. If you don't, welcome to Russia 1917.

Yesterday these cretins tried taking over the airport.
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The_barBEARian said:

Sam Lowry said:

The_barBEARian said:

Sam Lowry said:

The_barBEARian said:

Jack Bauer said:

The_barBEARian said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is the level we are setting to justify this shooting, then we need to ban concealed carry.


Was this a cousin or something?

Why do you care about some mouth-breather who got aired out defending Somali criminals and terrorists?

He gets my nomination for the Darwin Award but the year is still young.....

An American citizen who did not deserve this...


This is the future that "American citizen" was fighting for....

You don't know what, if anything, he was fighting for. All we know is that he was exercising his right to document the events. To condemn him on that basis is un-American.


You dont define what is or isnt American.



You're right. So don't blame the messenger.


Sam, I recommend you not provoke ICE while they are doing their lawful duty of arresting criminal invaders.

The tolerance level for your domestic terrorism is very low at the moment.
"Don't provoke ICE agents. They're too stupid and volatile to be held responsible for their actions if you do."

Got it. Glad we're justifying a bunch of rabid dogs in our streets posing as law enforcement.
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Mitch Henessey said:

The_barBEARian said:

Sam Lowry said:

The_barBEARian said:

Sam Lowry said:

The_barBEARian said:

Jack Bauer said:

The_barBEARian said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is the level we are setting to justify this shooting, then we need to ban concealed carry.


Was this a cousin or something?

Why do you care about some mouth-breather who got aired out defending Somali criminals and terrorists?

He gets my nomination for the Darwin Award but the year is still young.....

An American citizen who did not deserve this...


This is the future that "American citizen" was fighting for....

You don't know what, if anything, he was fighting for. All we know is that he was exercising his right to document the events. To condemn him on that basis is un-American.


You dont define what is or isnt American.



You're right. So don't blame the messenger.


Sam, I recommend you not provoke ICE while they are doing their lawful duty of arresting criminal invaders.

The tolerance level for your domestic terrorism is very low at the moment.
"Don't provoke ICE agents. They're too stupid and volatile to be held responsible for their actions if you do."

Got it. Glad we're justifying a bunch of rabid dogs in our streets posing as law enforcement.


Really think it's a percentage move to enter into a physical altercation with ANY member of law enforcement while armed with a loaded 9mm ?

Mitch Henessey
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303Bear said:

The_barBEARian said:

"He didn't bring his concealed carry permit or ID (it is illegal to carry in MN without both)."




Translation: person brought legal and widely available civilian model of a handgun that the military also uses and an extra magazine out in public. He may have forgotten a piece of required identification (which is a state law matter and had 0 influence on the state vents that took place - but is a convenient post hoc gotcha I guess). He never displayed or used his legal handgun but was shot multiple times and killed for the simple reason of questioning the authority of ICE.

Bow down to your federal overlords or risk a similar fate.

Did is get that right?
barBEARian seems to think that posting Russian bot tweets serves as a coherent argument. I suggest we carry on a discussion that does not involve the inflammatory things he/she/they post.
Sam Lowry
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Realitybites said:

ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.


What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota.

Nah. It's just plain old American protest.
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The WSJ, which is a notably right-leaning publication (at least, right-leaning in the classical sense, before the MAGA lunatics pushed the entire meaning of "right" into dangerous extremism territory), posted a frame-by-frame breakdown of the events that directly contradicts the government's narrative.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/videos-contradict-u-s-account-of-minneapolis-shooting-by-federal-agents-fbe1e488
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ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.

That's good advice for the protesters to take.
That's good advice for Gov Walz to take.
That's good advice for Mayor Frey.

Trump is not the problem here.
Neither is ICE.

Moderates have an unerring instinct to avoid the most important fights. They only find virtue in attacking their own political base.

Porteroso
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boognish_bear said:



I wonder what the NRA will say about this?
Mothra
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ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.


Nope. Did we learn nothing from BLM?
Porteroso
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Realitybites said:

ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.


What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota. You *never* stand down in the face of a communist insurrection. You go full Franco. If you don't, welcome to Russia 1917.

Yesterday these cretins tried taking over the airport.

This is America. There is no communist insurrection, just people who are protesting the ramped up presence of 1 federal agency.
Mothra
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Sam Lowry said:

Realitybites said:

ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.


What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota.

Nah. It's just plain old American protest.


Blocking streets, hitting ICE agents with cars, throwing objects at them and assaulting them is just plain old American protest? lol.

I guess after BLM, people's acceptance of violent protests are now the norm.
Porteroso
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Realitybites said:

ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.


What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota.

Nah. It's just plain old American protest.


Blocking streets, hitting ICE agents with cars, throwing objects at them and assaulting them is just plain old American protest? lol.

I guess after BLM, people's acceptance of violent protests are now the norm.

Very few of the tens of thousands of protesters are attacking anyone. It's the same story as always.

The majority get blamed for the actions of the ew crazies amongst them.
Mothra
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Sam Lowry said:

Realitybites said:

ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.


What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota.

Nah. It's just plain old American protest.


Apparently things like this aren't happening, eh Sam?

ICE agent's finger bitten off by protestor:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/ice-agents-finger-bit-off-dhs-reveals-suspects-photos-amid-alex-pretti-shooting-row-minneapolis-minnesota-101769293449339-amp.html
whiterock
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Mitch Henessey said:

The_barBEARian said:

Sam Lowry said:

The_barBEARian said:

Sam Lowry said:

The_barBEARian said:

Jack Bauer said:

The_barBEARian said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is the level we are setting to justify this shooting, then we need to ban concealed carry.


Was this a cousin or something?

Why do you care about some mouth-breather who got aired out defending Somali criminals and terrorists?

He gets my nomination for the Darwin Award but the year is still young.....

An American citizen who did not deserve this...


This is the future that "American citizen" was fighting for....

You don't know what, if anything, he was fighting for. All we know is that he was exercising his right to document the events. To condemn him on that basis is un-American.


You dont define what is or isnt American.



You're right. So don't blame the messenger.


Sam, I recommend you not provoke ICE while they are doing their lawful duty of arresting criminal invaders.

The tolerance level for your domestic terrorism is very low at the moment.
"Don't provoke ICE agents. They're too stupid and volatile to be held responsible for their actions if you do."

Got it. Glad we're justifying a bunch of rabid dogs in our streets posing as law enforcement.

How about the protesters leave ICE agents alone & let them to their job executing outstanding deportation orders?

Mothra
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Porteroso said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Realitybites said:

ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.


What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota.

Nah. It's just plain old American protest.


Blocking streets, hitting ICE agents with cars, throwing objects at them and assaulting them is just plain old American protest? lol.

I guess after BLM, people's acceptance of violent protests are now the norm.

Very few of the tens of thousands of protesters are attacking anyone. It's the same story as always.

The majority get blamed for the actions of the ew crazies amongst them.


I remember the media trying to convince us that the BLM protests were mostly peaceful.

Might be but it also resulted in thousands of injuries and the destruction of millions of dollars of property.
Sam Lowry
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Realitybites said:

ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.


What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota.

Nah. It's just plain old American protest.


Apparently things like this aren't happening, eh Sam?

ICE agent's finger bitten off by protestor:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/ice-agents-finger-bit-off-dhs-reveals-suspects-photos-amid-alex-pretti-shooting-row-minneapolis-minnesota-101769293449339-amp.html

That is certainly odd. I don't really see it being weaponized as a protest tactic, though.
Mitch Henessey
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whiterock said:

Mitch Henessey said:

The_barBEARian said:

Sam Lowry said:

The_barBEARian said:

Sam Lowry said:

The_barBEARian said:

Jack Bauer said:

The_barBEARian said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is the level we are setting to justify this shooting, then we need to ban concealed carry.


Was this a cousin or something?

Why do you care about some mouth-breather who got aired out defending Somali criminals and terrorists?

He gets my nomination for the Darwin Award but the year is still young.....

An American citizen who did not deserve this...


This is the future that "American citizen" was fighting for....

You don't know what, if anything, he was fighting for. All we know is that he was exercising his right to document the events. To condemn him on that basis is un-American.


You dont define what is or isnt American.



You're right. So don't blame the messenger.


Sam, I recommend you not provoke ICE while they are doing their lawful duty of arresting criminal invaders.

The tolerance level for your domestic terrorism is very low at the moment.
"Don't provoke ICE agents. They're too stupid and volatile to be held responsible for their actions if you do."

Got it. Glad we're justifying a bunch of rabid dogs in our streets posing as law enforcement.

How about the protesters leave ICE agents alone & let them to their job executing outstanding deportation orders?


Forcibly pushing a woman into a snowbank, pepper spraying her and the guy that tried to step in and calm it down, then shooting that guy after he had been disarmed is executing an outstanding deportation order? These orders are getting wilder and wilder. Not to mention extremely specific.
Mothra
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Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Realitybites said:

ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.


What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota.

Nah. It's just plain old American protest.


Apparently things like this aren't happening, eh Sam?

ICE agent's finger bitten off by protestor:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/ice-agents-finger-bit-off-dhs-reveals-suspects-photos-amid-alex-pretti-shooting-row-minneapolis-minnesota-101769293449339-amp.html

That is certainly odd. I don't really see it being weaponized as a protest tactic, though.


Listen I get it. Researching something that hurts your narrative is not something you want to do voluntarily. You might be surprised if you actually did some research. There's a lot more where that came from.

But if you want to believe this kids of behavior is just a one off, I get it.
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Porteroso said:

Realitybites said:

ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.


What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota. You *never* stand down in the face of a communist insurrection. You go full Franco. If you don't, welcome to Russia 1917.

Yesterday these cretins tried taking over the airport.

This is America. There is no communist insurrection, just people who are protesting the ramped up presence of 1 federal agency.


They are not simply "protesting," they are obstructing law enforcement and putting themselves and officers in unnecessary danger. This is not wise.

In this particular situation there are many people who are suddenly omniscient. They can, from a few frames of video, determine the internal thinking and motives of people they have never spoken with in situations that they have never personally experienced. The officers "executed" a helpless man in the street or the man was shot because he was struggling with officers and was armed. Most people seem to agree that it is bad the man died.
Sam Lowry
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Realitybites said:

ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.


What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota.

Nah. It's just plain old American protest.


Apparently things like this aren't happening, eh Sam?

ICE agent's finger bitten off by protestor:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/ice-agents-finger-bit-off-dhs-reveals-suspects-photos-amid-alex-pretti-shooting-row-minneapolis-minnesota-101769293449339-amp.html

That is certainly odd. I don't really see it being weaponized as a protest tactic, though.


Listen I get it. Researching something that hurts your narrative is not something you want to do voluntarily. You might be surprised if you actually did some research.

Probably just a one off… lol.

I mean, probably. But I'm definitely intrigued at this point. How many more oral assaults to the extremities of federal law enforcement personnel are we talking about?
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Porteroso said:

boognish_bear said:



I wonder what the NRA will say about this?


They are going to say getting involved in a physical altercation with any law enforcement officer while they are in an active operation attempting to apprehend a wanted felon is not a particularly bright idea.

And doing so while armed with a loaded 9mm is Waco47 level stupid.
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Mothra said:

Porteroso said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Realitybites said:

ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.


What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota.

Nah. It's just plain old American protest.


Blocking streets, hitting ICE agents with cars, throwing objects at them and assaulting them is just plain old American protest? lol.

I guess after BLM, people's acceptance of violent protests are now the norm.

Very few of the tens of thousands of protesters are attacking anyone. It's the same story as always.

The majority get blamed for the actions of the ew crazies amongst them.


I remember the media trying to convince us that the BLM protests were mostly peaceful.

Might be but it also resulted in thousands of injuries and the destruction of millions of dollars of property.

This isn't close to that. But it's heading that way. What serves the population best? Taking a step back, or full steam ahead?

This guy did not deserve to die. The majority of America will reach that conclusion if they watch the video.

The only justification would be if the officer that kills him, heard that he was armed, but did not see him being disarmed, and thought he was reaching for a gun. In which case you would think it needs to be standard training to communicate that the gun is secured, like it is for most law enforcement. Now we get into the 37 days thing. The low number of days and apparently, quality of training.

Ultimately where im going, is all of this can be erased by voters. Voters can vote to reopen the border and encourage illegal immigration and disband ICE. At all times the federal government needs to be a little fearful of the populace, and ensure it is really truly serving it.

I do think this shooting was an error, and yet I am not very upset. It was an error more or less forced by the protesters in general, and by this guy in particular, who thought that confronting law enforcement with a gun, and playing hero, was his role for that day. I bet there is some level of mental illness going on.

But regardless, the government does need to reassess. Perception does matter. If tomorrow ICE ramps up even more, and there are 10 "heros" like this guy, armed, trying to protect citizens, how many more errors will there be?
Mothra
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Porteroso said:

Mothra said:

Porteroso said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Realitybites said:

ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.


What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota.

Nah. It's just plain old American protest.


Blocking streets, hitting ICE agents with cars, throwing objects at them and assaulting them is just plain old American protest? lol.

I guess after BLM, people's acceptance of violent protests are now the norm.

Very few of the tens of thousands of protesters are attacking anyone. It's the same story as always.

The majority get blamed for the actions of the ew crazies amongst them.


I remember the media trying to convince us that the BLM protests were mostly peaceful.

Might be but it also resulted in thousands of injuries and the destruction of millions of dollars of property.

This isn't close to that. But it's heading that way. What serves the population best? Taking a step back, or full steam ahead?

This guy did not deserve to die. The majority of America will reach that conclusion if they watch the video.

The only justification would be if the officer that kills him, heard that he was armed, but did not see him being disarmed, and thought he was reaching for a gun. In which case you would think it needs to be standard training to communicate that the gun is secured, like it is for most law enforcement. Now we get into the 37 days thing. The low number of days and apparently, quality of training.

Ultimately where im going, is all of this can be erased by voters. Voters can vote to reopen the border and encourage illegal immigration and disband ICE. At all times the federal government needs to be a little fearful of the populace, and ensure it is really truly serving it.

I do think this shooting was an error, and yet I am not very upset. It was an error more or less forced by the protesters in general, and by this guy in particular, who thought that confronting law enforcement with a gun, and playing hero, was his role for that day. I bet there is some level of mental illness going on.

But regardless, the government does need to reassess. Perception does matter. If tomorrow ICE ramps up even more, and there are 10 "heros" like this guy, armed, trying to protect citizens, how many more errors will there be?


Reasonable post.

Hard to disagree with your logic. I simply think that you can't let this be seen as a victory for the lawbreakers. Doesn't mean escalation but it also doesn't mean withdrawing IMO
Mothra
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Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Realitybites said:

ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.


What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota.

Nah. It's just plain old American protest.


Apparently things like this aren't happening, eh Sam?

ICE agent's finger bitten off by protestor:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/ice-agents-finger-bit-off-dhs-reveals-suspects-photos-amid-alex-pretti-shooting-row-minneapolis-minnesota-101769293449339-amp.html

That is certainly odd. I don't really see it being weaponized as a protest tactic, though.


Listen I get it. Researching something that hurts your narrative is not something you want to do voluntarily. You might be surprised if you actually did some research.

Probably just a one off… lol.

I mean, probably. But I'm definitely intrigued at this point. How many more oral assaults to the extremities of federal law enforcement personnel are we talking about?


For someone who doesn't believe it's happening at all, I'm glad to see you've pulled your head out.

Let me know what counts as assault in your book. Never assault if it's against an ice agent I guess
ATL Bear
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Realitybites said:

ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.


What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota. You *never* stand down in the face of a communist insurrection. You go full Franco. If you don't, welcome to Russia 1917.

Yesterday these cretins tried taking over the airport.
This is no more an insurrection than Jan 6. Give me a f-n break.
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Harrison Bergeron
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ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.

This 100%. I have always held that DHS made a strategic and political mistake by focusing on radical Democrat-controlled states. Put the resources in Texas, Arizona, etc. Let cities like Minneapolis have all the child molesters and killers they want. Let their kids get molested and killed by illegal drunk drivers - focus on keeping Dallas and Houston and Phoenix safer. Over time, all the illegals will move to this cities run by lunatics, and they can deal with them.
 
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