Uh huh. Totally believe you. Never mind our lying eyes...Sam Lowry said:
That would make slightly more sense if I were a Democrat, but not much. Far from conspiring, Trump has been very open about his contempt for due process.
“By order of the Emperor, General Thomas Homanius has been dispatched to Minneapolis, with authority to act in the emperor’s name, to quell the rebellion therein, and to punish all enemies of the state. No disorder will be tolerated.” https://t.co/Z3OlrfEeaA pic.twitter.com/iCH7OKY4EF
— Big Serge ☦️🇺🇸🇷🇺 (@witte_sergei) January 26, 2026
Wangchung said:Uh huh. Totally believe you. Never mind our lying eyes...Sam Lowry said:
That would make slightly more sense if I were a Democrat, but not much. Far from conspiring, Trump has been very open about his contempt for due process.
No, he has done exactly what all presidents have done, except he has faced an unprecedented number of challenges from democrats who don't seek to negotiate or compromise, only to stop anything and everything Trump says he will do.Porteroso said:Wangchung said:Uh huh. Totally believe you. Never mind our lying eyes...Sam Lowry said:
That would make slightly more sense if I were a Democrat, but not much. Far from conspiring, Trump has been very open about his contempt for due process.
Isn't it true though? Has he not tested the bounds of the Constitution and the law many times? I thought we were being open and honest about that. Whiterocks says it's one of the reasons he has gotten so much accomplished.
Porteroso said:Wangchung said:Sam Lowry said:
That would make slightly more sense if I were a Democrat, but not much. Far from conspiring, Trump has been very open about his contempt for due process.
Uh huh. Totally believe you. Never mind our lying eyes...
Isn't it true though? Has he not tested the bounds of the Constitution and the law many times? I thought we were being open and honest about that. Whiterocks says it's one of the reasons he has gotten so much accomplished.
Porteroso said:Wangchung said:Sam Lowry said:
That would make slightly more sense if I were a Democrat, but not much. Far from conspiring, Trump has been very open about his contempt for due process.
Uh huh. Totally believe you. Never mind our lying eyes...
Isn't it true though? Has he not tested the bounds of the Constitution and the law many times? I thought we were being open and honest about that. Whiterocks says it's one of the reasons he has gotten so much accomplished.
Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Then he has to stay in power. He has to keep the House and the Senate past midterms. You don't do that shooting protesters in the Street with masked Agents in tactical gear.
Sending Homan is the right move. Trump now made the first move by sending him. Trump is admitting it was poorly handled. Smart.
Walz now needs to cooperate and open the jails to the Feds.
Homan will give on tactics and work more with local police support.
Walz will tell Frey to order the Police to work with them.
Both save face, both make their points and ICE keeps finding people. Trump bugles how he listened.
The NEXT thing you will see is ICE NOT going to Maine next. Collins is too exposed. She is a pain, but she is a GOP pain...
Or, I am totally wrong...
Yes, you're totally wrong. Homan wasn't sent in as an admission of error by Trump. That's ****ing crazy **** you've imagined or were told by someone who imagined it. Not sure you realize it but you've been saying for years that everything Trump says and does is going to cost republicans power. (You Arne the only one) Yet they've only gotten more powerful. You've been wrong on almost every single issue you've tried to speak on. It's all boils down to this; would ICE's legal and lawful tactics work without democrats impeding and attacking them? The answer is unequivocally yes.
FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Then he has to stay in power. He has to keep the House and the Senate past midterms. You don't do that shooting protesters in the Street with masked Agents in tactical gear.
Sending Homan is the right move. Trump now made the first move by sending him. Trump is admitting it was poorly handled. Smart.
Walz now needs to cooperate and open the jails to the Feds.
Homan will give on tactics and work more with local police support.
Walz will tell Frey to order the Police to work with them.
Both save face, both make their points and ICE keeps finding people. Trump bugles how he listened.
The NEXT thing you will see is ICE NOT going to Maine next. Collins is too exposed. She is a pain, but she is a GOP pain...
Or, I am totally wrong...
Yes, you're totally wrong. Homan wasn't sent in as an admission of error by Trump. That's ****ing crazy **** you've imagined or were told by someone who imagined it. Not sure you realize it but you've been saying for years that everything Trump says and does is going to cost republicans power. (You Arne the only one) Yet they've only gotten more powerful. You've been wrong on almost every single issue you've tried to speak on. It's all boils down to this; would ICE's legal and lawful tactics work without democrats impeding and attacking them? The answer is unequivocally yes.
Yeah, they aren't going to come to the middle to work it out. He really came down on him.
whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Then he has to stay in power. He has to keep the House and the Senate past midterms. You don't do that shooting protesters in the Street with masked Agents in tactical gear.
Sending Homan is the right move. Trump now made the first move by sending him. Trump is admitting it was poorly handled. Smart.
Walz now needs to cooperate and open the jails to the Feds.
Homan will give on tactics and work more with local police support.
Walz will tell Frey to order the Police to work with them.
Both save face, both make their points and ICE keeps finding people. Trump bugles how he listened.
The NEXT thing you will see is ICE NOT going to Maine next. Collins is too exposed. She is a pain, but she is a GOP pain...
Or, I am totally wrong...
Yes, you're totally wrong. Homan wasn't sent in as an admission of error by Trump. That's ****ing crazy **** you've imagined or were told by someone who imagined it. Not sure you realize it but you've been saying for years that everything Trump says and does is going to cost republicans power. (You Arne the only one) Yet they've only gotten more powerful. You've been wrong on almost every single issue you've tried to speak on. It's all boils down to this; would ICE's legal and lawful tactics work without democrats impeding and attacking them? The answer is unequivocally yes.
Yeah, they aren't going to come to the middle to work it out. He really came down on him.
MN is a sanctuary state which for many years has refused to cooperate with ICE operations and pointedly refused to hand criminal illegal aliens with deportation orders in state custody over to ICE for deportation. So Homeland Security wades in with a big ICE operation. Riots start. People get hurt. Riots escalate. A couple of folks get killed fighting with ICE. Trump engages directly and sends Tom Homan in to sort things out. Walz agrees to hand over criminal illegal aliens to ICE.
But the neverTrumpers will say Trump lost, Trump caved, Trump did more harm than good, unnecessary harm when velvet touches were more appropriate, etc.....instead of just acknowledging the bloody effin' obvious - that Trump restored rule of law in a sanctuary state and got done what voters elected him to do.
whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Then he has to stay in power. He has to keep the House and the Senate past midterms. You don't do that shooting protesters in the Street with masked Agents in tactical gear.
Sending Homan is the right move. Trump now made the first move by sending him. Trump is admitting it was poorly handled. Smart.
Walz now needs to cooperate and open the jails to the Feds.
Homan will give on tactics and work more with local police support.
Walz will tell Frey to order the Police to work with them.
Both save face, both make their points and ICE keeps finding people. Trump bugles how he listened.
The NEXT thing you will see is ICE NOT going to Maine next. Collins is too exposed. She is a pain, but she is a GOP pain...
Or, I am totally wrong...
Yes, you're totally wrong. Homan wasn't sent in as an admission of error by Trump. That's ****ing crazy **** you've imagined or were told by someone who imagined it. Not sure you realize it but you've been saying for years that everything Trump says and does is going to cost republicans power. (You Arne the only one) Yet they've only gotten more powerful. You've been wrong on almost every single issue you've tried to speak on. It's all boils down to this; would ICE's legal and lawful tactics work without democrats impeding and attacking them? The answer is unequivocally yes.
Yeah, they aren't going to come to the middle to work it out. He really came down on him.
MN is a sanctuary state which for many years has refused to cooperate with ICE operations and pointedly refused to hand criminal illegal aliens with deportation orders in state custody over to ICE for deportation. So Homeland Security wades in with a big ICE operation. Riots start. People get hurt. Riots escalate. A couple of folks get killed fighting with ICE. Trump engages directly and sends Tom Homan in to sort things out. Walz agrees to hand over criminal illegal aliens to ICE.
But the neverTrumpers will say Trump lost, Trump caved, Trump did more harm than good, unnecessary harm when velvet touches were more appropriate, etc.....instead of just acknowledging the bloody effin' obvious - that Trump restored rule of law in a sanctuary state and got done what voters elected him to do.
whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Then he has to stay in power. He has to keep the House and the Senate past midterms. You don't do that shooting protesters in the Street with masked Agents in tactical gear.
Sending Homan is the right move. Trump now made the first move by sending him. Trump is admitting it was poorly handled. Smart.
Walz now needs to cooperate and open the jails to the Feds.
Homan will give on tactics and work more with local police support.
Walz will tell Frey to order the Police to work with them.
Both save face, both make their points and ICE keeps finding people. Trump bugles how he listened.
The NEXT thing you will see is ICE NOT going to Maine next. Collins is too exposed. She is a pain, but she is a GOP pain...
Or, I am totally wrong...
Yes, you're totally wrong. Homan wasn't sent in as an admission of error by Trump. That's ****ing crazy **** you've imagined or were told by someone who imagined it. Not sure you realize it but you've been saying for years that everything Trump says and does is going to cost republicans power. (You Arne the only one) Yet they've only gotten more powerful. You've been wrong on almost every single issue you've tried to speak on. It's all boils down to this; would ICE's legal and lawful tactics work without democrats impeding and attacking them? The answer is unequivocally yes.
Yeah, they aren't going to come to the middle to work it out. He really came down on him.
MN is a sanctuary state which for many years has refused to cooperate with ICE operations and pointedly refused to hand criminal illegal aliens with deportation orders in state custody over to ICE for deportation. So Homeland Security wades in with a big ICE operation. Riots start. People get hurt. Riots escalate. A couple of folks get killed fighting with ICE. Trump engages directly and sends Tom Homan in to sort things out. Walz agrees to hand over criminal illegal aliens to ICE.
But the neverTrumpers will say Trump lost, Trump caved, Trump did more harm than good, unnecessary harm when velvet touches were more appropriate, etc.....instead of just acknowledging the bloody effin' obvious - that Trump restored rule of law in a sanctuary state and got done what voters elected him to do.
Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Then he has to stay in power. He has to keep the House and the Senate past midterms. You don't do that shooting protesters in the Street with masked Agents in tactical gear.
Sending Homan is the right move. Trump now made the first move by sending him. Trump is admitting it was poorly handled. Smart.
Walz now needs to cooperate and open the jails to the Feds.
Homan will give on tactics and work more with local police support.
Walz will tell Frey to order the Police to work with them.
Both save face, both make their points and ICE keeps finding people. Trump bugles how he listened.
The NEXT thing you will see is ICE NOT going to Maine next. Collins is too exposed. She is a pain, but she is a GOP pain...
Or, I am totally wrong...
Yes, you're totally wrong. Homan wasn't sent in as an admission of error by Trump. That's ****ing crazy **** you've imagined or were told by someone who imagined it. Not sure you realize it but you've been saying for years that everything Trump says and does is going to cost republicans power. (You Arne the only one) Yet they've only gotten more powerful. You've been wrong on almost every single issue you've tried to speak on. It's all boils down to this; would ICE's legal and lawful tactics work without democrats impeding and attacking them? The answer is unequivocally yes.
Yeah, they aren't going to come to the middle to work it out. He really came down on him.
MN is a sanctuary state which for many years has refused to cooperate with ICE operations and pointedly refused to hand criminal illegal aliens with deportation orders in state custody over to ICE for deportation. So Homeland Security wades in with a big ICE operation. Riots start. People get hurt. Riots escalate. A couple of folks get killed fighting with ICE. Trump engages directly and sends Tom Homan in to sort things out. Walz agrees to hand over criminal illegal aliens to ICE.
But the neverTrumpers will say Trump lost, Trump caved, Trump did more harm than good, unnecessary harm when velvet touches were more appropriate, etc.....instead of just acknowledging the bloody effin' obvious - that Trump restored rule of law in a sanctuary state and got done what voters elected him to do.
Translation: he violated a state's sovereignty and coerced it into enforcing federal law.
whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Then he has to stay in power. He has to keep the House and the Senate past midterms. You don't do that shooting protesters in the Street with masked Agents in tactical gear.
Sending Homan is the right move. Trump now made the first move by sending him. Trump is admitting it was poorly handled. Smart.
Walz now needs to cooperate and open the jails to the Feds.
Homan will give on tactics and work more with local police support.
Walz will tell Frey to order the Police to work with them.
Both save face, both make their points and ICE keeps finding people. Trump bugles how he listened.
The NEXT thing you will see is ICE NOT going to Maine next. Collins is too exposed. She is a pain, but she is a GOP pain...
Or, I am totally wrong...
Yes, you're totally wrong. Homan wasn't sent in as an admission of error by Trump. That's ****ing crazy **** you've imagined or were told by someone who imagined it. Not sure you realize it but you've been saying for years that everything Trump says and does is going to cost republicans power. (You Arne the only one) Yet they've only gotten more powerful. You've been wrong on almost every single issue you've tried to speak on. It's all boils down to this; would ICE's legal and lawful tactics work without democrats impeding and attacking them? The answer is unequivocally yes.
Yeah, they aren't going to come to the middle to work it out. He really came down on him.
MN is a sanctuary state which for many years has refused to cooperate with ICE operations and pointedly refused to hand criminal illegal aliens with deportation orders in state custody over to ICE for deportation. So Homeland Security wades in with a big ICE operation. Riots start. People get hurt. Riots escalate. A couple of folks get killed fighting with ICE. Trump engages directly and sends Tom Homan in to sort things out. Walz agrees to hand over criminal illegal aliens to ICE.
But the neverTrumpers will say Trump lost, Trump caved, Trump did more harm than good, unnecessary harm when velvet touches were more appropriate, etc.....instead of just acknowledging the bloody effin' obvious - that Trump restored rule of law in a sanctuary state and got done what voters elected him to do.
Translation: he violated a state's sovereignty and coerced it into enforcing federal law.
A state has no sovereignty to interfere with federal law enforcement operations.
A state has no sovereignty to abuse federal funding.
More to the point, the Supremacy Clause determines what happens when a state's sovereignty conflicts with federal law,
Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Then he has to stay in power. He has to keep the House and the Senate past midterms. You don't do that shooting protesters in the Street with masked Agents in tactical gear.
Sending Homan is the right move. Trump now made the first move by sending him. Trump is admitting it was poorly handled. Smart.
Walz now needs to cooperate and open the jails to the Feds.
Homan will give on tactics and work more with local police support.
Walz will tell Frey to order the Police to work with them.
Both save face, both make their points and ICE keeps finding people. Trump bugles how he listened.
The NEXT thing you will see is ICE NOT going to Maine next. Collins is too exposed. She is a pain, but she is a GOP pain...
Or, I am totally wrong...
Yes, you're totally wrong. Homan wasn't sent in as an admission of error by Trump. That's ****ing crazy **** you've imagined or were told by someone who imagined it. Not sure you realize it but you've been saying for years that everything Trump says and does is going to cost republicans power. (You Arne the only one) Yet they've only gotten more powerful. You've been wrong on almost every single issue you've tried to speak on. It's all boils down to this; would ICE's legal and lawful tactics work without democrats impeding and attacking them? The answer is unequivocally yes.
Yeah, they aren't going to come to the middle to work it out. He really came down on him.
MN is a sanctuary state which for many years has refused to cooperate with ICE operations and pointedly refused to hand criminal illegal aliens with deportation orders in state custody over to ICE for deportation. So Homeland Security wades in with a big ICE operation. Riots start. People get hurt. Riots escalate. A couple of folks get killed fighting with ICE. Trump engages directly and sends Tom Homan in to sort things out. Walz agrees to hand over criminal illegal aliens to ICE.
But the neverTrumpers will say Trump lost, Trump caved, Trump did more harm than good, unnecessary harm when velvet touches were more appropriate, etc.....instead of just acknowledging the bloody effin' obvious - that Trump restored rule of law in a sanctuary state and got done what voters elected him to do.
Translation: he violated a state's sovereignty and coerced it into enforcing federal law.
A state has no sovereignty to interfere with federal law enforcement operations.
A state has no sovereignty to abuse federal funding.
More to the point, the Supremacy Clause determines what happens when a state's sovereignty conflicts with federal law,
There's no conflict with federal law. Minnesota simply isn't required to enforce it.
Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Then he has to stay in power. He has to keep the House and the Senate past midterms. You don't do that shooting protesters in the Street with masked Agents in tactical gear.
Sending Homan is the right move. Trump now made the first move by sending him. Trump is admitting it was poorly handled. Smart.
Walz now needs to cooperate and open the jails to the Feds.
Homan will give on tactics and work more with local police support.
Walz will tell Frey to order the Police to work with them.
Both save face, both make their points and ICE keeps finding people. Trump bugles how he listened.
The NEXT thing you will see is ICE NOT going to Maine next. Collins is too exposed. She is a pain, but she is a GOP pain...
Or, I am totally wrong...
Yes, you're totally wrong. Homan wasn't sent in as an admission of error by Trump. That's ****ing crazy **** you've imagined or were told by someone who imagined it. Not sure you realize it but you've been saying for years that everything Trump says and does is going to cost republicans power. (You Arne the only one) Yet they've only gotten more powerful. You've been wrong on almost every single issue you've tried to speak on. It's all boils down to this; would ICE's legal and lawful tactics work without democrats impeding and attacking them? The answer is unequivocally yes.
Yeah, they aren't going to come to the middle to work it out. He really came down on him.
MN is a sanctuary state which for many years has refused to cooperate with ICE operations and pointedly refused to hand criminal illegal aliens with deportation orders in state custody over to ICE for deportation. So Homeland Security wades in with a big ICE operation. Riots start. People get hurt. Riots escalate. A couple of folks get killed fighting with ICE. Trump engages directly and sends Tom Homan in to sort things out. Walz agrees to hand over criminal illegal aliens to ICE.
But the neverTrumpers will say Trump lost, Trump caved, Trump did more harm than good, unnecessary harm when velvet touches were more appropriate, etc.....instead of just acknowledging the bloody effin' obvious - that Trump restored rule of law in a sanctuary state and got done what voters elected him to do.
Translation: he violated a state's sovereignty and coerced it into enforcing federal law.
A state has no sovereignty to interfere with federal law enforcement operations.
A state has no sovereignty to abuse federal funding.
More to the point, the Supremacy Clause determines what happens when a state's sovereignty conflicts with federal law,
There's no conflict with federal law. Minnesota simply isn't required to enforce it.
Redbrickbear said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Then he has to stay in power. He has to keep the House and the Senate past midterms. You don't do that shooting protesters in the Street with masked Agents in tactical gear.
Sending Homan is the right move. Trump now made the first move by sending him. Trump is admitting it was poorly handled. Smart.
Walz now needs to cooperate and open the jails to the Feds.
Homan will give on tactics and work more with local police support.
Walz will tell Frey to order the Police to work with them.
Both save face, both make their points and ICE keeps finding people. Trump bugles how he listened.
The NEXT thing you will see is ICE NOT going to Maine next. Collins is too exposed. She is a pain, but she is a GOP pain...
Or, I am totally wrong...
Yes, you're totally wrong. Homan wasn't sent in as an admission of error by Trump. That's ****ing crazy **** you've imagined or were told by someone who imagined it. Not sure you realize it but you've been saying for years that everything Trump says and does is going to cost republicans power. (You Arne the only one) Yet they've only gotten more powerful. You've been wrong on almost every single issue you've tried to speak on. It's all boils down to this; would ICE's legal and lawful tactics work without democrats impeding and attacking them? The answer is unequivocally yes.
Yeah, they aren't going to come to the middle to work it out. He really came down on him.
MN is a sanctuary state which for many years has refused to cooperate with ICE operations and pointedly refused to hand criminal illegal aliens with deportation orders in state custody over to ICE for deportation. So Homeland Security wades in with a big ICE operation. Riots start. People get hurt. Riots escalate. A couple of folks get killed fighting with ICE. Trump engages directly and sends Tom Homan in to sort things out. Walz agrees to hand over criminal illegal aliens to ICE.
But the neverTrumpers will say Trump lost, Trump caved, Trump did more harm than good, unnecessary harm when velvet touches were more appropriate, etc.....instead of just acknowledging the bloody effin' obvious - that Trump restored rule of law in a sanctuary state and got done what voters elected him to do.
Translation: he violated a state's sovereignty and coerced it into enforcing federal law.
A state has no sovereignty to interfere with federal law enforcement operations.
A state has no sovereignty to abuse federal funding.
More to the point, the Supremacy Clause determines what happens when a state's sovereignty conflicts with federal law,
There's no conflict with federal law. Minnesota simply isn't required to enforce it.
There are of course Constitutional exceptions to that aspect of Federalism.
[While states cannot be forced, they also cannot impede federal authorities from enforcing their own laws.
State Courts: State courts of general jurisdiction cannot refuse to enforce federal law solely because it is a federal claim, according to Howlett v. Rose (1990)]
PS
I have a strong feeling if this was 1965 you would not be on here defending Southern States refusing to cooperate on the enforcement of Federal Civil rights laws.
whiterock said:Porteroso said:Wangchung said:Sam Lowry said:
That would make slightly more sense if I were a Democrat, but not much. Far from conspiring, Trump has been very open about his contempt for due process.
Uh huh. Totally believe you. Never mind our lying eyes...
Isn't it true though? Has he not tested the bounds of the Constitution and the law many times? I thought we were being open and honest about that. Whiterocks says it's one of the reasons he has gotten so much accomplished.
he hasn't tested the boundaries very vigorously at all, if SCOTUS rulings are any indication.
now, Democrats have furiously tested the boundaries of what they can do to stop him and come up with nada.
whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Then he has to stay in power. He has to keep the House and the Senate past midterms. You don't do that shooting protesters in the Street with masked Agents in tactical gear.
Sending Homan is the right move. Trump now made the first move by sending him. Trump is admitting it was poorly handled. Smart.
Walz now needs to cooperate and open the jails to the Feds.
Homan will give on tactics and work more with local police support.
Walz will tell Frey to order the Police to work with them.
Both save face, both make their points and ICE keeps finding people. Trump bugles how he listened.
The NEXT thing you will see is ICE NOT going to Maine next. Collins is too exposed. She is a pain, but she is a GOP pain...
Or, I am totally wrong...
Yes, you're totally wrong. Homan wasn't sent in as an admission of error by Trump. That's ****ing crazy **** you've imagined or were told by someone who imagined it. Not sure you realize it but you've been saying for years that everything Trump says and does is going to cost republicans power. (You Arne the only one) Yet they've only gotten more powerful. You've been wrong on almost every single issue you've tried to speak on. It's all boils down to this; would ICE's legal and lawful tactics work without democrats impeding and attacking them? The answer is unequivocally yes.
Yeah, they aren't going to come to the middle to work it out. He really came down on him.
MN is a sanctuary state which for many years has refused to cooperate with ICE operations and pointedly refused to hand criminal illegal aliens with deportation orders in state custody over to ICE for deportation. So Homeland Security wades in with a big ICE operation. Riots start. People get hurt. Riots escalate. A couple of folks get killed fighting with ICE. Trump engages directly and sends Tom Homan in to sort things out. Walz agrees to hand over criminal illegal aliens to ICE.
But the neverTrumpers will say Trump lost, Trump caved, Trump did more harm than good, unnecessary harm when velvet touches were more appropriate, etc.....instead of just acknowledging the bloody effin' obvious - that Trump restored rule of law in a sanctuary state and got done what voters elected him to do.
Translation: he violated a state's sovereignty and coerced it into enforcing federal law.
A state has no sovereignty to interfere with federal law enforcement operations.
A state has no sovereignty to abuse federal funding.
More to the point, the Supremacy Clause determines what happens when a state's sovereignty conflicts with federal law,
There's no conflict with federal law. Minnesota simply isn't required to enforce it.
They are also not allowed to impede it.
Wangchung said:
No, he has done exactly what all presidents have done, except he has faced an unprecedented number of challenges from democrats who don't seek to negotiate or compromise, only to stop anything and everything Trump says he will do.
Waco1947 said:Wangchung said:
No, he has done exactly what all presidents have done, except he has faced an unprecedented number of challenges from democrats who don't seek to negotiate or compromise, only to stop anything and everything Trump says he will do.
Thank God, Democrats who do provide some kind of safeguards to Trump's ambitions.
Porteroso said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:Wangchung said:Sam Lowry said:
That would make slightly more sense if I were a Democrat, but not much. Far from conspiring, Trump has been very open about his contempt for due process.
Uh huh. Totally believe you. Never mind our lying eyes...
Isn't it true though? Has he not tested the bounds of the Constitution and the law many times? I thought we were being open and honest about that. Whiterocks says it's one of the reasons he has gotten so much accomplished.
he hasn't tested the boundaries very vigorously at all, if SCOTUS rulings are any indication.
now, Democrats have furiously tested the boundaries of what they can do to stop him and come up with nada.
Declaring a trade war upon the entire world based upon emergency powers.
There is no trade war. He used emergency powers as intended, to respond to unfair trade practices. As a result, we have diplomatic agreements in place with all but a handful of countries (that matter).
Never done without Congressional input. Really never done period.
So you are quite sure he did not talk to a senior Congressional leader about what was happening at any time in the process?
Kidnapping the leader of a South American country. Now of course we have tried to assassinate some, but we pretend we don't, because it is not something you just up and do openly.
LOL we did it to Noriega. And we'll do it again to anyone who pokes us repeatedly in the eye without the capability to defend itself. We are under no obligation to tolerate pirates and cartels pretending to be states.
Try to do away with due process for 30m illegals. Never been done.
Flatly untrue. The "do away" part. He's not trying to arrest and prosecute them. He's trying to deport the ones which have outstanding deportation orders. All that requires is an arrest and a transport to a point of departure.
ScottS said:Waco1947 said:Wangchung said:
No, he has done exactly what all presidents have done, except he has faced an unprecedented number of challenges from democrats who don't seek to negotiate or compromise, only to stop anything and everything Trump says he will do.
Thank God, Democrats who do provide some kind of safeguards to Trump's ambitions.
Can you elaborate on what these "safeguards" are?
whiterock said:Porteroso said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:Wangchung said:Sam Lowry said:
That would make slightly more sense if I were a Democrat, but not much. Far from conspiring, Trump has been very open about his contempt for due process.
Uh huh. Totally believe you. Never mind our lying eyes...
Isn't it true though? Has he not tested the bounds of the Constitution and the law many times? I thought we were being open and honest about that. Whiterocks says it's one of the reasons he has gotten so much accomplished.
he hasn't tested the boundaries very vigorously at all, if SCOTUS rulings are any indication.
now, Democrats have furiously tested the boundaries of what they can do to stop him and come up with nada.
Declaring a trade war upon the entire world based upon emergency powers.
There is no trade war. He used emergency powers as intended, to respond to unfair trade practices. As a result, we have diplomatic agreements in place with all but a handful of countries (that matter).
Never done without Congressional input. Really never done period.
So you are quite sure he did not talk to a senior Congressional leader about what was happening at any time in the process?
Kidnapping the leader of a South American country. Now of course we have tried to assassinate some, but we pretend we don't, because it is not something you just up and do openly.
LOL we did it to Noriega. And we'll do it again to anyone who pokes us repeatedly in the eye without the capability to defend itself. We are under no obligation to tolerate pirates and cartels pretending to be states.
Try to do away with due process for 30m illegals. Never been done.
Flatly untrue. The "do away" part. He's not trying to arrest and prosecute them. He's trying to deport the ones which have outstanding deportation orders. All that requires is an arrest and a transport to a point of departure.
The problem with feelings is that they get in the way of the facts, in your case completely so.
pls educate yourself. (note the title of the second link).
https://www.usconstitution.net/executive-tariff-authority/
https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/R/PDF/R48435/R48435.1.pdf
not nigerian.Porteroso said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:Wangchung said:Sam Lowry said:
That would make slightly more sense if I were a Democrat, but not much. Far from conspiring, Trump has been very open about his contempt for due process.
Uh huh. Totally believe you. Never mind our lying eyes...
Isn't it true though? Has he not tested the bounds of the Constitution and the law many times? I thought we were being open and honest about that. Whiterocks says it's one of the reasons he has gotten so much accomplished.
he hasn't tested the boundaries very vigorously at all, if SCOTUS rulings are any indication.
now, Democrats have furiously tested the boundaries of what they can do to stop him and come up with nada.
Declaring a trade war upon the entire world based upon emergency powers.
There is no trade war. He used emergency powers as intended, to respond to unfair trade practices. As a result, we have diplomatic agreements in place with all but a handful of countries (that matter).
Never done without Congressional input. Really never done period.
So you are quite sure he did not talk to a senior Congressional leader about what was happening at any time in the process?
Kidnapping the leader of a South American country. Now of course we have tried to assassinate some, but we pretend we don't, because it is not something you just up and do openly.
LOL we did it to Noriega. And we'll do it again to anyone who pokes us repeatedly in the eye without the capability to defend itself. We are under no obligation to tolerate pirates and cartels pretending to be states.
Try to do away with due process for 30m illegals. Never been done.
Flatly untrue. The "do away" part. He's not trying to arrest and prosecute them. He's trying to deport the ones which have outstanding deportation orders. All that requires is an arrest and a transport to a point of departure.
The problem with feelings is that they get in the way of the facts, in your case completely so.
pls educate yourself. (note the title of the second link).
https://www.usconstitution.net/executive-tariff-authority/
https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/R/PDF/R48435/R48435.1.pdf
All actual lies. Wanna bet the Supreme Court doesn't agree with you on tariffs being a proper use of emergency power? Even if they let them stand? Oh wait they've already said illegals need due process. Oh wait, when did we kidnap a Nigerian leader. Did I miss that?
Porteroso said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:Wangchung said:Sam Lowry said:
That would make slightly more sense if I were a Democrat, but not much. Far from conspiring, Trump has been very open about his contempt for due process.
Uh huh. Totally believe you. Never mind our lying eyes...
Isn't it true though? Has he not tested the bounds of the Constitution and the law many times? I thought we were being open and honest about that. Whiterocks says it's one of the reasons he has gotten so much accomplished.
he hasn't tested the boundaries very vigorously at all, if SCOTUS rulings are any indication.
now, Democrats have furiously tested the boundaries of what they can do to stop him and come up with nada.
Declaring a trade war upon the entire world based upon emergency powers.
There is no trade war. He used emergency powers as intended, to respond to unfair trade practices. As a result, we have diplomatic agreements in place with all but a handful of countries (that matter).
Never done without Congressional input. Really never done period.
So you are quite sure he did not talk to a senior Congressional leader about what was happening at any time in the process?
Kidnapping the leader of a South American country. Now of course we have tried to assassinate some, but we pretend we don't, because it is not something you just up and do openly.
LOL we did it to Noriega. And we'll do it again to anyone who pokes us repeatedly in the eye without the capability to defend itself. We are under no obligation to tolerate pirates and cartels pretending to be states.
Try to do away with due process for 30m illegals. Never been done.
Flatly untrue. The "do away" part. He's not trying to arrest and prosecute them. He's trying to deport the ones which have outstanding deportation orders. All that requires is an arrest and a transport to a point of departure.
The problem with feelings is that they get in the way of the facts, in your case completely so.
pls educate yourself. (note the title of the second link).
https://www.usconstitution.net/executive-tariff-authority/
https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/R/PDF/R48435/R48435.1.pdf
All actual lies. Wanna bet the Supreme Court doesn't agree with you on tariffs being a proper use of emergency power?
In previous discussions, I have assessed that this might be his weakest case. 50/50 how it turns out.
Even if they let them stand?
If they agree the emergency declaration was justified, it's a home run for him.
Oh wait they've already said illegals need due process.
Illegals get the same due process we do for prosecutions of criminal code violation. They get a different and substantially more truncated form of due process for deportation. Most of these illegals targeted in the ICE raids already have a valid deportation order, so there isn't much due process left. Making sure they have the right guy, before sending him home.
Oh wait, when did we kidnap a Nigerian leader. Did I miss that?
Earth to Porter...... We invaded Panama, captured its leader for whom we had a valid indictment, and brought him to the USA for trial. Venezuela is quite a bit more elegant. We did apprehend Maduro (for whom we had a valid indictment) but we did not have to invade the country to do so. Ergo, Venezuela is quite a bit of a process improvement.
whiterock said:Porteroso said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:Wangchung said:Sam Lowry said:
That would make slightly more sense if I were a Democrat, but not much. Far from conspiring, Trump has been very open about his contempt for due process.
Uh huh. Totally believe you. Never mind our lying eyes...
Isn't it true though? Has he not tested the bounds of the Constitution and the law many times? I thought we were being open and honest about that. Whiterocks says it's one of the reasons he has gotten so much accomplished.
he hasn't tested the boundaries very vigorously at all, if SCOTUS rulings are any indication.
now, Democrats have furiously tested the boundaries of what they can do to stop him and come up with nada.
Declaring a trade war upon the entire world based upon emergency powers.
There is no trade war. He used emergency powers as intended, to respond to unfair trade practices. As a result, we have diplomatic agreements in place with all but a handful of countries (that matter).
Never done without Congressional input. Really never done period.
So you are quite sure he did not talk to a senior Congressional leader about what was happening at any time in the process?
Kidnapping the leader of a South American country. Now of course we have tried to assassinate some, but we pretend we don't, because it is not something you just up and do openly.
LOL we did it to Noriega. And we'll do it again to anyone who pokes us repeatedly in the eye without the capability to defend itself. We are under no obligation to tolerate pirates and cartels pretending to be states.
Try to do away with due process for 30m illegals. Never been done.
Flatly untrue. The "do away" part. He's not trying to arrest and prosecute them. He's trying to deport the ones which have outstanding deportation orders. All that requires is an arrest and a transport to a point of departure.
The problem with feelings is that they get in the way of the facts, in your case completely so.
pls educate yourself. (note the title of the second link).
https://www.usconstitution.net/executive-tariff-authority/
https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/R/PDF/R48435/R48435.1.pdf
All actual lies. Wanna bet the Supreme Court doesn't agree with you on tariffs being a proper use of emergency power?
In previous discussions, I have assessed that this might be his weakest case. 50/50 how it turns out.
Even if they let them stand?
If they agree the emergency declaration was justified, it's a home run for him.
Oh wait they've already said illegals need due process.
Illegals get the same due process we do for prosecutions of criminal code violation. They get a different and substantially more truncated form of due process for deportation. Most of these illegals targeted in the ICE raids already have a valid deportation order, so there isn't much due process left. Making sure they have the right guy, before sending him home.
Oh wait, when did we kidnap a Nigerian leader. Did I miss that?
Earth to Porter...... We invaded Panama, captured its leader for whom we had a valid indictment, and brought him to the USA for trial. Venezuela is quite a bit more elegant. We did apprehend Maduro (for whom we had a valid indictment) but we did not have to invade the country to do so. Ergo, Venezuela is quite a bit of a process improvement.
Please. I beg you. Quit making a fool of yourself.
Harrison Bergeron said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:Wangchung said:Sam Lowry said:
That would make slightly more sense if I were a Democrat, but not much. Far from conspiring, Trump has been very open about his contempt for due process.
Uh huh. Totally believe you. Never mind our lying eyes...
Isn't it true though? Has he not tested the bounds of the Constitution and the law many times? I thought we were being open and honest about that. Whiterocks says it's one of the reasons he has gotten so much accomplished.
he hasn't tested the boundaries very vigorously at all, if SCOTUS rulings are any indication.
now, Democrats have furiously tested the boundaries of what they can do to stop him and come up with nada.
Declaring a trade war upon the entire world based upon emergency powers.
There is no trade war. He used emergency powers as intended, to respond to unfair trade practices. As a result, we have diplomatic agreements in place with all but a handful of countries (that matter).
Never done without Congressional input. Really never done period.
So you are quite sure he did not talk to a senior Congressional leader about what was happening at any time in the process?
Kidnapping the leader of a South American country. Now of course we have tried to assassinate some, but we pretend we don't, because it is not something you just up and do openly.
LOL we did it to Noriega. And we'll do it again to anyone who pokes us repeatedly in the eye without the capability to defend itself. We are under no obligation to tolerate pirates and cartels pretending to be states.
Try to do away with due process for 30m illegals. Never been done.
Flatly untrue. The "do away" part. He's not trying to arrest and prosecute them. He's trying to deport the ones which have outstanding deportation orders. All that requires is an arrest and a transport to a point of departure.
The problem with feelings is that they get in the way of the facts, in your case completely so.
pls educate yourself. (note the title of the second link).
https://www.usconstitution.net/executive-tariff-authority/
https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/R/PDF/R48435/R48435.1.pdf
All actual lies. Wanna bet the Supreme Court doesn't agree with you on tariffs being a proper use of emergency power?
In previous discussions, I have assessed that this might be his weakest case. 50/50 how it turns out.
Even if they let them stand?
If they agree the emergency declaration was justified, it's a home run for him.
Oh wait they've already said illegals need due process.
Illegals get the same due process we do for prosecutions of criminal code violation. They get a different and substantially more truncated form of due process for deportation. Most of these illegals targeted in the ICE raids already have a valid deportation order, so there isn't much due process left. Making sure they have the right guy, before sending him home.
Oh wait, when did we kidnap a Nigerian leader. Did I miss that?
Earth to Porter...... We invaded Panama, captured its leader for whom we had a valid indictment, and brought him to the USA for trial. Venezuela is quite a bit more elegant. We did apprehend Maduro (for whom we had a valid indictment) but we did not have to invade the country to do so. Ergo, Venezuela is quite a bit of a process improvement.
Please. I beg you. Quit making a fool of yourself.
He's back to mainlining boogers and glue.
🚨 BREAKING: SecWar Pete Hegseth just APPROVED a CBP request to use Fort Snelling in Minnesota as a forward operating base, housing immigration agents, vehicles, aircraft & equipment!
— Gunther Eagleman™ (@GuntherEagleman) January 26, 2026
All hands on deck!
pic.twitter.com/C6FXMcoJir
whiterock said:
more developments putting into focus the substance of the Trump/Walz discussions. Does not sound like an admin cave. Sounds like an admin ramping up to receive an anticipated surge of criminal illegal aliens.\🚨 BREAKING: SecWar Pete Hegseth just APPROVED a CBP request to use Fort Snelling in Minnesota as a forward operating base, housing immigration agents, vehicles, aircraft & equipment!
— Gunther Eagleman™ (@GuntherEagleman) January 26, 2026
All hands on deck!
pic.twitter.com/C6FXMcoJir
Trump just spoke to Frey pic.twitter.com/zPssmUGRkZ
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 26, 2026
Harrison Bergeron said:whiterock said:
more developments putting into focus the substance of the Trump/Walz discussions. Does not sound like an admin cave. Sounds like an admin ramping up to receive an anticipated surge of criminal illegal aliens.\🚨 BREAKING: SecWar Pete Hegseth just APPROVED a CBP request to use Fort Snelling in Minnesota as a forward operating base, housing immigration agents, vehicles, aircraft & equipment!
— Gunther Eagleman™ (@GuntherEagleman) January 26, 2026
All hands on deck!
pic.twitter.com/C6FXMcoJir
It does not matter. Regardless of what happens the oligarch media will disinform just like the do daily.
Regardless, it is a good look. The reality is that the average American does not pay much attention, is not sophisticated, and regular gets disinformed. Most believe ICE shot a mom taking her kid to school, kidnapped a five-year-old, and murdered a poor male nurse in cold blood for no reason. Republicans have to live with the constant battle against not only Democrats but their powerful disinformation machine.
whiterock said:
Fairly anodyne statement, but could signal that MN municipal government is caving as well.....to release criminal illegal aliens directly to ICE.Trump just spoke to Frey pic.twitter.com/zPssmUGRkZ
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 26, 2026
BearFan33 said:
In all seriousness I think the infiltration and dissemination of the anti-ICE signal chat participants has got Minn leaders a little scared.
whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Then he has to stay in power. He has to keep the House and the Senate past midterms. You don't do that shooting protesters in the Street with masked Agents in tactical gear.
Sending Homan is the right move. Trump now made the first move by sending him. Trump is admitting it was poorly handled. Smart.
Walz now needs to cooperate and open the jails to the Feds.
Homan will give on tactics and work more with local police support.
Walz will tell Frey to order the Police to work with them.
Both save face, both make their points and ICE keeps finding people. Trump bugles how he listened.
The NEXT thing you will see is ICE NOT going to Maine next. Collins is too exposed. She is a pain, but she is a GOP pain...
Or, I am totally wrong...
Yes, you're totally wrong. Homan wasn't sent in as an admission of error by Trump. That's ****ing crazy **** you've imagined or were told by someone who imagined it. Not sure you realize it but you've been saying for years that everything Trump says and does is going to cost republicans power. (You Arne the only one) Yet they've only gotten more powerful. You've been wrong on almost every single issue you've tried to speak on. It's all boils down to this; would ICE's legal and lawful tactics work without democrats impeding and attacking them? The answer is unequivocally yes.
Yeah, they aren't going to come to the middle to work it out. He really came down on him.
MN is a sanctuary state which for many years has refused to cooperate with ICE operations and pointedly refused to hand criminal illegal aliens with deportation orders in state custody over to ICE for deportation. So Homeland Security wades in with a big ICE operation. Riots start. People get hurt. Riots escalate. A couple of folks get killed fighting with ICE. Trump engages directly and sends Tom Homan in to sort things out. Walz agrees to hand over criminal illegal aliens to ICE.
But the neverTrumpers will say Trump lost, Trump caved, Trump did more harm than good, unnecessary harm when velvet touches were more appropriate, etc.....instead of just acknowledging the bloody effin' obvious - that Trump restored rule of law in a sanctuary state and got done what voters elected him to do.
Translation: he violated a state's sovereignty and coerced it into enforcing federal law.
A state has no sovereignty to interfere with federal law enforcement operations.
A state has no sovereignty to abuse federal funding.
More to the point, the Supremacy Clause determines what happens when a state's sovereignty conflicts with federal law,
There's no conflict with federal law. Minnesota simply isn't required to enforce it.
They are also not allowed to impede it.
