Minneapolis ICE shooting

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303Bear said:

The_barBEARian said:



The left? A fender bender (where it looks like fault is at worst 50/50 - no visible emergency lights or other markings, and the ICE truck pulls wide left and whips back to the right) warrants multiple guns being drawn and more importantly pointed at the non-ICE driver?

Clown world, banana republic **** in that video.


Ok.. You are a dishonest lunatic. She clearly plows into the ICE vehicle intentionally.

Can we agree to a national divorce right now so we dont have to kill each other down the road?
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Chaos

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boognish_bear said:

Chaos




My patience has reached its limits.

Start shooting these mother****ers.
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The_barBEARian said:

303Bear said:

The_barBEARian said:



The left? A fender bender (where it looks like fault is at worst 50/50 - no visible emergency lights or other markings, and the ICE truck pulls wide left and whips back to the right) warrants multiple guns being drawn and more importantly pointed at the non-ICE driver?

Clown world, banana republic **** in that video.


Ok.. You are a dishonest lunatic. She clearly plows into the ICE vehicle intentionally.

Can we agree to a national divorce right now so we dont have to kill each other down the road?

How can a car traveling straight in a line lane of traffic, intentionally hit a vehicle that cuts in front of it with no signal? When she is released tomorrow without charges, will you change your view?
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303Bear said:

The_barBEARian said:

303Bear said:

The_barBEARian said:



The left? A fender bender (where it looks like fault is at worst 50/50 - no visible emergency lights or other markings, and the ICE truck pulls wide left and whips back to the right) warrants multiple guns being drawn and more importantly pointed at the non-ICE driver?

Clown world, banana republic **** in that video.


Ok.. You are a dishonest lunatic. She clearly plows into the ICE vehicle intentionally.

Can we agree to a national divorce right now so we dont have to kill each other down the road?

How can a car traveling straight in a line lane of traffic, intentionally hit a vehicle that cuts in front of it with no signal? When she is released tomorrow without charges, will you change your view?


There is no ****ing way you voted for Trump....
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Frank Galvin said:

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J.R. said:

That Cowgirl tart said it was domestic terrorism 10min after the incident. Eff ICE, Eff True, Eff Annie Oakley, Eff the Pole Dancer for conducting what will be a sham investigation with her puppet master pulling the strings. Everyone has seen the video. That chit should not happen in the US.. Every ICE Agent who stood by and watched and the one who told the Dr. he could not render aid as the lady lay dying should be fired today. ICE needs to GTFO of cities. If some. ICE thug were to come round my place , he'd get a Glock 9 shot over his head. The Minneapolis Mayor had it right . ICE. "Get the Eff Out". ole Hammerskin Hank and the rest of the jack booted Brown Shirts should go eff off tool. Roll the Tanks, Hank!


Were you this outraged when Ashli Babbitt got shot?

How is this any different?

If this was the FBI killing people over anti-Israel demonstrations or the IRS invading someone's home and shooting them dead bcs they didnt pay taxes to a corrupt government who doesnt represent them... I'd agree with the reactionary sentiment to fight to the death.

Instead, this is a dumb ***** was fighting ICE over the deportation of Somali con-artists who have stolen billions from the American tax payer.

Learn to choose your battles.


What is different is that the woman was shot trying to leave while Babbit was shot trying to enter.

Guess what - if you are being detained or given an order by a law-enforcement officer, you aren't allowed to simply ignore it and "leave" and you certainly aren't allowed to willfully to drive a vehicle at a law enforcement officer regardless of the speed of the vehicle. And it's just as much breaking the law as trying to forcefully enter a restricted building, facility, or area.

I didn't say she shouldn't be arrested.

Regular police deal with difficult people thousands of times a day, every day. Incidents like yesterday are exceedingly rare, becuase regular police are good at deescalating. ICE is the opposite. If you do not immediately obey the masked, ambiguously marked "law enforcement" they immediately ratchet up the intimidation.




1. Your last line is hyperbolic and prejudiced . ICE has probably thousands of interactions a week across the country with illegal aliens and there is no evidence that these are not done with professionalism in the vast majority of cases.

2. This would also be a good time to point out ICE is not there to be a local police force designed to engage with citizens and deal from more traditional law & order policing

They are there with a specific mission. Detain and deport foreign illegal aliens with no right to be inside the USA.

So why are citizens-activists seeking out interactions and conflict situations with ICE?

I have somehow gone all my life never having contact with ICE agents at all. Yet have had routine interactions with local police.

You have to seek out ICE agents if you are a citizen to even encounter them at all
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The_barBEARian said:

303Bear said:

The_barBEARian said:

303Bear said:

The_barBEARian said:



The left? A fender bender (where it looks like fault is at worst 50/50 - no visible emergency lights or other markings, and the ICE truck pulls wide left and whips back to the right) warrants multiple guns being drawn and more importantly pointed at the non-ICE driver?

Clown world, banana republic **** in that video.


Ok.. You are a dishonest lunatic. She clearly plows into the ICE vehicle intentionally.

Can we agree to a national divorce right now so we dont have to kill each other down the road?

How can a car traveling straight in a line lane of traffic, intentionally hit a vehicle that cuts in front of it with no signal? When she is released tomorrow without charges, will you change your view?


There is no ****ing way you voted for Trump....

Great rebuttal. Want to engage with the actual topic, or are you just here to drop internet tough guy one liners?
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This will not end well

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boognish_bear said:

This will not end well



Likely not. This is the kind of thing the MPD and or national guard should be putting a stop to.
boognish_bear
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They are trying to break into and trespass private property....not sure why cops aren't already there and cuffing them.
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303Bear said:

boognish_bear said:

This will not end well



Likely not. This is the kind of thing the MPD and or national guard should be putting a stop to.


They will be there to hand out hot chocolate to the rioters.
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boognish_bear said:



Nah, these guys are peaceful, right Sam? Can't be true.
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boognish_bear said:

NEW: Since yesterday's deadly shooting in MN, I've talked to more than half a dozen federal sources involved immigration enforcement, including several in senior positions, who all tell me they have grown increasingly uneasy & frustrated w/ some of the claims & narratives DHS pushed in the aftermath of the shooting.

Specifically, I'm told there is extreme frustration with DHS officials going on TV and putting out statements claiming that Alex Pretti was intending to conduct a "massacre" of federal agents or wanted to carry out "maximum damage", even after numerous videos appeared to show those claims were inaccurate. While they say it was a terrible decision to show up with a gun and inject himself into a federal law enforcement operation, there is no indication Pretti was there to murder law enforcement, as videos appear to show he never drew his holstered firearm.

These sources say this messaging from DHS officials has been catastrophic from a PR and morale perspective, as it is eroding trust and credibility - comparing it to when Democrats falsely claimed the border was closed or that Haitians were being whipped at the border.

Some of these sources have described DHS' response to the shooting as "a case study on how not to do crisis PR", one said they are so "fed up" that they wish they could retire, another said "DHS is making the situation worse", and another added that "DHS is wrong" and "we are losing this war, we are losing the base and the narrative."

These sources all believe this is going to end up being what they call a "bad shoot", a "****ty" situation that happened in seconds where agents likely heard "gun!", then the disarmed firearm may have had an accidental discharge that spooked the agents, and they shot. The agents do not have the luxury of multiple slow motion angles - and had to make split second decisions.

All of the sources support the mass deportation agenda, but have serious hesitations about the way it is being carried out and the messaging that comes with it. Many of the sources have expressed frustration that ICE is routinely blamed for the actions of Border Patrol, a completely separate agency.

I reached out to DHS for comment on concerns that their rhetoric and comments have damaged their credibility.

DHS provided the following statement to @FoxNews:

"We have seen a highly coordinated campaign of violence against our law enforcement. This individual committed a federal crime while armed as he obstructed an active law enforcement operation. As with any situation that is evolving, we work to give swift, accurate information to the American people as more information becomes available."





This is the tactic that needs to stop. On both sides. Walz, Fey, Trump, and Noem need to all go with the "let's see what the investigations find," and quit putting gas on the fire with unsubstantiated or still questionable claims.
We as citizens should know better than to take any political leaders at face value. We aren't really hearing them first hand anyway. We get the media filtered version for the most part - except for official releases that are government filtered.
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EatMoreSalmon said:

boognish_bear said:

NEW: Since yesterday's deadly shooting in MN, I've talked to more than half a dozen federal sources involved immigration enforcement, including several in senior positions, who all tell me they have grown increasingly uneasy & frustrated w/ some of the claims & narratives DHS pushed in the aftermath of the shooting.

Specifically, I'm told there is extreme frustration with DHS officials going on TV and putting out statements claiming that Alex Pretti was intending to conduct a "massacre" of federal agents or wanted to carry out "maximum damage", even after numerous videos appeared to show those claims were inaccurate. While they say it was a terrible decision to show up with a gun and inject himself into a federal law enforcement operation, there is no indication Pretti was there to murder law enforcement, as videos appear to show he never drew his holstered firearm.

These sources say this messaging from DHS officials has been catastrophic from a PR and morale perspective, as it is eroding trust and credibility - comparing it to when Democrats falsely claimed the border was closed or that Haitians were being whipped at the border.

Some of these sources have described DHS' response to the shooting as "a case study on how not to do crisis PR", one said they are so "fed up" that they wish they could retire, another said "DHS is making the situation worse", and another added that "DHS is wrong" and "we are losing this war, we are losing the base and the narrative."

These sources all believe this is going to end up being what they call a "bad shoot", a "****ty" situation that happened in seconds where agents likely heard "gun!", then the disarmed firearm may have had an accidental discharge that spooked the agents, and they shot. The agents do not have the luxury of multiple slow motion angles - and had to make split second decisions.

All of the sources support the mass deportation agenda, but have serious hesitations about the way it is being carried out and the messaging that comes with it. Many of the sources have expressed frustration that ICE is routinely blamed for the actions of Border Patrol, a completely separate agency.

I reached out to DHS for comment on concerns that their rhetoric and comments have damaged their credibility.

DHS provided the following statement to @FoxNews:

"We have seen a highly coordinated campaign of violence against our law enforcement. This individual committed a federal crime while armed as he obstructed an active law enforcement operation. As with any situation that is evolving, we work to give swift, accurate information to the American people as more information becomes available."





This is the tactic that needs to stop. On both sides. Walz, Fey, Trump, and Noem need to all go with the "let's see what the investigations find," and quit putting gas on the fire with unsubstantiated or still questionable claims.
We as citizens should know better than to take any political leaders at face value. We aren't really hearing them first hand anyway. We get the media filtered version for the most part - except for official releases that are government filtered.

Agree with this. It's sad everything these days is a political football.
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Mothra said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

boognish_bear said:

NEW: Since yesterday's deadly shooting in MN, I've talked to more than half a dozen federal sources involved immigration enforcement, including several in senior positions, who all tell me they have grown increasingly uneasy & frustrated w/ some of the claims & narratives DHS pushed in the aftermath of the shooting.

Specifically, I'm told there is extreme frustration with DHS officials going on TV and putting out statements claiming that Alex Pretti was intending to conduct a "massacre" of federal agents or wanted to carry out "maximum damage", even after numerous videos appeared to show those claims were inaccurate. While they say it was a terrible decision to show up with a gun and inject himself into a federal law enforcement operation, there is no indication Pretti was there to murder law enforcement, as videos appear to show he never drew his holstered firearm.

These sources say this messaging from DHS officials has been catastrophic from a PR and morale perspective, as it is eroding trust and credibility - comparing it to when Democrats falsely claimed the border was closed or that Haitians were being whipped at the border.

Some of these sources have described DHS' response to the shooting as "a case study on how not to do crisis PR", one said they are so "fed up" that they wish they could retire, another said "DHS is making the situation worse", and another added that "DHS is wrong" and "we are losing this war, we are losing the base and the narrative."

These sources all believe this is going to end up being what they call a "bad shoot", a "****ty" situation that happened in seconds where agents likely heard "gun!", then the disarmed firearm may have had an accidental discharge that spooked the agents, and they shot. The agents do not have the luxury of multiple slow motion angles - and had to make split second decisions.

All of the sources support the mass deportation agenda, but have serious hesitations about the way it is being carried out and the messaging that comes with it. Many of the sources have expressed frustration that ICE is routinely blamed for the actions of Border Patrol, a completely separate agency.

I reached out to DHS for comment on concerns that their rhetoric and comments have damaged their credibility.

DHS provided the following statement to @FoxNews:

"We have seen a highly coordinated campaign of violence against our law enforcement. This individual committed a federal crime while armed as he obstructed an active law enforcement operation. As with any situation that is evolving, we work to give swift, accurate information to the American people as more information becomes available."





This is the tactic that needs to stop. On both sides. Walz, Fey, Trump, and Noem need to all go with the "let's see what the investigations find," and quit putting gas on the fire with unsubstantiated or still questionable claims.
We as citizens should know better than to take any political leaders at face value. We aren't really hearing them first hand anyway. We get the media filtered version for the most part - except for official releases that are government filtered.

Agree with this. It's sad everything these days is a political football.


Yep. Can't trust anything you read and half of what you see.
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Jack Bauer said:

I support any American citizen's right to protest, even if I disagree with their position. But this to me is over the line.




And no one around this guy is trying to de-escalate the talk as the video is taken. I hope someone intervened at some point.
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Sorry. There will be no more Derek Chauvin style human sacrifices made to appease the communists.

If you value living in a first world country and want your children to inherit a better country than you did, now is the time to remove your "diappies" and put on your big boy pants.

Unity on the right and between people who truly care about America is needed now more than ever with the communist orcs at the proverial parapets.
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It's an almost impossible job for these agents with all the constant chaos around them

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Can we at least execute the white terrorists? Isnt the left on board with ending "whiteness"?

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Welcome to Trump world. Fistly, this doesn't happen without fish lip pigman wasn't in the WH. He has sowed unbelievable division in this country. secondly, the guy had a conceal and carry and was stripped of his lawful weapon and shot 10 times. 10 effing times. You Maga are all about the conceal and carry which I support, but have an issue here. So disingenuous. The Ice guy should have the gun turned on him and shot between the eye . That twat Noem has to GTFO
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ATL Bear said:

Realitybites said:

ATL Bear said:

Deescalate in Minneapolis and reassess tactics. Whatever spin you want to apply doesn't matter. Both citizens and law enforcement agents are in danger. There are plenty of other places to target in the U.S., and many other approaches than doing show of force tactics. If you don't, it is a virtual guarantee that more of both (citizens and LE) will be harmed. Sometimes the bigger picture has to be assessed.


What you are recommending is standing down in the face of a communist insurrection in blue state Minnesota. You *never* stand down in the face of a communist insurrection. You go full Franco. If you don't, welcome to Russia 1917.

Yesterday these cretins tried taking over the airport.

This is no more an insurrection than Jan 6. Give me a f-n break.

yes, it is, on multiple levels. It's not a one-time demonstration that turned into a riot. It's a sustained, nationwide effort, well funded by NGOS and led by elected Democrats who are explicitly calling for crowds to resist resist resist.....to obstruct routine law enforcement operations, to physically intimidate federal government officials for political reasons.

So it not only encroaches on insurrection. It's putting a shadow on the definition of terrorism.
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J.R. said:

Welcome to Trump world. Fistly, this doesn't happen without fish lip pigman wasn't in the WH. He has sowed unbelievable division in this country. secondly, the guy had a conceal and carry and was stripped of his lawful weapon and shot 10 times. 10 effing times. You Maga are all about the conceal and carry which I support, but have an issue here. So disingenuous. The Ice guy should have the gun turned on him and shot between the eye . That twat Noem has to GTFO

LOL it's just amazing how hard you work to go lower than Trump.
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whiterock said:

J.R. said:

Welcome to Trump world. Fistly, this doesn't happen without fish lip pigman wasn't in the WH. He has sowed unbelievable division in this country. secondly, the guy had a conceal and carry and was stripped of his lawful weapon and shot 10 times. 10 effing times. You Maga are all about the conceal and carry which I support, but have an issue here. So disingenuous. The Ice guy should have the gun turned on him and shot between the eye . That twat Noem has to GTFO

LOL it's just amazing how hard you work to go lower than Trump.

eff off simpleton! you aint smart
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whiterock said:

J.R. said:

Welcome to Trump world. Fistly, this doesn't happen without fish lip pigman wasn't in the WH. He has sowed unbelievable division in this country. secondly, the guy had a conceal and carry and was stripped of his lawful weapon and shot 10 times. 10 effing times. You Maga are all about the conceal and carry which I support, but have an issue here. So disingenuous. The Ice guy should have the gun turned on him and shot between the eye . That twat Noem has to GTFO

LOL it's just amazing how hard you work to go lower than Trump.

Have some sympathy. Poor guy had to drive through the snow for three days to be alone and cold at the CEFCO.
 
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