Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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Ahem…..

CBS NEWS: "A record number of detainees are giving up their cases and voluntarily leaving the country... That figure only appears to be climbing." 👍🏻 pic.twitter.com/zv4OVq6RXP

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) February 12, 2026

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That is great. Voluntary is good! Now if we can just get past shooting protesters it will be perfect!

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if protestors stay unarmed and out of the way, they won't get shot.

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In both cases, the ICE Agents went into the crowds or approached the protestors. Maybe if they hired real candidates, not January 6th pardoned people and trained them properly. You know more than 47 days in honor of Donald being the 47th President, it wouldn't be an issue. 32 in a year, that is high. Many Police forces don't have that many shootings in a year.

ALSO, the States should be cooperating on the Jails and the Police arrests, MN brought some of this on themselves.

Tom Homan can't be everywhere. He seems to be the only one in ICE with a head on his shoulders...

We both agree on the Policy and Mission. Just use some nuance with non-criminals...

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you are now reordering reality. Each of the shot protestors actively, purposely interfered (while armed with deadly weapons) with Federal LE operations.

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Yes, and they should have been arrested. No one is arguing that. They were wrong and if still in jail it would be justified. We are talking proportional response, neither of those had to be shot in the street.

Those situations were not handled properly, even Trump and Holman acknowledge that they could use a "softer touch". There is blame to go around here. I am sure the after-action will identify-
1 - The protestors were in the wrong.
2 - ICE Agents did not handle crowd control well, didn't de-escalate and used excessive force.
3 - MN should allow access to jails and let local law enforcement work with the Feds

You have been in after-actions, it is never one side is totally wrong and the other is totally right. They are usually a bunch of cascading events that could have been handled differently in hindsight. And every after-action comes up with improvements to handle differently to avoid someone dying.

I disagree MN not allowing access and I agree with Holman that it is the safest way to do this. I do give credit to Holmon for changing tactics. I give Trump credit for recognizing a "softer touch" is needed. We just seem to focus on the negatives, which is normal.

But, to say ICE was right, protestors wrong is not accurate.

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If a cop feels that their life is in danger while someone is attempting to run them over with a car.... that is a justified shooting.

If a cop is wrestling with a man and another cop yells "gun" and then the mam reaches into his waistband... i don't expect the cop to wait for the violent man to start shooting at him.

These two people were not innocent victims. They were both violent offenders.

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No one said they were innocent, just not shot. The issue is proportional response for US Law Enforcement. This isn't a military operation where the ROE is set to eliminate threats. This is law enforcement.

Of the two, I can agree with you on the lady in the car as it seems the most likely to give the Officer the benefit of the doubt. He used wrong techniques and placed himself in the wrong place, but when struck I can see how that can lead to 4 shots.

The other one was just wrong, the gun was licensed and holstered. ICE removed it. IF you are a 2nd Amendment believer I don't see how you can say having it is justifiable cause to shoot. He should have been arrested, not killed.

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Heat of the moment....

It's easy to say such things now, but in that moment the cop who pulled the trigger didn't know that someone else had removed the gun.
The cop who removed the gun was supposed to yell out that he had secured the weapon. Instead he only yelled out "gun", so the others thought the criminal had the gun in his hands. His hands were not secured. It was logical to hear that call out, see his hands near his waist, and assume he was drawing or holding a gun.

The reality is that no one with half a brain gets involved in a police action and then fights with cops while they are carrying a concealed gun.
Only a suicidal moron does that.... and such a person is a deadly threat to everyone around him. If he doesn't care enough to keep himself out of a deadly situation, then it's very likely that he could be wanting to commit a murder/suicide event.

This was the 2nd time (at least) that he carried a gun while physically engaging with ICE Agents. This guy was suicidal at best. Homicidal is most likely.... potential mass shooter at worst.

People need to stop making him out to be a martyr.... he was a criminal.

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Well, we used to be innocent into proven guilty. But, even moving beyond that. We will agree he committed a criminal act, he did not deserve a death sentence for what he did. He was also an ICU Nurse at the VA taking care of veterans, if we want to measure value...

ICE made him a martyr. He should be getting out after his month stay in jail for kicking the car.

Heat of the moment is what you train for, so you don't lose it. But, not a lot you can do in 47 days. They pushed those guys in the field and it blew up in their faces, literally. People that should be doing community service after going to court are dead.

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He had plenty of time to train seeing that he was unemployed.

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More alternative facts.

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You're right, the unemployed violent nutjob didn't really have enough time to train properly. 5 month unemployed isn't nearly enough time.

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Disinformation.

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FLBear5630 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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Ahem…..

CBS NEWS: "A record number of detainees are giving up their cases and voluntarily leaving the country... That figure only appears to be climbing." 👍🏻 pic.twitter.com/zv4OVq6RXP

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) February 12, 2026

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That is great. Voluntary is good! Now if we can just get past shooting protesters it will be perfect!

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if protestors stay unarmed and out of the way, they won't get shot.

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In both cases, the ICE Agents went into the crowds or approached the protestors. Maybe if they hired real candidates, not January 6th pardoned people and trained them properly. You know more than 47 days in honor of Donald being the 47th President, it wouldn't be an issue. 32 in a year, that is high. Many Police forces don't have that many shootings in a year.

ALSO, the States should be cooperating on the Jails and the Police arrests, MN brought some of this on themselves.

Tom Homan can't be everywhere. He seems to be the only one in ICE with a head on his shoulders...

We both agree on the Policy and Mission. Just use some nuance with non-criminals...

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you are now reordering reality. Each of the shot protestors actively, purposely interfered (while armed with deadly weapons) with Federal LE operations.

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Yes, and they should have been arrested. No one is arguing that. They were wrong and if still in jail it would be justified. We are talking proportional response, neither of those had to be shot in the street.

Those situations were not handled properly, even Trump and Holman acknowledge that they could use a "softer touch". There is blame to go around here. I am sure the after-action will identify-
1 - The protestors were in the wrong.
2 - ICE Agents did not handle crowd control well, didn't de-escalate and used excessive force.
3 - MN should allow access to jails and let local law enforcement work with the Feds

You have been in after-actions, it is never one side is totally wrong and the other is totally right. They are usually a bunch of cascading events that could have been handled differently in hindsight. And every after-action comes up with improvements to handle differently to avoid someone dying.

I disagree MN not allowing access and I agree with Holman that it is the safest way to do this. I do give credit to Holmon for changing tactics. I give Trump credit for recognizing a "softer touch" is needed. We just seem to focus on the negatives, which is normal.

But, to say ICE was right, protestors wrong is not accurate.

---

If a cop feels that their life is in danger while someone is attempting to run them over with a car.... that is a justified shooting.

If a cop is wrestling with a man and another cop yells "gun" and then the mam reaches into his waistband... i don't expect the cop to wait for the violent man to start shooting at him.

These two people were not innocent victims. They were both violent offenders.

---

No one said they were innocent, just not shot. The issue is proportional response for US Law Enforcement. This isn't a military operation where the ROE is set to eliminate threats. This is law enforcement.

Of the two, I can agree with you on the lady in the car as it seems the most likely to give the Officer the benefit of the doubt. He used wrong techniques and placed himself in the wrong place, but when struck I can see how that can lead to 4 shots.

The other one was just wrong, the gun was licensed and holstered. ICE removed it. IF you are a 2nd Amendment believer I don't see how you can say having it is justifiable cause to shoot. He should have been arrested, not killed.

---

Heat of the moment....

It's easy to say such things now, but in that moment the cop who pulled the trigger didn't know that someone else had removed the gun.
The cop who removed the gun was supposed to yell out that he had secured the weapon. Instead he only yelled out "gun", so the others thought the criminal had the gun in his hands. His hands were not secured. It was logical to hear that call out, see his hands near his waist, and assume he was drawing or holding a gun.

The reality is that no one with half a brain gets involved in a police action and then fights with cops while they are carrying a concealed gun.
Only a suicidal moron does that.... and such a person is a deadly threat to everyone around him. If he doesn't care enough to keep himself out of a deadly situation, then it's very likely that he could be wanting to commit a murder/suicide event.

This was the 2nd time (at least) that he carried a gun while physically engaging with ICE Agents. This guy was suicidal at best. Homicidal is most likely.... potential mass shooter at worst.

People need to stop making him out to be a martyr.... he was a criminal.

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Well, we used to be innocent into proven guilty. But, even moving beyond that. We will agree he committed a criminal act, he did not deserve a death sentence for what he did. He was also an ICU Nurse at the VA taking care of veterans, if we want to measure value...

ICE made him a martyr. He should be getting out after his month stay in jail for kicking the car.

Heat of the moment is what you train for, so you don't lose it. But, not a lot you can do in 47 days. They pushed those guys in the field and it blew up in their faces, literally. People that should be doing community service after going to court are dead.

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FLBear5630 said:

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We are good.

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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We are good.

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One other thing we can both agree on.... I'm not happy that these people are dead. I hope mayors & sheriffs around the nation will realize that refusing to deploy officers for crowd control, is extremely dangerous for their citizens. They don't have to participate in the ICE raids but they need to keep the protestors from engaging with the ICE Agents in ways that are deadly & dangerous.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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Ahem…..

CBS NEWS: "A record number of detainees are giving up their cases and voluntarily leaving the country... That figure only appears to be climbing." 👍🏻 pic.twitter.com/zv4OVq6RXP

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) February 12, 2026

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That is great. Voluntary is good! Now if we can just get past shooting protesters it will be perfect!

---

if protestors stay unarmed and out of the way, they won't get shot.

---

In both cases, the ICE Agents went into the crowds or approached the protestors. Maybe if they hired real candidates, not January 6th pardoned people and trained them properly. You know more than 47 days in honor of Donald being the 47th President, it wouldn't be an issue. 32 in a year, that is high. Many Police forces don't have that many shootings in a year.

ALSO, the States should be cooperating on the Jails and the Police arrests, MN brought some of this on themselves.

Tom Homan can't be everywhere. He seems to be the only one in ICE with a head on his shoulders...

We both agree on the Policy and Mission. Just use some nuance with non-criminals...

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you are now reordering reality. Each of the shot protestors actively, purposely interfered (while armed with deadly weapons) with Federal LE operations.

---

Yes, and they should have been arrested. No one is arguing that. They were wrong and if still in jail it would be justified. We are talking proportional response, neither of those had to be shot in the street.

Those situations were not handled properly, even Trump and Holman acknowledge that they could use a "softer touch". There is blame to go around here. I am sure the after-action will identify-
1 - The protestors were in the wrong.
2 - ICE Agents did not handle crowd control well, didn't de-escalate and used excessive force.
3 - MN should allow access to jails and let local law enforcement work with the Feds

You have been in after-actions, it is never one side is totally wrong and the other is totally right. They are usually a bunch of cascading events that could have been handled differently in hindsight. And every after-action comes up with improvements to handle differently to avoid someone dying.

I disagree MN not allowing access and I agree with Holman that it is the safest way to do this. I do give credit to Holmon for changing tactics. I give Trump credit for recognizing a "softer touch" is needed. We just seem to focus on the negatives, which is normal.

But, to say ICE was right, protestors wrong is not accurate.

---

If a cop feels that their life is in danger while someone is attempting to run them over with a car.... that is a justified shooting.

If a cop is wrestling with a man and another cop yells "gun" and then the mam reaches into his waistband... i don't expect the cop to wait for the violent man to start shooting at him.

These two people were not innocent victims. They were both violent offenders.

---

No one said they were innocent, just not shot. The issue is proportional response for US Law Enforcement. This isn't a military operation where the ROE is set to eliminate threats. This is law enforcement.

Of the two, I can agree with you on the lady in the car as it seems the most likely to give the Officer the benefit of the doubt. He used wrong techniques and placed himself in the wrong place, but when struck I can see how that can lead to 4 shots.

The other one was just wrong, the gun was licensed and holstered. ICE removed it. IF you are a 2nd Amendment believer I don't see how you can say having it is justifiable cause to shoot. He should have been arrested, not killed.

---

Heat of the moment....

It's easy to say such things now, but in that moment the cop who pulled the trigger didn't know that someone else had removed the gun.
The cop who removed the gun was supposed to yell out that he had secured the weapon. Instead he only yelled out "gun", so the others thought the criminal had the gun in his hands. His hands were not secured. It was logical to hear that call out, see his hands near his waist, and assume he was drawing or holding a gun.

The reality is that no one with half a brain gets involved in a police action and then fights with cops while they are carrying a concealed gun.
Only a suicidal moron does that.... and such a person is a deadly threat to everyone around him. If he doesn't care enough to keep himself out of a deadly situation, then it's very likely that he could be wanting to commit a murder/suicide event.

This was the 2nd time (at least) that he carried a gun while physically engaging with ICE Agents. This guy was suicidal at best. Homicidal is most likely.... potential mass shooter at worst.

People need to stop making him out to be a martyr.... he was a criminal.

---

Well, we used to be innocent into proven guilty. But, even moving beyond that. We will agree he committed a criminal act, he did not deserve a death sentence for what he did. He was also an ICU Nurse at the VA taking care of veterans, if we want to measure value...

ICE made him a martyr. He should be getting out after his month stay in jail for kicking the car.

Heat of the moment is what you train for, so you don't lose it. But, not a lot you can do in 47 days. They pushed those guys in the field and it blew up in their faces, literally. People that should be doing community service after going to court are dead.

---

He had plenty of time to train seeing that he was unemployed.

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More alternative facts.

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You're right, the unemployed violent nutjob didn't really have enough time to train properly. 5 month unemployed isn't nearly enough time.

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Disinformation.

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He was not unemployed. Yeah, they will make up "facts" rather than admit they were wrong.


https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c3942ddg3zjt#:~:text=We%20could%20not%20find%20any,debunked%20a%20few%20weeks%20ago.

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FLBear5630 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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We are good.

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One other thing we can both agree on.... I'm not happy that these people are dead. I hope mayors & sheriffs around the nation will realize that refusing to deploy officers for crowd control, is extremely dangerous for their citizens. They don't have to participate in the ICE raids but they need to keep the protestors from engaging with the ICE Agents in ways that are deadly & dangerous.

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I agree, as Homan said the safest way to do it is from the jails with law enforcement help.

No reason for a State to not cooperate.

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FLBear5630 said:

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We are good.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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Ahem…..

CBS NEWS: "A record number of detainees are giving up their cases and voluntarily leaving the country... That figure only appears to be climbing." 👍🏻 pic.twitter.com/zv4OVq6RXP

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) February 12, 2026

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That is great. Voluntary is good! Now if we can just get past shooting protesters it will be perfect!

---

if protestors stay unarmed and out of the way, they won't get shot.

---

In both cases, the ICE Agents went into the crowds or approached the protestors. Maybe if they hired real candidates, not January 6th pardoned people and trained them properly. You know more than 47 days in honor of Donald being the 47th President, it wouldn't be an issue. 32 in a year, that is high. Many Police forces don't have that many shootings in a year.

ALSO, the States should be cooperating on the Jails and the Police arrests, MN brought some of this on themselves.

Tom Homan can't be everywhere. He seems to be the only one in ICE with a head on his shoulders...

We both agree on the Policy and Mission. Just use some nuance with non-criminals...

---

you are now reordering reality. Each of the shot protestors actively, purposely interfered (while armed with deadly weapons) with Federal LE operations.

---

Yes, and they should have been arrested. No one is arguing that. They were wrong and if still in jail it would be justified. We are talking proportional response, neither of those had to be shot in the street.

Those situations were not handled properly, even Trump and Holman acknowledge that they could use a "softer touch". There is blame to go around here. I am sure the after-action will identify-
1 - The protestors were in the wrong.
2 - ICE Agents did not handle crowd control well, didn't de-escalate and used excessive force.
3 - MN should allow access to jails and let local law enforcement work with the Feds

You have been in after-actions, it is never one side is totally wrong and the other is totally right. They are usually a bunch of cascading events that could have been handled differently in hindsight. And every after-action comes up with improvements to handle differently to avoid someone dying.

I disagree MN not allowing access and I agree with Holman that it is the safest way to do this. I do give credit to Holmon for changing tactics. I give Trump credit for recognizing a "softer touch" is needed. We just seem to focus on the negatives, which is normal.

But, to say ICE was right, protestors wrong is not accurate.

---

If a cop feels that their life is in danger while someone is attempting to run them over with a car.... that is a justified shooting.

If a cop is wrestling with a man and another cop yells "gun" and then the mam reaches into his waistband... i don't expect the cop to wait for the violent man to start shooting at him.

These two people were not innocent victims. They were both violent offenders.

---

No one said they were innocent, just not shot. The issue is proportional response for US Law Enforcement. This isn't a military operation where the ROE is set to eliminate threats. This is law enforcement.

Of the two, I can agree with you on the lady in the car as it seems the most likely to give the Officer the benefit of the doubt. He used wrong techniques and placed himself in the wrong place, but when struck I can see how that can lead to 4 shots.

The other one was just wrong, the gun was licensed and holstered. ICE removed it. IF you are a 2nd Amendment believer I don't see how you can say having it is justifiable cause to shoot. He should have been arrested, not killed.

---

Heat of the moment....

It's easy to say such things now, but in that moment the cop who pulled the trigger didn't know that someone else had removed the gun.
The cop who removed the gun was supposed to yell out that he had secured the weapon. Instead he only yelled out "gun", so the others thought the criminal had the gun in his hands. His hands were not secured. It was logical to hear that call out, see his hands near his waist, and assume he was drawing or holding a gun.

The reality is that no one with half a brain gets involved in a police action and then fights with cops while they are carrying a concealed gun.
Only a suicidal moron does that.... and such a person is a deadly threat to everyone around him. If he doesn't care enough to keep himself out of a deadly situation, then it's very likely that he could be wanting to commit a murder/suicide event.

This was the 2nd time (at least) that he carried a gun while physically engaging with ICE Agents. This guy was suicidal at best. Homicidal is most likely.... potential mass shooter at worst.

People need to stop making him out to be a martyr.... he was a criminal.

---

Well, we used to be innocent into proven guilty. But, even moving beyond that. We will agree he committed a criminal act, he did not deserve a death sentence for what he did. He was also an ICU Nurse at the VA taking care of veterans, if we want to measure value...

ICE made him a martyr. He should be getting out after his month stay in jail for kicking the car.

Heat of the moment is what you train for, so you don't lose it. But, not a lot you can do in 47 days. They pushed those guys in the field and it blew up in their faces, literally. People that should be doing community service after going to court are dead.

---

He had plenty of time to train seeing that he was unemployed.

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More alternative facts.

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You're right, the unemployed violent nutjob didn't really have enough time to train properly. 5 month unemployed isn't nearly enough time.

---

Disinformation.

---

He was not unemployed. Yeah, they will make up "facts" rather than admit they were wrong.


https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c3942ddg3zjt#:~:text=We%20could%20not%20find%20any,debunked%20a%20few%20weeks%20ago.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Consider that he's backing Biden in his cited source.

Tells you all you need to know.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Quote:

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Was the killing of Ashli Babbitt a proportional response?

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That shooting was investigated and ruled their was not evidence to prosecute Officer.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/department-justice-closes-investigation-death-ashli-babbitt

What did the DOJ investigation say on Perti and Goode? Barr/Garland DOJ investigated killing.

You seem to want to go from incident to findings instantaneously. Until DOJ, or some Law Enforcement investigates and issues a ruling, we can't compare and do not know. So, I don't know if MN will result in more, neither do you.

When are the investigations scheduled to be complete?

We can disagree on tactics, so take heart their is something you can disagree with me on.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Consider that he's backing Biden in his cited source.

Tells you all you need to know.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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Ahem…..

CBS NEWS: "A record number of detainees are giving up their cases and voluntarily leaving the country... That figure only appears to be climbing." 👍🏻 pic.twitter.com/zv4OVq6RXP

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) February 12, 2026

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That is great. Voluntary is good! Now if we can just get past shooting protesters it will be perfect!

---

if protestors stay unarmed and out of the way, they won't get shot.

---

In both cases, the ICE Agents went into the crowds or approached the protestors. Maybe if they hired real candidates, not January 6th pardoned people and trained them properly. You know more than 47 days in honor of Donald being the 47th President, it wouldn't be an issue. 32 in a year, that is high. Many Police forces don't have that many shootings in a year.

ALSO, the States should be cooperating on the Jails and the Police arrests, MN brought some of this on themselves.

Tom Homan can't be everywhere. He seems to be the only one in ICE with a head on his shoulders...

We both agree on the Policy and Mission. Just use some nuance with non-criminals...

---

you are now reordering reality. Each of the shot protestors actively, purposely interfered (while armed with deadly weapons) with Federal LE operations.

---

Yes, and they should have been arrested. No one is arguing that. They were wrong and if still in jail it would be justified. We are talking proportional response, neither of those had to be shot in the street.

Those situations were not handled properly, even Trump and Holman acknowledge that they could use a "softer touch". There is blame to go around here. I am sure the after-action will identify-
1 - The protestors were in the wrong.
2 - ICE Agents did not handle crowd control well, didn't de-escalate and used excessive force.
3 - MN should allow access to jails and let local law enforcement work with the Feds

You have been in after-actions, it is never one side is totally wrong and the other is totally right. They are usually a bunch of cascading events that could have been handled differently in hindsight. And every after-action comes up with improvements to handle differently to avoid someone dying.

I disagree MN not allowing access and I agree with Holman that it is the safest way to do this. I do give credit to Holmon for changing tactics. I give Trump credit for recognizing a "softer touch" is needed. We just seem to focus on the negatives, which is normal.

But, to say ICE was right, protestors wrong is not accurate.

---

If a cop feels that their life is in danger while someone is attempting to run them over with a car.... that is a justified shooting.

If a cop is wrestling with a man and another cop yells "gun" and then the mam reaches into his waistband... i don't expect the cop to wait for the violent man to start shooting at him.

These two people were not innocent victims. They were both violent offenders.

---

No one said they were innocent, just not shot. The issue is proportional response for US Law Enforcement. This isn't a military operation where the ROE is set to eliminate threats. This is law enforcement.

Of the two, I can agree with you on the lady in the car as it seems the most likely to give the Officer the benefit of the doubt. He used wrong techniques and placed himself in the wrong place, but when struck I can see how that can lead to 4 shots.

The other one was just wrong, the gun was licensed and holstered. ICE removed it. IF you are a 2nd Amendment believer I don't see how you can say having it is justifiable cause to shoot. He should have been arrested, not killed.

---

Heat of the moment....

It's easy to say such things now, but in that moment the cop who pulled the trigger didn't know that someone else had removed the gun.
The cop who removed the gun was supposed to yell out that he had secured the weapon. Instead he only yelled out "gun", so the others thought the criminal had the gun in his hands. His hands were not secured. It was logical to hear that call out, see his hands near his waist, and assume he was drawing or holding a gun.

The reality is that no one with half a brain gets involved in a police action and then fights with cops while they are carrying a concealed gun.
Only a suicidal moron does that.... and such a person is a deadly threat to everyone around him. If he doesn't care enough to keep himself out of a deadly situation, then it's very likely that he could be wanting to commit a murder/suicide event.

This was the 2nd time (at least) that he carried a gun while physically engaging with ICE Agents. This guy was suicidal at best. Homicidal is most likely.... potential mass shooter at worst.

People need to stop making him out to be a martyr.... he was a criminal.

---

Well, we used to be innocent into proven guilty. But, even moving beyond that. We will agree he committed a criminal act, he did not deserve a death sentence for what he did. He was also an ICU Nurse at the VA taking care of veterans, if we want to measure value...

ICE made him a martyr. He should be getting out after his month stay in jail for kicking the car.

Heat of the moment is what you train for, so you don't lose it. But, not a lot you can do in 47 days. They pushed those guys in the field and it blew up in their faces, literally. People that should be doing community service after going to court are dead.

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He had plenty of time to train seeing that he was unemployed.

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More alternative facts.

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You're right, the unemployed violent nutjob didn't really have enough time to train properly. 5 month unemployed isn't nearly enough time.

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Disinformation.

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He was not unemployed. Yeah, they will make up "facts" rather than admit they were wrong.


https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c3942ddg3zjt#:~:text=We%20could%20not%20find%20any,debunked%20a%20few%20weeks%20ago.

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Was the killing of Ashli Babbitt a proportional response?

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That shooting was investigated and ruled their was not evidence to prosecute Officer.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/department-justice-closes-investigation-death-ashli-babbitt

What did the DOJ investigation say on Perti and Goode? Barr/Garland DOJ investigated killing.

You seem to want to go from incident to findings instantaneously. Until DOJ, or some Law Enforcement investigates and issues a ruling, we can't compare and do not know. So, I don't know if MN will result in more, neither do you.

When are the investigations scheduled to be complete?

We can disagree on tactics, so take heart their is something you can disagree with me on.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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There were protests under Obama too. They didn't get as much attention, in part because the authorities didn't react as brutally protesters were much fewer and acted like adults.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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There were protests under Obama too. They didn't get as much attention, in part because the authorities didn't react as brutally protesters were much fewer and acted like adults.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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There were protests under Obama too. They didn't get as much attention, in part because the authorities didn't react as brutally protesters were much fewer and acted like adults.

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Why is it always at Trump vs the Dems thing? You know it can just be about the issues. This one had nothing to do with Trump. The guy asked about the Cop that shot Babbet with 1 bullet and I said he was cleared after a hearing.

I ask what was the finding of the 2 guys who shot one lady with 4 shots and the guy with 10 shots? Crickets...

Will there be an investigation? Trump or Dems have nothing to do with it. It is process, when US citizens get shot by law enforcement, it gets investigated.
What were findings?

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Oldbear83 said:

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I wonder if FLBear ever realizes we can tell when he abandons honesty in order to make yet another screed?

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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I wonder if FLBear ever realizes we can tell when he abandons honesty in order to make yet another screed?

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You think way too deeply about this ***** It is a question based on the posts above. There are no plots or strategic moves to win on a message board. Nobody is keeping score. Just questions and opinions.

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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I wonder if FLBear ever realizes we can tell when he abandons honesty in order to make yet another screed?

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You think way too deeply about this ***** It is a question based on the posts above. There are no plots or strategic moves to win on a message board. Nobody is keeping score. Just questions and opinions.

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Nope, you just like to vent your spleen, and that's fine as far as it goes.

Just stop pretending you are doing more than ranting.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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I wonder if FLBear ever realizes we can tell when he abandons honesty in order to make yet another screed?

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You think way too deeply about this ***** It is a question based on the posts above. There are no plots or strategic moves to win on a message board. Nobody is keeping score. Just questions and opinions.

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Nope, you just like to vent your spleen, and that's fine as far as it goes.

Just stop pretending you are doing more than ranting.

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I told you what I am doing. Believe what you will.

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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I wonder if FLBear ever realizes we can tell when he abandons honesty in order to make yet another screed?

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You think way too deeply about this ***** It is a question based on the posts above. There are no plots or strategic moves to win on a message board. Nobody is keeping score. Just questions and opinions.

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Nope, you just like to vent your spleen, and that's fine as far as it goes.

Just stop pretending you are doing more than ranting.

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I told you what I am doing. Believe what you will.

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No, you continued an argument which the facts do not support.

I believe the facts.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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I wonder if FLBear ever realizes we can tell when he abandons honesty in order to make yet another screed?

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You think way too deeply about this ***** It is a question based on the posts above. There are no plots or strategic moves to win on a message board. Nobody is keeping score. Just questions and opinions.

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Nope, you just like to vent your spleen, and that's fine as far as it goes.

Just stop pretending you are doing more than ranting.

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I told you what I am doing. Believe what you will.

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No, you continued an argument which the facts do not support.

I believe the facts.

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Excuse me, just got up from laughing. I'm sorry, continue.

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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I wonder if FLBear ever realizes we can tell when he abandons honesty in order to make yet another screed?

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You think way too deeply about this ***** It is a question based on the posts above. There are no plots or strategic moves to win on a message board. Nobody is keeping score. Just questions and opinions.

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Nope, you just like to vent your spleen, and that's fine as far as it goes.

Just stop pretending you are doing more than ranting.

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I told you what I am doing. Believe what you will.

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No, you continued an argument which the facts do not support.

I believe the facts.

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Excuse me, just got up from laughing. I'm sorry, continue.

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I see, you read some of your recent posts and compared them to your argument.

Completely understand.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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I wonder if FLBear ever realizes we can tell when he abandons honesty in order to make yet another screed?

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You think way too deeply about this ***** It is a question based on the posts above. There are no plots or strategic moves to win on a message board. Nobody is keeping score. Just questions and opinions.

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Nope, you just like to vent your spleen, and that's fine as far as it goes.

Just stop pretending you are doing more than ranting.

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I told you what I am doing. Believe what you will.

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TrojanMoondoggie said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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There were protests under Obama too. They didn't get as much attention, in part because the authorities didn't react as brutally protesters were much fewer and acted like adults.

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These responses now are not quiet. Because DT is behind them.

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