There is a division between people who think we still have a society where law and order function in a nonpartisan way, and people who realized that it stopped doing so a long time ago.

We have been fighting a civil war with plowshares for some time. We on the right have been losing that war thanks to a politicized judicial branch that has dragged the country leftward. Crime against Christians is excused. Crime by blacks is not prosecuted, and that started with OJ.

In Minnesota, the left has tried to heat that war up. Now we on the right either (1) wring our hands like we did during the BLM riots, do nothing, and lose or (2) escalate and win for once. Pass the save act. Charge George and Alex Soros with Treason, strip them of their citizenship, send them back to Hungary for Orban to deal with. Shut down the NGOs. Get every last one of those 30 million illegals out. Escalate by orders of magnitude to save the republic, or lose it forever. We have a year to get this done.

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There is a division between people who think we still have a society where law and order function in a nonpartisan way, and people who realized that it stopped doing so a long time ago.

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Society functions in the way we make it function. The division is between those (on both sides) who choose law and order and those who choose partisan warfare.

These threads are so predictable, you might think AI generates them.

That is the case with 90% of the comments posted on this message board.

Regardless of the topic.

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Sounding like any other case of playing stupid games and (predictably) winning stupid prizes.

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How so? And what action justified his shooting?

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No matter who you are, it's not smart to approach a law enforcement officer with a loaded firearm and no ID and then (obviously most importantly) resist if the law enforcement officer tries to disarm you. Again, it all gets back to the basic rule of thumb that law enforcement officers ' commands should always be obeyed. If you do so you aren't going to get shot and you aren't going to die. If you don't do so, first of all, at best, nothing good is gonna come from it and second of all, at worst you might die. Period.

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That would be true if that is actually what happened.

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Do we know what actually happened?

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How many times, warranted or not, does this have to happen for ICE to step back and say "we are not handling this well". Homan needs to realize something is not working if you have two shooting in two weeks.

He is a pro, I can't believe he is sitting there saying - Keep at it.

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I guess the question is, do you concede to the inmates, and let them run the asylum? Do we allow the people who are purposely confronting and assaulting ICE officers on a daily basis to win? Do we allow them to just break the law unchecked?

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Do we know the definition of "assault?"

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I know it. Do you?

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I can guess...protesting while not "conservative."

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Interesting . I thought you were going to say protesting while not Russian.

See Texas Penal Code 22.01 for the Texas definition. Most jurisdictions have a similar definition.

But I'm sure those ICE officers deserve being hit, kicked, pushed, having objects thrown at them and being hit by cars.

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Sounding like any other case of playing stupid games and (predictably) winning stupid prizes.

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How so? And what action justified his shooting?

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No matter who you are, it's not smart to approach a law enforcement officer with a loaded firearm and no ID and then (obviously most importantly) resist if the law enforcement officer tries to disarm you. Again, it all gets back to the basic rule of thumb that law enforcement officers ' commands should always be obeyed. If you do so you aren't going to get shot and you aren't going to die. If you don't do so, first of all, at best, nothing good is gonna come from it and second of all, at worst you might die. Period.

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That would be true if that is actually what happened.

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Do we know what actually happened?

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How many times, warranted or not, does this have to happen for ICE to step back and say "we are not handling this well". Homan needs to realize something is not working if you have two shooting in two weeks.

He is a pro, I can't believe he is sitting there saying - Keep at it.

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I guess the question is, do you concede to the inmates, and let them run the asylum? Do we allow the people who are purposely confronting and assaulting ICE officers on a daily basis to win? Do we allow them to just break the law unchecked?

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Do we know the definition of "assault?"

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I know it. Do you?

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I can guess...protesting while not "conservative."

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Interesting . I thought you were going to say protesting while not Russian.

See Texas Penal Code 22.01 for the Texas definition. Most jurisdictions have a similar definition.

But I'm sure those ICE officers deserve being hit, kicked, pushed, having objects thrown at them and being hit by cars.

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That is concerning. I'm surprised no one has posted video.

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Mothra said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Sounding like any other case of playing stupid games and (predictably) winning stupid prizes.

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How so? And what action justified his shooting?

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No matter who you are, it's not smart to approach a law enforcement officer with a loaded firearm and no ID and then (obviously most importantly) resist if the law enforcement officer tries to disarm you. Again, it all gets back to the basic rule of thumb that law enforcement officers ' commands should always be obeyed. If you do so you aren't going to get shot and you aren't going to die. If you don't do so, first of all, at best, nothing good is gonna come from it and second of all, at worst you might die. Period.

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That would be true if that is actually what happened.

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Do we know what actually happened?

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How many times, warranted or not, does this have to happen for ICE to step back and say "we are not handling this well". Homan needs to realize something is not working if you have two shooting in two weeks.

He is a pro, I can't believe he is sitting there saying - Keep at it.

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Holy misdirection, Batman!.
How about the rioters step back and let ICE do its job?

Immigration agents have only shot at 4 people in 2026 despite carrying out thousands of operations nationwide:

- One was armed with a handgun
- One was armed with a shovel
- Two weaponized their vehicles

Not a single person has been shot for holding a sign and protesting.

— johnny maga (@_johnnymaga) January 25, 2026

The firearm matters—and the media is hiding it. At the Minneapolis Border Patrol shooting, the suspect was armed with a SIG Sauer P320 AXG Combat, a high-capacity 9mm pistol with a threaded barrel, extended 20–21 round magazine, and a SIG Romeo optic—a setup costing… pic.twitter.com/NECAGsjlbz

— Andrew Branca Show (@TheBrancaShow) January 24, 2026

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Sounding like any other case of playing stupid games and (predictably) winning stupid prizes.

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How so? And what action justified his shooting?

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No matter who you are, it's not smart to approach a law enforcement officer with a loaded firearm and no ID and then (obviously most importantly) resist if the law enforcement officer tries to disarm you. Again, it all gets back to the basic rule of thumb that law enforcement officers ' commands should always be obeyed. If you do so you aren't going to get shot and you aren't going to die. If you don't do so, first of all, at best, nothing good is gonna come from it and second of all, at worst you might die. Period.

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That would be true if that is actually what happened.

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Do we know what actually happened?

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How many times, warranted or not, does this have to happen for ICE to step back and say "we are not handling this well". Homan needs to realize something is not working if you have two shooting in two weeks.

He is a pro, I can't believe he is sitting there saying - Keep at it.

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I guess the question is, do you concede to the inmates, and let them run the asylum? Do we allow the people who are purposely confronting and assaulting ICE officers on a daily basis to win? Do we allow them to just break the law unchecked?

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Do we know the definition of "assault?"

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I know it. Do you?

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I can guess...protesting while not "conservative."

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Interesting . I thought you were going to say protesting while not Russian.

See Texas Penal Code 22.01 for the Texas definition. Most jurisdictions have a similar definition.

But I'm sure those ICE officers deserve being hit, kicked, pushed, having objects thrown at them and being hit by cars.

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That is concerning. I'm surprised no one has posted video.

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You serious Clark?

Tell you what - why don't you do a little YouTube search and see what you find.

Why don't you? You may be surprised.

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Johnny Bear said:

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Sounding like any other case of playing stupid games and (predictably) winning stupid prizes.

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How so? And what action justified his shooting?

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No matter who you are, it's not smart to approach a law enforcement officer with a loaded firearm and no ID and then (obviously most importantly) resist if the law enforcement officer tries to disarm you. Again, it all gets back to the basic rule of thumb that law enforcement officers ' commands should always be obeyed. If you do so you aren't going to get shot and you aren't going to die. If you don't do so, first of all, at best, nothing good is gonna come from it and second of all, at worst you might die. Period.

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You did lazy fact gathering on this one. None of what you said happened. The officers approached him. The officers escalated. They disarmed him and then fired.

If you think that is wrong, we're all damned.

Already pulled up a dozen videos. I think this will be a good exercise for you little buddy.

Tim Walz and the other radicals are to blame. There is a reason this is only happening in one place.

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I've got nothing.

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Duly noted, thanks.

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I've got nothing.

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Duly noted, thanks.

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Here's a good start for you little buddy.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/ice-agents-finger-bit-off-dhs-reveals-suspects-photos-amid-alex-pretti-shooting-row-minneapolis-minnesota-101769293449339-amp.html

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Already pulled up a dozen videos. I think this will be a good exercise for you little buddy.

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The default for Federal Agents should not be shooting and then the family have prove they didn't deserve to be shot.


There are a ton of videos, all stop actioned at different points, there is enough here to question why the guy was shot multiple times.


ICE cannot keep doing this and survive as an agency. Too many people are against the ICE tactics, the political cost is going to get too high.

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Duly noted, thanks.

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Here's a good start for you little buddy.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/ice-agents-finger-bit-off-dhs-reveals-suspects-photos-amid-alex-pretti-shooting-row-minneapolis-minnesota-101769293449339-amp.html

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And she is sitting there and will be tried and judged. Well done. They didn't shoot her in the street, as Judge and executioner.

That is how it should be done when people break the law. Arrest, detain, charge and judge, following due process. What you don't do is empty you magazine into her...

Your point?

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Already pulled up a dozen videos. I think this will be a good exercise for you little buddy.

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The default for Federal Agents should not be shooting and then the family have prove they didn't deserve to be shot.


There are a ton of videos, all stop actioned at different points, there is enough here to question why the guy was shot multiple times.


ICE cannot keep doing this and survive as an agency. Too many people are against the ICE tactics, the political cost is going to get too high.

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And yet I doubt you had much outrage over the killing of Ashli Babbitt. It's funny how tribal thinking affects opinions. (the difference is non-TDSers generally are consistent ... for example, I think all three are tragedies but self-inflicted)

Before TDS, it would not have been controversial about an armed man actively interfering in law enforcement was risking being shot. However, TDS melts brains.

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Mothra said:

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Already pulled up a dozen videos. I think this will be a good exercise for you little buddy.

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The default for Federal Agents should not be shooting and then the family have prove they didn't deserve to be shot.


There are a ton of videos, all stop actioned at different points, there is enough here to question why the guy was shot multiple times.


ICE cannot keep doing this and survive as an agency. Too many people are against the ICE tactics, the political cost is going to get too high.

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And yet I doubt you had much outrage over the killing of Ashli Babbitt. It's funny how tribal thinking affects opinions. (the difference is non-TDSers generally are consistent ... for example, I think all three are tragedies but self-inflicted)

Before TDS, it would not have been controversial about an armed man actively interfering in law enforcement was risking being shot. However, TDS melts brains.

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Babitt broke into the Capital after being told the Capital was closed through a window and stormed the Chambers with Congress in session. They had to evacuate Congress. The Capital Police officer was investigated by DOJ and was cleared. They weren't on TV 2 hours later saying the shooting was justified like Homan did with Renee Goode. NO investigation by DOJ.

You guys really don't see the difference where how they are doing this makes a difference.

FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Already pulled up a dozen videos. I think this will be a good exercise for you little buddy.

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The default for Federal Agents should not be shooting and then the family have prove they didn't deserve to be shot.


There are a ton of videos, all stop actioned at different points, there is enough here to question why the guy was shot multiple times.


ICE cannot keep doing this and survive as an agency. Too many people are against the ICE tactics, the political cost is going to get too high.

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And yet I doubt you had much outrage over the killing of Ashli Babbitt. It's funny how tribal thinking affects opinions. (the difference is non-TDSers generally are consistent ... for example, I think all three are tragedies but self-inflicted)

Before TDS, it would not have been controversial about an armed man actively interfering in law enforcement was risking being shot. However, TDS melts brains.

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Babitt broke into the Capital after being told the Capital was closed through a window and stormed the Chambers with Congress in session. They had to evacuate Congress. The Capital Police officer was investigated by DOJ and was cleared. They weren't on TV 2 hours later saying the shooting was justified like Homan did with Renee Goode. NO investigation by DOJ.

You guys really don't see the difference where how they are doing this makes a difference.

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You did not have to prove my point but thank you.

FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Already pulled up a dozen videos. I think this will be a good exercise for you little buddy.

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The default for Federal Agents should not be shooting and then the family have prove they didn't deserve to be shot.


There are a ton of videos, all stop actioned at different points, there is enough here to question why the guy was shot multiple times.


ICE cannot keep doing this and survive as an agency. Too many people are against the ICE tactics, the political cost is going to get too high.

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And yet I doubt you had much outrage over the killing of Ashli Babbitt. It's funny how tribal thinking affects opinions. (the difference is non-TDSers generally are consistent ... for example, I think all three are tragedies but self-inflicted)

Before TDS, it would not have been controversial about an armed man actively interfering in law enforcement was risking being shot. However, TDS melts brains.

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Babitt broke into the Capital after being told the Capital was closed through a window and stormed the Chambers with Congress in session. They had to evacuate Congress. The Capital Police officer was investigated by DOJ and was cleared. They weren't on TV 2 hours later saying the shooting was justified like Homan did with Renee Goode. NO investigation by DOJ.

You guys really don't see the difference where how they are doing this makes a difference.

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Biden officials and Democratic politicians were out immediately saying it was a "justified shooting" before we new 100% of the facts or an investigation had taken place

And unlike Trump and the Republicans…they had a Media ecosystem already setting the narrative across all platforms that Ashli Babbitt deserved to get shot and had it coming

Let's not rewrite history

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Tim Walz and the other radicals are to blame. There is a reason this is only happening in one place.

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idiot alert

It's tacky, but I could not help but laugh at the meme were they took the guy's picture and put it in the Facebook from from Covid with "Staying Home Saves Lives."

Not untrue but still kind of ****ty.

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23% of all ICE arrests occur in Texas

2.2% occur in Minnesota

A 10-fold difference

Yet far more ICE-related violence is happening in Minnesota

Why? Because Democrats are promoting and provoking violence in Minnesota

Democrats do not hate violence

Violence is their goal

— Kevin Bass (@kevinnbass) January 24, 2026

(I haven't verified the data but it wouldn't surprise me

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Texas does have 18 times the illegal population Minnesota has, so there should be 18 times the arrests. So the arrest numbers aren't unusual.

Texas has 1.6 million illegals. Maine only has 5 thousand, yet I hear they are a new target.

With Trump targeting seems to be politically motivated.

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Texas government is helping and cooperating with Federal authorities to deport illegals found inside Texas

So no need for direct ICE operations on the streets (thought they actually still sometimes take place)

In States that refuse to help or try to hinder Federal law the reason is thus not political but rational

PS

Maine has a Republican senator and a Independent Senator and it's State House of Representatives is 74 D vs 72 R

And Trump only lost the State by a few percentage points in the last election

Not exactly a place that is "anti-Trump" or that he would have any reasons to target

ICE in there because the Democratic governor is impeding Federal immigration laws and won't help. And because there is a lot of Somali fraud there

"December 2025, Maine Gov. Mills allowed a bill to become law that limits how state and local police can collaborate with federal immigration authorities"

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That sounds fairly reasonable. But, with 5K illegals in the entire state there are better uses of resources. Only WV, Montana, and Wyoming have less illegals.

Trump still targets states/people politically. I get it, he has been targeted for over a decade now.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Already pulled up a dozen videos. I think this will be a good exercise for you little buddy.

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The default for Federal Agents should not be shooting and then the family have prove they didn't deserve to be shot.


There are a ton of videos, all stop actioned at different points, there is enough here to question why the guy was shot multiple times.


ICE cannot keep doing this and survive as an agency. Too many people are against the ICE tactics, the political cost is going to get too high.

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And yet I doubt you had much outrage over the killing of Ashli Babbitt. It's funny how tribal thinking affects opinions. (the difference is non-TDSers generally are consistent ... for example, I think all three are tragedies but self-inflicted)

Before TDS, it would not have been controversial about an armed man actively interfering in law enforcement was risking being shot. However, TDS melts brains.

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Babitt broke into the Capital after being told the Capital was closed through a window and stormed the Chambers with Congress in session. They had to evacuate Congress. The Capital Police officer was investigated by DOJ and was cleared. They weren't on TV 2 hours later saying the shooting was justified like Homan did with Renee Goode. NO investigation by DOJ.

You guys really don't see the difference where how they are doing this makes a difference.

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You did not have to prove my point but thank you.

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You really think that proved your point?

Forest Bueller III said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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midgett said:

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23% of all ICE arrests occur in Texas

2.2% occur in Minnesota

A 10-fold difference

Yet far more ICE-related violence is happening in Minnesota

Why? Because Democrats are promoting and provoking violence in Minnesota

Democrats do not hate violence

Violence is their goal

— Kevin Bass (@kevinnbass) January 24, 2026

(I haven't verified the data but it wouldn't surprise me

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Texas does have 18 times the illegal population Minnesota has, so there should be 18 times the arrests. So the arrest numbers aren't unusual.

Texas has 1.6 million illegals. Maine only has 5 thousand, yet I hear they are a new target.

With Trump targeting seems to be politically motivated.

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Texas government is helping and cooperating with Federal authorities to deport illegals found inside Texas

So no need for direct ICE operations on the streets (thought they actually still sometimes take place)

In States that refuse to help or try to hinder Federal law the reason is thus not political but rational

PS

Maine has a Republican senator and a Independent Senator and it's State House of Representatives is 74 D vs 72 R

And Trump only lost the State by a few percentage points in the last election

Not exactly a place that is "anti-Trump" or that he would have any reasons to target

ICE in there because the Democratic governor is impeding Federal immigration laws and won't help. And because there is a lot of Somali fraud there

"December 2025, Maine Gov. Mills allowed a bill to become law that limits how state and local police can collaborate with federal immigration authorities"

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That sounds fairly reasonable. But, with 5K illegals in the entire state there are better uses of resources. Only WV, Montana, and Wyoming have less illegals.

Trump still targets states/people politically. I get it, he has been targeted for over a decade now.

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It's simply an easily verifiable fact that the administration is not specifically "targeting" these places.

Maybe resources would be better other places… but maybe not

Trump isn't targeting blue states. They just gum up the works, so require more ICE presence.

From Feb–Oct 2025, red states disproportionately more ICE arrests relative to their illegal migrant population share. Large blue states like California, New York, and Illinois fell… pic.twitter.com/C9UEoRrspv

— Charlie Smirkley (@charliesmirkley) January 24, 2026

Redbrickbear said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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midgett said:

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23% of all ICE arrests occur in Texas

2.2% occur in Minnesota

A 10-fold difference

Yet far more ICE-related violence is happening in Minnesota

Why? Because Democrats are promoting and provoking violence in Minnesota

Democrats do not hate violence

Violence is their goal

— Kevin Bass (@kevinnbass) January 24, 2026

(I haven't verified the data but it wouldn't surprise me

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Texas does have 18 times the illegal population Minnesota has, so there should be 18 times the arrests. So the arrest numbers aren't unusual.

Texas has 1.6 million illegals. Maine only has 5 thousand, yet I hear they are a new target.

With Trump targeting seems to be politically motivated.

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Texas government is helping and cooperating with Federal authorities to deport illegals found inside Texas

So no need for direct ICE operations on the streets (thought they actually still sometimes take place)

In States that refuse to help or try to hinder Federal law the reason is thus not political but rational

PS

Maine has a Republican senator and a Independent Senator and it's State House of Representatives is 74 D vs 72 R

And Trump only lost the State by a few percentage points in the last election

Not exactly a place that is "anti-Trump" or that he would have any reasons to target

ICE in there because the Democratic governor is impeding Federal immigration laws and won't help. And because there is a lot of Somali fraud there

"December 2025, Maine Gov. Mills allowed a bill to become law that limits how state and local police can collaborate with federal immigration authorities"

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That sounds fairly reasonable. But, with 5K illegals in the entire state there are better uses of resources. Only WV, Montana, and Wyoming have less illegals.

Trump still targets states/people politically. I get it, he has been targeted for over a decade now.

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It's simply an easily verifiable fact that the administration is not specifically "targeting" these places.

Maybe resources would be better other places… but maybe not

Trump isn't targeting blue states. They just gum up the works, so require more ICE presence.

From Feb–Oct 2025, red states disproportionately more ICE arrests relative to their illegal migrant population share. Large blue states like California, New York, and Illinois fell… pic.twitter.com/C9UEoRrspv

— Charlie Smirkley (@charliesmirkley) January 24, 2026

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I'm not talking about just Ice, Trump is a petty vindictive person, he certainly targets people politically. Again I don't say I blame him. He has had it done to him for over a decade.

Forest Bueller III said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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midgett said:

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23% of all ICE arrests occur in Texas

2.2% occur in Minnesota

A 10-fold difference

Yet far more ICE-related violence is happening in Minnesota

Why? Because Democrats are promoting and provoking violence in Minnesota

Democrats do not hate violence

Violence is their goal

— Kevin Bass (@kevinnbass) January 24, 2026

(I haven't verified the data but it wouldn't surprise me

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Texas does have 18 times the illegal population Minnesota has, so there should be 18 times the arrests. So the arrest numbers aren't unusual.

Texas has 1.6 million illegals. Maine only has 5 thousand, yet I hear they are a new target.

With Trump targeting seems to be politically motivated.

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Texas government is helping and cooperating with Federal authorities to deport illegals found inside Texas

So no need for direct ICE operations on the streets (thought they actually still sometimes take place)

In States that refuse to help or try to hinder Federal law the reason is thus not political but rational

PS

Maine has a Republican senator and a Independent Senator and it's State House of Representatives is 74 D vs 72 R

And Trump only lost the State by a few percentage points in the last election

Not exactly a place that is "anti-Trump" or that he would have any reasons to target

ICE in there because the Democratic governor is impeding Federal immigration laws and won't help. And because there is a lot of Somali fraud there

"December 2025, Maine Gov. Mills allowed a bill to become law that limits how state and local police can collaborate with federal immigration authorities"

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That sounds fairly reasonable. But, with 5K illegals in the entire state there are better uses of resources. Only WV, Montana, and Wyoming have less illegals.

Trump still targets states/people politically. I get it, he has been targeted for over a decade now.

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It's just not smart politically or practically. Let the states that love having and paying for illegals keep them. Get them all out of Texas first.

Redbrickbear said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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midgett said:

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23% of all ICE arrests occur in Texas

2.2% occur in Minnesota

A 10-fold difference

Yet far more ICE-related violence is happening in Minnesota

Why? Because Democrats are promoting and provoking violence in Minnesota

Democrats do not hate violence

Violence is their goal

— Kevin Bass (@kevinnbass) January 24, 2026

(I haven't verified the data but it wouldn't surprise me

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Texas does have 18 times the illegal population Minnesota has, so there should be 18 times the arrests. So the arrest numbers aren't unusual.

Texas has 1.6 million illegals. Maine only has 5 thousand, yet I hear they are a new target.

With Trump targeting seems to be politically motivated.

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Texas government is helping and cooperating with Federal authorities to deport illegals found inside Texas

So no need for direct ICE operations on the streets (thought they actually still sometimes take place)

In States that refuse to help or try to hinder Federal law the reason is thus not political but rational

PS

Maine has a Republican senator and a Independent Senator and it's State House of Representatives is 74 D vs 72 R

And Trump only lost the State by a few percentage points in the last election

Not exactly a place that is "anti-Trump" or that he would have any reasons to target

ICE in there because the Democratic governor is impeding Federal immigration laws and won't help. And because there is a lot of Somali fraud there

"December 2025, Maine Gov. Mills allowed a bill to become law that limits how state and local police can collaborate with federal immigration authorities"

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That sounds fairly reasonable. But, with 5K illegals in the entire state there are better uses of resources. Only WV, Montana, and Wyoming have less illegals.

Trump still targets states/people politically. I get it, he has been targeted for over a decade now.

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It's simply an easily verifiable fact that the administration is not specifically "targeting" these places.

Maybe resources would be better other places… but maybe not

Trump isn't targeting blue states. They just gum up the works, so require more ICE presence.

From Feb–Oct 2025, red states disproportionately more ICE arrests relative to their illegal migrant population share. Large blue states like California, New York, and Illinois fell… pic.twitter.com/C9UEoRrspv

— Charlie Smirkley (@charliesmirkley) January 24, 2026

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And there is Maine with a better than average arrest record.

West Virginia is the champion no doubt. Don't mess with West Virginia.

FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Mothra said:

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Already pulled up a dozen videos. I think this will be a good exercise for you little buddy.

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The default for Federal Agents should not be shooting and then the family have prove they didn't deserve to be shot.


There are a ton of videos, all stop actioned at different points, there is enough here to question why the guy was shot multiple times.


ICE cannot keep doing this and survive as an agency. Too many people are against the ICE tactics, the political cost is going to get too high.

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And yet I doubt you had much outrage over the killing of Ashli Babbitt. It's funny how tribal thinking affects opinions. (the difference is non-TDSers generally are consistent ... for example, I think all three are tragedies but self-inflicted)

Before TDS, it would not have been controversial about an armed man actively interfering in law enforcement was risking being shot. However, TDS melts brains.

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Babitt broke into the Capital after being told the Capital was closed through a window and stormed the Chambers with Congress in session. They had to evacuate Congress. The Capital Police officer was investigated by DOJ and was cleared. They weren't on TV 2 hours later saying the shooting was justified like Homan did with Renee Goode. NO investigation by DOJ.

You guys really don't see the difference where how they are doing this makes a difference.

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You did not have to prove my point but thank you.

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You really think that proved your point?

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Yes. You do not really concerned about federal agents killing unarmed or armed people. You just proved it - again. The LWNJ Talking Points are always written in broad, general terms easily disproven. You're fine justifying the killing of an unarmed woman if it suits your agenda but are outraged if an armed man is killed or a woman is killed trying to runover an ICE officer - the only difference in your take on each is the T-shirt. It's actually pretty simple and straightforward. The difference between us is that I am consistent and do not change my principle based on tribalism.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Already pulled up a dozen videos. I think this will be a good exercise for you little buddy.

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The default for Federal Agents should not be shooting and then the family have prove they didn't deserve to be shot.


There are a ton of videos, all stop actioned at different points, there is enough here to question why the guy was shot multiple times.


ICE cannot keep doing this and survive as an agency. Too many people are against the ICE tactics, the political cost is going to get too high.

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And yet I doubt you had much outrage over the killing of Ashli Babbitt. It's funny how tribal thinking affects opinions. (the difference is non-TDSers generally are consistent ... for example, I think all three are tragedies but self-inflicted)

Before TDS, it would not have been controversial about an armed man actively interfering in law enforcement was risking being shot. However, TDS melts brains.

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Babitt broke into the Capital after being told the Capital was closed through a window and stormed the Chambers with Congress in session. They had to evacuate Congress. The Capital Police officer was investigated by DOJ and was cleared. They weren't on TV 2 hours later saying the shooting was justified like Homan did with Renee Goode. NO investigation by DOJ.

You guys really don't see the difference where how they are doing this makes a difference.

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You did not have to prove my point but thank you.

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You really think that proved your point?

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Yes. You do not really concerned about federal agents killing unarmed or armed people. You just proved it - again. The LWNJ Talking Points are always written in broad, general terms easily disproven. You're fine justifying the killing of an unarmed woman if it suits your agenda but are outraged if an armed man is killed or a woman is killed trying to runover an ICE officer - the only difference in your take on each is the T-shirt. It's actually pretty simple and straightforward. The difference between us is that I am consistent and do not change my principle based on tribalism.

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What? Wow, you made that jump all by yourself?

FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Already pulled up a dozen videos. I think this will be a good exercise for you little buddy.

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The default for Federal Agents should not be shooting and then the family have prove they didn't deserve to be shot.


There are a ton of videos, all stop actioned at different points, there is enough here to question why the guy was shot multiple times.


ICE cannot keep doing this and survive as an agency. Too many people are against the ICE tactics, the political cost is going to get too high.

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And yet I doubt you had much outrage over the killing of Ashli Babbitt. It's funny how tribal thinking affects opinions. (the difference is non-TDSers generally are consistent ... for example, I think all three are tragedies but self-inflicted)

Before TDS, it would not have been controversial about an armed man actively interfering in law enforcement was risking being shot. However, TDS melts brains.

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Babitt broke into the Capital after being told the Capital was closed through a window and stormed the Chambers with Congress in session. They had to evacuate Congress. The Capital Police officer was investigated by DOJ and was cleared. They weren't on TV 2 hours later saying the shooting was justified like Homan did with Renee Goode. NO investigation by DOJ.

You guys really don't see the difference where how they are doing this makes a difference.

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You did not have to prove my point but thank you.

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You really think that proved your point?

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Yes. You do not really concerned about federal agents killing unarmed or armed people. You just proved it - again. The LWNJ Talking Points are always written in broad, general terms easily disproven. You're fine justifying the killing of an unarmed woman if it suits your agenda but are outraged if an armed man is killed or a woman is killed trying to runover an ICE officer - the only difference in your take on each is the T-shirt. It's actually pretty simple and straightforward. The difference between us is that I am consistent and do not change my principle based on tribalism.

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What? Wow, you made that jump all by yourself?

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No sweetie. I just read your posts. It's not complicated.

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23% of all ICE arrests occur in Texas

2.2% occur in Minnesota

A 10-fold difference

Yet far more ICE-related violence is happening in Minnesota

Why? Because Democrats are promoting and provoking violence in Minnesota

Democrats do not hate violence

Violence is their goal

— Kevin Bass (@kevinnbass) January 24, 2026

(I haven't verified the data but it wouldn't surprise me

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Texas does have 18 times the illegal population Minnesota has, so there should be 18 times the arrests. So the arrest numbers aren't unusual.

Texas has 1.6 million illegals. Maine only has 5 thousand, yet I hear they are a new target.

With Trump targeting seems to be politically motivated.

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Texas government is helping and cooperating with Federal authorities to deport illegals found inside Texas

So no need for direct ICE operations on the streets (thought they actually still sometimes take place)

In States that refuse to help or try to hinder Federal law the reason is thus not political but rational

PS

Maine has a Republican senator and a Independent Senator and it's State House of Representatives is 74 D vs 72 R

And Trump only lost the State by a few percentage points in the last election

Not exactly a place that is "anti-Trump" or that he would have any reasons to target

ICE in there because the Democratic governor is impeding Federal immigration laws and won't help. And because there is a lot of Somali fraud there

"December 2025, Maine Gov. Mills allowed a bill to become law that limits how state and local police can collaborate with federal immigration authorities"

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That sounds fairly reasonable. But, with 5K illegals in the entire state there are better uses of resources. Only WV, Montana, and Wyoming have less illegals.

Trump still targets states/people politically. I get it, he has been targeted for over a decade now.

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It's simply an easily verifiable fact that the administration is not specifically "targeting" these places.

Maybe resources would be better other places… but maybe not

Trump isn't targeting blue states. They just gum up the works, so require more ICE presence.

From Feb–Oct 2025, red states disproportionately more ICE arrests relative to their illegal migrant population share. Large blue states like California, New York, and Illinois fell… pic.twitter.com/C9UEoRrspv

— Charlie Smirkley (@charliesmirkley) January 24, 2026

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And there is Maine with a better than average arrest record.

West Virginia is the champion no doubt. Don't mess with West Virginia.

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The issue is not with the arrests or even the resources, it is the tactics. How they are doing it is problematic.

Maybe the tactics in the Red States, and Maine, are fine. The Blue States may need a different set of tactics. Maybe cookie cutter is not the way to go.

What is being done in MN is not working. Time to step back, re-assess and change tactics before more people are shot.

OR, that is the point. This is meant to break them, so they don't care how many get shot. Based on the last Press Conference, I am leaning toward this is meant to intimidate and break their will.


Typical FBI Press Conference

J.R. said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Tim Walz and the other radicals are to blame. There is a reason this is only happening in one place.

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idiot alert

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It's not necessary to issue alerts about yourself - we already know. But thanks for the courtesy anyway.