President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

With respect...I disagree.

There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines risking their precious ass and the glorified paper pushers in the rear. In a perfect world only those who have seen the burning corpses should be pushing for war.

The horrors of sudden death are too easily sanitized by the time the casket arrives at Dover Air Force Base.

Bush was the last president to see combat. That is very unfortunate.


You might not end up in combat and you may never suffer anything greater than a paper cut, but when you sign up, you are (potentially) putting yourself in harms way, whether it be a terrorist attack on a military base or an unforeseen military disaster that puts you in a combat role.

Understand your perspective.

But if one has not experienced the horror......one is more likely to be thrilled playing Rambo.

And senator Graham is a classic example.

My growing concern is that TRUMP has now caught the Rambo bug.




One need not serve, or serve in a forward military position to see and/or experience the horrors of war.


Please elaborate.
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Great time for them to figure that out.
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FLBear5630 said:

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As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

With respect...I disagree.

There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines risking their precious ass and the glorified paper pushers in the rear. In a perfect world only those who have seen the burning corpses should be pushing for war.

The horrors of sudden death are too easily sanitized by the time the casket arrives at Dover Air Force Base.

Bush was the last president to see combat. That is very unfortunate.


You might not end up in combat and you may never suffer anything greater than a paper cut, but when you sign up, you are (potentially) putting yourself in harms way, whether it be a terrorist attack on a military base or an unforeseen military disaster that puts you in a combat role.

Understand your perspective.

But if one has not experienced the horror......one is more likely to be thrilled playing Rambo.

And senator Graham is a classic example.

My growing concern is that TRUMP has now caught the Rambo bug.




One need not serve, or serve in a forward military position to see and/or experience the horrors of war.


True. Anyone who saw Highway 80 or the oil fires wouldn't wish war on anyone.
I know people who worked for Doctors Without Borders (early days) who've seen more war horrors than 99% of the military forces in the world.
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ATL Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

ATL Bear said:

KaiBear said:

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muddybrazos said:

FLBear5630 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

muddybrazos said:



As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

With respect...I disagree.

There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines risking their precious ass and the glorified paper pushers in the rear. In a perfect world only those who have seen the burning corpses should be pushing for war.

The horrors of sudden death are too easily sanitized by the time the casket arrives at Dover Air Force Base.

Bush was the last president to see combat. That is very unfortunate.


You might not end up in combat and you may never suffer anything greater than a paper cut, but when you sign up, you are (potentially) putting yourself in harms way, whether it be a terrorist attack on a military base or an unforeseen military disaster that puts you in a combat role.

Understand your perspective.

But if one has not experienced the horror......one is more likely to be thrilled playing Rambo.

And senator Graham is a classic example.

My growing concern is that TRUMP has now caught the Rambo bug.




One need not serve, or serve in a forward military position to see and/or experience the horrors of war.


True. Anyone who saw Highway 80 or the oil fires wouldn't wish war on anyone.
I know people who worked for Doctors Without Borders (early days) who've seen more war horrors than 99% of the military forces in the world.


Good point, those people are living saints.
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FLBear5630 said:

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As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

With respect...I disagree.

There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines risking their precious ass and the glorified paper pushers in the rear. In a perfect world only those who have seen the burning corpses should be pushing for war.

The horrors of sudden death are too easily sanitized by the time the casket arrives at Dover Air Force Base.

Bush was the last president to see combat. That is very unfortunate.


You might not end up in combat and you may never suffer anything greater than a paper cut, but when you sign up, you are (potentially) putting yourself in harms way, whether it be a terrorist attack on a military base or an unforeseen military disaster that puts you in a combat role.

Understand your perspective.

But if one has not experienced the horror......one is more likely to be thrilled playing Rambo.

And senator Graham is a classic example.

My growing concern is that TRUMP has now caught the Rambo bug.





One need not serve, or serve in a forward military position to see and/or experience the horrors of war.


True. Anyone who saw Highway 80 or the oil fires wouldn't wish war on anyone.

I know people who worked for Doctors Without Borders (early days) who've seen more war horrors than 99% of the military forces in the world.


Good point, those people are living saints.

Until the IDF catches up with them.
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KaiBear said:

ATL Bear said:

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muddybrazos said:

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As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

With respect...I disagree.

There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines risking their precious ass and the glorified paper pushers in the rear. In a perfect world only those who have seen the burning corpses should be pushing for war.

The horrors of sudden death are too easily sanitized by the time the casket arrives at Dover Air Force Base.

Bush was the last president to see combat. That is very unfortunate.


You might not end up in combat and you may never suffer anything greater than a paper cut, but when you sign up, you are (potentially) putting yourself in harms way, whether it be a terrorist attack on a military base or an unforeseen military disaster that puts you in a combat role.

Understand your perspective.

But if one has not experienced the horror......one is more likely to be thrilled playing Rambo.

And senator Graham is a classic example.

My growing concern is that TRUMP has now caught the Rambo bug.




One need not serve, or serve in a forward military position to see and/or experience the horrors of war.


Please elaborate.
See post above.
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Sam Lowry said:

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As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

With respect...I disagree.

There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines risking their precious ass and the glorified paper pushers in the rear. In a perfect world only those who have seen the burning corpses should be pushing for war.

The horrors of sudden death are too easily sanitized by the time the casket arrives at Dover Air Force Base.

Bush was the last president to see combat. That is very unfortunate.


You might not end up in combat and you may never suffer anything greater than a paper cut, but when you sign up, you are (potentially) putting yourself in harms way, whether it be a terrorist attack on a military base or an unforeseen military disaster that puts you in a combat role.

Understand your perspective.

But if one has not experienced the horror......one is more likely to be thrilled playing Rambo.

And senator Graham is a classic example.

My growing concern is that TRUMP has now caught the Rambo bug.





One need not serve, or serve in a forward military position to see and/or experience the horrors of war.


True. Anyone who saw Highway 80 or the oil fires wouldn't wish war on anyone.

I know people who worked for Doctors Without Borders (early days) who've seen more war horrors than 99% of the military forces in the world.


Good point, those people are living saints.

Until the IDF catches up with them.
Unfortunately they've became as much a political org as a humanitarian one over the last decade.
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ATL Bear said:

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As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

With respect...I disagree.

There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines risking their precious ass and the glorified paper pushers in the rear. In a perfect world only those who have seen the burning corpses should be pushing for war.

The horrors of sudden death are too easily sanitized by the time the casket arrives at Dover Air Force Base.

Bush was the last president to see combat. That is very unfortunate.


You might not end up in combat and you may never suffer anything greater than a paper cut, but when you sign up, you are (potentially) putting yourself in harms way, whether it be a terrorist attack on a military base or an unforeseen military disaster that puts you in a combat role.

Understand your perspective.

But if one has not experienced the horror......one is more likely to be thrilled playing Rambo.

And senator Graham is a classic example.

My growing concern is that TRUMP has now caught the Rambo bug.




One need not serve, or serve in a forward military position to see and/or experience the horrors of war.


In most cases, I'd rather see the Rambo bug than the Petain bug.
In all cases, I'd rather see our leaders do their best to keep us ahead of the other strong nations in strategic position - the peace through strength mindset.
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If they play that game they will not end up with regime change…they will end up with map change

Geographic erasure of the entity previously known as Iran. (or at the least some big geographic reduction)

Gulf Arab states, Israel, nuclear armed France, USA, and everyone else would be coming down on them at once. (China in desperate need of cheap energy would sit back and do nothing to help them)

Ask old Prussia how it works out going hog wild against multiple well armed and economically powerful opponents all at once…Iraq, Azerbaijan, and Turkmenistan might be getting bigger soon. A independent Kurdistan might be getting established on the former territory of the country once known as Iran


Map change would require boots on the ground or a nuclear strike... either one might actually cause a civil war in America.

Dropping bombs wont get it done before the midterms, where the Republicans will get crushed.

Right now the only country getting bigger is Greater Israel... which will end up being a bigger threat to Americans than Iran ever was
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Reeks of desperation


Like people who only show up here when they think they have something on the "other tribe.

It is way too soon for any proclamations one way or another. However, it is clear that Iran has chosen quite the plan to survive the conflict as they attack their neighbors. They have shown their hand, and no matter which party you cheer for, this is a war that must be won now. Peace through strength only works if strength prevails. Negotiations with the present regime are garbage. They won't mean anything but postponed bigger trouble.
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The_barBEARian said:

Redbrickbear said:

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If they play that game they will not end up with regime change…they will end up with map change

Geographic erasure of the entity previously known as Iran. (or at the least some big geographic reduction)

Gulf Arab states, Israel, nuclear armed France, USA, and everyone else would be coming down on them at once. (China in desperate need of cheap energy would sit back and do nothing to help them)

Ask old Prussia how it works out going hog wild against multiple well armed and economically powerful opponents all at once…Iraq, Azerbaijan, and Turkmenistan might be getting bigger soon. A independent Kurdistan might be getting established on the former territory of the country once known as Iran


Map change would require boots on the ground or a nuclear strike...


If Iran keeps trying to choke off the worlds energy supply they just might get that…
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As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

With respect...I disagree.

There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines risking their precious ass and the glorified paper pushers in the rear. In a perfect world only those who have seen the burning corpses should be pushing for war.

The horrors of sudden death are too easily sanitized by the time the casket arrives at Dover Air Force Base.

Bush was the last president to see combat. That is very unfortunate.


You might not end up in combat and you may never suffer anything greater than a paper cut, but when you sign up, you are (potentially) putting yourself in harms way, whether it be a terrorist attack on a military base or an unforeseen military disaster that puts you in a combat role.

Understand your perspective.

But if one has not experienced the horror......one is more likely to be thrilled playing Rambo.

And senator Graham is a classic example.

My growing concern is that TRUMP has now caught the Rambo bug.




One need not serve, or serve in a forward military position to see and/or experience the horrors of war.


In most cases, I'd rather see the Rambo bug than the Petain bug.
In all cases, I'd rather see our leaders do their best to keep us ahead of the other strong nations in strategic position - the peace through strength mindset.
I concur.
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Am I the only one who believes the death toll is significantly higher than 6? (Or 8)

In basing this on all our assets in the region that has been hit. ( Bahrain/Qatar/Saudi)
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Am I the only one who believes the death toll is significantly higher than 6? (Or 8)

In basing this on all our assets in the region that has been hit. ( Bahrain/Qatar/Saudi)


No you aren't.

We've gone from Baghdad Bob to Princeton Pete.

The KIA number was stuck on 6 for a long time. They finally bumped it to 8.

They finally admitted to 140 casualties.

In modern wars, the typical ratio of wounded to killed in action (KIA) can vary, but it is often around 3-to-1 or higher, with some reports indicating ratios as high as 5-to-1. So based on historical data, the actual KIA number should be somewhere between 27 and 44.

Now whether they are going to slow roll the real numbers or try to pull a Pat Tillman, it's hard to say. I'm sure the families have to sign NDAs to get any benefits.
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As a citizen of the Lowcountry here in SC I have a message for Lady G. You can jump your queer ass off the Ravenel bridge. Its really easy for a childless homesexual to volunteer others kids to die for your continued paychecks.

This dude Graham is insane.

He is the definition of a punk ass.

Volunteer your own ass into harm's way Lindsay.


I agree he is dangerous. He did put his ass in harms way for 33 years. So as crazy as he is, that is one area he walked the walk.

He was JAG and was stationed in Germany. Was he in harms way in a court in peace time Germany? Gimme a f'n break. He also is on record admitting he never deployed. In 1998, the Capitol Hill daily newspaper The Hill contended that Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. Graham responded: "I have not told anybody I'm a combatant. I'm not a war hero, and never said I was. ... If I have lied about my military record, I'm not fit to serve in Congress", further noting that he "never deployed".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-20][20][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham#cite_note-21][21][/url]


To be fair, anyone who signs up for our military is putting him or herself in harms way. Still, that doesn't mean that he has any higher credibility than anyone else speaking on issues of war.

With respect...I disagree.

There is a huge difference between the guys on the front lines risking their precious ass and the glorified paper pushers in the rear. In a perfect world only those who have seen the burning corpses should be pushing for war.

The horrors of sudden death are too easily sanitized by the time the casket arrives at Dover Air Force Base.

Bush was the last president to see combat. That is very unfortunate.


You might not end up in combat and you may never suffer anything greater than a paper cut, but when you sign up, you are (potentially) putting yourself in harms way, whether it be a terrorist attack on a military base or an unforeseen military disaster that puts you in a combat role.

Understand your perspective.

But if one has not experienced the horror......one is more likely to be thrilled playing Rambo.

And senator Graham is a classic example.

My growing concern is that TRUMP has now caught the Rambo bug.




One need not serve, or serve in a forward military position to see and/or experience the horrors of war.


In most cases, I'd rather see the Rambo bug than the Petain bug.
In all cases, I'd rather see our leaders do their best to keep us ahead of the other strong nations in strategic position - the peace through strength mindset.


How has Trump been a peace President? Domestically and Foreign? Curious how you get peace through strength AND bombing?

I would not call Trump 2 a peace President.
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Realitybites said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Am I the only one who believes the death toll is significantly higher than 6? (Or 8)

In basing this on all our assets in the region that has been hit. ( Bahrain/Qatar/Saudi)


No you aren't.

We've gone from Baghdad Bob to Princeton Pete.

The KIA number was stuck on 6 for a long time. They finally bumped it to 8.

They finally admitted to 140 casualties.

In modern wars, the typical ratio of wounded to killed in action (KIA) can vary, but it is often around 3-to-1 or higher, with some reports indicating ratios as high as 5-to-1. So based on historical data, the actual KIA number should be somewhere between 27 and 44.

Now whether they are going to slow roll the real numbers or try to pull a Pat Tillman, it's hard to say. I'm sure the families have to sign NDAs to get any benefits.


Go to to the casualty site on DoD. keep in mind as wars modernize the line between hostile and non-hostile is blurring. IEDs are hostile, but may be in rear areas. Definitions are blurring.

Missile attacks, drones, and terror are in rear/support areas. It is not Afghanistan, where death/casualties are more front line. Many merchant seamen are at more risk than combat troops. ADA is in high danger areas in rear areas.
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Our casualties have been remarkably low considering the hundreds of drone and missile attacks on our forces.

As our men tire and equipment wears out….the chances for fatal accidents increases.



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Mitch Blood Green said:

Am I the only one who believes the death toll is significantly higher than 6? (Or 8)

In basing this on all our assets in the region that has been hit. ( Bahrain/Qatar/Saudi)
America is the only place where that story would fly. We're the most propagandized people in the world.
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Thursday AM Update:

  • Shipping turmoil escalates as multiple vessels (at least six) struck overnight
  • Brent crude oil prices top $100 amid "the largest supply disruption in the history of the global oil market," the IEA reports.
  • Energy Secretary Chris Wright says the US Navy is not yet ready to escort tankers through the Strait of Hormuz, as military assets remain focused on degrading Iran's offensive capabilities.


  • Dubai suffers significant drone attacks
  • Northern Israel hammered by Hezbollah, "largest wave" of missiles since war began
  • IDF says it struck key Iranian nuclear development site
  • US Intel assesses Iranian regime remains intact
  • Oman port operations halted
  • Trump proclaims "we won"
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Am I the only one who believes the death toll is significantly higher than 6? (Or 8)

In basing this on all our assets in the region that has been hit. ( Bahrain/Qatar/Saudi)

Death toll? Yeah, we are talking 11 days. To put in perspective, this is data from Inherent Resolve (ISIS). It is really not apples to apples, but this is not Iraq or Afghanistan where you have troops on the ground. Not saying good or bad, just giving perspective.


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That wounded to KIA ratio is right about where it should be.

Compared to the 17:1 ratio the DOD is asking us to believe.

But look. The government lied about JFK. They lied about Epstein. They lied about Covid. This is a white lie in comparison.
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Realitybites said:

That wounded to KIA ratio is right about where it should be.

Compared to the 17:1 ratio the DOD is asking us to believe.

But look. The government lied about JFK. They lied about Epstein. They lied about Covid. This is a white lie in comparison.

I don't think the deaths are the thing to look at. Look at the wounded, how many are being sent to Germany?
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FLBear5630 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Am I the only one who believes the death toll is significantly higher than 6? (Or 8)

In basing this on all our assets in the region that has been hit. ( Bahrain/Qatar/Saudi)


Death toll? Yeah, we are talking 11 days. To put in perspective, this is data from Inherent Resolve (ISIS). It is really not apples to apples, but this is not Iraq or Afghanistan where you have troops on the ground. Not saying good or bad, just giving perspective.





I hope for zero deaths. I'm just saying I don't believe what we're being told.
 
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