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Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.

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Nope. Did we learn nothing from BLM?

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It's clear we learned nothing, including how to manage crowds and protests.

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Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.

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What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota. You *never* stand down in the face of a communist insurrection. You go full Franco. If you don't, welcome to Russia 1917.

Yesterday these cretins tried taking over the airport.

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This is no more an insurrection than Jan 6. Give me a f-n break.

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I don't personally think either are insurrections in the pure sense.

But Minnesota comes closer to being true.

The Jan 6th issue was a one time mob action that was over in 4 hours. Not a sustained campaign over time with State level political support

This Minnesota event has gone on for months. Has had the support of State politicians and political elites from the top to the bottom of the State apparatus. I would not be surprised to find out some State authorities have been cooperating & coordinating these street mob actions and harassing campaigns

It's coming very close to State level insurrection against federal law and federal government authority.

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They had already taken his gun, and were beating him, when one of them pulled a gun and executed him, from what is being reported. If true, it's a big mistake.

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I don't want to be called a lib, but I always look for truth, not propaganda. The Trump administration will forward propaganda in this incident. They always do.

Saw the video from the pink ladies point of view and another closer point of view. I don't doubt the dude was carrying he was, but if you watch closely, a guy came up behind him and ripped a gun out of the guys waist/belt and ran away from the brawl moments before the dude was shot.

I can also say this, he did not brandish a weapon or when on the ground getting the hell beat out of him had no way to get to the weapon.

He also was legally carrying which has been reported by multiple Minnesota News agencies.
My son also carries and if he does will have a couple of loaded mags in his belt.

At some point folks on the right might wake up and understand the administration right now ain't right.

The biggest thing I can see here is they again are not allowing locals to investigate the shooting. Real professional need to investigate this, not the administration saying we have this and we will determine the truth.

But, I can see what you are saying about him being disarmed, it appears that one of the officers pulled a gun from him and fled right before the shots were fired.

Also, they say he approached officers with a 9mm. One of the very up close videos showed him directing traffic and then just to his left officers were throwing down a woman the man came up got down and was shielding her from getting beat. They then ripped him off of her, started beating the hell out of him, some other officer ripped something out of his belt and ran away as then about 6-8 rounds were unloaded into him.

Their narrative is bull*****

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BS

If you are armed and you start fighting with a half-dozen officers, bad things are going to happen to you. One officer perceives you are trying to obtain his weapon, you are going to get shot. Many times. And it will by by law a justified shooting.

Do NOT fight with cops.

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He did not fight with the ICE

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Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.

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What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota. You *never* stand down in the face of a communist insurrection. You go full Franco. If you don't, welcome to Russia 1917.

Yesterday these cretins tried taking over the airport.

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This is no more an insurrection than Jan 6. Give me a f-n break.

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I don't personally think either are insurrections in the pure sense.

But Minnesota comes closer to being true.

The Jan 6th issue was a one time mob action that was over in 4 hours. Not a sustained campaign over time with State level political support

This Minnesota event has gone on for months. Has had the support of State politicians and political elites from the top to the bottom of the State apparatus. I would not be surprised to find out some State authorities have been cooperating & coordinating these street mob actions and harassing campaigns

It's coming very close to State level insurrection against federal law and federal government authority.

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In another of 1,000 examples of Democrat projection and hypocrisy ... being a so-called "sanctuary city" and opposing federal law enforcement is exponentially more anti-democratic than anything President Trump or any Republican ever has done. But it's the same Orwellian game - they Democrats don't care about democracy they care about power.

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Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.

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This 100%. I have always held that DHS made a strategic and political mistake by focusing on radical Democrat-controlled states. Put the resources in Texas, Arizona, etc. Let cities like Minneapolis have all the child molesters and killers they want. Let their kids get molested and killed by illegal drunk drivers - focus on keeping Dallas and Houston and Phoenix safer. Over time, all the illegals will move to this cities run by lunatics, and they can deal with them.

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100%. Deploy your assets where they're wanted. Let Minnesota be Minnesota. People will vote with their feet over time.

Minnesota was exposed for major fraud operations on every level. That's all this is about. Democrats would not be coordinating the media and these attacks on federal agents had that fraud not been exposed. There is a reason Tampon Tim was selected by the DNC to run with Kamala.

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Minnesota was exposed for major fraud operations on every level. That's all this is about. Democrats would not be coordinating the media and these attacks on federal agents had that fraud not been exposed. There is a reason Tampon Tim was selected by the DNC to run with Kamala.

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Yes. It is not an accident that Tampon started getting the professional protesters deployed after his fraud was revealed. It is not an accident that what gets the radical LWNJ extremists the most worked up is D.O.G.E., fraud, and other things that threaten the grift.

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ATL Bear said:

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Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.

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What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota. You *never* stand down in the face of a communist insurrection. You go full Franco. If you don't, welcome to Russia 1917.

Yesterday these cretins tried taking over the airport.

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This is no more an insurrection than Jan 6. Give me a f-n break.

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I don't personally think either are insurrections in the pure sense.

But Minnesota comes closer to being true.

The Jan 6th issue was a one time mob action that was over in 4 hours. Not a sustained campaign over time with State level political support

This Minnesota event has gone on for months. Has had the support of State politicians and political elites from the top to the bottom of the State apparatus. I would not be surprised to find out some State authorities have been cooperating & coordinating these street mob actions and harassing campaigns

It's coming very close to State level insurrection against federal law and federal government authority.

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It's far from it. Policy disagreement is not insurrection. If you believe as you do above, then Abbott incited insurrection by.usurping Federal authority, with the cooperation of state authorities, by calling in the national guard and enforcing immigration against the Federal governments direction.

"Antifa spotters are up on every block in target area of MN. This is a highly organized, trained, and networked cells, using encrypted comms and advanced surveillance tactics"

🚨Minneapolis, MN

Yesterday, while driving, we were followed by multiple vehicles for over an hour. We were told that we came up in the local ICE Watch group’s “ICE Database”.

You can hear us confirm to them multiple times that we are NOT ICE.

At one point they asked for our… pic.twitter.com/ch3V6MZ3kV

— Hailey (@haileyywest) January 24, 2026

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"Antifa spotters are up on every block in target area of MN. This is a highly organized, trained, and networked cells, using encrypted comms and advanced surveillance tactics"

🚨Minneapolis, MN

Yesterday, while driving, we were followed by multiple vehicles for over an hour. We were told that we came up in the local ICE Watch group’s “ICE Database”.

You can hear us confirm to them multiple times that we are NOT ICE.

At one point they asked for our… pic.twitter.com/ch3V6MZ3kV

— Hailey (@haileyywest) January 24, 2026

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While we are buried in left-wing disinformation, one big one as that these are just folks minding their own business who stumbled onto an ICE enforcement. It is intentional, anti-democratic insurrection funded by globalist billionaires.

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ATL Bear said:

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Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.

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What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota. You *never* stand down in the face of a communist insurrection. You go full Franco. If you don't, welcome to Russia 1917.

Yesterday these cretins tried taking over the airport.

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This is no more an insurrection than Jan 6. Give me a f-n break.

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I don't personally think either are insurrections in the pure sense.

But Minnesota comes closer to being true.

The Jan 6th issue was a one time mob action that was over in 4 hours. Not a sustained campaign over time with State level political support

This Minnesota event has gone on for months. Has had the support of State politicians and political elites from the top to the bottom of the State apparatus. I would not be surprised to find out some State authorities have been cooperating & coordinating these street mob actions and harassing campaigns

It's coming very close to State level insurrection against federal law and federal government authority.

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It's far from it. Policy disagreement is not insurrection. If you believe as you do above, then Abbott incited insurrection by.usurping Federal authority, with the cooperation of state authorities, by calling in the national guard and enforcing immigration against the Federal governments direction.

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Sending violent, armed morons out to attack federal agents is not just "policy disagreement." Good lord...

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Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.

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What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota. You *never* stand down in the face of a communist insurrection. You go full Franco. If you don't, welcome to Russia 1917.

Yesterday these cretins tried taking over the airport.

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This is no more an insurrection than Jan 6. Give me a f-n break.

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I don't personally think either are insurrections in the pure sense.

But Minnesota comes closer to being true.

The Jan 6th issue was a one time mob action that was over in 4 hours. Not a sustained campaign over time with State level political support

This Minnesota event has gone on for months. Has had the support of State politicians and political elites from the top to the bottom of the State apparatus. I would not be surprised to find out some State authorities have been cooperating & coordinating these street mob actions and harassing campaigns

It's coming very close to State level insurrection against federal law and federal government authority.

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It's far from it. Policy disagreement is not insurrection. If you believe as you do above, then Abbott incited insurrection by.usurping Federal authority, with the cooperation of state authorities, by calling in the national guard and enforcing immigration against the Federal governments direction.

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Actively encouraging mobs to resist Federal laws and Federal officials. And subverting the law at every turn is in fact moving dangerously close to the State level insurrection line.

Now contrast Minnesota with Texas where the governor was actively trying to assist in implementing the Federal Laws on the books against a Presidential Administration that was actively trying to subvert them.

Very different things.

And Abbot litigated such issues and obeyed SCOTUS rulings that came down on those issues that were contested between the State and Biden administration

[VLADECK: It's really important to stress that two different things are true: First, Abbott is not "essentially ignoring" the Supreme Court. Second, he is interfering with federal authority to a degree..

With regard to the court, all that the justices did on Monday was to vacate a lower-court injunction, which had itself prohibited federal officials from cutting or otherwise removing razor wire that Texas officials have placed along or near the US-Mexico border.

Instead, the real issue here is that Abbott is deliberately impeding the ability of federal officials to act in and around Eagle Pass in a way that isn't in outright defiance of the Supreme Court (yet)

That's why Abbott is trying to invoke a claim that the federal Constitution itself authorizes what he's doing]

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Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.

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That's good advice for the protesters to take.
That's good advice for Gov Walz to take.
That's good advice for Mayor Frey.

Trump is not the problem here.
Neither is ICE.

Moderates have an unerring instinct to avoid the most important fights. They only find virtue in attacking their own political base.

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All are the problem. Some of us are just interested in it not getting worse. We can circle back to Minnesota and with a much better tactic than they decided to use. Instead it's publicly destroying the broader effort.

You've gone way into the deep end of unchecked executive power and use of force. It's not a virtue.

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ATL Bear said:

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Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.

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What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota. You *never* stand down in the face of a communist insurrection. You go full Franco. If you don't, welcome to Russia 1917.

Yesterday these cretins tried taking over the airport.

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This is no more an insurrection than Jan 6. Give me a f-n break.

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I don't personally think either are insurrections in the pure sense.

But Minnesota comes closer to being true.

The Jan 6th issue was a one time mob action that was over in 4 hours. Not a sustained campaign over time with State level political support

This Minnesota event has gone on for months. Has had the support of State politicians and political elites from the top to the bottom of the State apparatus. I would not be surprised to find out some State authorities have been cooperating & coordinating these street mob actions and harassing campaigns

It's coming very close to State level insurrection against federal law and federal government authority.

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It's far from it. Policy disagreement is not insurrection. If you believe as you do above, then Abbott incited insurrection by.usurping Federal authority, with the cooperation of state authorities, by calling in the national guard and enforcing immigration against the Federal governments direction.

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Actively encouraging mobs to resist Federal laws and Federal officials. And subverting the law at every turn is in fact moving dangerously close to the State level insurrection line.

Now contrast Minnesota with Texas where the governor was actively trying to assist in implementing the Federal Laws on the books against a Presidential Administration that was actively trying to subvert them.

Very different things.

And Abbot litigated such issues and obeyed SCOTUS rulings that came down on those issues that were contested between the State and Biden administration

[VLADECK: It's really important to stress that two different things are true: First, Abbott is not "essentially ignoring" the Supreme Court. Second, he is interfering with federal authority to a degree..

With regard to the court, all that the justices did on Monday was to vacate a lower-court injunction, which had itself prohibited federal officials from cutting or otherwise removing razor wire that Texas officials have placed along or near the US-Mexico border.

Instead, the real issue here is that Abbott is deliberately impeding the ability of federal officials to act in and around Eagle Pass in a way that isn't in outright defiance of the Supreme Court (yet)

That's why Abbott is trying to invoke a claim that the federal Constitution itself authorizes what he's doing]

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Encouraging protest is what led to Jan 6. And Abbott actually subverted Federal Authority with military resources no less. Local and state LEOs aren't in play like that in Minnesota, I'm not drawing lines of right/wrong from a principle standpoint, only let's be honest about neither being insurrection, and not close.

By the way, encouraging protest and resistance has been at the heart of American free speech and assembly since its founding. Even if I vehemently disagree, I never want that designated as insurrection.

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ATL Bear said:

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Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.

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What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota. You *never* stand down in the face of a communist insurrection. You go full Franco. If you don't, welcome to Russia 1917.

Yesterday these cretins tried taking over the airport.

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This is no more an insurrection than Jan 6. Give me a f-n break.

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I don't personally think either are insurrections in the pure sense.

But Minnesota comes closer to being true.

The Jan 6th issue was a one time mob action that was over in 4 hours. Not a sustained campaign over time with State level political support

This Minnesota event has gone on for months. Has had the support of State politicians and political elites from the top to the bottom of the State apparatus. I would not be surprised to find out some State authorities have been cooperating & coordinating these street mob actions and harassing campaigns

It's coming very close to State level insurrection against federal law and federal government authority.

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It's far from it. Policy disagreement is not insurrection. If you believe as you do above, then Abbott incited insurrection by.usurping Federal authority, with the cooperation of state authorities, by calling in the national guard and enforcing immigration against the Federal governments direction.

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Sending violent, armed morons out to attack federal agents is not just "policy disagreement." Good lord...

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If ICE didn't decide to come en masse to do large scale sweeps on illegal immigrants, what would be happening here?

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ATL Bear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.

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What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota. You *never* stand down in the face of a communist insurrection. You go full Franco. If you don't, welcome to Russia 1917.

Yesterday these cretins tried taking over the airport.

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This is no more an insurrection than Jan 6. Give me a f-n break.

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I don't personally think either are insurrections in the pure sense.

But Minnesota comes closer to being true.

The Jan 6th issue was a one time mob action that was over in 4 hours. Not a sustained campaign over time with State level political support

This Minnesota event has gone on for months. Has had the support of State politicians and political elites from the top to the bottom of the State apparatus. I would not be surprised to find out some State authorities have been cooperating & coordinating these street mob actions and harassing campaigns

It's coming very close to State level insurrection against federal law and federal government authority.

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It's far from it. Policy disagreement is not insurrection. If you believe as you do above, then Abbott incited insurrection by.usurping Federal authority, with the cooperation of state authorities, by calling in the national guard and enforcing immigration against the Federal governments direction.

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Actively encouraging mobs to resist Federal laws and Federal officials. And subverting the law at every turn is in fact moving dangerously close to the State level insurrection line.

Now contrast Minnesota with Texas where the governor was actively trying to assist in implementing the Federal Laws on the books against a Presidential Administration that was actively trying to subvert them.

Very different things.

And Abbot litigated such issues and obeyed SCOTUS rulings that came down on those issues that were contested between the State and Biden administration

[VLADECK: It's really important to stress that two different things are true: First, Abbott is not "essentially ignoring" the Supreme Court. Second, he is interfering with federal authority to a degree..

With regard to the court, all that the justices did on Monday was to vacate a lower-court injunction, which had itself prohibited federal officials from cutting or otherwise removing razor wire that Texas officials have placed along or near the US-Mexico border.

Instead, the real issue here is that Abbott is deliberately impeding the ability of federal officials to act in and around Eagle Pass in a way that isn't in outright defiance of the Supreme Court (yet)

That's why Abbott is trying to invoke a claim that the federal Constitution itself authorizes what he's doing]

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Encouraging protest is what led to Jan 6. And Abbott actually subverted Federal Authority with military resources no less. Local and state LEOs aren't in play like that in Minnesota, I'm not drawing lines of right/wrong from a principle standpoint, only let's be honest about neither being insurrection, and not close.

By the way, encouraging protest and resistance has been at the heart of American free speech and assembly since its founding. Even if I vehemently disagree, I never want that designated as insurrection.

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Yes, I am arguing with you for the sake of argument because it is more fun than ORANGE MAN BAD and the usual TDS hysterics.

I think there is a big difference between the two situations (Texas and Minnesota) that must be understood.

- Minnesota is actively interfering with the federal government executing its Constitutional authority in a normal, lawful way that was not controversial five minutes ago; this is arguably more of an "insurrection" than January Sixth. Where do you draw the line? When is the right time to expect states to comply with the normal, legal operations of the federal government?

- Texas was not opposing the federal government but filling a gap left when the federal government chose to act in opposition to the Constitution and refuse to perform one of its primary, uncontroversial tasks. By your logic, for example if FEMA refused to declare a disaster in Texas eligible for federal funds, would it be illegal for the state to provide those funds?

Please be cautious - do not fall into the Orwellian trap of event for a microsecond considering what is happening in Minnesota as "protest and resistance." You run the risk of falling into the Orwellian disinformation trap so critical to the radical agenda. This is the game they play. Do not fall for it.

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Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.

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What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota. You *never* stand down in the face of a communist insurrection. You go full Franco. If you don't, welcome to Russia 1917.

Yesterday these cretins tried taking over the airport.

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This is no more an insurrection than Jan 6. Give me a f-n break.

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I don't personally think either are insurrections in the pure sense.

But Minnesota comes closer to being true.

The Jan 6th issue was a one time mob action that was over in 4 hours. Not a sustained campaign over time with State level political support

This Minnesota event has gone on for months. Has had the support of State politicians and political elites from the top to the bottom of the State apparatus. I would not be surprised to find out some State authorities have been cooperating & coordinating these street mob actions and harassing campaigns

It's coming very close to State level insurrection against federal law and federal government authority.

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It's far from it. Policy disagreement is not insurrection. If you believe as you do above, then Abbott incited insurrection by.usurping Federal authority, with the cooperation of state authorities, by calling in the national guard and enforcing immigration against the Federal governments direction.

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Actively encouraging mobs to resist Federal laws and Federal officials. And subverting the law at every turn is in fact moving dangerously close to the State level insurrection line.

Now contrast Minnesota with Texas where the governor was actively trying to assist in implementing the Federal Laws on the books against a Presidential Administration that was actively trying to subvert them.

Very different things.

And Abbot litigated such issues and obeyed SCOTUS rulings that came down on those issues that were contested between the State and Biden administration

[VLADECK: It's really important to stress that two different things are true: First, Abbott is not "essentially ignoring" the Supreme Court. Second, he is interfering with federal authority to a degree..

With regard to the court, all that the justices did on Monday was to vacate a lower-court injunction, which had itself prohibited federal officials from cutting or otherwise removing razor wire that Texas officials have placed along or near the US-Mexico border.

Instead, the real issue here is that Abbott is deliberately impeding the ability of federal officials to act in and around Eagle Pass in a way that isn't in outright defiance of the Supreme Court (yet)

That's why Abbott is trying to invoke a claim that the federal Constitution itself authorizes what he's doing]

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Encouraging protest is what led to Jan 6. And Abbott actually subverted Federal Authority with military resources no less. Local and state LEOs aren't in play like that in Minnesota, I'm not drawing lines of right/wrong from a principle standpoint, only let's be honest about neither being insurrection, and not close.

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1. No one is disputing the right of people to protest.

And Jan 6th was protest that got out of hand for 4 hours at one time.

These protests have getting of hand for months and are being actively encouraged by State and local authorities

2. Again go back and read about the Texas and Gov. Abbott issues. Texas was contending that it had a right to assist in the enforcement of actual real Federal immigration laws on the books. Essentially when the current Administration was undermining those laws and refusing to enforce them.

And Texas obeyed any SCOTUS judgments that went to against them (for instance no longer putting back up razor wire the Feds cut to facilitate mass migration)

Very different constitutional issues. A State making the case it had a right to help support the law when the Feds violated it. (Going through the legal process) vs a State violating Federal law when the Feds are tying to enforce it.

Minnesota is trending into dangerous ground and getting close to what we would define as insurrection against Federal authorities and the Law

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ATL Bear said:

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Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.

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What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota. You *never* stand down in the face of a communist insurrection. You go full Franco. If you don't, welcome to Russia 1917.

Yesterday these cretins tried taking over the airport.

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This is no more an insurrection than Jan 6. Give me a f-n break.

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I don't personally think either are insurrections in the pure sense.

But Minnesota comes closer to being true.

The Jan 6th issue was a one time mob action that was over in 4 hours. Not a sustained campaign over time with State level political support

This Minnesota event has gone on for months. Has had the support of State politicians and political elites from the top to the bottom of the State apparatus. I would not be surprised to find out some State authorities have been cooperating & coordinating these street mob actions and harassing campaigns

It's coming very close to State level insurrection against federal law and federal government authority.

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It's far from it. Policy disagreement is not insurrection. If you believe as you do above, then Abbott incited insurrection by.usurping Federal authority, with the cooperation of state authorities, by calling in the national guard and enforcing immigration against the Federal governments direction.

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Sending violent, armed morons out to attack federal agents is not just "policy disagreement." Good lord...

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If ICE didn't decide to come en masse to do large scale sweeps on illegal immigrants, what would be happening here?

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That's the False Premise Fallacy. And I think you know that so I am not going to even point it out because you already know the answer.

Oklahoma GOP Gov. KEVIN STITT to @DanaBashCNN:

"Americans don't like what they're seeing right now. ... he's getting bad advice right now. The president needs to let the American people -- what is the solution? How do we bring this to conclusion? And I think only the president…

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) January 25, 2026

Trump's approval trend on handling immigration by @Rasmussen_Poll

August 2025
🟢 Approve: 53% (+9)
🟤 Disapprove: 44%

January 2026
🟢 Approve: 39% (-20)
🟤 Disapprove: 59%

Net 29-point negative swing https://t.co/TjEHkDmQns https://t.co/2qCKAzSlmO pic.twitter.com/3yKKP7Ze6k

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) January 25, 2026

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Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.

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What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota. You *never* stand down in the face of a communist insurrection. You go full Franco. If you don't, welcome to Russia 1917.

Yesterday these cretins tried taking over the airport.

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This is no more an insurrection than Jan 6. Give me a f-n break.

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I don't personally think either are insurrections in the pure sense.

But Minnesota comes closer to being true.

The Jan 6th issue was a one time mob action that was over in 4 hours. Not a sustained campaign over time with State level political support

This Minnesota event has gone on for months. Has had the support of State politicians and political elites from the top to the bottom of the State apparatus. I would not be surprised to find out some State authorities have been cooperating & coordinating these street mob actions and harassing campaigns

It's coming very close to State level insurrection against federal law and federal government authority.

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It's far from it. Policy disagreement is not insurrection. If you believe as you do above, then Abbott incited insurrection by.usurping Federal authority, with the cooperation of state authorities, by calling in the national guard and enforcing immigration against the Federal governments direction.

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Sending violent, armed morons out to attack federal agents is not just "policy disagreement." Good lord...

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If ICE didn't decide to come en masse to do large scale sweeps on illegal immigrants, what would be happening here?

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That's the False Premise Fallacy. And I think you know that so I am not going to even point it out because you already know the answer.

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Exactly. These people are trying to legitimize the Heckler's Veto of federal law.

People are tired of it. All talk no action for ten years. A continuous string of “we caught ‘em” and “massive fraud” and never doing anything about it. Just make sure you keep buying his gold shoes and online trading cards though. https://t.co/nRZaNYdN5i

— Five Times August (@FiveTimesAugust) January 25, 2026

Kash Patel: "You cannot bring a firearm loaded with multiple magazines to any sort of protest that you want. It's that simple. You don't have the right to break the law and incite violence." pic.twitter.com/wyQ79ZnYUI

— The Bulwark (@BulwarkOnline) January 25, 2026

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Oklahoma GOP Gov. KEVIN STITT to @DanaBashCNN:

"Americans don't like what they're seeing right now. ... he's getting bad advice right now. The president needs to let the American people -- what is the solution? How do we bring this to conclusion? And I think only the president…

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) January 25, 2026

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He's right. The disinformation machine is very difficult to overcome.

🚨 #BREAKINGNEWS Republican Representative James Comer says if hes was Trump he would leave Minneapolis and let the people decide rather than lose more innocent lives. 🚨 pic.twitter.com/HFZHCALEiw

— Ford News (@FordJohnathan5) January 25, 2026

noun: insurrection; plural noun: insurrections
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a violent uprising against an authority or government.

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noun: insurrection; plural noun: insurrections
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a violent uprising against an authority or government.

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Yup

The violent attacks against ICE, for an obvious example.

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“They’re using the context of immigration as a pretext to sidestep constitutional limits—warrants, due process, and transparency—that protect us all from government abuses.”

– Justin Amash pic.twitter.com/hJiFQi3KH1

— Libertarian Party (@LPNational) January 24, 2026

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And did Justin do anything when the Federal government under Biden imported in 200,000 people a month from the 3rd world?

Naw

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Considering he left congress before Biden's term started (he left office on January 3, 2021 when the House roster tuns over, 2-3 weeks before the presidential inauguration on January 20-21) what do you expect he could have done to oppose Biden's policies?

Google is free if you care to look into anything before just posting random things.

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The question literally still stands

What have any of these "principled" libertarians done to arrest the hideous unconstitutional actions of the Left?

Nothing

Just take shots at the Right whenever they try to do anything

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Justin achieved nothing in Congress, no major legislation passed, no laws changed, nothing

His biggest achievement is listed as "He was the first Republican to call for Trump's impeachment."

Wow…amazing stuff lol

[Amash gained nationwide notoriety in 2019, following the release of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's report, when he became the first Republican congressional representative to say President Trump had engaged in impeachable conduct. He soon left the Republican Party and became an independent; a few months later, he supported impeachment proceedings against the president…Amash, who chose not to seek reelection in 2020, was the only non-Democrat to vote in favor of impeachment.]

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Well that is literally a movement of the goal posts vandy students would be jealous of following beating Alabama in 2024.

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I am just fascinated by ideological rigid libertarianism

Is its whole purpose to be "we do nothing for Americans..we just complain…and really love to vote against the Right more than the Left"

Truly I am in awe of this political phenomenon

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They do it until they can no longer deny what theyre vote and mindset does to them and their family if they have one. Even then they are super stubborn. Trump collapses food and energy prices in < a year and they still dont get it. As just one tangible example.

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noun: insurrection; plural noun: insurrections
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a violent uprising against an authority or government.

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And that is exactly what this leftwing nutjob "protestors" are doing across the nation. They are violently attacking government authorities.

Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.

Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.

Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.

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Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.

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Id think most support this if they go after those funding this behavior via the rentamobs

Fear we will have another death soon...hope not

NOW: Protesters STAND OFF with Border Patrol and ICE agents during attempted raid at City View Apartments in Minneapolis pic.twitter.com/ILMpYvec9M

— Oliya Scootercaster 🛴 (@ScooterCasterNY) January 25, 2026

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Can anyone produce a video of the man violently resisting the police? The only thing I have seen is the man with an empty left hand and a cell phone in the right. That's murder.

Who cares if the man was armed? He has a gun license in MN which allows for him to carry a gun in public. That said, yes, under MN law, law enforcement can disarm a licensed gun carrier if they feel they need to to make the scene safe. However, they must give the gun back to the person before the person leaves the scene. So, if you can produce a video of this man getting aggressive with law enforcement while they are trying to take his weapon, I'll review the new evidence that nobody seems able to produce right now.

Who cares how many bullets he had on him? Most concealed carry people carry a back up magazine. It's in case something goes wrong with the magazine in the gun, you drop it out, reload the new one, and now you have a working gun. I carry a backup. I know some people who carry more than one. It's not illegal to have as many bullets as you want on you. As long has he was licensed, he did nothing wrong until you can prove he did.

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I think some people are conflating he didnt deserve to
Die for what he did with he was just standing aside blowing a whistle filming with his iphone

He didnt deserve to die. Lotta good that does him and his family now.

Just a reminder, these are not ordinary, law-abiding citizens. These are organized, militant, violent.

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Fear we will have another death soon...hope not

NOW: Protesters STAND OFF with Border Patrol and ICE agents during attempted raid at City View Apartments in Minneapolis pic.twitter.com/ILMpYvec9M

— Oliya Scootercaster 🛴 (@ScooterCasterNY) January 25, 2026

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Just a matter of time. They have to trigger a civil war to influence the mid terms election