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There were other operations against Trump, which were attributed to Iran.

Either the USSS was good, the US had better than usual intel, or the guys sent by Iran were not very good.

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Or the most logical choice - these operations are fake news propaganda spread by Israel and gobbled up by ******ed Boomers.

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Least logical, and most batcrap, is your guess there, boyo.

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That poor kid has let his hatred of the Jews take over to the degree that he believes the Iranian regime propaganda over all Western Civilized nations media, intelligence, independent reporters, etc.

I don't think I've ever seen antisemitism destroy a brain to that level. Amazing and sad at the same time.

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The majority of Americans agree with me... you old men are just completely detached from reality and living in your own Fox News bubbles.

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Arby's deficiency, advanced stages

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#HitTheHat

- UF

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No country has been more harmed by Iran than Lebanon.

BREAKING: The Lebanese 🇱🇧 army just arrested 12 armed Hezbollah terrorists on their way to southern Lebanon.

With the regime in Iran weaker than ever, Lebanon is finally starting to crack down on Hezbollah, the Iranian regime proxy that challenged its sovereignty for decades.

— Hen Mazzig (@HenMazzig) March 3, 2026

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Extremely symbolic gesture.

The people of Lebanon have been bullied by Iran and its terrorists for over 25 years.

Maybe Trump is on to something here.

Now if only Israel can restrain itself.

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I am generally against war. On one hand, Maduro was a dictator who drove his country into collapse, and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was simply an evil theocrat. They are now out of powerone is imprisoned and the other is dead. This raises the possibility that democracy could take hold in these countries.

On the other hand, what will happen next when the mission is completed? By the way, what is the mission, as Trump has not articulated one. When will we bring the troops home?

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All good questions

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BREAKING:

Trump said he wouldn’t rule out sending U.S. ground troops into Iran "if they were necessary," adding, “I don’t have the yips with respect to boots on the ground — like every president says, ‘There will be no boots on the ground.’

"I don’t say it," and suggested the… pic.twitter.com/9OrePA6hV7

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) March 2, 2026

I both know there are going to be screw ups.....losses. Just hope we have the will to use every asset available and destroy Iran's entire military capacity.

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There is no win for us. Iranians have to liberate themselves.

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won't be easy - similar to Saddam slaughtering his population for 20+ years....

BUT the Persians aren't the Iraqis.

W/ some situational help - they're likely to succeed.

But it will be a slog.

- UF

D!

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The Persians are definitely the most capable to pull of the independence (compared to Afghans or Iraqis) but still, they have to do it and it's easy for me because my life ain't on the line.

Not everyone want liberty or death. Some want Arby's but will accept Jack in the Box.

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Agree

Iran/ Persia is a real nation with a real history. Thousands of years of national existence in one form or another

Iraq was always a province of various empires since the time of Islam. Low level of identification with Iraqi nationalism (Kurdish identity, Sunni Arab identity, Shiite identity came first)

Afghanistan as well was a border land between empires and almost always a lose collection of warning tribal confederations and tribal alliances. (Pashtuns vs everyone else)

If we were ever going to "nation build" it might be smart to actually work with a real nation to begin with.

I'm sure that saves a lot of work

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Except we cannot build a nation for anyone. They have to do it themselves. Much of our failed efforts for many years prove that point. We provided the push and the opportunity to the Persians.

The good news is that the Iranian people seem to be willing to do that. The remaining questions are if they are able to accomplish this and will the military help them or hinder them. Much is still uncertain and no one knows how this will play out. I can only assume you meant something like this.

It's only been 14 months since Pres Autopen left office, aka Obama's sock puppet. And, as has often been the case, a leader's impact can last many years after they are gone from the scene.

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China demands immediate reopening of Hormuz Strait as 50% of its oil import faces collapse

This move signals a direct effort by Beijing to leverage its position as the Islamic Republic's primary economic partner.

Following the launch of the U.S.-Israeli operations Lion's Roar and Epic Fury which resulted in the death of Ayatollah Khamenei and senior IRGC leadership shipping through the energy hub has been paralyzed.

Stability in the Hormuz Strait is a matter of national survival for Beijing. In December alone, nearly half of China's crude oil imports passed through this narrow chokepoint. Foreign Ministry spokesperson Mao Ning said that China "strongly urges all parties to immediately cease military actions, avoid escalating tensions, and ensure the safety of navigation."

Beyond public statements, Beijing is reportedly exerting significant "behind-the-scenes" pressure on Tehran:

Sources from Chinese state-owned enterprises indicate that officials are pressuring their Iranian counterparts to ensure that oil and Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) tankers are not targeted by retaliatory strikes.

Beijing is particularly concerned about Qatari gas, which accounts for 30% of China's LNG supply. Any disruption to these shipments or strikes on Qatari export hubs will cause an immediate energy crisis in China.
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Chinese society might currently be ruled by atheist communists, but they still follow a secular version of the Mandate of Heaven.

In China, the government is considered legitimate if it ensures stability and economic prosperity. If it cannot do so, then the Chinese public suddenly becomes much less tolerant of the CCPs authoritarian tendencies.

The way to hit China where it hurts is to put economic pressure on the population. Keep them too busy suppressing dissent in a country of 1 billion+ people to worry about about invading Taiwan.

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That has already happened apparently: Iran provided 55% of their oil.

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There were other operations against Trump, which were attributed to Iran.

Either the USSS was good, the US had better than usual intel, or the guys sent by Iran were not very good.

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Or the most logical choice - these operations are fake news propaganda spread by Israel and gobbled up by ******ed Boomers.

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Least logical, and most batcrap, is your guess there, boyo.

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That poor kid has let his hatred of the Jews take over to the degree that he believes the Iranian regime propaganda over all Western Civilized nations media, intelligence, independent reporters, etc.

I don't think I've ever seen antisemitism destroy a brain to that level. Amazing and sad at the same time.

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Unfortunately, that level of antisemitism has existed for thousands of years among many different peoples. The difference is that we get to witness it first hand.

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BREAKING:

Trump said he wouldn’t rule out sending U.S. ground troops into Iran "if they were necessary," adding, “I don’t have the yips with respect to boots on the ground — like every president says, ‘There will be no boots on the ground.’

"I don’t say it," and suggested the… pic.twitter.com/9OrePA6hV7

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) March 2, 2026

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I was not expecting to hear this for at least a couple of weeks.

Another hour, another indication of what a complete cluster**** Trump has initiated.

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LOL uh, no. Geeze what a doofus you are. In geopolitics, you don't take anything off the table. Never. Ever. Make think you'll nuke 'em for nothing. Don't hit 'em hard. Hit 'em furiously, often, deeply, everywhere.

The cluster**** was the last 47 years of unwillingness to deal with the problem. Even Reagan screwed the pooch.

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You make the mistake of thinking the message was directed to Iranians rather than Americans.

And of course you believe Reagan screwed the pooch. He was a realist, not a fanatic. We're about to see what happens when you fanatics have your way.

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Reagan totally mis-managed the response to the Marine barracks bombing. Sent a message of weakness to the Mullahs. Trump is the first POTUS to actually poke them back in any meaningful way.

But you live in an alternate reality, so none of that matters.

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You are 100% correct about Reagan……it was by far his biggest blunder.

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he used the New Jersey to shell targets in Lebanon. Lots of civilian casualties. This was pointed out to me by Lebanese Druze friends who had family injured in the shelling.

Granted, this was before smart bombs. But it was a token belch of anger that harmed others more than it harmed Iran.

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My wife is Christian Lebanese; and a far bigger Trump fan than I am.. Doesn't like or trust Israel whatsoever.

But now that we are in this war.....we agree the only option at this point is to win it. Have always hated that kind of mind set; as it results in more dead Americans.

However the stakes are too big to ignore. You and I both know there are going to be screw ups.....losses. Just hope we have the will to use every asset available and destroy Iran's entire military capacity.

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There is no win for us. Iranians have to liberate themselves.

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When you kill the other guy and live to go home......you win.

Everything else is meaningless conversation.

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The US Troops in Bahrain? No win for them. It's gonna be horrible for us.

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" The price of crude instantly tumbled on Tuesday after the Trump administration is reportedly considering providing, or assisting in obtaining insurance for oil tankers crossing through the strait of Hormuz. "

Money printer goes brrrrr.

I've been a little surprised at the market's take on energy: "Iran no longer has the naval assets to blockade Hormuz". That was never the relevant question. Nor is insurance. The relevant question is if they have the drones to sink enough shipping traffic to obstruct a 10,000 foot wide shipping channel.

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Drones and missiles. Truth? Only need to sink one.

"Critics say President Donald Trump's decision to strike Iran is a violation of his promise not to engage in 'forever wars.' In fact, the opposite is true. Trump is not starting a forever war in Iran; he's ending one." https://t.co/aZezsD7qBL

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) March 3, 2026

.@SecRubio: "In the next few hours and days, you're going to really begin to perceive a change in the scope and in the intensity of these attacks as, frankly, the two most powerful air forces in the world take apart this terroristic regime and defang it." pic.twitter.com/KVG5qcjOpy

— CSPAN (@cspan) March 3, 2026

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NOW - Trump: "We're gonna cut off all trade with Spain, we don't want anything to do with Spain." pic.twitter.com/Zjm1zXflfu

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) March 3, 2026

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Trump was acting so ineptly I quickly turned off the broadcast.

Wish we could somehow bypass Vance and put Rubio in charge.

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Thanks To Democrats, Potential Iranian Terrorists Are Already On American Soil

https://thefederalist.com/2026/03/03/thanks-to-democrats-potential-iranian-terrorists-are-already-on-american-soil/

Bonus: this was written by a Baylor alumna.

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Democrats are praying for activation of sleeper cells they let in. They would love to have an event their media allies can blame on Trump. Innocent victims are ok if it advances their political agenda. That is one consistency they have shown.

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Sadly...this is also true.

Biden lets in millions of unvetted illegals.....Dems hamper ICE from finding them.....but will still blame Trump when our citizens are killed.

might want to check the facts of why Obama delivered the money before blaming him for this mess.
Trump bumbled from the outset. YES..1) Early in the first strike, a school was bombed, bombing a school for young girls, can not blame it on the fog of war. MURDERED more than 100 young children,
2) 3 F15 Eagles shot downon day 2.. by friendly fire..what the hell? If air assets and flights are not cleared, then we have friendly fire dropping $150 M of airplanes.

3)/Citizens of the USA trapped in the Middle East, told to catch a flight out, oh wait, airlines ALWAYS ALWAYS 1st to shut down. Just now today, trying to assemble military or civilian assets to remove US and other allied citizens. This should have been planned, staged etc before jumping into a war

4) Why have we not captured and held weapon-grade uranium?
5) Not 1 Cabinet member or POTUS can explain the mission succinctly and in agreement, good gosh, do we have a plan, or just deflect with Epstein War

6) Maybe I'm just a bit too soft, but the flippant and well thats war attitude and words of both Hedgehog and trump are typical of their don't care about body bags

7) AND Trump's own intelligence assets said 10 years to nuclear weapons ( Wikoff said a week..) and 8 to 10 years for long-range ballistic missiles. Should we know? Hell yes!
8. There was a nuclear agreement by multiple nations, allies, and Trump tore it up ( why…. Well, he is mentally obsessed that a Black President is rated better, loved more, and respected higher than him), and we would have had international backing vs a near go it alone situation
9 What's the plan for democracy to take hold after 47 years of oppression, propaganda, and lies.
Yes, the war is bumbled.

NEW: The CIA has been working to arm Kurdish forces with the aim of fomenting a popular uprising in Iran, multiple people familiar with the plan told CNN.

Iranian Kurdish opposition forces are expected to take part in a ground operation in Western Iran in the coming days and…

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) March 3, 2026

I wonder why he is “more fearful than ever” pic.twitter.com/HH73AhbueH

— Josh (@JoshKilar) March 3, 2026

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might want to check the facts of why Obama delivered the money before blaming him for this mess.
Trump bumbled from the outset. YES..1) Early in the first strike, a school was bombed, bombing a school for young girls, can not blame it on the fog of war. MURDERED more than 100 young children,
2) 3 F15 Eagles shot downon day 2.. by friendly fire..what the hell? If air assets and flights are not cleared, then we have friendly fire dropping $150 M of airplanes.

3)/Citizens of the USA trapped in the Middle East, told to catch a flight out, oh wait, airlines ALWAYS ALWAYS 1st to shut down. Just now today, trying to assemble military or civilian assets to remove US and other allied citizens. This should have been planned, staged etc before jumping into a war

4) Why have we not captured and held weapon-grade uranium?
5) Not 1 Cabinet member or POTUS can explain the mission succinctly and in agreement, good gosh, do we have a plan, or just deflect with Epstein War

6) Maybe I'm just a bit too soft, but the flippant and well thats war attitude and words of both Hedgehog and trump are typical of their don't care about body bags

7) AND Trump's own intelligence assets said 10 years to nuclear weapons ( Wikoff said a week..) and 8 to 10 years for long-range ballistic missiles. Should we know? Hell yes!
8. There was a nuclear agreement by multiple nations, allies, and Trump tore it up ( why…. Well, he is mentally obsessed that a Black President is rated better, loved more, and respected higher than him), and we would have had international backing vs a near go it alone situation
9 What's the plan for democracy to take hold after 47 years of oppression, propaganda, and lies.
Yes, the war is bumbled.

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Wow. Half-truth and falsehood abounds.

Objectives have been laid out and discussed on this board by those actually paying attention.

1) Take out Iranian leadership unwilling to seriously negotiate abandoning nuclear and ballistic missile development.

2) Knock out the Iranian navy, Air Force, and missile sites to degrade its military capabilities.

3) Find a leadership group in Iran that will seriously negotiate abandoning nuclear ambitions and ballistic missiles.

4) Raise the strength of the hits on Iran as long as they try to widen the war and fail to talk terms.


Unspoken strategic goals

1) Cut off Iranian drone sales to Russia
2) Demean China's oil sources to lessen their ability to go on military ventures in the western Pacific, and put pressure on their economy.


Also:
It has been discussed that Iran claimed in talks that they had fissionable material.

Friendly fire in a war is part of it. Name one war that hasn't had it. A fight is chaotic. War even more so. Training keeps friendly fire from being an every hour event.

Your number 4 question is very Kamala-esque. Actually worse. There have been no boots on the ground in Iran to capture material. The idea has been to destroy it. Make it inaccessible in an underground collapse.

It has been discussed for years since the ink was dry on the 2015 agreement how Iron sidestepped it.

Iran will need to find its government leaders. The administration has already stated we will not be nation building this time. Iran will likely not have a democracy like ours. If they get one, it will be one that they think works for them. The clipping of Iran's leadership gives the Iranians the chance to throw off the theocracy and find another way. Without nuclear and missile ambitions.

American citizens will get out of the Middle East if they want to leave. Those in Iran were given lots of warning beforehand. Those in Israel were warned last week to not wait. Like in a hurricane, there will always be those who stay behind.
In the other Arab countries wantonly attacked by Iran, they are being taken care of (unlike Afghanistan.)

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China demands immediate reopening of Hormuz Strait as 50% of its oil import faces collapse

This move signals a direct effort by Beijing to leverage its position as the Islamic Republic's primary economic partner.

Following the launch of the U.S.-Israeli operations Lion's Roar and Epic Fury which resulted in the death of Ayatollah Khamenei and senior IRGC leadership shipping through the energy hub has been paralyzed.

Stability in the Hormuz Strait is a matter of national survival for Beijing. In December alone, nearly half of China's crude oil imports passed through this narrow chokepoint. Foreign Ministry spokesperson Mao Ning said that China "strongly urges all parties to immediately cease military actions, avoid escalating tensions, and ensure the safety of navigation."

Beyond public statements, Beijing is reportedly exerting significant "behind-the-scenes" pressure on Tehran:

Sources from Chinese state-owned enterprises indicate that officials are pressuring their Iranian counterparts to ensure that oil and Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) tankers are not targeted by retaliatory strikes.

Beijing is particularly concerned about Qatari gas, which accounts for 30% of China's LNG supply. Any disruption to these shipments or strikes on Qatari export hubs will cause an immediate energy crisis in China.
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Chinese society might currently be ruled by atheist communists, but they still follow a secular version of the Mandate of Heaven.

In China, the government is considered legitimate if it ensures stability and economic prosperity. If it cannot do so, then the Chinese public suddenly becomes much less tolerant of the CCPs authoritarian tendencies.

The way to hit China where it hurts is to put economic pressure on the population. Keep them too busy suppressing dissent in a country of 1 billion+ people to worry about about invading Taiwan.

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That has already happened apparently: Iran provided 55% of their oil.

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It's the strongest body blow to China that we can theoretically land at this point. Unfortunately, China generates vastly more energy than we do, so it won't matter as much as we hope. It will mostly just encourage the CCP to switch to producing electric vehicles at an even faster rate than they currently are.

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It matters when you consider just what that oil was used to power.

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China demands immediate reopening of Hormuz Strait as 50% of its oil import faces collapse

This move signals a direct effort by Beijing to leverage its position as the Islamic Republic's primary economic partner.

Following the launch of the U.S.-Israeli operations Lion's Roar and Epic Fury which resulted in the death of Ayatollah Khamenei and senior IRGC leadership shipping through the energy hub has been paralyzed.

Stability in the Hormuz Strait is a matter of national survival for Beijing. In December alone, nearly half of China's crude oil imports passed through this narrow chokepoint. Foreign Ministry spokesperson Mao Ning said that China "strongly urges all parties to immediately cease military actions, avoid escalating tensions, and ensure the safety of navigation."

Beyond public statements, Beijing is reportedly exerting significant "behind-the-scenes" pressure on Tehran:

Sources from Chinese state-owned enterprises indicate that officials are pressuring their Iranian counterparts to ensure that oil and Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) tankers are not targeted by retaliatory strikes.

Beijing is particularly concerned about Qatari gas, which accounts for 30% of China's LNG supply. Any disruption to these shipments or strikes on Qatari export hubs will cause an immediate energy crisis in China.
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Chinese society might currently be ruled by atheist communists, but they still follow a secular version of the Mandate of Heaven.

In China, the government is considered legitimate if it ensures stability and economic prosperity. If it cannot do so, then the Chinese public suddenly becomes much less tolerant of the CCPs authoritarian tendencies.

The way to hit China where it hurts is to put economic pressure on the population. Keep them too busy suppressing dissent in a country of 1 billion+ people to worry about about invading Taiwan.

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That has already happened apparently: Iran provided 55% of their oil.

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It's the strongest body blow to China that we can theoretically land at this point. Unfortunately, China generates vastly more energy than we do, so it won't matter as much as we hope. It will mostly just encourage the CCP to switch to producing electric vehicles at an even faster rate than they currently are.

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no, the biggest body blow to China is that our navy is going to escort ships through the straight. They are now 100% dependent on our military to make their economy work in any capacity (that's already the case, but our literal escorting of their oil makes it public display).

That is utterly humiliating to China. They need our navy to escort their oil through the straight because their missile defense system sucked (of course) and they have to buy that oil with forceFED treasury exchanges. They can't feed their people without us.

China has enough of a navy to escort their own tankers through the straits.

And Iran is unlikely to attack the tankers of their best customer in any case.

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China has enough of a navy to escort their own tankers through the straits.

And Iran is unlikely to attack the tankers of their best customer in any case.

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What ships does China have already in the region? And how many of them have experience traversing the Gulf?

And Iran does nor have anything like Command & Control just now. They are shooting at any possible target, as evidenced by the last two days.

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KaiBear said:

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China has enough of a navy to escort their own tankers through the straits.

And Iran is unlikely to attack the tankers of their best customer in any case.

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What ships does China have already in the region? And how many of them have experience traversing the Gulf?

And Iran does nor have anything like Command & Control just now. They are shooting at any possible target, as evidenced by the last two days.

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China can not afford to look weak throughout the rest of the world.

They are going to take action.


To what extent…no one knows…..yet

KaiBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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China has enough of a navy to escort their own tankers through the straits.

And Iran is unlikely to attack the tankers of their best customer in any case.

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What ships does China have already in the region? And how many of them have experience traversing the Gulf?

And Iran does nor have anything like Command & Control just now. They are shooting at any possible target, as evidenced by the last two days.

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China can not afford to look weak throughout the rest of the world.

They are going to take action.


To what extent…no one knows…..yet

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Most likely China will feign indifference publicly.

Their efforts will be made in trade.