303Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

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I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

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I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Incorrect.

303Bear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

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I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Because it is not unreasonable to consider that the organized militias are launching an insurrection there to detract from the massive fraud cases.

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Not unreasonable to consider, sure. But many here and elsewhere online (yourself included with the "organized militia" label) are making sweeping conclusory statements about the motives of all protesting against ICE and declaring it an insurrection.

Is ICE specifically targeting the immigrants involved in the fraud? Have they apprehended anyone who has been responsible for any of the fraud that has (or may have) occurred? Is ICE even involved in the welfare fraud investigation? If the answer is "no" which I suspect it is, then bringing up the fraud is just another red herring to try to manufacture a post hoc rationale for ICE's deployment in such massive numbers to a city with a relatively small illegal immigrant population, but leadership at both the city and state level that has been openly hostile to the Trump Admin.

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How many on January 6th were just people who followed the crowd inside but were later labeled as insurrectionists and sent to prison?

Sam Lowry said:

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

---

I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Incorrect.

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Then please explain why we are not running around the world enforcing the constitution if it applies to all people?

It has been incorrectly deemed to apply to non citizens by idiot leftist judges but it does not apply to non citizens and they do not have the same protections as citizens.

cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

---

I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Not sure what is more shocking; that you somehow managed to be more wrong the second time, or that someone actually starred this post.

303Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

---

This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

---

I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Not sure what is more shocking; that you somehow managed to be more wrong the second time, or that someone actually starred this post.

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And yet you can't seem to answer a question but instead go off on a tangent.

Sam Lowry said:

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

---

I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Incorrect.

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Bcs some stupid low IQ ******* Judge decided it hundreds of years after the constitution doesn't mean it's right.

The founding fathers never intended the bill of rights to apply to non-citizens and that is very clear bcs it never extended to slaves or Indians.

You leftists corrupt our laws and institutions and twist them into grotesque caricatures of themselves.

Any Supreme Court that was filled with competent Judges would reverse constitutional rights applying to non citizens.

It's unconstitutional and worthy of a revolution honestly.

Good to see state and local police involved tonight

NOW: Anti-ICE Protesters pushed back away from hotel by Local and State Police as they hold noise demo to protest Gregory Bovino, who they suspect is staying in the Springhill Suites Hotel pic.twitter.com/gHVw452W4f

— Oliya Scootercaster 🛴 (@ScooterCasterNY) January 27, 2026

cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

---

This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

---

I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Because it is not unreasonable to consider that the organized militias are launching an insurrection there to detract from the massive fraud cases.

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Not unreasonable to consider, sure. But many here and elsewhere online (yourself included with the "organized militia" label) are making sweeping conclusory statements about the motives of all protesting against ICE and declaring it an insurrection.

Is ICE specifically targeting the immigrants involved in the fraud? Have they apprehended anyone who has been responsible for any of the fraud that has (or may have) occurred? Is ICE even involved in the welfare fraud investigation? If the answer is "no" which I suspect it is, then bringing up the fraud is just another red herring to try to manufacture a post hoc rationale for ICE's deployment in such massive numbers to a city with a relatively small illegal immigrant population, but leadership at both the city and state level that has been openly hostile to the Trump Admin.

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How many on January 6th were just people who followed the crowd inside but were later labeled as insurrectionists and sent to prison?

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It is fascinating how fast the sides swapped the "but J6!!!!" response to every challenge to a policy or action.


While entirely unrelated to anything to do with ICE, MN or what is going on in the country today, I have no idea, I wasnt there.

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cowboycwr said:

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cowboycwr said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

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I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Incorrect.

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Then please explain why we are not running around the world enforcing the constitution if it applies to all people?

It has been incorrectly deemed to apply to non citizens by idiot leftist judges but it does not apply to non citizens and they do not have the same protections as citizens.

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Because the whole world isn't under our jurisdiction (as much as Trump might like it to be).

NEW - 8th Circuit Court of Appeals rules in favor of Trump admin allowing ICE agents to arrest, detain, pepper-spray or retaliate against violent anti-ICE rioters, in Minneapolis, without probable cause — Fox

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) January 27, 2026

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

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I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Incorrect.

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Bcs some stupid low IQ ******* Judge decided it hundreds of years after the constitution doesn't mean it's right.

The founding fathers never intended the bill of rights to apply to non-citizens and that is very clear bcs it never extended to slaves or Indians.

You leftists corrupt our laws and institutions and twist them into grotesque caricatures of themselves.

Any Supreme Court that was filled with competent Judges would reverse constitutional rights applying to non citizens.

It's unconstitutional and worthy of a revolution honestly.

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"just because the law is the law, that doesnt mean its the law!" Great argument.

Feel free to bring a case and challenge the application of constitutional rights to non-citizens if you have standing. It is a right that you have due to the *checks notes* Constitution.

Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

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I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Incorrect.

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Then please explain why we are not running around the world enforcing the constitution if it applies to all people?

It has been incorrectly deemed to apply to non citizens by idiot leftist judges but it does not apply to non citizens and they do not have the same protections as citizens.

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Because the whole world isn't under our jurisdiction (as much as Trump might like it to be).

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But false if the constitution applies to non citizens. It either applies to all or none.

Can't have it both ways.

HAPPENING NOW 🚨: Community is gathered here at the memorial site of Alex Pretti, and are singing with a live band in his memory.

Minneapolis, MN 📍 pic.twitter.com/Rhi1KQcAB6

— Anthony (@anthonycabassa) January 27, 2026

Harrison Bergeron said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

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I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Because it is not unreasonable to consider that the organized militias are launching an insurrection there to detract from the massive fraud cases.

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Not unreasonable to consider, sure. But many here and elsewhere online (yourself included with the "organized militia" label) are making sweeping conclusory statements about the motives of all protesting against ICE and declaring it an insurrection.

Is ICE specifically targeting the immigrants involved in the fraud? Have they apprehended anyone who has been responsible for any of the fraud that has (or may have) occurred? Is ICE even involved in the welfare fraud investigation? If the answer is "no" which I suspect it is, then bringing up the fraud is just another red herring to try to manufacture a post hoc rationale for ICE's deployment in such massive numbers to a city with a relatively small illegal immigrant population, but leadership at both the city and state level that has been openly hostile to the Trump Admin.

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How many on January 6th were just people who followed the crowd inside but were later labeled as insurrectionists and sent to prison?

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January Sixth has them in a pickle because of all the hysterics they made about resisting the government is a THREAT TO DEMOCRACY and cheering the killing of an unarmed veteran by a Capitol Police officer. This is one of the 1,000-times where they're constant changing principles and views look silly. It's is similar to when Merrick Garland named anti-groomer school board parents as the biggest domestic terrorists ... but anti-government militias are awesome?

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You seem like a thoughtful guy, so I'll take a shot at explaining it to you ...

Leftists generally rely on emotional histrionics rather than reason because that is more understandable to its low-information base. So rather than making nuanced arguments they make these broad, emotional proclamations like January Sixth was a THREAT TO DEMOCRACY and an INSURRECTION and celebrate and make fun of the killing of an unarmed veteran.

Suddenly - because of TDS - they're outraged by the killing of an armed anjti-government militia member and have no problem with global billionaires and foreign governments funding an insurrection against the government.

They don't care because the oligarch media always covers for them, but that's the problem with making these broad, hysterical proclamations.

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boognish_bear said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

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I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Incorrect.

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Bcs some stupid low IQ ******* Judge decided it hundreds of years after the constitution doesn't mean it's right.

The founding fathers never intended the bill of rights to apply to non-citizens and that is very clear bcs it never extended to slaves or Indians.

You leftists corrupt our laws and institutions and twist them into grotesque caricatures of themselves.

Any Supreme Court that was filled with competent Judges would reverse constitutional rights applying to non citizens.

It's unconstitutional and worthy of a revolution honestly.

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"just because the law is the law, that doesnt mean its the law!" Great argument.

Feel free to bring a case and challenge the application of constitutional rights to non-citizens if you have standing. It is a right that you have due to the *checks notes* Constitution.

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A right he has because he is a citizen.

303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

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I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Incorrect.

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Bcs some stupid low IQ ******* Judge decided it hundreds of years after the constitution doesn't mean it's right.

The founding fathers never intended the bill of rights to apply to non-citizens and that is very clear bcs it never extended to slaves or Indians.

You leftists corrupt our laws and institutions and twist them into grotesque caricatures of themselves.

Any Supreme Court that was filled with competent Judges would reverse constitutional rights applying to non citizens.

It's unconstitutional and worthy of a revolution honestly.

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"just because the law is the law, that doesnt mean its the law!" Great argument.

Feel free to bring a case and challenge the application of constitutional rights to non-citizens if you have standing. It is a right that you have due to the *checks notes* Constitution.

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Nope.

You are really slow arent you?

Show me precisely where the founders wrote "oh btw these rights apply to non-citizens"

You cant and they didn't nor did they intend to. Otherwise they would have applied to slaves and indians, which they didnt.

It was leftist Judges destroying the constitution and creating their own unconstitutional laws.

*Edit*
I'm not talking about legal residents, I am talking about illegal non-citizens

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303Bear said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

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I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Not sure what is more shocking; that you somehow managed to be more wrong the second time, or that someone actually starred this post.

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And yet you can't seem to answer a question but instead go off on a tangent.

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You could google it but I am happy to oblige for the sake of I have nothing better to do with my time.

1. The Constitution applies to non-citizens generally. This was first established in 1903 under the Fuller court. Far from some radical, Melville Fuller was quite conservative and his court was far from activist. This general notion has been affirmed and expanded by numerous SCOTUS decisions over the years and has not been seriously challenged ever to my knowledge. There are certain limitations, but everyone in the US gets general civil rights under our constitution, even those here illegally.

2. We dont police the world because we lack generally lack jurisdiction outside of our borders (with the exception of crimes against the US, and the apprehension of individuals with active federal arrest warrants - this is the basis the admin is going with for calling the capture of Maduro legal, we will see where that goes but based on existing precedent, they are probably right).

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

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I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Incorrect.

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Then please explain why we are not running around the world enforcing the constitution if it applies to all people?

It has been incorrectly deemed to apply to non citizens by idiot leftist judges but it does not apply to non citizens and they do not have the same protections as citizens.

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Because the whole world isn't under our jurisdiction (as much as Trump might like it to be).

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But false if the constitution applies to non citizens. It either applies to all or none.

Can't have it both ways.

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I mean, that's certainly a concept.

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The_barBEARian said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

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I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Not sure what is more shocking; that you somehow managed to be more wrong the second time, or that someone actually starred this post.

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And yet you can't seem to answer a question but instead go off on a tangent.

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You could google it but I am happy to oblige for the sake of I have nothing better to do with my time.

1. The Constitution applies to non-citizens generally. This was first established in 1903 under the Fuller court. Far from some radical, Melville Fuller was quite conservative and his court was far from activist. This general notion has been affirmed and expanded by numerous SCOTUS decisions over the years and has not been seriously challenged ever to my knowledge. There are certain limitations, but everyone in the US gets general civil rights under our constitution, even those here illegally.

2. We dont police the world because we lack generally lack jurisdiction outside of our borders (with the exception of crimes against the US, and the apprehension of individuals with active federal arrest warrants - this is the basis the admin is going with for calling the capture of Maduro legal, we will see where that goes but based on existing precedent, they are probably right).

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Compared to a lot of the morons on here, I really appreciate your posts although I may not always agree with you politically. I appreciate the logical specificity (not that anyone really cares).

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So the folks who ignored the law so they could come here, can ignore the law to stay here, because you want rights to work that way.

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What an obtuse misunderstanding of what has been said here.

I don't particularly care how rights work as long as they protect people from government abuse and overreach (regardless of who is in the Whitehouse or controls Congress) but they work how they work under established law and SCOTUS precedent.

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303Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

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I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Incorrect.

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Bcs some stupid low IQ ******* Judge decided it hundreds of years after the constitution doesn't mean it's right.

The founding fathers never intended the bill of rights to apply to non-citizens and that is very clear bcs it never extended to slaves or Indians.

You leftists corrupt our laws and institutions and twist them into grotesque caricatures of themselves.

Any Supreme Court that was filled with competent Judges would reverse constitutional rights applying to non citizens.

It's unconstitutional and worthy of a revolution honestly.

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"just because the law is the law, that doesnt mean its the law!" Great argument.

Feel free to bring a case and challenge the application of constitutional rights to non-citizens if you have standing. It is a right that you have due to the *checks notes* Constitution.

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I'm not talking about legal residents, I am talking about illegal non-citizens

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Then you just torpedoed your own argument. The Constitution doesn't specifically say anything about legal residents, either.

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cowboycwr said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

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I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Not sure what is more shocking; that you somehow managed to be more wrong the second time, or that someone actually starred this post.

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And yet you can't seem to answer a question but instead go off on a tangent.

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You could google it but I am happy to oblige for the sake of I have nothing better to do with my time.

1. The Constitution applies to non-citizens generally. This was first established in 1903 under the Fuller court. Far from some radical, Melville Fuller was quite conservative and his court was far from activist. This general notion has been affirmed and expanded by numerous SCOTUS decisions over the years and has not been seriously challenged ever to my knowledge. There are certain limitations, but everyone in the US gets general civil rights under our constitution, even those here illegally.

2. We dont police the world because we lack generally lack jurisdiction outside of our borders (with the exception of crimes against the US, and the apprehension of individuals with active federal arrest warrants - this is the basis the admin is going with for calling the capture of Maduro legal, we will see where that goes but based on existing precedent, they are probably right).

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Compared to a lot of the morons on here, I really appreciate your posts although I may not always agree with you politically. I appreciate the logical specificity (not that anyone really cares).

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I appreciate your appreciation. We all need to talk more and resist the tendency to get tribal.

Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

---

I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Incorrect.

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Then please explain why we are not running around the world enforcing the constitution if it applies to all people?

It has been incorrectly deemed to apply to non citizens by idiot leftist judges but it does not apply to non citizens and they do not have the same protections as citizens.

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Because the whole world isn't under our jurisdiction (as much as Trump might like it to be).

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But false if the constitution applies to non citizens. It either applies to all or none.

Can't have it both ways.

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I mean, that's certainly a concept.

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What a great argument. You clearly convinced me…

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

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I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Not sure what is more shocking; that you somehow managed to be more wrong the second time, or that someone actually starred this post.

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And yet you can't seem to answer a question but instead go off on a tangent.

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You could google it but I am happy to oblige for the sake of I have nothing better to do with my time.

1. The Constitution applies to non-citizens generally. This was first established in 1903 under the Fuller court. Far from some radical, Melville Fuller was quite conservative and his court was far from activist. This general notion has been affirmed and expanded by numerous SCOTUS decisions over the years and has not been seriously challenged ever to my knowledge. There are certain limitations, but everyone in the US gets general civil rights under our constitution, even those here illegally.

2. We dont police the world because we lack generally lack jurisdiction outside of our borders (with the exception of crimes against the US, and the apprehension of individuals with active federal arrest warrants - this is the basis the admin is going with for calling the capture of Maduro legal, we will see where that goes but based on existing precedent, they are probably right).

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Compared to a lot of the morons on here, I really appreciate your posts although I may not always agree with you politically. I appreciate the logical specificity (not that anyone really cares).

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What is you definition of "moron"?

Does it mean exceptionally intelligent?

Literally nothing in his above post was specific.

He didnt reference a single case.

I just check Fuller wiki and he actually ruled the exact opposite in Downes v Bidwell where they found people from newly conquered territories were not citizens and consitutional rights did not apply to them.

Makes me think he lazily got this from chat gpt or grok.

Excellent response to Leftists' insurrection for illegals:

To my leftist friends:

I do not care that a leftist agitator got himself killed because he decided to arm himself with a gun and venture out to resist ICE, nor the other one who sped her car at an ICE agent while fleeing arrest, nor do I care about the little kid who was…

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) January 25, 2026

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cowboycwr said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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303Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

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I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Not sure what is more shocking; that you somehow managed to be more wrong the second time, or that someone actually starred this post.

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And yet you can't seem to answer a question but instead go off on a tangent.

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You could google it but I am happy to oblige for the sake of I have nothing better to do with my time.

1. The Constitution applies to non-citizens generally. This was first established in 1903 under the Fuller court. Far from some radical, Melville Fuller was quite conservative and his court was far from activist. This general notion has been affirmed and expanded by numerous SCOTUS decisions over the years and has not been seriously challenged ever to my knowledge. There are certain limitations, but everyone in the US gets general civil rights under our constitution, even those here illegally.

2. We dont police the world because we lack generally lack jurisdiction outside of our borders (with the exception of crimes against the US, and the apprehension of individuals with active federal arrest warrants - this is the basis the admin is going with for calling the capture of Maduro legal, we will see where that goes but based on existing precedent, they are probably right).

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1. And what part of the constitution did this guy make the decision that it applies to non citizens. Specifically what words did he find that say "this document applies to non citizens." It doesn't say that. So he has decided it applies and no one has yet challenged it.

Courts once said slaves were not citizens. They once said the constitution did not apply to slaves or native Americans. Courts can be wrong.

2. So we don't police the world but you are saying that the constitution applies to the whole world. Got it.

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Take a constitutional law class, people practice it their entire lives and can only scratch the surface. I am not going to write you a treatise on procedural due process because you wont google settled law.

As for slaves, is that really an argument you want to make? They were not originally offered constitutional protection because they were not legally people in the United States. Slaves were considered chattel property (other than for census and congressional apportionment, where they were considered 3/5 of a person to the sole benefit of the south).

Your number 2 is literally the exact opposite of what I am saying. The constitution (at least some/most of it) applies to all US states and territories and the people in them. A person from Mexico who never enters the US is entitled to no constitutional rights. Once here though, they are granted general protection. If a tourist from Europe is arrested for drunk driving, we dont automatically throw them in jail, they are still entitled to a trial under the 5th amendment just like anyone else.

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The very first part of any contract, and the Constitution is a contract, is definitions. It's not possible to apply a contract to people not signatory to that contract, which means it's not possible to apply rights or responsibilities to people who are not citizens.

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Which would mean it's not possible to arrest them or charge them with a crime, since they have no responsibility to obey the law.

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That Truth Social post from Trump is good to see. That should help to turn the temperature down.

Senior Trump official bungled the admin response to Pretti’s tragic death this weekend — but POTUS knows politics, sees the writing on wall & and is clearly stepping in to try to right the ship quickly.

In the past 15 hrs, POTUS has:

>declined to defend the agent who killed… https://t.co/GbWPjMgrs8

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 26, 2026

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This white ***** is reading things into his post.... but she brings up a interesting point. Trump needs to stand behind the officer involved in this shooting. If they sacrifice another officer to the communists to cleanse themselves of any blame then I and many others will sit out the midterms. Republicans need to support our ICE officers the way the left supports their domestic terrorists and antifa foot soldiers.

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Way to start from a position of reasoned sexism.

So do the same thing that former presidents (Obama with the "acted stupidly" comments, as a singular example) did, but in a way you support, despite the pendency of any investigation or any evidence to the contrary.

Can you provide any actual evidence of the deceased being part of any domestic terrorist cell or a member of antifa?

If investigating and possibly holding ICE officers who pursued three people across a street, pushed two of them to the ground (both women - I thought defense of women was a big thing on the right the last few years) then shot another US citizen 5+ times (i have seen the number be high as 10, but I have not seen it confirmed how many rounds actually hit his body) accountable is a " sacrifice [of] another officer to the communists" then we might as well pack it up and all give up on governmental accountability at any level.

For the record, I dont think Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, so I look forward to addressing a different irrelevant deflection you will undoubtedly raise.

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I'm more concerned with Somalia Gangster accountability right now and the billions in fraud that the American tax payer is expected to pay for.

The guy was a cancer to this nation and I'm happy he's dead. I'm going to pretend like everyone else on this board that it is a shame that my enemy, who wouldn't give a **** about myself or my family getting robbed or murdered by illegal criminals, got shot and killed for provoking, harassing, and physically assaulting ICE officers.

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What does welfare fraud have to do with the ICE operations in MN? Most of the names I have seen of those arrested are Hispanic with very few Somali's here and there. Is ICE required to investigate the fraud? Why even bring that up in this discussion? Welfare fraud can be bad (it is, its rampant and needs to be curbed) and other things can still be true.

Sad you are happy another person is dead just because he didn't agree with your politics on a singular issue (and maybe he did generally agree, just not with the current federal approach to arresting illegals (and a few hundred/thousand citizens without warrant or basis - but what are constitutional violations if I like the policy and optics)). Seems like you have a very binary and non-critical view of the situation. Thats too bad.

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Welfare fraud has everything to do here because it has been reported many of those doing the fraud are not citizens.

Non citizens don't get constitutional rights.

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The bolded is just factually and legally incorrect.

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No it is factually correct and legally correct.

Otherwise why are we not running all over the world to arrest those who are violating our constitution???

Because the constitution only applies to citizens.

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Incorrect.

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Bcs some stupid low IQ ******* Judge decided it hundreds of years after the constitution doesn't mean it's right.

The founding fathers never intended the bill of rights to apply to non-citizens and that is very clear bcs it never extended to slaves or Indians.

You leftists corrupt our laws and institutions and twist them into grotesque caricatures of themselves.

Any Supreme Court that was filled with competent Judges would reverse constitutional rights applying to non citizens.

It's unconstitutional and worthy of a revolution honestly.

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"just because the law is the law, that doesnt mean its the law!" Great argument.

Feel free to bring a case and challenge the application of constitutional rights to non-citizens if you have standing. It is a right that you have due to the *checks notes* Constitution.

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I'm not talking about legal residents, I am talking about illegal non-citizens

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Then you just torpedoed your own argument. The Constitution doesn't specifically say anything about legal residents, either.

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Fair point.

You are right.

I revert back to my first position. Constitutional rights don't apply to either legal residents or illegals.

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The very first part of any contract, and the Constitution is a contract, is definitions. It's not possible to apply a contract to people not signatory to that contract, which means it's not possible to apply rights or responsibilities to people who are not citizens.

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Which would mean it's not possible to arrest them or charge them with a crime, since they have no responsibility to obey the law.

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Of course it's possible to arrest criminals. And the idea that you can ignore the consequences of your actions, well, we see where that goes.

Silly you would think otherwise.

Or would you prefer we treat them as invaders, or combatants?